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GPS for idiots - what app works "out of the box" ?

Hi
Having tried TomTom 7, Copilot and the "try before buy" Navigon; I found all to be wanting in some way. I have not tried: Garmin XT is fixed to a SD card - I don't want to swop cards; IGO 8 looks good but seems to require lots of fixes.
Is there a GPS application (not google or similar online app) that just works from the box or cab ?
I like the google app but I don't like the high data rates which could get expensive when I'm roaming.
I just want a GPS app that has its own maps on my SD card (16 gbyte card so loads of space available). Does this really exist ?
When I check the official GPS provider sites (e.g., TomTom and Copilot) then they say their product is not compatible with the HTC HD - I guess that explains all the various hoops people have to jump through to get an app working.
I suspect I have to wait until spring next year for the app companies to provide a working HD compatible version ? Or, does anyone know better ??
Thanks & holiday greetings to all, Dave.

You can't compare Google Maps with a navigation solution like TomTom, IGo or Navigon. Google Maps is just showing the area around your current position, whereas the other programs can navigate you through the country.
As far as I know TomTom works just without any work, all others need to be configurated. How to do that is mentioned in the various threads here, so it shouldn't be a problem at all.

johnpatcher said:
the other programs can navigate you through the country.
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Come again? I've been using Google Maps for over a year to navigate me around Brisbane. (No that's not the country but I'm sure it's capable of that.)

Well I can use google to navigate as it has a "show directions" option. I know it is not as sophisticated as the other GPS apps.
My problem with google is it needs a data link which gets expensive when I'm out of my home country (hence need often a GPS) because I have to make a gprs link to have google working.
TomTom does not work on the HD - Version 6 fails to work. Version 7 works fine but there seems to be no way to legally load maps except the single trial map of one city.
Thanks anyway for answering.

bugmeyes said:
Come again? I've been using Google Maps for over a year to navigate me around Brisbane. (No that's not the country but I'm sure it's capable of that.)
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I never heard Google Maps talking to me something like "in 400 metres turn left". Maybe I missed something .
Cheesy Dave said:
TomTom does not work on the HD - Version 6 fails to work. Version 7 works fine but there seems to be no way to legally load maps except the single trial map of one city.
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Then you will have to try get IGo8 or Navigon working.

Here is a new app - anyone use this successfully on the HD ?
http://directions.ltd.uk/pda-navigation/pocket-navigator-8-europe

Does CoPilot work on the HD?
I've got Version 6 currently on my XDA Orbit & was thinking of upgrading

Garmin Mobile XT works great on my HD

Cheesy Dave / Gulioth - I have used CoPliot v7 from day 1 on my Touch HD without any problems. Transferring it from my Touch Cruise took 5 minutes over the air, deactivating and reactivating (something you cannot do with TTN6).
It looks really good on the HD screen and is very easy to navigate through the menus (no pun intended). I am currently using v7.7.0.134 and ALK are bringing an even friendlier version out for the Touch HD shortly. I have used this, TTN6, TTN7 and Telmap Navigator in the recent past and various others going back to routeplanner on a Psion series 5.
Whichever gps software you use, it will always be "short" in some way or other. As far as the HTC Touch is concerned, CoPliot is by far the easeist overall to install, register and use with a touch screen & the maps are fairly up to date. I can also import my own POIs and safety cameras from TTN.

