When I install for instance a Gameloft game it downloads data to the SD card, at least in any other device. On here it seems there is a /mnt/sdcard directory but its part of the internal storage? My actual SD card is listed as /mnt/external_SD and is basically blank.
This is nuts is there any way to fix this? If I had known it does this I would not have bought only an 8 gb tab. I am running the ICS update.
GL2SD
It's the best option that I've found without symlinking... I don't know why the manufacturers have to have there own directory structures.
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GL2SD
It's the best option that I've found without symlinking... I don't know why the manufacturers have to have there own directory structures.
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Seriously? I have to root this tab to make it operate the way any normal unrooted phone or tablet work? Surely this has to be a mistake or a bug in how the ICS update was set up. Also this is not just a gameloft problem, EVERY app that has data has dumped it to internal.
I was thinking what if I copied all that sd data to my card, deleted the SD directory, and then renamed my card from external_SD to SDcard. Probably won't work my luck.
A couple of people here even commented in another thread that the card I got (class 4) may affect game performance, how could it if the games don't even go to it!
As for as I know this worked fine prior to ICS....
Rogue Leader said:
Seriously? I have to root this tab to make it operate the way any normal unrooted phone or tablet work? Surely this has to be a mistake or a bug in how the ICS update was set up. Also this is not just a gameloft problem, EVERY app that has data has dumped it to internal.
I was thinking what if I copied all that sd data to my card, deleted the SD directory, and then renamed my card from external_SD to SDcard. Probably won't work my luck.
A couple of people here even commented in another thread that the card I got (class 4) may affect game performance, how could it if the games don't even go to it!
As for as I know this worked fine prior to ICS....
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If your trying to Move the 300+ mb for the game to your external_sd card and its only a class 4 im willing to bet it would suffer playback issues and more lag than normal since class 4 is on the slower side of things :-\ apps to sd might help solve some of your problems not sure though...
Rogue Leader said:
Seriously? I have to root this tab to make it operate the way any normal unrooted phone or tablet work? Surely this has to be a mistake or a bug in how the ICS update was set up. Also this is not just a gameloft problem, EVERY app that has data has dumped it to internal.
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Seeing that you have a nook color all cm'd out and stuff, I am wondering why you are reluctant to cram a nice rom on that sucker and be done with it. My games play, my data goes to my external sd card, and I can overclock. Plus the acer ring is pretty sweet. The new tools and stuff make it way easier than the nook was a year ago.
It's either that or dump the tab bro. You don't seem to be having any fun...
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If your trying to Move the 300+ mb for the game to your external_sd card and its only a class 4 im willing to bet it would suffer playback issues and more lag than normal since class 4 is on the slower side of things :-\ apps to sd might help solve some of your problems not sure though...
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Unfortunately App2SD doesn't work, its for moving the apk to the SD card. Class 4 cards are fine, and the go-to card on my phone for example, which is far slower than the A500 but plays games (like Modern Combat 3) fine with no lag at all. Class 6 is about as fast as you can go as the classes higher than that are made for digital cameras and don't work as well for all I/O operations.
I'm looking for just the game install data to be on there, I'm ok with the physical apks not moving. But it doesn't seem to do that. I find it bizzare that there is a mnt/sdcard directory and yet its on internal memory. Een if I download stuff my download directory points to mnt/sdcard/download instead of mnt/external_SD.
JdgM3NT4L said:
Seeing that you have a nook color all cm'd out and stuff, I am wondering why you are reluctant to cram a nice rom on that sucker and be done with it. My games play, my data goes to my external sd card, and I can overclock. Plus the acer ring is pretty sweet. The new tools and stuff make it way easier than the nook was a year ago.
It's either that or dump the tab bro. You don't seem to be having any fun...
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Other than this issue I really do love it. Its very fast and seems to work great as is. If this issue was cured I would be perfectly happy with it as-is (although HD youtube playback can be crappy at times, but I don't really watch much youtube anyway).
If I have to I'll go ahead and root it, but It just bothers me that I bought this as new and it has this issue, that I'd rather just fix. Kinda helps to perpetuate the cycle of Android being more complicated than it should be.
So is there any way to have the A500 use the SD card the way any normal non-rooted phone or tab would? It seemed like it worked right on HC, but isn't working right on ICS. Maybe a factory reset and starting over with the SD card in from the start?
Where you been????? This is not an A500 problem, this is an Android Tablet problem. Ever since Google introduced Honeycomb the micro sdcard was taken out of the primary storage loop. That is why phones were never released with HC. Why Google went this route who knows but your sdcard is basically now a media storage card and what not. Games and most apps can't take advantage of it for storage unless you root it and go through a series of hacks. And all those do is disable the internal memory in favor of the sdcard. It really sucks, but an 8gb tablet is worthless. I returned mine and got a 32gb. Everyone hoped that ICS would change this but it didn't.
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Where you been????? This is not an A500 problem, this is an Android Tablet problem. Ever since Google introduced Honeycomb the micro sdcard was taken out of the primary storage loop. That is why phones were never released with HC. Why Google went this route who knows but your sdcard is basically now a media storage card and what not. Games and most apps can't take advantage of it for storage unless you root it and go through a series of hacks. And all those do is disable the internal memory in favor of the sdcard. It really sucks, but an 8gb tablet is worthless. I returned mine and got a 32gb. Everyone hoped that ICS would change this but it didn't.
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can you just get a file explorer and move the data yourself?
there was also a soft modding tut to make the external the primary download spot and appear as the internal.
