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Sorry that this post won't be very thorough, I made a decently structured post but then my browser crashed and I lost it :|
Lol so my main point is that a lot of people have a g1, and I think the best rom/firmware for it was RC.29.
1.5 really slowed the phone down and made the boot time very long.
And 1.6....eh.[developer wise though, YES!]
I would really like to see a developer make a custom rom for the g1 that is very basic I don't need a rotating screen that 1.5 brought, and at most for an on screen keyboard I'd only like to see the t9 keypad and even that I don't care much for, my g1's hardware QWERY is a beautiful thing.
But yea a very basic rom with very minimal options/features so the g1 runs quick, clean, and mean developed by someone who knows how to make the g1 FAST!
I hope you can get the just of this, I understand someone is going to say this unless I announce it, why don't I stay at rc.29 if I like it so much? Because I like my apps working more.
So thank you for reading this, and hopefully this post gains a lot of ground and want so a developer could make this happen
Besides I would think that stripping features from a g1 wouldn't be too hard
[Lastly that was in my other post, why do we still need a video recorder app in the drawer when its so easy to switch to from the camera? ]

No one else is with me on this? Lol sorry I guess if you feel differently.
It's just that I know in an emergency if I needed to copy down a license plate number or make a call I know my g1 would lag so bad and not open up core apps like messaging or the dialer on time.

Icebergxx said:
No one else is with me on this? Lol sorry I guess if you feel differently.
It's just that I know in an emergency if I needed to copy down a license plate number or make a call I know my g1 would lag so bad and not open up core apps like messaging or the dialer on time.
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Eh I did notice that RC29 did run alot smoother because I had to unroot and return my phone. But I think it's a step backwards. Most people probably have forgotten what it was like and have moved on. Sorry bro.
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no offense... but i ran rc29 for about well about week ago it was not any smother infact it was slower and sucked my battery. i dont use screen ration you can disable it in spare parts and always use the hard keyboard and never have any widgets...although im thinking of messing with some (getting bored) but yeah dude run cm stables and over clock and bit ( like 348 to 568) and ur g1 will run smooth as butter. dont mess with swap and ect because i think it more trouble than its worth on cupcake (cough*)

jmon777 said:
no offense... but i ran rc29 for about well about week ago it was not any smother infact it was slower and sucked my battery. i dont use screen ration you can disable it in spare parts and always use the hard keyboard and never have any widgets...although im thinking of messing with some (getting bored) but yeah dude run cm stables and over clock and bit ( like 348 to 568) and ur g1 will run smooth as butter. dont mess with swap and ect because i think it more trouble than its worth on cupcake (cough*)
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Yea I am on the Cyan train, it seems that every other experimental build he puts out messes with my most needed app so I'm flashing all around. And it's ok no offense taken but I genuinely thing a stock phone at rc29 is super fast, I have had this experience and so has some of my other Android buddies on other forums.

Icebergxx said:
Yea I am on the Cyan train, it seems that every other experimental build he puts out messes with my most needed app so I'm flashing all around. And it's ok no offense taken but I genuinely thing a stock phone at rc29 is super fast, I have had this experience and so has some of my other Android buddies on other forums.
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i was thinking about this you would like use a ota rc29 right but have roted goodness right? things like apps to sd and and also having a lot of apps on phone can slow it down. and idk when i was using rc 29 becase i wanted to see if there really was any improvement and i was having to send the phone becase the mic went out. i had alot of forecloses in the stock messaging app i cant think of thing that would be running in the back ground on cup (that you cant disable or not use) that would slow it down. but you are right the original over clocked jf 1.5 was really slow at least when i tested it with neocore got repeatably worse frame rates. but with cm 1.5 builds with over clock to the same speed i got faster up frame rates and ran rc 29 for the heck of it and got the same as did on jf 1.5.

jmon777 said:
i was thinking about this you would like use a ota rc29 right but have roted goodness right? things like apps to sd and and also having a lot of apps on phone can slow it down. and idk when i was using rc 29 becase i wanted to see if there really was any improvement and i was having to send the phone becase the mic went out. i had alot of forecloses in the stock messaging app i cant think of thing that would be running in the back ground on cup (that you cant disable or not use) that would slow it down. but you are right the original over clocked jf 1.5 was really slow at least when i tested it with neocore got repeatably worse frame rates. but with cm 1.5 builds with over clock to the same speed i got faster up frame rates and ran rc 29 for the heck of it and got the same as did on jf 1.5.
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As a friendly gesture, tomorrow or the next I am going to load up the dreaming.nbh file in Bootloader and play around with the stock apps and I will get back to you with friendly results.
And I am going to try out Handcent before 1.5
And Twidroid.
My main frustration is just that if someone rear ends me and try's to run via driving I'd love to be able to snap a photo ASAP or break out the messaging app and write down the plate number, my phone lags so much [in my mind at least] I feel I'd rather have a very dimmed down Rom that can support apps on the 1.5/6 firmware.
Well see though :]
I know a lot of mods can fix my problems and some slow them down, but it leans more so on the class of the sd card really.

Icebergxx said:
As a friendly gesture, tomorrow or the next I am going to load up the dreaming.nbh file in Bootloader and play around with the stock apps and I will get back to you with friendly results.
And I am going to try out Handcent before 1.5
And Twidroid.
My main frustration is just that if someone rear ends me and try's to run via driving I'd love to be able to snap a photo ASAP or break out the messaging app and write down the plate number, my phone lags so much [in my mind at least] I feel I'd rather have a very dimmed down Rom that can support apps on the 1.5/6 firmware.
Well see though :]
I know a lot of mods can fix my problems and some slow them down, but it leans more so on the class of the sd card really.
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i hope to see what your results are. im really going to start looking into raw performance. when ever i can get some free time.