I also gave Garmin XT a try.
One problem though, up until now, i am feeling that there is Lag or the cpu is not following up too fast to show changes, so if i am making a turn in a roundabout, you can see a strange thing happen on the screen.

davast said:
Cheesy Dave / Gulioth - I have used CoPliot v7 from day 1 on my Touch HD without any problems. Transferring it from my Touch Cruise took 5 minutes over the air, deactivating and reactivating (something you cannot do with TTN6).
It looks really good on the HD screen and is very easy to navigate through the menus (no pun intended). I am currently using v7.7.0.134 and ALK are bringing an even friendlier version out for the Touch HD shortly. I have used this, TTN6, TTN7 and Telmap Navigator in the recent past and various others going back to routeplanner on a Psion series 5.
Whichever gps software you use, it will always be "short" in some way or other. As far as the HTC Touch is concerned, CoPliot is by far the easeist overall to install, register and use with a touch screen & the maps are fairly up to date. I can also import my own POIs and safety cameras from TTN.
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Thanks davast. I actually got a copy of CoPilot which was sold to me as CoPilot7 for windows mobile. It turned out to be the specific version for the HTC Diamond.
I think I will wait for the new version and double check this time that the supplier knows what they are doing.
Regards, D.

What's latest CoPilot version? Is it v7? Does anyone know if the next one is imminent?
I own v6 for my XDA Orbit 1 and will probably upgrade rather than purchase new version as think it works out cheaper.
Upgrade = £48.93
Dealer = £59.95

I'm going to try a new one when I get a minute, beta atm but works on my hacked Hermes to wm6.1 and is nice

Gulioth said:
What's latest CoPilot version? Is it v7? Does anyone know if the next one is imminent?
I own v6 for my XDA Orbit 1 and will probably upgrade rather than purchase new version as think it works out cheaper.
Upgrade = £48.93
Dealer = £59.95
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Hi Gulioth, I received version 7 "for the HTC Diamond" which will only load to the internal storage of the Diamond - hence, I returned it as this would not work on the HD.
I don't know the specific current version other than "7". If you have CoPilot Central then you should be able to find it. Unfortunately with the Diamond version there also is no copy of the CoPilot Central.
I have returned the Diamond version and I'm sitting waiting for someone (PLEASE !!) to make a legally correct version work.
If you check here: http://www.alk.eu.com/copilot/compatibility.asp you can see that ALK says the HD is not yet compatible.

I've been using OCN8 (on course navigation) on my HD for a month. It's beautiful and has TTS for enhanced street naming in turn-by-turn directilns. The only problem, out of the box, is it only runs in portrait mode, but it does it beautifully in all the HD high res glory.
There's a thread in the Blackstone section with workarounds for running landscape.

Thanks - that's a new one to me - I will investigate "on course navigation"
Ciao, Dave

Route 66 Version 7 works sweeet for me

audscott said:
I've been using OCN8 (on course navigation) on my HD for a month. It's beautiful and has TTS for enhanced street naming in turn-by-turn directilns. The only problem, out of the box, is it only runs in portrait mode, but it does it beautifully in all the HD high res glory.
There's a thread in the Blackstone section with workarounds for running landscape.
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Hmmm - this seems to be only USA & Canada according to their site:
Map Coverage USA and Canada.
The latest maps and up-to-date points of interest for United States. Full road coverage with over 10 443 000 kilometers of updated roads, and over 12.3 millions points of interest. Includes maps of Hawaii, Alaska and Puerto Rico.
http://www.oncoursenavigator.com/ocn8_intro.aspx
I did not specify in my original question that I'm based in Europe.
I'm looking for a legally correct GPS application that works "out-of-the box" or direct from the cab without having to tweak xml files or anything else and which is recognised by the software provider as compatible and acceptable. TomTom and CoPilot do not yet list the HD as a compatible device. I also don't want a software that is linked to one micro SD card (like Garmin XT).
I believe that CoPilot will be the right choice when it is HD compatible. I like also TomTom but it seems so difficult to make it work - there are many threads here about the tricks needed to make maps work. I do have TomTom running but only with the sample map. Trying to get TomTom home to accept the HD and legally download new Maps does not seem legally correct now - maybe next year ...

Lol-x said:
Route 66 Version 7 works sweeet for me
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Thanks - that looks good (reading the site now) - it seems to be on Version 8 now.

