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I got my HTC HD2 yesterday and i now know what love feels like.
My question is what is the latest radio's and roms for o2?
My handset is currently running rom 1.43.206.4 and radio version 2.04.50.22_2
Any advise will be greatly appriciated.

there are no updates for o2 yet.
I can highly recommend hspl2 your phone and install the wwe 1.66 rom.
(read the stickies in the rom development section)

there was supposed to be a new rom coming at the end march but nothing happened. i was told by a customer services guy that there were problems with the rom and it had been delayed.
unfortunately the version you currently have is the latest, for o2 UK any way.
why dont you flash another ROM theyr miles better, plus the o2 stock rom is floating about in the rom dev area so you can reflash if incase you return your phone!

Thanks for the tips guys. I will hspl2 it soon, ive got enough experiance from doing my xperia every other day lol. Which radio version is the best to use?

I've not really noticed much difference across the radios, im on 2.07.50 at the mo, in west yorks, and ive used the 2.08 one too. The only one i noticed a difference with was 2.09 but i use a 576 rom which it doesnt work with, so i only used it for a day.

Thanks. Last question, what is the diffrence between 576 roms etc? This is what has left me scatching my head.

I'd recommend radio 2.09 which I'm on, it's the best so far I've found and I've used all of them on my O2 HD2. I'm based in the Buckinghamshire area and it does me well round here.

jagger2k said:
Thanks. Last question, what is the diffrence between 576 roms etc? This is what has left me scatching my head.
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the leo we all have (not tmous) have 576 meg of ram, but for whatever reason htc decided to hide 128 meg.
the leaked tmous roms a few months ago unlocked that ram, so now, if you flash a rom based on the 2.10 roms and a matching radio you will get 576 meg ram.
to be honest the ram rarely gets fully utilized anyway, don't base your choice of rom on it. (and you can't get it on official roms like the 1.66)

Base 1.72 vs Base 2.10

Sorry I did use the search tool but couldn't find an answer... What are the differences between these as well as advantages/disadvantages of each? With so many ROMs available I'd like to have something more to help me choose.
Thanks

I'd like to know this as well. All these different versions and ROMS using different ones etc is confusing. Also, the HSPL versions.. all confusing!

Base 2.10 has an awful and distorted noise in phone calls and awful bluetooth management not to mention more power consuption, these are the main disatvantages from my point of view.

TonyCubed said:
I'd like to know this as well. All these different versions and ROMS using different ones etc is confusing. Also, the HSPL versions.. all confusing!
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A chef or somebody knowledgeable in cooking could answer this. The only thing I know for sure is that if you have HSPL (for the 1.43 stock roms), you can flash all base 2.10 roms and you can enable the 576 mb ram if you use a 2.07.50 or 2.08.50 radio because this what I got on my device as my signature states. Actually, I also managed to flash 2 1.72 roms, but I found them not to my liking so I stick to the 2.10 ones and I'm happy with them. Just to name a few: Astriaios, Energy, RTT Shock Star RTM, Leo firestorm, LIA Glass series, Ahen L6 series from xda, and from VIETPPC: Hoang An Leo, from PDAVIET: All, because they use only the 2.10 base. Most of these roms exist in 6.5 and 6.5.x so you guys will have the choice.
I stick to HSPL(1) because I think there is more choice in the 2.10 roms than in the 1.66 or 1.72 ones and because I don't want to limitate the choice of roms with HSPL2 for only a certain variety or roms (1.66 OR 1.72).
Hope that will help you guys to make a decision
Big thank to all the Chefs I mentioned above and to the others, you guys make all an awesome job!

vlad48 said:
Base 2.10 has an awful and distorted noise in phone calls and awful bluetooth management not to mention more power consuption, these are the main disatvantages from my point of view.
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The noise distortion and the battery consumption are RADIO related issues (if your radio keeps on searching for a signal, it will drain your battery quickly), not rom except for a well-known program whom shortcut had to be deleted from the Start menu because it was creating battery drain, I think it was Ameba or Swype, but I'm not sure. As for the bluetooth management, it may be issues concerning the Voice commands, but for the data sending/receiving, I never had problems with any of the above mentioned roms, except if the chef uploaded a version with a problem and reuploaded another version later.
Radios 2.06, 2.07 and 2.09 are said not to be power angry.