I'm back on rc.29 and I really like it, the only draw back to this is that apps I could pull up on 1.5 won't pull up now.
Like I can't pull up twidorids legacy edition thats >1.5
Or handcent
or chomp.
And it's kind of strange :/
I guess I should of prepared better and downloaded them before hand so they'd be in my history. [and no not even clicking view more apps from twidorid pulls up the legacy]
But the phonebook replacement app is there and it works very well.
Just over all a clean UI I love it.
The notifiation bar is solid, and personally it feels faster than an overclockecd cyan build to me.
Swiping between screens, pulling down notifications, the app drawer, opening and closing the screen.
And overall it's just so benificial.
When I'm in the market and I slide my phone open to type then go ahead and close it and search or search while open then close it it doesn't do that stupid **** that 1.5 does where it sets you back one action.
For example lets say I put in handsent.
That's wrong, nothing should pull up.
So ok go back, open the keyboard type in handcent and handcent pulls up, or cool.
Close the phone and it goes back to my results for handsent.
HOW LAME!
I haven't gotten the browser to auto refresh yet due to the lack of internal memory and cache issues, mind you I only have stock apps, but I've navigated between the market and messaging/texts which is already more then impressive compared to lock 2.0 almost clearing the cache and refreshing anything when used.
I love r.c. 29 and so should you, that's just the most bottom, factual, content buyer/consumer happiness attitude there is about the g1.
It's time a dev makes a rc.29 rom that can run 1.5/1.6 apps without adding fancy animation, onscreen keyboards and all that junk.
I might be interested in updating to rc.33 but I have never had luck finding that .zip file so if anyone wants to help out post it here please.
Going to see how well my battery does, it normally never last me more then 6 hours, usually craps at at 4 hours :/
But we shall see!

I tried to upgrade to stock rc.33 but the .zip was too small and failed to instal properly, so I used another .zip and apparently it was a JF rom for 1.5
It loaded fine, installed the radio, then did a few quirky things.
Kinda disappointing that I couldn't get to rc.33 but that's common for me lol.

Icebergxx said:
I tried to upgrade to stock rc.33 but the .zip was too small and failed to instal properly, so I used another .zip and apparently it was a JF rom for 1.5
It loaded fine, installed the radio, then did a few quirky things.
Kinda disappointing that I couldn't get to rc.33 but that's common for me lol.
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just a grab a modded rc-33 from koush's guide to rooting. its not stock, but eh

What's the point of Sense anymore?

I have used all flavors, even back when it was TouchFlo on my HTC Vogue... I don't get it. I paid for SPB Mobile Shell 3D, and it seems much more fluid. I know there are a few nifty treats like flip-over-to-silence-call, etc, but really there are only a few. I was really hoping these 3.0 ROMs would add some must-have features, but I found myself thinking... "I have Sense 3.0, what now?"
Flashing to Deck's 1.1 right now, and as soon as CM7 gets MMS working again, I'll be back on their 2.3.4 build.
What features of Sense 1.0, 2.1, or 3.0 really pull you in? I'm not trying to bash Sense, but I just wonder if I am missing some hidden gem that Mobile Shell 3D doesn't have?
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Look and feel for some.
Some people use it because they used to use it with their Windows Mobile 6.x phone and they're just used to it.

mattykinsx said:
Look and feel for some.
Some people use it because they used to use it with their Windows Mobile 6.x phone and they're just used to it.
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This is me. I like the look and feel without having to buy a third party add on.

well when I used it on WM7, and it was called touchflo, it made it easy to switch between important info real quick... like tabs... what we have now is basically just the stock launcher with a few widgets on top of it. I do like the font/text size on Sense 3.0, but it seems hard to justify the ROM being 3 times larger... especially when I just ended up putting SPB 3D right on top of it.
The zoomed-in text cursor was kinda cool... I dunno, I guess I just figured there was something really kick-ass that I was overlooking. I'll probably go back to Sense when the Evo 3D comes out, most likely out of necessity.
The things I like about Sense ROMs aren't really Sense-related... I like that full 720p recording works, I like the accuracy of GPS, and a few other things. Although I can say that the Kingdom A.1 ROM had really weak WIFI performance... I had a hard time staying connected and once I flashed to Deck's it worked great again.
What I don't get is how come some ROMs restore all my apps through the Market, and others don't? Kingdom ROM did... Most CM7 ROMs do too.

WindOws vs pc debate...no one will ever have a reason, it's preference, if it aint broke don't fix...

I actually like sense a lot. It's clean & nice looking. I have tried out SPB shell 3D but was missing my sense widgets so had to go back to sense.

Blonde vs. Brunette, full figure or skinny.....

I don't have to go look for widgets to do things they are already built into Sense. If in fact I enjoyed having nothing but icons then AOSP would be great. When on AOSP I spend all my time looking for widgets that do what Sense does out of the box. I also find that when I load AOSP ROMs up with all the widgets they aren't any faster.

Sense offers a great cohesive look for a phone for users that aren't obsessessed with having a unique customized look. The themes, backgrounds, widgets, apps all work together great and you'd be hard pressed to make your phone look ugly using all Sense stuff. LP, ADW, Beautiful/Fancy Widgets, etc. can make for some ugly screenies in the wrong hands. The amount of options offered in those apps is mind boggling for your average everyday cellphone users. Its a great selling point to have all the social synergy stuff and theming out the box without having to buy apps immediately to make your phone pretty.

