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Provided that the rom you want to use is the 576MB RAM one? I realize that the amount of ROM is different between the two models, but will that alone cause incompatibility between the ROM for the two models?
Thanks for any reply!
The biggest thing you have to watch for is the base and radio...if you're using a US T-Mobile HD2 you must use a ROM with a base of 2.XX (as opposed to 1.XX)...and you also don't want to use a ROM with a radio built in other than 2.08...
the answer is, , not sure. Certainly if it is to work it must be a 576 enabled rom, and the radio must be right, , , , if you're brave enough, do post back and let us know. (I wouldn't till i knew for sure)
Dont forget that when you say t8585 roms, many of the cooked roms are actually based on the tmo 2.1 rom.
Its mainly the radio that you have to take care about, which may brick your device.
Its better not to flash a ROM with radio included in it.
Don't flash any Radio especially those available in T8585 forum.
In other cases, it may be showing less RAM or less ROM only with some ROMs if they are not compatible.
Sorry really to be a pain here, but if someone does not mind, can they explain to me ROM, Radio and HSPL? I think i know that ROM is the software running on your phone. but it that version number increased everytime someone make a custom ROM out from an official one?
Radio as far as i know is for wifi, radio, etc. is this correct ? And final we have HSPL, now what do need that for, and for what use it is?
I am ofcourse asking these questions because i started to look at all the nice ROM's out there and not sure if i should stick to what im doing and keep going for the higher numbers. Would be very happy if someone could quickly explain them all properly and then maybe guide me to other links where i can read more...
Thank you in advance...
SPL - Secondary Program Loader - Think of it as the BIOS of your phone. It starts the operating system loading, and when you flash it verifies cid and region locks.
HSPL - Hard Secondary Program Loader - This is the creation of Bepe and Cotulla and Co. and is a hacked version of the official SPL that bypasses the checks when you flash a rom. It requires SPL 1.42.0000 on your phone to use.
This is the only version that works for telstra phones.
HSPL2 - is an upgrade to HSPL that allows witching between most of the available SPL's, and also their HSPL equivalents. (So if you want to install cooked roms, you might choose 2.08.HSPL, whilst if you want to go back to official, you would choose 1.42.0000 in the HSPL2 dropdown)
HSPL1024 - Is HSPL specific to the tmous hd2.
hardware ROM - The Read Only Memory of the phone. Think of it as the hard disk in your device. This is your storage memory.
'the' rom - When we talk about flashing roms, we mean the file that installs the whole operating system on your phone. This file is 'flashed' to the rom storage space, where it installs itself. After it finishes configuring itself, whatever is left is your available storage memory. (usually around 180 meg on a standard hd2)
Official ROMS have version numbers such as 1.66 , 1.72. 2.10.
Version numbers of cooked roms are meaningless. They only apply to that chefs roms. He/She applies versions as they see fit, however you can get a fair bit of info from the ro mthread title.
Example, they will usually tell you the base of the rom, i.e what stock rom was used as a base, 1.66, or 2.10 for example, and also the windows build version, (the 5 digit 21xxx number, i dont know whats what with those, but the higher ones are winmo 6.5.x) and more as you get used to reading them.
radio hardware - The different models have different actual hardware that connects to the mobile network. That is why you cant get 3g on at&t with a T Mo USA hd2. No matter what software radio you flash, the hardware is wrong.
radio rom - The radio software sits between windows mobile and the hardware. It controls the hardware based on what you want to do. There are all kinds of reports of better/worse battery life, connection strength, sound quality results when flashing digfferent radios.
flashing a radio does NOT require a hard reset, so wont affect your install.
Some roms (example the 576 meg enabled roms) require specific radios, read the rom posts for info.
The big danger with radio flashing is only applicable to tmous users, , if they flash a radio with ..51.. in the version number, their phone dies.
A useful read. I hope you got a thank you...
heh, well i got one now, cheers,
Dear Samsamuel !
Tx a lot ! Although I study this forum now since I am a HD2 owner (who never flashed a cooked ROM) I start to understand these cryptic topic now by Your explanations, making me more brave to try it once. Tx
The only thing I still can´t figure out is: WTF are the REAL differences of the stock-ROMS eg. what EXACTLY is changed between ROM 1.43 WWE, 1.48 WWE, 1.66 WWE, 1.72 (no WWE methinks).
I got so far to understand that some ROM-upgrades are just earlier ROMs with all the following patches included, but some are a major switch from WM 6.5 to 6.5.x and Sense 2.5.19xxxx to 2xxxx, giving new features like rotation in all Sense-Screens.