Miri has just lauched a version of his ROM with both bases over at HTCPedia for us to test.
I've been following this and it seens that, indeed, 1.72 (along with radio 2.09, that is not compatible with 2.XX) is better in terms of battery life and signal.
2.XX with latest WM builds seens to be much faster, on the other side...
Is still partial conclusions...

So is it basically a case of better all around performance in 2.10 and better battery life and signal in 1.72?

Peew971 said:
So is it basically a case of better all around performance in 2.10 and better battery life and signal in 1.72?
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Don't know yet.
It seens that, in some places, radio 2.09, wich is incompatible with 2.10 base, performs much better in terms of battery life and signal.
I've experienced it myself.
Regarding performance, I can't tell you for sure it's base related of WM build related.
At this moment, considering the same ROM with the two bases, like Miris, I would go with base 1.72 with radio 2.09, but that's for my region. Don't know if it applies to everybody.
Just as reference, here's Miri's 2.10 base thread, where people asked for a 1.72 version for testing: http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1786
And here's 1.72 version with some valuable feedback: http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=52190#post52190
I think this is the best case for testing, since it's almost the same ROMs, only with diferent bases and radios (because of compatibility)

forelli said:
I stick to HSPL(1) because I think there is more choice in the 2.10 roms than in the 1.66 or 1.72 ones and because I don't want to limitate the choice of roms with HSPL2 for only a certain variety or roms (1.66 OR 1.72).
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How does HSPL2 limit you? If anything it gives you more choice. With HSPL1 you only get 1.42.hspl and while you can flash any rom with that hspl version, with HSPL2 you can choose between either 1.42.hspl, 1.66.hspl or 2.08.hspl and still flash any rom you want - so you aren't limited to only 1.66 or 1.72 based roms.
The advantages of HSPL2 is that supposedly by matching the hspl version to the rom you get a more stable combo according to Cotulla. Another benefit of HSPL2 is that in order to revert to the original spl version you just choose this from the tool. No need to flash a stock rom via sd card etc.

Stock style ROM with 576 RAM ???

Hi im just looking for a rom which essentially is the same as the latest stock vodafone uk ROM but with the 576 RAM or something as close to possible as stock ROM but with the extra RAM. Does this exist? I have been hunting around but they all seem to be majorly different. Or can anyone make a rom based on the Vodafone ROM but with the the 576RAM unlocked?
Thanks

fillip said:
Hi im just looking for a rom which essentially is the same as the latest stock vodafone uk ROM but with the 576 RAM or something as close to possible as stock ROM but with the extra RAM. Does this exist? I have been hunting around but they all seem to be majorly different. Or can anyone make a rom based on the Vodafone ROM but with the the 576RAM unlocked?
Thanks
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2.10 base: 576MB RAM, US version
1.66/1.72 base: normal RAM, European version
So you have to decide between more RAM or your UK ROM base.

Ok so what would be the main differences if I have the US based 2.01?
I am currently on 1.66. I plan on using SSPL by bepe to do the ROM upgrade which i beleive means i dont need to worry about radios?
I wouldnt mind the US based 2.01 if it performed and looked like a stock HTC ROM. I guess if I used the US ROM I wouldnt have the operator settings for MMS etc?
Thanks

fillip said:
Ok so what would be the main differences if I have the US based 2.01?
I am currently on 1.66. I plan on using SSPL by bepe to do the ROM upgrade which i beleive means i dont need to worry about radios?
I wouldnt mind the US based 2.01 if it performed and looked like a stock HTC ROM. I guess if I used the US ROM I wouldnt have the operator settings for MMS etc?
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Flash CleanEX ROM...it has 576mb of RAM Enabled, and it super fast! flash CleanEX HQ4.01 if you love WM6.5, and HyperROM or DsE ROM if you prefer WM6.5.x

fillip said:
I am currently on 1.66. I plan on using SSPL by bepe to do the ROM upgrade which i beleive means i dont need to worry about radios?
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thats not what it means.
Flashing with sspl means you cant change the radio, because sspl isnt able to flash radios. So, if you choose to flash a rom that opens the 576, you wont get it anyway because you will still have your stock radio.