ScrapMaker said:
What I don't get is how come some ROMs restore all my apps through the Market, and others don't? Kingdom ROM did... Most CM7 ROMs do too.
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I was puzzled by this for a while too. Turns out flashing a ROM and immediately flashing the gapps will cause this. If you flash a ROM, boot, then go back to recovery to flash the gapps, you won't get your apps restored unless you do it yourself. There's also a setting (Settings->Privacy->Automatic Restore) that has some bearing on this too.

ffolkes said:
I was puzzled by this for a while too. Turns out flashing a ROM and immediately flashing the gapps will cause this. If you flash a ROM, boot, then go back to recovery to flash the gapps, you won't get your apps restored unless you do it yourself. There's also a setting (Settings->Privacy->Automatic Restore) that has some bearing on this too.
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dang, I never knew the timing of the gapps flash mattered... I always did it the same on every ROM flash and sometimes it worked, and other times it didn't. I wish Google would give us the ability to manage our backed up info/settings.
I guess since I bought SPB Mobile Shell 3D that my preferences are different... they are already the same or better than Sense widgets, and much smoother than any Sense launcher, (full hw accel on Evo.) So I'd probably load this on top of any Sense installation anyways. I really think that would just be a waste. I have to look at non-launcher differences. I like facebook contact integration, but that is done with the Facebook app... I guess if you really like the status updates on your contacts application, and things like friendstream, then Sense would be preferrable. Personally I disable friendstream because I'd rather just check the action out in the main app or on the full website.
As far as the OS-level changes go, are they mostly cosmetic? I did notice the flip-to-silence kind of thing, but I wonder if 4G performance is better, or anything like that?

ffolkes said:
I was puzzled by this for a while too. Turns out flashing a ROM and immediately flashing the gapps will cause this. If you flash a ROM, boot, then go back to recovery to flash the gapps, you won't get your apps restored unless you do it yourself. There's also a setting (Settings->Privacy->Automatic Restore) that has some bearing on this too.
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My god.... THANK YOU. THIS is what keeps me from trying out new roms more often, I hate dealing with 40 applications trying to download from the market every time I switch.

ffolkes said:
I was puzzled by this for a while too. Turns out flashing a ROM and immediately flashing the gapps will cause this. If you flash a ROM, boot, then go back to recovery to flash the gapps, you won't get your apps restored unless you do it yourself. There's also a setting (Settings->Privacy->Automatic Restore) that has some bearing on this too.
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I think you can also bypass that by skipping that initial 'touch the naughty Android' screen. I've never had this happen and I always flash GApps in the same session. And I notice I always have the backup / restore option checked too.
That ol' 4 point breath of death tap.
Top Left
Top Right
Lower Right
Lower Left
Dance around that Android

conqu1stador said:
That ol' 4 point breath of death tap.
Top Left
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Dance around that Android
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the heck is that?

conqu1stador said:
I think you can also bypass that by skipping that initial 'touch the naughty Android' screen. I've never had this happen and I always flash GApps in the same session. And I notice I always have the backup / restore option checked too.
That ol' 4 point breath of death tap.
Top Left
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Dance around that Android
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you forgot..
put your right foot in..
put your right foot out..
put your right foot in..
and shake it all about..

ScrapMaker said:
the heck is that?
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That first screen with the Android, the one that says 'touch the Android to begin,' if you tap around it you can skip that initial BS and I think that is when the app restoration begins. I used to try and make sure I was always set for app restore but it never did it. If you tap the upper left, upper right, lower right, and lower left around the Android you can bypass that.
Pretty sure that's why, despite my previous and earlier attempts to have the restoration take place, it never happened. Glad, because it sounds like a pain.*
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you forgot..
put your right foot in..
put your right foot out..
put your right foot in..
and shake it all about..
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*that may not be the case, but it's the only logical reason I can think of as to why I could never get it. but I'm pretty sure. but I could also be wrong. I haven't slept ... and the drinks are flowing.**
**Go Bulls

conqu1stador said:
That first screen with the Android, the one that says 'touch the Android to begin,' if you tap around it you can skip that initial BS and I think that is when the app restoration begins. I used to try and make sure I was always set for app restore but it never did it. If you tap the upper left, upper right, lower right, and lower left around the Android you can bypass that.
Pretty sure that's why, despite my previous and earlier attempts to have the restoration take place, it never happened. Glad, because it sounds like a pain.*
*that may not be the case, but it's the only logical reason I can think of as to why I could never get it. but I'm pretty sure. but I could also be wrong. I haven't slept ... and the drinks are flowing.**
**Go Bulls
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Honestly, why would you want to skip it? I HATE having to dig through the market again to find everything... I'd much rather them reinstall automatically...

ScrapMaker said:
Honestly, why would you want to skip it? I HATE having to dig through the market again to find everything... I'd much rather them reinstall automatically...
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Because people have complained about a bunch of old apps they don't want installing again, that or many people use titanium. I grab as I go, make sure things are getting set up and working right as I go. I grab my important ones, free and paid, and sometimes I don't grab apps up again. That way you don't end up forgetting you restored a bunch of **** you downloaded and never removed. I don't have a TON of apps though, which some seem to.
Either way.
Choices, bro.
Duh.
#Winning

Sim-X said:
I actually like sense a lot. It's clean & nice looking. I have tried out SPB shell 3D but was missing my sense widgets so had to go back to sense.
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Same here

ScrapMaker said:
I have used all flavors, even back when it was TouchFlo on my HTC Vogue... I don't get it. I paid for SPB Mobile Shell 3D, and it seems much more fluid. I know there are a few nifty treats like flip-over-to-silence-call, etc, but really there are only a few. I was really hoping these 3.0 ROMs would add some must-have features, but I found myself thinking... "I have Sense 3.0, what now?"
Flashing to Deck's 1.1 right now, and as soon as CM7 gets MMS working again, I'll be back on their 2.3.4 build.
What features of Sense 1.0, 2.1, or 3.0 really pull you in? I'm not trying to bash Sense, but I just wonder if I am missing some hidden gem that Mobile Shell 3D doesn't have?
Thanks
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Some dudes like chicks, some dudes like dudes. Some dudes like to get a little rough, some dudes just wanna watch you do it. Hell, I almost feel like it isn't worth chewing through the restraints unless there is a promise of midgets and duck tape...