Plz, get me right, I spend all bad-weather-weekends hours and hours reading in the ROM-cooker-section, read XDA on my HD at airports and train stations but the shere mass of info provided - a little bit here, an info there - prevents me to get the WHOLE picture. There is a thread about which ROMs are officially out till now but with NO Info about the differences between them and which is a major UPGRADE (WM 6.5 to 6.5.x, Sense 1xxx to 2xxxx) and which is simply a better working "older" ROM.
I got my HD 2 now by the help of the geniousses here (You, Cookie, netripper, Moonah, netdrg, BsB, TX, metaldetector-lady and, and, and -and SKTools ) to work perfectly, smooth and without any fault but still would like some features like full rotational capab of Sense, which is provided by later ROMS. BUT WHICH ROM IS THIS ?
Maybe someone could add some infos ´bout that as a sticky thread ?? to decide wether to flash or not to flash when a new official ROM is issued by HTC, cause every ROM upgrade causes a hell of a work to make the HD2 work as smooth and flawless as before (I have now about 50 apps installed and configured to my needs).
Tx for Your understanding
windows 6.5, 6.5.x
when you flash a rom does it matter for these?
what if you want 6.5.x but currently have 6.5?
how does that work?
which rom do you like for the t-mous hd2 and why?
which rom has the least bugs, good battery life, and fast?
6.5 is what u hav now, 6.5.x only differs from the start menu going from the top of the screen to the bottom of it alsowen dealin with the newer roms 6.5.x usaly has the most updated software.... now always keep in mind to research the info before making a new thread, the reason for this is because when u go into a cooked rom thread all the info u need and pictures of the rom is in the thread... and please read before u do anything to your device
but i was wondering, if you flash a 6.5.x rom onto your 6.5 after you hspl will it still work or will it brick?? im not really sure about the whole flashing thing yet it still confuses me
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but i was wondering, if you flash a 6.5.x rom onto your 6.5 after you hspl will it still work or will it brick?? im not really sure about the whole flashing thing yet it still confuses me
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when you flash, your current rom is completely wiped so it doesn't matter what version it is.
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when you flash, your current rom is completely wiped so it doesn't matter what version it is.
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so to my understanding on flashing, you first hspl your phone then download your rom and radio first you flash radio then rom?
if you downgrade from 2.13 to 2.10.0 to hspl your phone, and you flash via micro sd, there isnt a possible way to brick your phone right? :/
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so to my understanding on flashing, you first hspl your phone then download your rom and radio first you flash radio then rom?
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doesnt really matter what order you flash them because you have a tmous, so the rom will work with any tmous radio, including the one already on your phone, and if there isnt a tmous radio on your phone then its already bricked
You probably learned that re: the normal leo, where the rom doesnt boot until the radio is flashed, but doesnt affect tmous.
if you downgrade from 2.13 to 2.10.0 to hspl your phone, and you flash via micro sd, there isnt a possible way to brick your phone right? :/
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Heh, theres always a chance, just like theres a chance you will fall over in the bathroom and break your neck whilst brushing your teeth, , , , , , hehe.
Make sure you have plenty of charge in your battery, and dont mess with it whilst its flashing, and it should be fine.
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doesnt really matter what order you flash them because you have a tmous, so the rom will work with any tmous radio, including the one already on your phone, and if there isnt a tmous radio on your phone then its already bricked
You probably learned that re: the normal leo, where the rom doesnt boot until the radio is flashed, but doesnt affect tmous.
Heh, theres always a chance, just like theres a chance you will fall over in the bathroom and break your neck whilst brushing your teeth, , , , , , hehe.
Make sure you have plenty of charge in your battery, and dont mess with it whilst its flashing, and it should be fine.
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so whe i downgrade back to 2.10, you just install the rom right? and if your radio is 2.10 its fine right?
your radio should work fine with most of the roms that you install. If a particular rom requires a specific radio version 1 of 2 things will happen. 1) The chef will include it in the rom or 2) the chef will state the radio version needed as a recomendation. Sometimes a specific radio version will work better where as a different radio version may affect reception, battery life among other things. You can't however get whatever radio version you feel like because some radios are location specific (no need for a portuguese radio when you live in Chicago) Go to the XDA-Wiki and look for radios. They have a table explaining each radio version, it's carrier and it's location. Best of luck on journey through flashing. It is an exciting one.