Why would the stock radio prevent the unlocking of the 576 RAM sorry Im abit of a novice at all this? So is what Im after impossible?
My concern with changing the radio is I wont choose the right one. I was hoping for a simple way of increasing the RAM because as it stands the phone gets bogged down quite easily and it doesnt matter wat tweaks and programs utilities I use the phone runs at 50+% RAM and I have many soft resets during a day. My Touch Pro didnt run anywhere near this high and I use very similar programs now as I did when I had that phone.
cheers

first of all id like to point out the extra ram makes close to no difference
you need a certain rom/radio combination in order for it to be enabled you don't need to know the details.
just download hspl2
go to the rom development thread and pick one you like with the 576mb ram patch enabled
read which radio is compatible with the rom and voila
UPDATE
by the way vodafone have actually released the latest vodafone uk rom 1.72 so you may want to take a look at that before you go through this process

As i said i am new to this but keen to learn, with the reference of it makes no difference using 180mb of 448 = 40% being used compared with 180mb of 576 = 31%, pretty big difference? ----Is the RAM shared with the program memory as I only seem to have 336mb RAM available?
Thanks for the advice on the latest voda update literally only put up the other day I will give it a try I need to hard reset whatever as something is causing a service.exe error when I boot.
I still wouldnt mind having the extra RAM just havent found a ROM out there by anyone else that hasnt been completely changed from the standard HTC style.
Again thanks for help

you only show 336 because the graphics chipset takes 128.(and so when you do unlock the 576 your useful ram will show 448.
you must change the radio because the unlock only works with rom and radio from the tmous range of roms (or cooked roms based on the tmous roms)
if you don't have a tmous phone then you have no worriesabout flashing radios.they will all work on your phone.(only ones with .50. in the version will unlock ram) it won't affect your phones ability to connect to your provider at all.
oh and the extra ram is nice but not at all needed.it's difficult to utilize what there is already.

hmmm well seems like i have the duff radio:
Os version: 5.2.21869 (21869.5.0.82)
Manilla: 2.5.19211619.0
ROM: 1.66.405.2 (76641) WWE
Radio:2.06.51.07
Protocol:15.30.50.07U
If its hard to utilize whats available why does mine run at 50% RAM all the time and open a couple of programs to run in the back ground (e.g. facebook, opera, calculator) it goes to like 70% and then get really slow. My touch pro was never like that
Im not having ago im just frustrated, i thought the HD2 was going to be a massive step up in performance.

adding more ram only speeds things up if you are currently running at 100%
say you have 1gb ram and it runs at 50% used. you add another gig, nothing will change except now it will run at 25% used. it won't run faster.
more ram means doing more, not doing the same thing faster.
why do you say your radio is duff? what doesn't it do that you think it should?
no problem.you SHOULD query everything. its all very well being given the answer, but if you understand it too then so much the better!

ROM, Radio, HSPL ??? what does it all mean ?

Sorry really to be a pain here, but if someone does not mind, can they explain to me ROM, Radio and HSPL? I think i know that ROM is the software running on your phone. but it that version number increased everytime someone make a custom ROM out from an official one?
Radio as far as i know is for wifi, radio, etc. is this correct ? And final we have HSPL, now what do need that for, and for what use it is?
I am ofcourse asking these questions because i started to look at all the nice ROM's out there and not sure if i should stick to what im doing and keep going for the higher numbers. Would be very happy if someone could quickly explain them all properly and then maybe guide me to other links where i can read more...
Thank you in advance...