Official 2.3.4 - I've lost 130Mb of free RAM

After the official 2.3.4 OTA upgrade I've lost about 130Mb of RAM.
Nothing installed or changed from before to after the upgrade....but 130Mb were disappears.
I was usual to have 500Mb of free RAM but now that amount is reduced to 370....
Is there an explanation?

You have more apps running in the background now. I wouldn't worry about it. The OS will manage everything for you.
If you are really that bothered, you need to go through all the running apps, see what doesn't need to be running, and then use something like Optimize Tool Box from the market to prevent start up of those items. I have 534MB free at the moment myself.
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I've specifie "Official 2.3.4 Android"...
Your screenshot is not about that version but about a CustomROM.
(I'm an advanced software programmer and I know very well how an OS works, but in this case I've got any solution)
The services are the same, the widgets are the same, I've not installed nothing more than before, but I've lost 130Mb of free RAM.
I've installed "Advanced Task Killer" and I can "Kill" all listed programs (and System's listed services/executables) but I can't get more then 395 MB of free RAM also if I close all of them and clear Program's cache.
I remember with 2.2.2 I was always over 500 of free RAM, also after 10 days of use (of course after killed task/executables before watch amount of free RAM).

emandt said:
I've specifie "Official 2.3.4 Android"...
Your screenshot is not about that version but about a CustomROM.
(I'm an advanced software programmer and I know very well how an OS works, but in this case I've got any solution)
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Go back to programming school then..............that is not a custom ROM. It's ADW EX launcher with customized switches, icons, etc. (I guess it's mildly customized in that it's KP's 2.3.4, but for all intense and purposes, it is as close to stock 2.3.4 as it can be). I had the same issue as you, and my lowly mechanical engineering degree got me through it!
I gave you an answer which works for me. Task killers don't work for me. Preventing start up at boot time does! If you are such a good programmer, why can't you figure this out yourself, or at least show a little gratitude when someone tries to help you.

Did you unlock? Some report memory leakage after unlock for international users.
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CaelanT said:
Go back to programming school then..............that is not a custom ROM
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It's doesn't matter to go to programming school in this case.
Knowing what type of "launcher" it is doesn't makes someone better at programming.
SetCPU works at least with bootloader unlocked (from stock 2.3.4 or prev CustomROMs) AND with Root Privs.
I mean full stock OS (not custom rom and not rooted), and your case is not like mine.
However ADW EX Launcher is a software which is running OVER Motoblur (on not rooted OS), so it will use additional RAM then full-stock smartphone.
It's easy.
CaelanT said:
it's KP's 2.3.4, but for all intense and purposes, it is as close to stock 2.3.4 as it can be
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You can't say a CustomROM is "as close to stock".
It's simple different and you are not capable to really know what are the effective changes under the "surface".
CaelanT said:
Task killers don't work for me. Preventing start up at boot time does!
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Definitly a rooted phone.
So you case is definitly different from a stock OS.
CaelanT said:
If you are such a good programmer, why can't you figure this out yourself?
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Be a good programmer (I've not tell you in which language. It could be Python, ASP, PHP, Cobol, AS400 or Visual Basic which is not correlate to Android OS) doesn't means I have all the answers about a STOCK OS with unviewable files (due to lack of root privs).

emandt said:
It's doesn't matter to go to programming school in this case.
Knowing what type of "launcher" it is doesn't makes someone better at programming.
SetCPU works at least with bootloader unlocked (from stock 2.3.4 or prev CustomROMs) AND with Root Privs.
I mean full stock OS (not custom rom and not rooted), and your case is not like mine.
However ADW EX Launcher is a software which is running OVER Motoblur (on not rooted OS), so it will use additional RAM then full-stock smartphone.
It's easy.
You can't say a CustomROM is "as close to stock".
It's simple different and you are not capable to really know what are the effective changes under the "surface".
Definitly a rooted phone.
So you case is definitly different from a stock OS.
Be a good programmer (I've not tell you in which language. It could be Python, ASP, PHP, Cobol, AS400 or Visual Basic which is not correlate to Android OS) doesn't means I have all the answers about a STOCK OS with unviewable files (due to lack of root privs).
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What a bull*** Please give us some real deal infirmation/screenshot or whatever to show us how much memory you have got in total. If you have around 900mb then everything is fine. If it's less then we can try to find out why.
Sent from Motorola Atrix

Maybe someone ar making mistakes....
I was talking about FREE RAM avaiable on Atrix.
Total RAM is always near 900MB, but avaiable/free one is 130MB lower then Froyo 2.2.2, even if nothing changes from before to after upgrade.
So the new STOCK 2.3.4 (not from CustomROM!!!!!!) eats others 130MB of RAM even if services and executables are always the same, in the lists (Task/Process managers), as before.