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your radio should work fine with most of the roms that you install. If a particular rom requires a specific radio version 1 of 2 things will happen. 1) The chef will include it in the rom or 2) the chef will state the radio version needed as a recomendation. Sometimes a specific radio version will work better where as a different radio version may affect reception, battery life among other things. You can't however get whatever radio version you feel like because some radios are location specific (no need for a portuguese radio when you live in Chicago) Go to the XDA-Wiki and look for radios. They have a table explaining each radio version, it's carrier and it's location. Best of luck on journey through flashing. It is an exciting one.
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thanks okay so im planning on flashing tonight and i can just load the 2.10.0 rom onto my phone and it'll just downgrade right because my radio is compatible? then after that i hspl it and flash a new rom? if im correct this will happen according to plan? but i wont flash until i get this answered
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thanks okay so im planning on flashing tonight and i can just load the 2.10.0 rom onto my phone and it'll just downgrade right because my radio is compatible? then after that i hspl it and flash a new rom? if im correct this will happen according to plan? but i wont flash until i get this answered
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go for it, you are flashing a tmous rom onto a tmous phone with a tmous radio 1 - included in the rom and 2 - already on the phone. It will alllll be fine.
Just wondering, what rom are you flashing? I understand your anxiety about flashing. Took me couple of months to get the courage to do so. I was afraid to brick my precious TP2.
Hi
I'm afraid to BRICK my HD2 like i did to my other one
how can i know what ROM is the right version for my T-mobile US?
what do i need to check before i install?
what parameters in the build of the ROM'S i need to pay attention to?
plz help me use my HD2 the right way this time
THX...
read the stickies...........
then read them again.............
then read everything else...............twice......
all the info you need to prevent a brick should be on the first page of the rom thread
dont flash a .51. radio........ that will brick a tmous
you might be best to start your reading in the tmous section......
best advice ive ever seen on xda.......
"read evrything......... even if you dont understand it" - samsamuel
hope that helps.......
I have a T-Mobile (TMOUS) USA myself. If you haven't already, install HSPL3 1st (fairly simple instructions in the "how to flash everything" thread. If you want to try a new radio, I would do that next. Yes, only .50 radios, NO .51 radios.
I have the newest 2.15 radio, and it works well, had 2.14 also. Both work much better for me than the 2.10 that came with the phone.
I use "Energy Rom", but I am sure others are on par with it. There are some that will not work for us, but they do note that in their thread. Good luck. For me, having a custom rom and radio made all the difference.
read EVERYTHING about the ROMS and make sure you are flashing one that is compatible with TMOUS.
as stated in a previous post, make sure you flash a radio with .50 and NOT .51 or you will brick your phone.
from what I have read on many posts here, if you install 2.08 HSPL then you cannot brick your phone but im not sure.
i flashed the 2.08 HSPL on my TMOUS HD2 and running elegancia V5 rom with no problems.
you can always flash back to the stock SPL if you need to return your phone to TMO.
Hello,
I have a T8585 SH08LNW01064.
It's originally an orange one.
I use SFR, (i change my phone in a reparation shop after breaking the screen of my original one)
When had it i used HSPL3_PKG.exe and flash it with RUU_Leo_S_HTC_FRA_3.14.406.2_Radio_15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14_LEO_S_Ship.exe downloaded from htc site.
I now realize that this ROM is not that i expected and i want to try ARTEMIS. BUt i don't arrive to flasch it now and i realize that i don't rellay understand the architecture of ROMs in my fone... as far has i understand the SPL or(HSPL or SSPL) is a kind of boot software who alllow the installation of only some type of ROM. After this there is the OS ROM, the driver ROM (RADIO)....
So my questioin are :
Is there any schematic or definition about the full architecture of HTC HD ROM, a compatibility board??
What is excatly the meaning of SPL HSPL SSPL, what are they roles?
I would like to know how does the differents ROM are linked, what are the constraint?
I mean as an electronician i imagine that the electrical part of the mobiles fone are the same so normally i can flash everything on every fone... But i realize it's not the case and i don't arrive to catch how does it work//
Thank You.
OK I can not fully answer your question here, but i will share what I know, also check out my little guide i wrote linked in my sig,
The bootloader is made up of what is called IPL and SPL. IPL stands for Initial Progam Loader which is resonsable for loading and initializing the hardware of the device on boot up. Without this the device does not work, it will not even turn on. This is why when you brick a device it will not turn on because you have removed or currupted the bootloader which contains the IPL. SPL stands for Secondary Program Loader wich is responsable for loading or booting up your ROM and allowing you to flash another ROM to your device. SPL wil only allow official or Signed ROMs to be flashed to your device this is due to the CID. HSPL stands for Hard Secoundary Program Loader wich does the same thing as SPL but the deference between SPL and HSPL is SPL can be changed flashing a singed ROM via RUU and HSPL can not be changed when flashing a signed ROM via RUU. HSPL also disables the CID and allows unofficial or custom ROMs to be flashed to your device.