That is one of the mods you can try, my response was to the original OP bashing the A500 for this. I was trying to point out that this is not an A500 problem but an Android tablet problem with HC or ICS. Google should have made the internal memory just, that instead of calling it the sdcard. Forcing the actual sdcard to be called the external sdcard. This is where the problem lies, non of the developers of apps offer an option to save data to an external sdcard since that implies the sdcard will be removed and the app won't have it available.
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My phone (g2x) came set up like this too. Makes no sense. There are work arounds but IMO the best solution is to flash it with a better ROM. It solved the problem and gave me a better all around experience on both phone and tablet.
I know it sucks that you have to "fix" a new tablet...but honestly for me the customization is one of the great pluses of Android. Just my opinion.
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Where you been????? This is not an A500 problem, this is an Android Tablet problem. Ever since Google introduced Honeycomb the micro sdcard was taken out of the primary storage loop. That is why phones were never released with HC. Why Google went this route who knows but your sdcard is basically now a media storage card and what not. Games and most apps can't take advantage of it for storage unless you root it and go through a series of hacks. And all those do is disable the internal memory in favor of the sdcard. It really sucks, but an 8gb tablet is worthless. I returned mine and got a 32gb. Everyone hoped that ICS would change this but it didn't.
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Ok finally, this makes sense (well it doesn't because it should just work right, but....). Does stock ICS behave this way on phones too? Aside from a beta of HC on my nook color, the highest version of Android I've used was 2.3.7 which I have now on my nook, so I was unaware of this.
Unfortunately mine is non returnable, I got it on eBay refurb from Acer. It was cheap, and honestly not completely useless with only 8gb, I just won't have much in the way of games. But in reality I play 99% of my games on my Xperia PLAY since thats what it was designed for. I would maybe have gone ahead and tried to set up a game controller on my A500, but now I'll just resolve to having to watch whats on there or.....
gears177 said:
can you just get a file explorer and move the data yourself?
there was also a soft modding tut to make the external the primary download spot and appear as the internal.
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Got a link to this?
bdkinney said:
My phone (g2x) came set up like this too. Makes no sense. There are work arounds but IMO the best solution is to flash it with a better ROM. It solved the problem and gave me a better all around experience on both phone and tablet.
I know it sucks that you have to "fix" a new tablet...but honestly for me the customization is one of the great pluses of Android. Just my opinion.
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Thats ridiculous as well. This partially eliminates one of the primary advantages of Android over iOS.
That said yes its nice to be able to customize of course, and I may end up just rooting it and using a custom rom. But theres always tradeoffs with that, and stock it works perfect except for this obviously inherent issue. Every GB rom I've used always had the occasional glitch here or there, where stock ones nailed it every time. Not to knock our devs out there, but in this case I have my nook and phone to screw with if I want to, I was hoping this would just work as is.
gears177 said:
can you just get a file explorer and move the data yourself?
there was also a soft modding tut to make the external the primary download spot and appear as the internal.
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Got a link to this?
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Anyone? Bueller?
Rogue Leader said:
Anyone? Bueller?
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from what i understand though only works on honeycomb as of now so you might have to rollback if you really want it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1445720
totally reversible too
gears177 said:
from what i understand though only works on honeycomb as of now so you might have to rollback if you really want it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1445720
totally reversible too
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Cool thanks
dont want to bring up old things but class 10 micro sdcards are actually preferred for smartphones and tablets was browsin walmart when i saw this hahaha...
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dont want to bring up old things but class 10 micro sdcards are actually preferred for smartphones and tablets was browsin walmart when i saw this hahaha...
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No they definitely aren't. I don't have the link offhand, but Class 10 cards are good for taking video and pictures in cameras, but their I/O speeds are not as good as lower classes. There have been tons of tests on other forums on this site to confirm it.
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No they definitely aren't. I don't have the link offhand, but Class 10 cards are good for taking video and pictures in cameras, but their I/O speeds are not as good as lower classes. There have been tons of tests on other forums on this site to confirm it.
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Are you saying wall-mart the all powerful money eater of America with their billions of products and customers would ever be wrong.......
correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the class refer to the write/read speed of the SD card....so playing HD video would be quicker and moving files from computer to tablet would be quicker.
so using a class ten card would be beneficial over a class 4 card?(just saying might be wrong)
these micro sd cards are said to be "perfect" for a smartphone all class ten.
http://m.staples.com/mt/www.staples...DHC-Class-10-Flash-Memory-Card/product_366335
http://pocketnow.com/phones/samsung...sd-card-for-smartphones?wpmp_switcher=desktop
Actual testing of a class 4 class 6 and class 10
http://blog.whitesites.com/microSDH...-Class-6-Class-2__634469748755468750_blog.htm
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I did some recording, of nothing in particular, just around the house and after I finished I went to play it, and after about 5 minutes I assume it must of frozen or something as it was still on that loading screen...
Another faiure by htc -_- , has anyone had the same problems and/or found solutions?
Thanks
My HD2 has no problems as you're describing, so your post title is completely misleading.
However, have you tweaked the recording settings? Are you storing the footage on your Micro SD? What speed is it?
We need more info to try to help you
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My HD2 has no problems as you're describing, so your post title is completely misleading.
However, have you tweaked the recording settings? Are you storing the footage on your Micro SD? What speed is it?
We need more info to try to help you
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Yeah I am saving it to memory card, but Im not sure what speed it is, theres a 2 with a circle round it, does that help?
thanks for the response
That's means it's a class 2 card, which is slow, trying changing where it stores to say like the internal memory and see if the problem persists. If it doesn't, then buy yourself a class 4 or 6 micro SD card.
xavierdemon said:
That's means it's a class 2 card, which is slow, trying changing where it stores to say like the internal memory and see if the problem persists. If it doesn't, then buy yourself a class 4 or 6 micro SD card.