CaelanT said:
You have more apps running in the background now. I wouldn't worry about it. The OS will manage everything for you.
If you are really that bothered, you need to go through all the running apps, see what doesn't need to be running, and then use something like Optimize Tool Box from the market to prevent start up of those items. I have 534MB free at the moment myself.
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where can I get ur background lol?

IrshaadH said:
where can I get ur background lol?
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Second best post here lol

emandt said:
After the official 2.3.4 OTA upgrade I've lost about 130Mb of RAM.
Nothing installed or changed from before to after the upgrade....but 130Mb were disappears.
I was usual to have 500Mb of free RAM but now that amount is reduced to 370....
Is there an explanation?
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I have noticed the same thing, but I'm not worried about it though. 350 MB is good enough for me. I went from Ken's beta 4 to the official OTA.
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Dell, sure....it's not the end of the world, however (as a programmer as I am) I can't find the reason why of that loss of free memory.
There is nothing for explain that drain of RAM.

emandt said:
Dell, sure....it's not the end of the world, however (as a programmer as I am) I can't find the reason why of that loss of free memory.
There is nothing for explain that drain of RAM.
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There is plenty to explain it. One small change in how aggressively the OS pages memory. If they relax it then it won't page as quickly resulting in less "free ram". Not that it matters at all though, you still have 370 MB free, why do you want the OS paging aggressively when you still have 370 MB free?

I reinstalled CherryBlur and skipped the blur install. I have 2 extended control Widgets and sense clock widget running and fauxs kernel and I'm getting 550mb free. I've been having a huge problem with unknown ram usage until now. I think it's blur eating up ram in background processes.

Sometimes a simple reboot opens up more ram for me. If you are really into software and programming, why aren't you modifying your phone with custom roms, kernels, etc? Im chilling at around 500+ megabytes of ram with the ninja rom.
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well mine says
836220 total
230196 free
224868 cached
i am on kenn's 4.5 beta, some moto apps frozen, stock home launcher, with apps like: twitter, liveprofile, whatsapp, facebook.

emandt said:
After the official 2.3.4 OTA upgrade I've lost about 130Mb of RAM.
Nothing installed or changed from before to after the upgrade....but 130Mb were disappears.
I was usual to have 500Mb of free RAM but now that amount is reduced to 370....
Is there an explanation?
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Hi,
Other than the obvious, that you are running Gingerbread vs Froyo? It isn't likely to be more video ram allocated, so it must be something extra running, another mode of an application that supports gingerbread in a different way than froyo, different versions of installed apps, a ramdisk/temp file/cache/swap added or different reporting of available ram.
If you have adb access, and are rooted, type cat /proc/meminfo. It gives you a break down of various mem usage. Setcpu also shows this.
Cheers!

franciscojavierleon said:
well mine says
836220 total
230196 free
224868 cached
i am on kenn's 4.5 beta, some moto apps frozen, stock home launcher, with apps like: twitter, liveprofile, whatsapp, facebook.
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+1
For total RAM I don't know why its around 800 MBs all of the sudden. Before I would have 900 something total and 500+ free now I'm at 120 free... Not happy at all.
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alphadg21 said:
If you are really into software and programming, why aren't you modifying your phone with custom roms, kernels, etc?
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1) phone warranty (the most important for a 500$ phone!!)
2) every CustomROM has some issue, and I do not want to do experiments. I want a full working phone 24h/24 in every functionality.

cwburns32 said:
+1
For total RAM I don't know why its around 800 MBs all of the sudden. Before I would have 900 something total and 500+ free now I'm at 120 free... Not happy at all.
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Best bet, download and run "System Panel" and find the memory hog apps.
Then freeze them with Titanium Backup...
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[Q] does this thing actually not save data to the sd card?

When I install for instance a Gameloft game it downloads data to the SD card, at least in any other device. On here it seems there is a /mnt/sdcard directory but its part of the internal storage? My actual SD card is listed as /mnt/external_SD and is basically blank.
This is nuts is there any way to fix this? If I had known it does this I would not have bought only an 8 gb tab. I am running the ICS update.

GL2SD
It's the best option that I've found without symlinking... I don't know why the manufacturers have to have there own directory structures.

JdgM3NT4L said:
GL2SD
It's the best option that I've found without symlinking... I don't know why the manufacturers have to have there own directory structures.
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Seriously? I have to root this tab to make it operate the way any normal unrooted phone or tablet work? Surely this has to be a mistake or a bug in how the ICS update was set up. Also this is not just a gameloft problem, EVERY app that has data has dumped it to internal.
I was thinking what if I copied all that sd data to my card, deleted the SD directory, and then renamed my card from external_SD to SDcard. Probably won't work my luck.
A couple of people here even commented in another thread that the card I got (class 4) may affect game performance, how could it if the games don't even go to it!
As for as I know this worked fine prior to ICS....

Rogue Leader said:
Seriously? I have to root this tab to make it operate the way any normal unrooted phone or tablet work? Surely this has to be a mistake or a bug in how the ICS update was set up. Also this is not just a gameloft problem, EVERY app that has data has dumped it to internal.
I was thinking what if I copied all that sd data to my card, deleted the SD directory, and then renamed my card from external_SD to SDcard. Probably won't work my luck.
A couple of people here even commented in another thread that the card I got (class 4) may affect game performance, how could it if the games don't even go to it!
As for as I know this worked fine prior to ICS....
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If your trying to Move the 300+ mb for the game to your external_sd card and its only a class 4 im willing to bet it would suffer playback issues and more lag than normal since class 4 is on the slower side of things :-\ apps to sd might help solve some of your problems not sure though...