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Thanks - that looks good (reading the site now) - it seems to be on Version 8 now.
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WOW - this seems to be a first, a GPS app that claims the HTC HD is compatible:
http://www.66.com/route66/index.php?cid=UK&act=1&prodid=5723

iGo8 and Imagio

Morning all,
First I would like to wish everyone in the states a very happy turkey holiday. Hopefully yours was as excellent as mine was.
Now onto the real business. I have an Imagio that for the most part I love. While I cannot wait for the SPL and to be able to build custom ROMs I am waiting patiently.
I am trying to run iGo8 on the Imagio and have not found any definitive way of doing it. I have cobbled together some details that work, but are not very stable. Here is what I have currently:
1) iGo8.3.2 97313
2) TTS Susan
3) Dimka HD skin
I searched this section and found a thread on how to get iGo8 to run in landscape 800x480 mode. While this was helpful for the default iGo skin it blows up when trying to use the Dimka HD skin. Second TTS does not work at all, whether I have TF3D running or not. I get no soothing Susan!
I was wondering how people are doing with iGo8 and how do you have it running.
Thanks,
Steve

running 8.3.4 with default skin which I love at the native resolution and it runs perfectly!

Best 3d gps software out there.

I'm running 8.3.4.10280 installed on my SD card, can't get TTS to work but otherwise runs great in landscape or portrait. I'm using "Dave" for regular voice but no matter what I try I can't get TTS to work.
Interestingly this version can read the "geocoded" contacts addresses that prior versions can generate from your WM contacts but it can't generate the file itself so....
If you want to get your contacts to display on the map as POI, you need a different version. I currently have another version (8.3.2.97313) installed in main memory and when I add a contact I'll run this version that will generate the needed file and it adds it to the contacts on the card. This was the only feature that I thought TomTom had over the iGo but now that I got it working iGo tops TomTom in eye candy and utility (IMHO).
Please don't ask where to get the files, they're out there on the interwebs, seek and ye shall find....

IGO8 and TTS has nothing to do with memory

A bit strange problem/issue. Most people saying TTS doesn't work on IGO8 due to lack of memory but I really don't think that's the main problem. Long story short, here are what I found out yesterday:
IGO8 used, 8.3.4.102680
TTS Susan and Dave (mod 1.0) the low quality version.
ROM Used, memory remaining and results
TESS Pride III with about 100mb ram free: Both Susan and Dave doesn't work.
TESS Leo II with about 90mb ram free: Susan doesn't work, Dave works.
I took my old Trinity P3600 out to test and here is the results:
WM6.5 OS 5.2.23017 Build 23017.5.3.0
- Page Pool 4 MB
- ULDR - removed
- compression - XPR
- .NETCompactFramework 3.5
with about 23mb ram free, both susan and dave works perfectly and IGO8 loads much faster than on Topaz.
For the above, nothing was changed, I simply swap the 4gb memory card between the device and start up the igo.exe from the card with fireexplorer.
Can anyone figure out a reason why this happens? OS built version? Page pool?
hope we can find a way and get the IGO8 to work on Topaz because obviously if it can run with only 23mb ram it will run on over 90mb ram.

Since I have never gotten TTS to work on iGo, what exactlly is the difference with the other voices available. Is it just the announcement of street names?

At this point, I really think it's more of ROM dependent. I suggest you try running IGO8 with different ROMs and see if any difference. I've never tried Dutty's rom but since you can't get it to work I guess I shouldn't even bother. I've only used the two TESS rom and one with TTS working, the other one not. In my case, nothing else is changed, just different rom.
As for voices, for what I know, there is one original high quality voice pack from IGO8 R3 and there is another one modded by others to reduce the quality so require less memory to run.