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ahh ok, well that sucks
Hopefully amazon will do a full return, do they sell them as class 2/4/6 or is it just random?
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I did some recording, of nothing in particular, just around the house and after I finished I went to play it, and after about 5 minutes I assume it must of frozen or something as it was still on that loading screen...
Another faiure by htc -_- , has anyone had the same problems and/or found solutions?
Thanks
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I just made a video of 4:45 and it played back instantly. Took about a second on the loading screen.
Do us a favour - stop finding faults and then posting them and instantly claiming a fail on the part of HTC. You need to investigate issues a little more before start complaining. How about starting with the attitude that there may be something wrong, rather than the attitude that there is something wrong.
I am using a 16GB Class 2 SanDisk card, and saving vid directly to the card, so unless your card is faulty, I can't see it being that.
As johncmolyneux stated it's probably just your sd card is screwed, you could try just reformatting and see if that helps. If you decide to buy a new SD card, they will clearly state their speed, whether it be class 2, 4 or 6. Obviously the faster you go the more you'll pay.
I just made a video of 4:45 and it played back instantly. Took about a second on the loading screen.
Do us a favour - stop finding faults and then posting them and instantly claiming a fail on the part of HTC. You need to investigate issues a little more before start complaining. How about starting with the attitude that there may be something wrong, rather than the attitude that there is something wrong.
I am using a 16GB Class 2 SanDisk card, and saving vid directly to the card, so unless your card is faulty, I can't see it being that.
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Sorry I did kinda jump down their throats :3
As johncmolyneux stated it's probably just your sd card is screwed, you could try just reformatting and see if that helps. If you decide to buy a new SD card, they will clearly state their speed, whether it be class 2, 4 or 6. Obviously the faster you go the more you'll pay.
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Yeah maybe I'll try formatting, if not I guess I'll have to return it
I have tried formatting it, yet t still cant seem to play even 13 seconds worth of video. I switched the save locations to the device, still nothing.
I do however have a hunch, there is 1 video that I recorded that I can play on there, and its one I took the night I got the phone, before switching my settings and installing extra modes from damien123_666, so maybe the settings are too high quality and the phone is strugging with them? Maybe when I update the rom it will be more able to cope with higher quality videos
thoughts?
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I have tried formatting it, yet t still cant seem to play even 13 seconds worth of video. I switched the save locations to the device, still nothing.
I do however have a hunch, there is 1 video that I recorded that I can play on there, and its one I took the night I got the phone, before switching my settings and installing extra modes from damien123_666, so maybe the settings are too high quality and the phone is strugging with them? Maybe when I update the rom it will be more able to cope with higher quality videos
thoughts?
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If you can bear it without too much hassle, do a hard reset and see if the problem persists. It sounds like you could be on the right track, but I'm sure there's a lot of people who have done the camera tweaks. Maybe ask in the thread in question to see if anyone has noticed this problem.
johncmolyneux said:
If you can bear it without too much hassle, do a hard reset and see if the problem persists. It sounds like you could be on the right track, but I'm sure there's a lot of people who have done the camera tweaks. Maybe ask in the thread in question to see if anyone has noticed this problem.
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Well Im gonna flash a custom rom today, so Ill see if that makes a difference
Update: Installed XannyTechs Pandora rom today, camera now running great again, can play back and all is swell
Apart from the now faint pink mark is still there
OK, so I am running Damages latest release, only with the Trev mods. (this alone might be the issue, can you help me find out?)
Every ROM I've ever run, even rooted stock, I've always sat on MINIMUM 110m free internal memory. As you can see, Im barely sitting on 80m. I remove just about EVERYTHING stock other than Sense and its main widgets (clocks, mail, bookmarks, calender, and music) along with all that useless nonsense (stocks, nfl, twitter, flickr, the whole nine yards) I've been sitting on 159m free before, and I like to keep it that way (between 110 and 159). I do what I always do when I install a new ROM, I use Root Explorer, multiselect, and delete EVERRRYTHING. I cannot figure out what is running up my free space. Linda claims I'm using 72m of my 159m free space for apps, which is NOT true, as I've only installed 8 apps outside of what came with the ROM and what I removed. I usually am using about 20-50 (when I go download happy on weekends)
This picture is of the free RAM I have (God I love estrong and the widgets) which seems to be OK-ish, generally I have over 90, 106 when things are real good (back on DCV1 100 was my MIN at all times!!)
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This is of my SD card and internal storage...yuck!!!
Here's Linda's claim of 45% used up already, with only 8 apps installed.
Heres the 8 apps ive installed
There is something horribly wrong, help?!?!
the OS takes up space and your in the /system partition.
89 mb is fine.
please stop making threads for pointless things.
Avalaunchmods said:
the OS takes up space and your in the /system partition.
89 mb is fine.
please stop making threads for pointless things.
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i know perfectly well 89 is ok for ram, but what do you mean im in the /system partition?
this not pointless avalaunch, we've always been cool, dont claim there is no reason for my point. all my posts are legitimate. i dont understand what is happening, and would appreciate help over attitude.
im noticing a major lag too, something is wrong. avalaunch, ease, explain to me what im missing. linda has always said ive had 20-50 used up for apps, at its climax, why is it so high now? why is my phone telling me i have less than 90m free internally, when i garuntee if i nandroid back to dcv1, i know all these things will be fixed.
i dont understand, im asking for help, could you please supply it, or just not respond at all?
read the signature
What ever happened to the days where someone had a question and someone had an answer. why does the first douche bag in a forum have to go in someone's post and call it pointless? since when is it pointless to ask questions? douche..