Rogue Leader said:
Seriously? I have to root this tab to make it operate the way any normal unrooted phone or tablet work? Surely this has to be a mistake or a bug in how the ICS update was set up. Also this is not just a gameloft problem, EVERY app that has data has dumped it to internal.
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Seeing that you have a nook color all cm'd out and stuff, I am wondering why you are reluctant to cram a nice rom on that sucker and be done with it. My games play, my data goes to my external sd card, and I can overclock. Plus the acer ring is pretty sweet. The new tools and stuff make it way easier than the nook was a year ago.
It's either that or dump the tab bro. You don't seem to be having any fun...

gears177 said:
If your trying to Move the 300+ mb for the game to your external_sd card and its only a class 4 im willing to bet it would suffer playback issues and more lag than normal since class 4 is on the slower side of things :-\ apps to sd might help solve some of your problems not sure though...
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Unfortunately App2SD doesn't work, its for moving the apk to the SD card. Class 4 cards are fine, and the go-to card on my phone for example, which is far slower than the A500 but plays games (like Modern Combat 3) fine with no lag at all. Class 6 is about as fast as you can go as the classes higher than that are made for digital cameras and don't work as well for all I/O operations.
I'm looking for just the game install data to be on there, I'm ok with the physical apks not moving. But it doesn't seem to do that. I find it bizzare that there is a mnt/sdcard directory and yet its on internal memory. Een if I download stuff my download directory points to mnt/sdcard/download instead of mnt/external_SD.
JdgM3NT4L said:
Seeing that you have a nook color all cm'd out and stuff, I am wondering why you are reluctant to cram a nice rom on that sucker and be done with it. My games play, my data goes to my external sd card, and I can overclock. Plus the acer ring is pretty sweet. The new tools and stuff make it way easier than the nook was a year ago.
It's either that or dump the tab bro. You don't seem to be having any fun...
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Other than this issue I really do love it. Its very fast and seems to work great as is. If this issue was cured I would be perfectly happy with it as-is (although HD youtube playback can be crappy at times, but I don't really watch much youtube anyway).
If I have to I'll go ahead and root it, but It just bothers me that I bought this as new and it has this issue, that I'd rather just fix. Kinda helps to perpetuate the cycle of Android being more complicated than it should be.
So is there any way to have the A500 use the SD card the way any normal non-rooted phone or tab would? It seemed like it worked right on HC, but isn't working right on ICS. Maybe a factory reset and starting over with the SD card in from the start?

Where you been????? This is not an A500 problem, this is an Android Tablet problem. Ever since Google introduced Honeycomb the micro sdcard was taken out of the primary storage loop. That is why phones were never released with HC. Why Google went this route who knows but your sdcard is basically now a media storage card and what not. Games and most apps can't take advantage of it for storage unless you root it and go through a series of hacks. And all those do is disable the internal memory in favor of the sdcard. It really sucks, but an 8gb tablet is worthless. I returned mine and got a 32gb. Everyone hoped that ICS would change this but it didn't.

cruise350 said:
Where you been????? This is not an A500 problem, this is an Android Tablet problem. Ever since Google introduced Honeycomb the micro sdcard was taken out of the primary storage loop. That is why phones were never released with HC. Why Google went this route who knows but your sdcard is basically now a media storage card and what not. Games and most apps can't take advantage of it for storage unless you root it and go through a series of hacks. And all those do is disable the internal memory in favor of the sdcard. It really sucks, but an 8gb tablet is worthless. I returned mine and got a 32gb. Everyone hoped that ICS would change this but it didn't.
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can you just get a file explorer and move the data yourself?
there was also a soft modding tut to make the external the primary download spot and appear as the internal.

That is one of the mods you can try, my response was to the original OP bashing the A500 for this. I was trying to point out that this is not an A500 problem but an Android tablet problem with HC or ICS. Google should have made the internal memory just, that instead of calling it the sdcard. Forcing the actual sdcard to be called the external sdcard. This is where the problem lies, non of the developers of apps offer an option to save data to an external sdcard since that implies the sdcard will be removed and the app won't have it available.
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My phone (g2x) came set up like this too. Makes no sense. There are work arounds but IMO the best solution is to flash it with a better ROM. It solved the problem and gave me a better all around experience on both phone and tablet.
I know it sucks that you have to "fix" a new tablet...but honestly for me the customization is one of the great pluses of Android. Just my opinion.

cruise350 said:
Where you been????? This is not an A500 problem, this is an Android Tablet problem. Ever since Google introduced Honeycomb the micro sdcard was taken out of the primary storage loop. That is why phones were never released with HC. Why Google went this route who knows but your sdcard is basically now a media storage card and what not. Games and most apps can't take advantage of it for storage unless you root it and go through a series of hacks. And all those do is disable the internal memory in favor of the sdcard. It really sucks, but an 8gb tablet is worthless. I returned mine and got a 32gb. Everyone hoped that ICS would change this but it didn't.
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Ok finally, this makes sense (well it doesn't because it should just work right, but....). Does stock ICS behave this way on phones too? Aside from a beta of HC on my nook color, the highest version of Android I've used was 2.3.7 which I have now on my nook, so I was unaware of this.
Unfortunately mine is non returnable, I got it on eBay refurb from Acer. It was cheap, and honestly not completely useless with only 8gb, I just won't have much in the way of games. But in reality I play 99% of my games on my Xperia PLAY since thats what it was designed for. I would maybe have gone ahead and tried to set up a game controller on my A500, but now I'll just resolve to having to watch whats on there or.....
gears177 said:
can you just get a file explorer and move the data yourself?
there was also a soft modding tut to make the external the primary download spot and appear as the internal.
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Got a link to this?
bdkinney said:
My phone (g2x) came set up like this too. Makes no sense. There are work arounds but IMO the best solution is to flash it with a better ROM. It solved the problem and gave me a better all around experience on both phone and tablet.
I know it sucks that you have to "fix" a new tablet...but honestly for me the customization is one of the great pluses of Android. Just my opinion.
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Thats ridiculous as well. This partially eliminates one of the primary advantages of Android over iOS.
That said yes its nice to be able to customize of course, and I may end up just rooting it and using a custom rom. But theres always tradeoffs with that, and stock it works perfect except for this obviously inherent issue. Every GB rom I've used always had the occasional glitch here or there, where stock ones nailed it every time. Not to knock our devs out there, but in this case I have my nook and phone to screw with if I want to, I was hoping this would just work as is.