SPL - Secondary Program Loader - Think of it as the BIOS of your phone. It starts the operating system loading, and when you flash it verifies cid and region locks.
HSPL - Hard Secondary Program Loader - This is the creation of Bepe and Cotulla and Co. and is a hacked version of the official SPL that bypasses the checks when you flash a rom. It requires SPL 1.42.0000 on your phone to use.
This is the only version that works for telstra phones.
HSPL2 - is an upgrade to HSPL that allows witching between most of the available SPL's, and also their HSPL equivalents. (So if you want to install cooked roms, you might choose 2.08.HSPL, whilst if you want to go back to official, you would choose 1.42.0000 in the HSPL2 dropdown)
HSPL1024 - Is HSPL specific to the tmous hd2.
hardware ROM - The Read Only Memory of the phone. Think of it as the hard disk in your device. This is your storage memory.
'the' rom - When we talk about flashing roms, we mean the file that installs the whole operating system on your phone. This file is 'flashed' to the rom storage space, where it installs itself. After it finishes configuring itself, whatever is left is your available storage memory. (usually around 180 meg on a standard hd2)
Official ROMS have version numbers such as 1.66 , 1.72. 2.10.
Version numbers of cooked roms are meaningless. They only apply to that chefs roms. He/She applies versions as they see fit, however you can get a fair bit of info from the ro mthread title.
Example, they will usually tell you the base of the rom, i.e what stock rom was used as a base, 1.66, or 2.10 for example, and also the windows build version, (the 5 digit 21xxx number, i dont know whats what with those, but the higher ones are winmo 6.5.x) and more as you get used to reading them.
radio hardware - The different models have different actual hardware that connects to the mobile network. That is why you cant get 3g on at&t with a T Mo USA hd2. No matter what software radio you flash, the hardware is wrong.
radio rom - The radio software sits between windows mobile and the hardware. It controls the hardware based on what you want to do. There are all kinds of reports of better/worse battery life, connection strength, sound quality results when flashing digfferent radios.
flashing a radio does NOT require a hard reset, so wont affect your install.
Some roms (example the 576 meg enabled roms) require specific radios, read the rom posts for info.
The big danger with radio flashing is only applicable to tmous users, , if they flash a radio with ..51.. in the version number, their phone dies.

A useful read. I hope you got a thank you...

heh, well i got one now, cheers,

Dear Samsamuel !
Tx a lot ! Although I study this forum now since I am a HD2 owner (who never flashed a cooked ROM) I start to understand these cryptic topic now by Your explanations, making me more brave to try it once. Tx
The only thing I still can´t figure out is: WTF are the REAL differences of the stock-ROMS eg. what EXACTLY is changed between ROM 1.43 WWE, 1.48 WWE, 1.66 WWE, 1.72 (no WWE methinks).
I got so far to understand that some ROM-upgrades are just earlier ROMs with all the following patches included, but some are a major switch from WM 6.5 to 6.5.x and Sense 2.5.19xxxx to 2xxxx, giving new features like rotation in all Sense-Screens.
Plz, get me right, I spend all bad-weather-weekends hours and hours reading in the ROM-cooker-section, read XDA on my HD at airports and train stations but the shere mass of info provided - a little bit here, an info there - prevents me to get the WHOLE picture. There is a thread about which ROMs are officially out till now but with NO Info about the differences between them and which is a major UPGRADE (WM 6.5 to 6.5.x, Sense 1xxx to 2xxxx) and which is simply a better working "older" ROM.
I got my HD 2 now by the help of the geniousses here (You, Cookie, netripper, Moonah, netdrg, BsB, TX, metaldetector-lady and, and, and -and SKTools ) to work perfectly, smooth and without any fault but still would like some features like full rotational capab of Sense, which is provided by later ROMS. BUT WHICH ROM IS THIS ?
Maybe someone could add some infos ´bout that as a sticky thread ?? to decide wether to flash or not to flash when a new official ROM is issued by HTC, cause every ROM upgrade causes a hell of a work to make the HD2 work as smooth and flawless as before (I have now about 50 apps installed and configured to my needs).
Tx for Your understanding

[Q] Difference between T-Mobile and international HTC

I'm looking at this phone in particular: cgi.ebay.com.au/htc-hd2-phone-2X-memory-fastest-NEW-OZ-warranty-RARE-/260726883438?pt=AU_Mobile_Phones&hash=item3cb488846e
Would it be able to run all the HD2 roms developed?

I wonder why he can't show an actual picture of one of the TMOUS phones (they have red and green call buttons)?
If assuming that they are genuine TMOUS, and that they are all working fine, then they should be able to flash Nandroid, WP7 and quite a few of the custom ROMs (the chefs should say if their ROM is TMOUS compatible).
The only real major concern is flashing a .51 RADIO - which will turn your nice phone into a rather expansive paperweight. If you are using a stock ROM, then check that it is for a TMOUS.
As for price and value, sorry I don't know enough to comment.

What do you mean by .51 radio? If it has that, would that mean I wouldn't be able to run Android on it (or possibly, only run it from an SD card)? Is it only T-Mobile phones that have such a radio? If I get the 8585, would this be of an concern?

I believe the T-mous version can only run the .50 radio... hence the analogy of expensive paperweight when you flash it with the .51 radio