Powers16 said:
What ever happened to the days where someone had a question and someone had an answer. why does the first douche bag in a forum have to go in someone's post and call it pointless? since when is it pointless to ask questions? douche..
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ok lets.not start flaming. avalaunche os actually a cool guy, hes helped me out before. i guess hes grumpy today or something.
i feel embarassed cause this is such a noob question, but i truely dont understand. can someone help, please?
I actually have noticed the same problem, when using a2sd ive always had only used 30MB or so, but not it says im using almost 3 times as much, Maybe it has something to do with the rom and a2sd being messed up. but it stated with these sprint leaks, before with every rom it was much less internal memory being used up.. dont know what causes it.
digitalscars said:
I actually have noticed the same problem, when using a2sd ive always had only used 30MB or so, but not it says im using almost 3 times as much, Maybe it has something to do with the rom and a2sd being messed up. but it stated with these sprint leaks, before with every rom it was much less internal memory being used up.. dont know what causes it.
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im not using a2sd
is that automatic in damagedtrev? like if you flash it, no matter what its going to partition and set it up?
ive nevvver used a2sd, i have no need, i keep my phone minimal. how do i tell if im using a2sd, and htf do i stop it?
I would like to know if there is an answer to this as well. I have also always shown over 100 plus meg free after installing all my apps.
redram38 said:
I would like to know if there is an answer to this as well. I have also always shown over 100 plus meg free after installing all my apps.
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so much for being pointless.
are you running damagedtrev damage, or regaw?
mountaindont said:
i know perfectly well 89 is ok for ram, but what do you mean im in the /system partition?
this not pointless avalaunch, we've always been cool, dont claim there is no reason for my point. all my posts are legitimate. i dont understand what is happening, and would appreciate help over attitude.
im noticing a major lag too, something is wrong. avalaunch, ease, explain to me what im missing. linda has always said ive had 20-50 used up for apps, at its climax, why is it so high now? why is my phone telling me i have less than 90m free internally, when i garuntee if i nandroid back to dcv1, i know all these things will be fixed.
i dont understand, im asking for help, could you please supply it, or just not respond at all?
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My question is...the comparisons you are performing here, are they based on a 1.5 ROM (since I saw stock rom mentioned)? If so, 2.1 has larger files as part of the base system that will take up more space.
I currently have 84.02MB
This is making me wonder also. I am looking at my info and says system is using 97 with 61 free, I am using a2sd and last time similar setup i was well over 120 free. May have to check a diff rom tomorrow to see if there is maybe something with it. and although my busybox df -h shows sdcard/sd if i type a2sd in adb i get a2sd: not found. This is in fresh 2.0d btw
Since you only have 8 apps installed, the OS itself must be using up the rest of the internal memory. My guess is that the ROM's based off the newer Sprint leaks haven't been fully optimized yet to the extent that the Eris-based ROM's were. When the devs have had more time to tweak everything, you'll probably see those numbers go down. Do you need that much internal memory free? The amount of free internal memory you have is not going to affect the performance of your phone (well...maybe if it's completely full). I don't think you really need to worry about it.
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My question is...the comparisons you are performing here, are they based on a 1.5 ROM (since I saw stock rom mentioned)? If so, 2.1 has larger files as part of the base system that will take up more space.
I currently have 84.02MB
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no man! lol, ive been running 2.1 since damage .9x
any ideas?
tia
mountaindont said:
so much for being pointless.
are you running damagedtrev damage, or regaw?
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I have actually used all 3 including the new Fresh 2.1 rom and it is the same. I just figured the OS was larger with it being 2.1 but did not know for sure. IMO nothing is pointless if someone wants to know something, esp when you can search for this and find nothing.
dametzg said:
Since you only have 8 apps installed, the OS itself must be using up the rest of the internal memory. My guess is that the ROM's based off the newer Sprint leaks haven't been fully optimized yet to the extent that the Eris-based ROM's were. When the devs have had more time to tweak everything, you'll probably see those numbers go down. Do you need that much internal memory free? The amount of free internal memory you have is not going to affect the performance of your phone (well...maybe if it's completely full). I don't think you really need to worry about it.
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ok, i can see that. the os is new and not fully optimized and is eating my internal storage. but why is linda claiming im using 45%, when theres just noooo way?
any ideas?
tia
I am comparing roms like darchlegend and eris leaks, all 2.1, but not that im using sprint, my internal memory has been significantly lower. I know a2sd is automatic, but knowing they had problems with it before not sure if something is still messed up. a2sd would be only activated (how its supposed to work) when your sd card is partitioned, which mine is. so you would think using a2sd in my case mine should be even lower than yours.
I know to disable a2sd, make sure your sd card is not partioned with ext file system. Only have swap and fat32. I just checked my phone and have 101 mb free in the system. Have Fresh2.0d (his newest ROM) flashed right now. Will reflash Regaw's and see what I have.
digitalscars said:
I actually have noticed the same problem, when using a2sd ive always had only used 30MB or so, but not it says im using almost 3 times as much, Maybe it has something to do with the rom and a2sd being messed up. but it stated with these sprint leaks, before with every rom it was much less internal memory being used up.. dont know what causes it.
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DamageControl 2.5 has a newer A2SD that should fix several issues, especially with A2SD not setting things up correctly. But, I can take a look at the issue for you.