gears177 said:
can you just get a file explorer and move the data yourself?
there was also a soft modding tut to make the external the primary download spot and appear as the internal.
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Got a link to this?
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Anyone? Bueller?

Rogue Leader said:
Anyone? Bueller?
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from what i understand though only works on honeycomb as of now so you might have to rollback if you really want it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1445720
totally reversible too

gears177 said:
from what i understand though only works on honeycomb as of now so you might have to rollback if you really want it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1445720
totally reversible too
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Cool thanks

dont want to bring up old things but class 10 micro sdcards are actually preferred for smartphones and tablets was browsin walmart when i saw this hahaha...
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gears177 said:
dont want to bring up old things but class 10 micro sdcards are actually preferred for smartphones and tablets was browsin walmart when i saw this hahaha...
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No they definitely aren't. I don't have the link offhand, but Class 10 cards are good for taking video and pictures in cameras, but their I/O speeds are not as good as lower classes. There have been tons of tests on other forums on this site to confirm it.

Rogue Leader said:
No they definitely aren't. I don't have the link offhand, but Class 10 cards are good for taking video and pictures in cameras, but their I/O speeds are not as good as lower classes. There have been tons of tests on other forums on this site to confirm it.
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Are you saying wall-mart the all powerful money eater of America with their billions of products and customers would ever be wrong.......
correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the class refer to the write/read speed of the SD card....so playing HD video would be quicker and moving files from computer to tablet would be quicker.
so using a class ten card would be beneficial over a class 4 card?(just saying might be wrong)
these micro sd cards are said to be "perfect" for a smartphone all class ten.
http://m.staples.com/mt/www.staples...DHC-Class-10-Flash-Memory-Card/product_366335
http://pocketnow.com/phones/samsung...sd-card-for-smartphones?wpmp_switcher=desktop
Actual testing of a class 4 class 6 and class 10
http://blog.whitesites.com/microSDH...-Class-6-Class-2__634469748755468750_blog.htm

CM10-4.1.2- "Nobe"l-laureate (discontinued-get smoothbean now)

(11-8-2012) UPDATE - bug fixes,TWEAKS by NOBE, still needs GAPPS, needs a 350mb system partition, use the dirty-bean method of installation. 5735 on antutu right out of the gate. GAPPS,FACEBOOK, anything else that runs at startup, will s.........l.........o.........w you down, so just kill the startup process whenever you can to help preserve your high score. Im pretty sure these tweaks will find themselves in a themed rom, but I am gonna focus on making paranoidandroid what it should be, and this I would like this one to be handed off to the guy who pimped it out, but of course I will run the builds from my environment if need be. Here is the update for you guys.
(Tweaked)
http://d-h.st/KPU
P.S.- Did you go buy someone from TeamDRH a beer yet? Did you go buy Fosser some "coffee?"
Or.... you can contribute to nobe's "wife needs her own tablet fund"
and go hit thanks on a post from any of these guys.
_______________________________________________________________________________
THis is pure CM10, built from source. It has one modification, and that is forced tablet UI. You will be in tablet mode no matter what dpi you set in build.prop.
It needs audio policy fix for hdmi audio, and probably some trimming. This is for Nobe to do his SMOOTH thing or Black Jelly thing, it is not to be considered "ready to roll" as much as it is for crack flashers or people who want a blank canvas. This is just pure CyanogenMod10 goodness.
I will answer questions and try to help but please dont expect it to be polished and shiny. It is however nice and fast and capable.
Work calls and I have to go out of town for the rest of the week, so I will not have access to my build machine, but I wanted to get this out for nobe before I left.
Please use install instructions from one of Nobe's roms, or of course you can use teamdrh's 350meg setup as well.
I will probably need a mirror if someone could because I procrastinate and havent set up an account at dev-host yet.
Enjoy.........
(Original non tweaked build)
http://d-h.st/eRZ
As usual, go find a teamdrh member and hit that thanks button, because you know we got nothing without them.
It wouldnt hurt to buy them a couple of beers either.

redeyedjedi said:
THis is pure CM10, built from source. It has one modification, and that is forced tablet UI. You will be in tablet mode no matter what dpi you set in build.prop.
It needs audio policy fix for hdmi audio, and probably some trimming. This is for Nobe to do his SMOOTH thing or Black Jelly thing, it is not to be considered "ready to roll" as much as it is for crack flashers or people who want a blank canvas. This is just pure CyanogenMod10 goodness.
I will answer questions and try to help but please dont expect it to be polished and shiny. It is however nice and fast and capable.
Work calls and I have to go out of town for the rest of the week, so I will not have access to my build machine, but I wanted to get this out for nobe before I left.
Please use install instructions from one of Nobe's roms, or of course you can use teamdrh's 350meg setup as well.
I will probably need a mirror if someone could because I procrastinate and havent set up an account at dev-host yet.
Enjoy.........
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/103503542/cm-10-TAB-UI-ONLY-UNOFFICIAL-smba1002.zip
As usual, go find a teamdrh member and hit that thanks button, because you know we got nothing without them.
It wouldnt hurt to buy them a couple of beers either.
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Mad scientist at it again. I got. A feeling we are gonna get a gang of rom goodness dropped on us...
(-, N©†£ BLACK ☆ \/ ïïï

I will shoot you a link to Mirror if that is alright. It will be exactly the same as you have posted, except different Host of course if thats is OK.