Also software on phones and mobile devices are usually device spacific so you can not use it on other devices. This is why you can not just flash any kind of device software to your device. Bootloaders are very devices spacicic with out a bootloader a device will not do anything.
I do not know of any schematic or the such that is accessable by the general public or atleast I have not found one.
Just check out his guide. I think it'll give you what you need.
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Just check out his guide. I think it'll give you what you need.
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If you have some of what the OP is asking for please by all means send it to me via PM also as my brain hungers for information LOL.
But seriously I would love to see anything you have are any info you can provide.
Hi!
Thanks for ur reply, sorry that i didn't find out the information in the forum before.
It's start to be more understandable for me.
So now next step, is how to identify exactly the model of my fone? i have the serial number, but i didn't wrote down what was the SPL and version i originally had
What are the limitations? why i can't simply put the latest version of HSPL, and flash all rom i want? Is there different electrical model of T8585 wich correspond to some specific SPL, wich correspond to specific ROM? Or is it just a question of association of good SPL/HSPL/ROM
And is there a compatibility board?
ANs i don't really understand the notion of bricking fone: it only happen if you damage your IPL, but as far as i understand, the IPL is never changed when you falsh ROM: at maximum you change the SPL...????
About ROMs:
I have:
official HTC 3.14.406.2 (04666) FRE
This ROM contain
System version 5.2.21913 (21913.5.0.94)
Manila 2.5.20181527.0
Radio drivers 2.15.50.14
Protocol version 15.42.50.11U
Here i don't understand well what is contained in the ROM and what could be changed separaltly, i mean i read about RADIO ROM... it means that i can flash a radio ROM separatly of the HTC official ROM?
I didn't undestand exactly also what are the different function of these:
System version: it's the operating system part of the ROM: WINDOW6.5???
Manila: It's the MMI developed by HTC, the "SENSE"???
Radio it's the drivers dor the radio chipset in my phone??
Protocol version i don't have a clue of what is it??
And is it for example the same radio wich are used for android and window?
Thanks again for your help.
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Hi!
Thanks for ur reply, sorry that i didn't find out the information in the forum before.
It's start to be more understandable for me.
So now next step, is how to identify exactly the model of my fone? i have the serial number, but i didn't wrote down what was the SPL and version i originally had
What are the limitations? why i can't simply put the latest version of HSPL, and flash all rom i want? Is there different electrical model of T8585 wich correspond to some specific SPL, wich correspond to specific ROM? Or is it just a question of association of good SPL/HSPL/ROM
And is there a compatibility board?
ANs i don't really understand the notion of bricking fone: it only happen if you damage your IPL, but as far as i understand, the IPL is never changed when you falsh ROM: at maximum you change the SPL...????
About ROMs:
I have:
official HTC 3.14.406.2 (04666) FRE
This ROM contain
System version 5.2.21913 (21913.5.0.94)
Manila 2.5.20181527.0
Radio drivers 2.15.50.14
Protocol version 15.42.50.11U
Here i don't understand well what is contained in the ROM and what could be changed separaltly, i mean i read about RADIO ROM... it means that i can flash a radio ROM separatly of the HTC official ROM?
I didn't undestand exactly also what are the different function of these:
System version: it's the operating system part of the ROM: WINDOW6.5???
Manila: It's the MMI developed by HTC, the "SENSE"???
Radio it's the drivers dor the radio chipset in my phone??
Protocol version i don't have a clue of what is it??
And is it for example the same radio wich are used for android and window?
Thanks again for your help.
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I am still learning about all of this myself and someone else here may be able to give you a more in depth answer. But I will share what I do know with you.