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At this point, I really think it's more of ROM dependent. I suggest you try running IGO8 with different ROMs and see if any difference. I've never tried Dutty's rom but since you can't get it to work I guess I shouldn't even bother. I've only used the two TESS rom and one with TTS working, the other one not. In my case, nothing else is changed, just different rom.
As for voices, for what I know, there is one original high quality voice pack from IGO8 R3 and there is another one modded by others to reduce the quality so require less memory to run.
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Yes, but what does the TTS voice actually do differently than the other voices? Is it just that it reads the street names as they appear? For example, Kate (my fav) will say "take the next left", does the TTS voice say "take the next left onto Main St"?

yes, TTS will tell you the street you will turn onto. this is extremely useful if there are going into multiple split roads.

silvscorp said:
yes, TTS will tell you the street you will turn onto. this is extremely useful if there are going into multiple split roads.
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Ah, thanks for that, I always wondered.
I agree that it must be ROM dependant. My friend got it to work back on his touch, but after that nothing and I have never got it to work.
...and have you asked navngo what the deal is?

I dont know if the problem is HTC Sense.
With htc Sense and HTC Leo Stock Rom 1.48 TTS dont work, if I disable Sense TTS works.
Can you figured it out

I am not quite sure either, with TESS's Pride III (sense 2.1) I couldn't get neither voice to work, with sense disabled or not. with TESS's LeoII, (sense 2.5) regardless the sense is enabled or not, as long as I have more than 47% mem free, I am able to get both susan and dave to work (low quality version TTS, voice file size about 12mb).
But, like I mentioned before, with my Trinity, with only 23mb free, I am even able to get the Susan voice (high quality TTS, voice file size about 32mb). Strangest thing and really don't know what's going on here but I think the Topaz is capable of playing highquality voice and has more than enough ram for it.

Here is a guide on PPC Geeks.
General consensus seems to be to disable Sense first.

igo amigo problem on htc desire

Hi
I just install the igo navigation on my desire, the program seens to work fine but i have the following problem i can get the aplication running on full screen , how i can do that? i can't find any settings on the program for change the resolution.
Regards

Quite simple you can't!
The resolution of the Desire (and the N1, and the droid, etc) isn't supported yet.

I tryed navigon and it works great. you should give it a try.

thx for you fast reply , dit you know when will be suported?

You can try this: download from HERE motonav and install it then rename the igo folder on the sd card to motonav and there you go. full screen igo amigo with a diferent skin.

Wondering if this really works.....
Had motonav installed on my Desire, but because the resolution of the Milestone is different from the Desire, you're missing a few bottom pixels/buttons.
I've already send iGo an e-mail but until now I never received an answer.
I've tried all the different best known navigation software available on Android (Navigon, Motonav, Sygic and now CoPilot) but all have there strength and weaknesses. I really don't have a favorit.
On WM my favorite was iGo or Navigon. Actually I thought I preferred Navigon but it didn't run smooth enough on my Xperia so I sticked with iGo.
But it looks like they somehow leave features out of the navigation on Android.
On android navigon looks great, but it gives an error when navigating to a different country then the one you live in (if someone has an solution please let me know), and I'm missing some information on the screen like how much time and distance left till you reach the destination.
CoPilot looks more for children... Big colorfull icons which sometimes interfere with the interface (eg the speedlimit indicator).
Motonav works great, but couldn't get the speedcameras to work, and it also looks a bit depressive with the purple/brown/grey colors. Also important information was missing, you had to press on the screen first to see that information. Not really safe doing this when you're driving your car.
Sygic sometimes calculates really strange routes. And the newest version 10 didn't work smooth on my desire. During driving it wasn't smooth at all. Even though I had turned of all the online services.... Maybe I had the wrong version. Don't really know.
After all I now stick with CoPilot because it has the most options I want, runs smooth, but for me it far from ideal.
The smoothest runs Navigon.
The best would be a combination between Navigon and iGo/Motonav...
But to come back on topic, if you've tried the solution of R3dD3vil please let me know
Owww I see the version of R3dD3vil is a special 480x800 version..... Hmm that's solves a bit of the problems

@Bart1981,
Do you have the 30 day trial avigo? Because one of the limits is navigation in 1 country only.