Now look what I can do in just an hour. That looks like a fine running machine right there.
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Yeah a link would be cool, I dont know how long the dropbox will last. Does this one like your tweaks more??? Do you want the regular version of this that will do phone mode too?

redeyedjedi said:
Yeah a link would be cool, I dont know how long the dropbox will last. Does this one like your tweaks more??? Do you want the regular version of this that will do phone mode too?
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Yes sir it does. I am still rocking the place and have both zram and swapon killing it of course. Haven't applied any gapps yet but will do later to see how she like them.
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nobe1976 said:
Now look what I can do in just an hour. That looks like a fine running machine right there.
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so the spec read out from the Gtab is that the 2D, 3D, Database IO, Sd card Write and Read are all faster than my TF201 running HB and on performance mode clocked at 1400 MHZ. I just have one question, does this little guy run choppy when switching apps? That is the reason I am avoiding JB on my Gtab for my wife. She complains that it would take forever when switching between apps. I have also noticed that when opening an app on JB it would take it forever to load. I was just wondering if you are seeing overall improvement on the system.

feyerbrand said:
so the spec read out from the Gtab is that the 2D, 3D, Database IO, Sd card Write and Read are all faster than my TF201 running HB and on performance mode clocked at 1400 MHZ. I just have one question, does this little guy run choppy when switching apps? That is the reason I am avoiding JB on my Gtab for my wife. She complains that it would take forever when switching between apps. I have also noticed that when opening an app on JB it would take it forever to load. I was just wondering if you are seeing overall improvement on the system.
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We run out of RAM on big games, everything else FEELS better than tf101, acer a500, in my experience. Nobe has two different roms, and I have paranoidandroid and this one. Out of the four, you are bound to find one that you like. No stock camera is the other negative though.

redeyedjedi said:
We run out of RAM on big games, everything else FEELS better than tf101, acer a500, in my experience. Nobe has two different roms, and I have paranoidandroid and this one. Out of the four, you are bound to find one that you like. No stock camera is the other negative though.
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I saw paranoidandroid get dropped the other day, but haven't gotten around to flashing it since my wife is busy with her tablet (She doesn't like me taking it away and testing roms on it very often) but I did test both of Nobes and they felt sluggish and choppy. From basic tasks like changing screens opening the app tray checking the play store and checking Facebook... to anything else. I love Jelly bean on my phone and tablet, and I even put Jelly bean on my wife's phone and she loves it. The problem is it hasn't played well with the g-tab yet. I will keep watching though to see what results come of this in the future.

Thank you
Wow... you are a monster!
The gTablet is alive ...again!!!!!!!!!
I got really close to selling mine the other day, now I'm glad I did not. I've had it since November of 2010!
Does this require 350MB or 300MB system partition?
Thank you

Now granted guys that screenshot was done with the modified adjustments that I put in it. Once I see that Google play plays nice with it. I will shoot a upload link to the OP so he can test it and apply it to the post.
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kozmo2k4 said:
Wow... you are a monster!
The gTablet is alive ...again!!!!!!!!!
I got really close to selling mine the other day, now I'm glad I did not. I've had it since November of 2010!
Does this require 350MB or 300MB system partition?
Thank you
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Just for the sake of argument, run this with 350 if you plan on gaming or multi tasking. Both work well I just have been testing with 350 and seam to be turi g out well.
(-, N©†£ BLACK ☆ \/ ïïï

JEZZEJAMEZ said:
Just for the sake of argument, run this with 350 if you plan on gaming or multi tasking. Both work well I just have been testing with 350 and seam to be turi g out well.
(-, N©†£ BLACK ☆ \/ ïïï
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Running a 350m Partition and turned on some things in liberty.cfg. I think that I am just about ready to Black and Smooth this out.

nobe1976 said:
running a 350m partition and turned on some things in liberty.cfg. I think that i am just about ready to black and smooth this out.
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sob. Thats score is solid.
(-, n©†£ black ☆ \/ ïïï

If we're coming from the team drh setup/rom can we just backup and flash?

rozelle25 said:
If we're coming from the team drh setup/rom can we just backup and flash?
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As long as it is the Dirty Bean setup. If you are planning on adding gapps then you must have a 350m system for everything to work right.
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with the smooth version are you going to keep the original AOSP look and feel?

Yes, 350MB on /system is a must: after flashing ROM and gapps-20121011 over 300MB, there was only about 60kb left in system partition, not enough to even update host file.
The interesting thing was, it was running really, REALLY fast and smooth! No lag whatsoever. The extra available RAM made a HUGE difference.
I'm going to try to "trim" some stuff from the ROM (like CMWallpapers.apk is 8MB, VideoEditor.apk and LiveWallpapers stuff), and gapps (Thinkfree is almost 8MB) and then flash again; we'll see if it will flash on 300MB and run stable.
The more available RAM the better!
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One thing I did notice: when you insert MicroSD card, the system will unmount the internal sdcard....

Nice , full gapps ,tsf shell running..
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Here is the new score..
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