Before going into ADB shell, type adb remount to mount your filesystem in read-write mode.
Now, go into ADB shell, at the prompt type:
ls -l /data
Look at the app entry. If it has "-> /system/sd/app" to the right of the entry, then the apps are going to the SD card. If not, you can type the following commands to make it work:
cp /data/app/* /system/sd/app
cp /data/app-private/* /system/sd/app-private
rm -f /data/app
rm -f /data/app-private
ln -s /system/sd/app /data/app
ln -s /system/sd/app-private /data/app-private
Hope that helps.
redram38 said:
I have actually used all 3 including the new Fresh 2.1 rom and it is the same. I just figured the OS was larger with it being 2.1 but did not know for sure. IMO nothing is pointless if someone wants to know something, esp when you can search for this and find nothing.
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ill be honest, given damage seems to be the most popular rom, searching his threads have become such a hassle, its become a general consensus to post a new.thread with a bug not reported in his OP/change logs. i know its cluttery, but ive asked several questions in his threads, for them to get buried seconds later, and searching only brings up the oroginal question you had posted.
avalaunch said i was in system partition. what does that mean?
I was using DamagedTrev light, and tried everything to get my Hero to sleep but it wouldnt. Using the free memory widget, and checking my phone through out the day at work i could watch the ram get depleted until the phone became unusable and i would have to pull the battery. I never figured out what was causing it, as i had fixed my PRI, and my TWS was 0%. I have since changed ROMs, sorry i couldnt be of more help.
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sdcard partition vs. emulated sdcard (datamedia)
Let me start off by listing a few facts/assumptions:
ATM we're running our Android TouchPads with a "sdcard" on a separate partition which is in fact the media partition also used by WebOS.
We have the option to extend the data partition by any size necessary (e.g. with jcsullins update.zips).
Mostly, a tablet is used as an additional multimedia device. Therefore most users tend to have a bunch of apps/games/media stored on their tablets.
Storage space is scarce for some and unconvinient to manage - move apps back and forth to and from the sdcard.
Most of the TouchPad users don't utilise WebOS anymore
So, we could resize WebOS' media partition to a rather small size, say 512MB, extend the cm-data partition to the remaining size and use the datamedia method as common on many modern handsets/tablets.
i.e. "sdcard" and /data storage space is shared and self-managed. The sdcard then resides in an emulated fat partition at /data/media.
For reference just have a look at some devices that use this method. e.g. all nexus devices since galaxy nexus.
Let me know what you think about this.
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What would this mean for webOS? Would it take away any kind of performance or anything from that side? I don't use webOS as much as I use to. But any future development that happens on the webOS side, I want to be able to keep up to date with.
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i.e. "sdcard" and /data storage space is shared and self-managed. The sdcard then resides in an emulated fat partition at /data/media.
For reference just have a look at some devices that use this method. e.g. all nexus devices since galaxy nexus.
Let me know what you think about this.
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What effect will this have on a factory wipe? Will the data and the sdcard both be wiped? One of the distinct advantages of the current separate partition is that data is still available after a factory reset; you can just reload everything using Titanium Backup.
If there was a way to include all webos utilities in android itself (like PmA6Updater/etc):
I would prefer if we could completely nuke webos and directly flash everything directly into partitions like a native android device. (yea that's prob not gonna happen any time soon, if ever)
I know I'm not the only one that doesnt use webos beyond the fact that some TP utilities are only usable in webos.
Summary: all the space goes to android, /data/media makes it easier to manage apps since we use MTP anyway.
I strongly oppose this form of "emulated storage." Here are my reasons:
It's just as easy to resize an unmounted FAT32 filesystem as it is to resize an unmounted ext4 one.
As the developer of nsboot I have made it so you can boot multiple versions of Android from one menu. This would undermine that effort, and possible require hackery like bind mounting or symbolic linking (neither of which I can guarantee to work) for the "SD card"'s contents to appear in all Android versions.
With native OSes like Ubuntu, we can now access the SD card as /mnt/sdcard, mostly following the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) for desktop Linux. On Ubuntu at least, I distribute symlinks for ~/Downloads (=> sdcard/Download), ~/Pictures (=> sdcarfd/DCIM), ~/Music, and ~/Videos. This would royally mess that up as well.
IMO, there should be a nonremovable SD card/MMC partition/LVM volume (in our case) mounted at /sdcard, just as it was supposed to be on Android, before Google and all the device makers started going on crusades over where to mount SD cards, crippled them slightly with Honeycomb, and then Google committed the truly evil act of omitting five dollar SD card slots on Nexus devices. The on screen softkeys were bad enough...
webOS is mostly dead, but it still is the only OS you have in certain circumstances, and is not recommended to remove. Let's not abuse it.
This would mean MTP was required to access the contents while running Android, and possibly render mounting from recovery undoable. MTP is a steaming pile of garbage. It's incompatible, and it's slow even when it does work.
I'm willing to try it.
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I never use WebOS and haven't since I installed android.
Now CM 10.1 is (to me) completely stable I can't see myself needing to use it ever again. I don't run multiple OS's so I can't personally see any reason not to give this a go.
At the end of the day it's up to the user to decide if they want to keep multi boot OS support or have a better performing android system.
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[/COLOR]my wish come true!!! please do it I am not use web os anymore android its perfect stable and Smooth,better,fast
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What would this mean for webOS? Would it take away any kind of performance or anything from that side?
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we wouldn't remove the webOS media partition but resize it to a smaller size; you could choose how small it should be - if you don't use it at all 512mb is enough to boot into webOS, do some stuff (flash battery firmware, test hardware functionality, etc).