To find if you have a T-Mobile T8585 just look at your HD2. If it has T-Mobile at the top of the front of the phone and it has a green send button and a red end button then it is a T8585. If it does not have this it is a International/Eroupean model. I am not 100% sure about this but you can either go to Settings>About Phone>Hardware information to get the model number or look under your battery. As I said I am not 100 % sure about that as I am on my HD2 right now and can not pull the battery and I am runningvAndroid and not Windows Mobile
As for your limitations question the T8585 better known as the TMOUS has more ROM and RAM than the regular HD2s. Therefore it has a little different internals then regular HD2s. The ROMs made for the TMOUS are made to to take advantage of it's extra ROM and RAM. Just as the SPL 2.08.0000 and SPL 3.03.0000 were made to work with it also. (It is also a SPL 3.10.0000 out for the TMOUS now) Being that the HSPL versions are made from the SPL versions then this is why you only want to flash HSPL 2.08 or HSPL 3.03 to the TMOUS. If you don't you may uncounted problems as these vesionscare made to work with the ROMs for the TMOUS. Now this does not mean that the ROMs for the TMOUS can not be flashed to a regular HD2 it just means you do not want to flash a ROM for the international HD2s to the TMOUS. For one they are not made for it's ROM and RAM, two they have radio versions that contain 51's in them and they will brick a TMOUS. Once you have flashed HSPL to your TMOUS you can flash any custom ROM that is based of of a stock TMOUS ROM but Nome other because like I said if it was not meant for the TMOUS itcwill not operate correctly on the TMOUS
The only compatibility board is the maim board/mother board of the HD2. But I think you can not put a TMOUS main board in a international HD2, bit I do think you can put a international main board in a TMOUS. My question is though why would you want to? Lol
You are correct when you brick a HD2 you have screwed up the IPL hence a brick HD2 will not even turn on. I am not exactly sure why flashing the wrong radio will brick a TMOUS but it THECIPL and the radio must have some kind of direst corolation to each other. Yes when you flash a ROM that has a different SPL version included in the image than it chang the SPL. Unless you have HSPL, but this only hold true when you flash via RUU not via SD card. When you flash via SD card the Bootloader is what actually does the flash and it is only programed to flash the intiror image not just the ROM and Radio if HSPL is present.
A full ROM image contains a SPL version, a splash screen, a radio version, and a ROM version. You can flash any of of these seperate from one another via RUU or SD card but it has to just be the item you want to flash in the .nbh file.
You are spot on with your understanding of whthe the system version, the mantilla version, and the radio version is. I am still not quit sure what the protocol version is myselfcso if you find out let me know.
Yes the same radios that you use in Windows Mobile are used for Android on THE HD2 as radio software is device spacific and can only be used on the device it was made for.
T8585 doesn't mean tmous, all regular hd2 are t8585. Telstra are t9193, and I'm not sure the tmous even HAS a Tcode...., im sure it must, and it could be t8585, but just letting you know.
Also, regular hd2 3.14 roms come with 3.03.0000, so spl 3.x is not tmous specific, and indeed if you flash a 3.14 rom onto a regular hd2 without having spl 3.x it will not work. (Well it will, but badly) But you already knew this from your guide!
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T8585 doesn't mean tmous, all regular hd2 are t8585. Telstra are t9193, and I'm not sure the tmous even HAS a Tcode...., im sure it must, and it could be t8585, but just letting you know.
Also, regular hd2 3.14 roms come with 3.03.0000, so spl 3.x is not tmous specific, and indeed if you flash a 3.14 rom onto a regular hd2 without having spl 3.x it will not work. (Well it will, but badly) But you already knew this from your guide!
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Once again thanks for the info Sam. This is how a forum should work everyone contributing knowledge to help one another. And if someone says you are wrong learn from them and not get made and lash back at them for only trying to help you out. I want to say thanks to all the members that are regularly on here trying to help and inform people as you all have taught me so much sense I have been here and have all been more than gracious. I recently started venturing to other HD2 forums here on XDA and have been greatly offended by some members that are there. Thankscagain to onecand all.
you are most welcome, and im glad you dont take offence, cos none is intended. Knowledge is power, and all that, hehe.
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Once again thanks for the info Sam. This is how a forum should work everyone contributing knowledge to help one another. And if someone says you are wrong learn from them and not get made and lash back at them for only trying to help you out. I want to say thanks to all the members that are regularly on here trying to help and inform people as you all have taught me so much sense I have been here and have all been more than gracious. I recently started venturing to other HD2 forums here on XDA and have been greatly offended by some members that are there. Thankscagain to onecand all.
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Yup, he beat me to it. The TMOUS model does not have a number, just a name: "T-Mobile HD2". The 8585 is the international model.
Merci beaucoup!!
Thank you very much for all this informations, sorry for my late reply.
So i'll try to apply this on my Hd2 now, i will let you know.... Cause right now my phone work very badly and i'm not statisfied with that!