Let's say it this way, I had a modified version of the Navigon trial
But that would explain the thing
btw the file posted bij R3dD3vil works. But it's not flawless....
Sometimes some text and numbers are interfering with eachother. And the menueffect are not that fluently as they are in the original motonav file. But it works
I saw this was version 2, so properbly there will come some other finetuned versions....

any news on igo / motonav version that would work flawlessly?
Regards,s

yes, the motonav link from top is working 100%. i have it on my desire, and works flawless! i'm in argentina, and without it i think i have to drive off roads, in the air!!! this is the link

are speedcams working with MotoNav?

Yes , working fine here.

yep, for me too.

have you put them into content/speedcam?

yep,overthere

works great here
wow, that simple!!! Just took my maps,POI etc from another nav I have for my WM phone and it works!
G

iGO on Desire
Hi, I need some help. I installed iGO with skin from MotoNav. but I have a problem with speedcam , not to show my nothing. What files should exist in sdcard/motonav/content/speedcam ? I'm interested in the following countries Norway, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania. I have these files in the folder speedcam:
speedcam.spdb,
SpeedcamUpdates.spud
SpeedCam_EU__14-03-2010_

Is there any application or software that automatically turn on the GPS? I mean I do not have every time before opening the navigation application, first enable the GPS on.

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Is there any application or software that automatically turn on the GPS? I mean I do not have every time before opening the navigation application, first enable the GPS on.
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From what I understand you can leave the GPS on at all times. Android actually powers it on only if needed, so it shouldn't be on whe you are not using the navigation software. You can check this easily since the GPS icon at the top only shows when you open the navigation software.

Speedcam
ady_uaic said:
yep, for me too.
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Can you put at least a picture from your device when showing you at least a speed camera? And I mean not the speed limit signs on the device.

Which Navigation app?

Hello,
Which navigation app works better on Anroid mode in HD2?
Do you know which is best for Greece?

Hello,
I use IGO My way for androïd, you can use this skin for iGO My way™ for Android 800x480_motogis or this one Skin 12Carrera12 Sbertaud13 Androïd V7.0d EUR+ you can find help and tutorial here : mioskins.org ( in french) the other forum is here considered warez so google is your friend...

I am using Sygic Aura, small lags in 3D maps, but its best navigation software on market ...

Hi there. I'm also a keen user of Sygic Aura and I haven't actually noticed any lags. Its really smooth and quite precise. I can recommend it with no doubt.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

big fan of regular Google Maps/Navigation here
edit: just realized you said greece no idea if google map/navigation is good there.

I use google maps and Sygic Aura , works great! not any lag of somekind.

google maps works great!

Personal preference is IGo and Sygic Aura isn't too bad either. But do you really need '3D' - is it not better to have an accurate plane 2d representation of the road ahead?
Still to try Sygic Mobile Maps and NDrive so can't comment on them.
Forget Navigon - untidy UI and routing is simply nonsensical.

I am using IGO8 and it works fine. I have maps for N.America, Costa Rica, Singapore, Philippines, and HK and they all work on my GB 2.3.2.

Navdroyd
I use Navdroyd , but its not really suitable for daily use. (not the best usability, house numbers, sometimes strange rout) but its with the cool & open source Open Streetmap map. But it is beeing constantly improved.
For daily use i think, google navigation is pretty good.
cu

Hi I'm new to the forum. And new to android. I'm having trouble installing any sat navigation on my hd2 running gingerbread. I've tried just about all the recommended apps with no luck. Any thing I should know lol
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I am using IGO8 and it works fine. I have maps for N.America, Costa Rica, Singapore, Philippines, and HK and they all work on my GB 2.3.2.
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hi, does the igo8 you're using has working text to speech?

I dont use it much, so I just went into the settings to have a look. I have no selection for text to speech. Is that an add on or something?