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What effect will this have on a factory wipe? Will the data and the sdcard both be wiped? One of the distinct advantages of the current separate partition is that data is still available after a factory reset; you can just reload everything using Titanium Backup.
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/data/media is omitted when doing a factory reset (a newly built cwm required). just like a real sdcard(partition).
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As the developer of nsboot I have made it so you can boot multiple versions of Android from one menu. This would undermine that effort, and possible require hackery like bind mounting or symbolic linking (neither of which I can guarantee to work) for the "SD card"'s contents to appear in all Android versions.
With native OSes like Ubuntu, we can now access the SD card as /mnt/sdcard, mostly following the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) for desktop Linux. On Ubuntu at least, I distribute symlinks for ~/Downloads (=> sdcard/Download), ~/Pictures (=> sdcarfd/DCIM), ~/Music, and ~/Videos. This would royally mess that up as well.
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first, thanks for your thoughts, i fully understand your concerns.
but still, every user could decide on his own whether he would like to utilise multiboot functionality or have the maximum convinience on a single-boot device.
if one doesnt wan't to migrate to the newer layout, there's no pressure to actually do so.
what i was thinking of is to actually mount the sdcard partition additionally as "external_sd" so that a portion of the original partition remains for the purposes you mentioned. one would still have additional space on the sdcard partition and store music, videos, etc on it.
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IMO, there should be a nonremovable SD card/MMC partition/LVM volume (in our case) mounted at /sdcard, just as it was supposed to be on Android, before Google and all the device makers started going on crusades over where to mount SD cards, crippled them slightly with Honeycomb, and then Google committed the truly evil act of omitting five dollar SD card slots on Nexus devices.
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well, as i explained, the datamedia storage method is much more convinient on a device without a dedicated sdcard slot (as tenderloin).
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The on screen softkeys were bad enough...
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imagine android on the touchpad without them...
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webOS is mostly dead, but it still is the only OS you have in certain circumstances, and is not recommended to remove. Let's not abuse it.
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as stated above, we wouldn'd ditch webOS completely, we would just shrink its playground to a cozy little size.
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This would mean MTP was required to access the contents while running Android, and possibly render mounting from recovery undoable. MTP is a steaming pile of garbage. It's incompatible, and it's slow even when it does work.
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it has it advantages and disadvantages. running linux and getting mtp to work is a pain in the butt. still, it allows transfering data back and forth w/o having to worry about unmounting any partition from the currently running os (e.g. android).
remember when your ringtone resetted because you have it stored on the sdcard...
I think the this would be great. I would love to have more space for just Android. I cannot remember the last time I booted into webos. With the option to foot in or out, I don't see the negative here.
I never use WebOS anymore, so anything that shrinks the impact it has on my device is worth trying.
it is best to not give up webos as it is still needed for some low compressed 720p and 1080p content.
even today, android on the HP touchpad offers nowhere close to the HD video playback performance as present on webos using a player such as the kalemsoft media player.
same applies to flash performance (eg try 1080p youtube videos on android and then try them on webos)
webOS just has better acceleration and until android can beat webOS in all apsects of performance it is best to not give it up.
Razor512 said:
it is best to not give up webos as it is still needed for some low compressed 720p and 1080p content.
even today, android on the HP touchpad offers nowhere close to the HD video playback performance as present on webos using a player such as the kalemsoft media player.
same applies to flash performance (eg try 1080p youtube videos on android and then try them on webos)
webOS just has better acceleration and until android can beat webOS in all apsects of performance it is best to not give it up.
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He's not talking about giving webos up. Read the thread again.
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nickster1 said:
I think the this would be great. I would love to have more space for just Android. I cannot remember the last time I booted into webos. With the option to foot in or out, I don't see the negative here.
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+1 :good:
I would love to see this
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nickster1 said:
I think the this would be great. I would love to have more space for just Android. I cannot remember the last time I booted into webos. With the option to foot in or out, I don't see the negative here.
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if I couldn't use Android on the TP and had to resort going back to WebOS I would bury this thing in the yard. Shrink it, nuke it, whatever.
4.3?
nickster1 said:
I think the this would be great. I would love to have more space for just Android. I cannot remember the last time I booted into webos. With the option to foot in or out, I don't see the negative here.
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I think you are inviting trouble messing with WebOS's partition sizes. But as long as this is something one can opt in for or not as you describe, then it's up to each person to decide for themselves if they want to risk their TP in search of the Holy Grail. As one person mentioned, working BT and a 3.xx kernel and all these other little bugs of late squashed would be awesome.
It's a known fact that that either HP or Qualcomm managed to get an Android only version working on the TP. What's not known is how good of a working model it was and if one of these newer versions of Android would even be feasible. And not to mention creating the utilities needed to maintain an Android only TP. That's my vision of the Holy Grail for the TouchPad.
OH, and all of this on a two year old tablet.
I like the kind of trouble that makes my device run android better. +1
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This link only takes me to the vzw homepage in spanish...
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you're not alone.. sigh :/ And I'm really happy we're finally getting it but it's a bit too late for me as I'm moving on to the S6 Edge, hopefully it gets rooted or I'll end up returning it and just going back to a Note developer edition perhaps
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PDF opened fine here. Here's a screenie: http://imgur.com/a/Agzyc
And did we rely just get 4.4 root and lollipop in the same day? Figures. Lol.
Edit: I uploaded them in reverse order.. Sorry guys
Of course this happens as we are about to get root lol. Looks like I might hold off on the update for a couple days.
Seriously as soon as I get hyped about root coming this week (possibly) now I have to decide if I want to wait around to see how long it takes for lolipop to get rooted.
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Seriously as soon as I get hyped about root coming this week (possibly) now I have to decide if I want to wait around to see how long it takes for lolipop to get rooted.
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If his claims regarding root are accurate, he says it supports lollipop as well. Meaning that this would have to be, essentially, a 0 day exploit or leverage the USB connection dealio that got moto/LG root.
easy decision for me... I'll take root first.
Wonderful. Lollipop and root announced the same day!
Nothing in North Carolina yet.
Still nothing here in North Carolina
ugh...nothing in nj yet but do i update when i can or wait for a custom lollipop rom =/
i really do lead a tough life
Anybody able to confirm if the new Theme Engine for TWiz is included in this like it will be on the S6?
The biggest things that made me return my Note 4 were my inability to handle how ugly I found the notifications and color scheming and the bloat. If we have root (soon it sounds) and theming...I may jump back in.
Perhaps a point that the Note 4 is already great, I do not see the point in the update. My Note 4 already has good signal reception, great battery life and performance. These are knowns. The unknown is updating to Lollipop and how it behaves in regards to the things already working fine. The one known is the ART file system will result in about 3GB less overall storage space. $crew that. JMO, so hope everybody that updates is happy. Losing the storage space alone would make me not happy. Need a 64GB device with micro sd before I bother with the ART file system.
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Perhaps a point that the Note 4 is already great, I do not see the point in the update. My Note 4 already has good signal reception, great battery life and performance. These are knowns. The unknown is updating to Lollipop and how it behaves in regards to the things already working fine. The one known is the ART file system will result in about 3GB less overall storage space. $crew that. JMO, so hope everybody that updates is happy. Losing the storage space alone would make me not happy. Need a 64GB device with micro sd before I bother with the ART file system.
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I think you will be pleased with lollipop especially when root drops so it can be debloated. I've been running beanstalk based off 5.0.1 on my N4 dev-edition and it's much faster than 4.4.4. ART works great. I know TW is entirely different than CM12 but I'm sure the performance will be similar. As for extra space you are not going to get any extra useable space for file storage from removing system apps. The partition size for system will remain the same no matter how many apps are removed. Your storage space and system space are two different partitions. When 5.0 drops then development can finally pick up and will be a win for everyone.
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I think you will be pleased with lollipop especially when root drops so it can be debloated. I've been running beanstalk based off 5.0.1 on my N4 dev-edition and it's much faster than 4.4.4. ART works great. I know TW is entirely different than CM12 but I'm sure the performance will be similar. As for extra space you are not going to get any extra useable space for file storage from removing system apps. The partition size for system will remain the same no matter how many apps are removed. Your storage space and system space are two different partitions. When 5.0 drops then development can finally pick up and will be a win for everyone.
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I have been with Android since the G1 and have modded up until the Note 4. Note 4 works great already, so have no desire to bother modding the Note 4. I used to be compelled to root/mod due to performance issues. I am not at all compelled with the Note 4, since already works great. Will also pass on the update as a result
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Perhaps a point that the Note 4 is already great, I do not see the point in the update. My Note 4 already has good signal reception, great battery life and performance. These are knowns. The unknown is updating to Lollipop and how it behaves in regards to the things already working fine. The one known is the ART file system will result in about 3GB less overall storage space. $crew that. JMO, so hope everybody that updates is happy. Losing the storage space alone would make me not happy. Need a 64GB device with micro sd before I bother with the ART file system.
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ART is a runtime, not a file system. yaffs2, vfat, ntfs: these are file systems.
ART replaces the Dalvik VM that the platform runs applications on. Your file system handles reading/writing data to and from storage devices.
That being said, ART is much smoother than Dalvik's JIT compiling, so it's all a matter of preference. If you want a choppy, outdated device with hard drive space, go ahead! I have plenty of cloud storage, so performance is key to me.
Source: I manage around 1,000 VZW Note 3 & 1,800 VZQ Note 4 devices for my company.
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ART is a runtime, not a file system. yaffs2, vfat, ntfs: these are file systems.
ART replaces the Dalvik VM that the platform runs applications on. Your file system handles reading/writing data to and from storage devices.
That being said, ART is much smoother than Dalvik's JIT compiling, so it's all a matter of preference. If you want a choppy, outdated device with hard drive space, go ahead! I have plenty of cloud storage, so performance is key to me.
Source: I manage around 1,000 VZW Note 3 & 1,800 VZQ Note 4 devices for my company.
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You're misunderstanding his point. ART uses more storage space because it saves the compiled package from the apk on the NAND, and that is bigger than the apk. I don't know where he got the 3gb figure from, but ART will always take up more space than the same phone/software with DALVIK as the runtime.
Not up for me yet
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Perhaps a point that the Note 4 is already great, I do not see the point in the update. My Note 4 already has good signal reception, great battery life and performance. These are knowns. The unknown is updating to Lollipop and how it behaves in regards to the things already working fine. The one known is the ART file system will result in about 3GB less overall storage space. $crew that. JMO, so hope everybody that updates is happy. Losing the storage space alone would make me not happy. Need a 64GB device with micro sd before I bother with the ART file system.
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You're probably missing out on some pretty important security updates too, but whatever floats your boat. This thread is probably not the place for you.
I'm seriously looking foreward to lollipop on my note 4. My note felt much faster than my old nexus 7 2013 tablet, until it got lollipop. ..after it got that, I stared using the tablet more often at home, because it out performed my note 4, which was only a month or so old!
I'm expecting to see the same performance gain on my note 4 once we get lollipop.
I'll root, but only so I can finally install an ad blocker. As far as storage space, I've got a 32gb sd card, and I can always replace that with up to a128gb sd card. I couldn't care much at all about losing a little space in the phone itself, and lollipop with fix the external app sd card access, making the SD card much more functional.
I tried to use some micro sd cards I haven't used for a while, but when I switch my micro SD as internal storage the OS says: the speed is too low and my phone would become pretty slow. Before I to find some high speed micro SD card in amazon my question is this:
What's the maximum reading and writing speed the micro SD port in this port can handle?
Which micro SD card model should I buy as internal storage for this phone if the speed supported by the port is beyond 20 mbs/s while reading?
Thanks in advance.
Never use a SD card for running apps.
Use as a data drive only.
Use a V30 rated card from a reliable manufacturer.
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Never use a SD card for running apps.
Use as a data drive only.
Use a V30 rated card from a reliable manufacturer.
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the sad thing is the apps won't use the SD card as data storage since android 6.0, my internal storage cannot hold all my apps and runs 90% storage full all the time :´c.
hunkdorlian said:
the sad thing is the apps won't use the SD card as data storage since android 6.0, my internal storage cannot hold all my apps and runs 90% storage full all the time :´c.
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Move the DCIM folder to the SD card.
Weed out the trash apps if any.
Find better coded freeware apps that use less memory.
Clear browser data as needed.
Clear any large caches as needed.
You need at least 1 gb of free space.
I have a S4+ that has 16gb internal memory so I know the feeling. Probably getting to be upgrade time.
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Move the DCIM folder to the SD card.
Weed out the trash apps if any.
Find better coded freeware apps that use less memory.
Clear browser data as needed.
Clear any large caches as needed.
You need at least 1 gb of free space.
I have a S4+ that has 16gb internal memory so I know the feeling. Probably getting to be upgrade time.
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thanks for the tips these will help me greatly, by the way, which ROM would you suggest me to use for this old good phone?
hunkdorlian said:
thanks for the tips these will help me greatly, by the way, which ROM would you suggest me to use for this old good phone?
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Don't know. If you were on Pie, which I doubt, stay there. I personally stick to stock for more predictable results.
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Don't know. If you were on Pie, which I doubt, stay there. I personally stick to stock for more predictable results.
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yeah i'm still in pie =0. sadly my bank apps won't support stock android firmware anymore.
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yeah i'm still in pie =0. sadly my bank apps won't support stock android firmware anymore.
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Leave it there. Pie is the best version in my opinion. Android 10 would screw it up.
My 10+ is still on Pie, deliberately.
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Leave it there. Pie is the best version in my opinion. Android 10 would screw it up.
My 10+ is still on Pie, deliberately.
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hopefully Pie will be still valid some years more.
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hopefully Pie will be still valid some years more.
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I'm getting my second new 10+ N975U today.
One reason a searched high and low for a new one was a guarantee it be loaded with Pie not Q!
Twins. Hell yeah. I will see how fast I can load the new one up. Give SmartSwitch a test run.
With the way Android is going downhill with scope storage and bloating, Pie will remain viable for years to come unless you're into gaming perhaps. Older valuable apps that can't run right on Q and above will continue to be usable.
No gross security issues at all... I know as I've ran with this OS on some of the worst websites there are using Brave and Samsung browser. Various adblockers are running.
No malware has made it through in over a year in spite of its "security issues". There have been a over a dozen maybe two of app samplings that were uninstalled with no damaged.
I'm careful with bt and keep wifi disabled... other than that I use it without concern.
At 16 months old it's my longest running OS load ever. It's been heavily used.
Still fast and very stable... no need to reload it yet. That impresses me as well as the fact it continues to fullfill it's mission and remains 100% functional.
Upgrading it would only cause trouble and lots of lost time.
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I'm getting my second new 10+ N975U today.
One reason a searched high and low for a new one was a guarantee it be loaded with Pie not Q!
Twins. Hell yeah. I will see how fast I can load the new one up. Give SmartSwitch a test run.
With the way Android is going downhill with scope storage and bloating, Pie will remain viable for years to come unless you're into gaming perhaps. Older valuable apps that can't run right on Q and above will continue to be usable.
No gross security issues at all... I know as I've ran with this OS on some of the worst websites there are using Brave and Samsung browser. Various adblockers are running.
No malware has made it through in over a year in spite of its "security issues". There have been a over a dozen maybe two of app samplings that were uninstalled with no damaged.
I'm careful with bt and keep wifi disabled... other than that I use it without concern.
At 16 months old it's my longest running OS load ever. It's been heavily used.
Still fast and very stable... no need to reload it yet. That impresses me as well as the fact it continues to fullfill it's mission and remains 100% functional.
Upgrading it would only cause trouble and lots of lost time.
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My only real trouble with my S4 is the battery, in my country original batteries are long gone and the generic ones my mobile turns off at 30% and increasing over the year. I wonder which generic battery is the best of the market nowadays.
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My only real trouble with my S4 is the battery, in my country original batteries are long gone and the generic ones my mobile turns off at 30% and increasing over the year. I wonder which generic battery is the best of the market nowadays.
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Try to find batteries made in Vietnam not China.
If your SOT has diminished greatly, replace the degraded Li before it fails.
If you get a newer phone don't get one running on Adroid 11, it's a dog.
Unfortunately the new 10+ was loaded on Android 10. That OS doesn't seem bad but caused me scramble to accommodate it. I should have seen that coming