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Man I love having everything that could be fun and useful on my G1, so far I am at 149 apps. How many does everyone else have? Also this doesnt hurt the SD card holding all this does it? =/
Anyways last night, some new apps came up like a G1 FTP Server for file transferring. So thats nifty. ConnectBot is good too.
Anyways just wondering, having so many apps, does it slow up the G1 any or can the G1 be like a PPC and handle all this? Open source android is nice but downside is, so many apps that have potential or worth putting on the G1 add up heh.
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Anyways just wondering, having so many apps, does it slow up the G1 any or can the G1 be like a PPC and handle all this? Open source android is nice but downside is, so many apps that have potential or worth putting on the G1 add up heh.
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There is a difference between how many applications you have installed versus how many applications you have running.
I tell people who ask that I have maybe 13k mp3's on my computer and the common response is "omg your computer must be so slow!"
wtf?
Users seem to correlate lots of stuff on device = slow device.
Correlation does not imply causation
Ah while I understand your post, the G1 is a tad different. Afterall the Apps ARE installed to the SD. As you know the G1 itself if "running" too many apps would cause it to lag up. However having alot of apps too I dont know if it slows down the G1 by trying to have it all show up or so. Imagine this. You have EVERYTHING on your Windows Desktop, that has been known to cause slowdowns too, Its not running but the system still maps to it and tracks it so to say.
Plus some apps install and auto run in the background. Since its loading off the SD, depending on the class of your SD it could cause sluggishness I would say.
Not sure what the count is exactly, but I have backups on my sd card, my netbook, and my laptop. Sometimes I download apps, back them up, uninstall and just store them on my comp just incase I might need them someday. Haha
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Users seem to correlate lots of stuff on device = slow device.
Correlation does not imply causation
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I have ten apps installed.
By the way, while apps that are not running will not cause slowdown perse, some apps start background services or periodic recurring timers (e.g. Loopt, Twidroid) which can cause slowdown.
I have 368 Applications. only problem- HOME SCREEN RELOADS AFTER COMING OUT OF APP
368? WOW You must install everything that sucks too. =p
What do you have thats interesting maybe? =D
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368? WOW You must install everything that sucks too. =p
What do you have thats interesting maybe? =D
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i have a lot of things. All gameloft games(Bought it from xda user gameloft) all ea games(from handloft.com), Snesoid, Gnesoid, Jrioni terminal(for gp2x), Sim Checker Cupcake, Nesoid,Youtube downloader, Steamy window, Spray can, Meridian, Mechanics TOuch, Military Madness, VNC Viewer, Phone MY PC, IM+, Better Keyboard, Blues etc. These are some of the apps i can remember. I dont install apps that suck . They are 368 +. A week ago with aTrackdog they were 368. I use Swapper, SetCPU to run my phone smoothly. They really help. I have windows X, Debian etc. running too. 1200+ songs, 3+ movies
Swapper, what about the warnings about how bad that actually is?
Also Windows X and Debian, tell me how are those and is there a guide somewhere to get info on it and easy to setup?
Military Madness...? WHERE?! I love games like Battle Isle!
SetCPU tell me about it some, Ive been wondering about it but is OCing really worth it on the G1?
Kk I found a xwindows/debian guide.
http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=1615
Everything i use is worth using coz i have to use them regularly. About swapper, most SD cards todayhave the power to cover the damage done(most class 6). So its worth. You should have root to enjoy your g1. SETCPU- my g1 is clocked at 528 MHz permanently so i dont experience lag.
Btw as you can tell another point of this thread is to get info on apps. =)
But online, got a link for a good class 6? Ive had issues trying to determine WHICH is a class 6 or what.. Upgraded to a 4GB Sandisk which runs better but I still am not sure its class.
Also Doesnt the setCPU drain your battery more? Any risks on that?
dont worry anout battery it is not much affected
i have about 135 apps
I am very picky about the apps I install on my devices. According to aTrackDog, there are 46 on my G1, but I probably use half of them. Time to do some cleaning
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I have 368 Applications. only problem- HOME SCREEN RELOADS AFTER COMING OUT OF APP
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This makes me feel a little better since I only have 314 lol. My ext3 partition is 2GB with Debian installed. No need to really delete anything
How many others here use SetCPU, whats stable, a solid increase and wont hurt the G1 or battery? Also yea, its nice to compare notes heh. Keep installing new apps all the time.
I WISH however that the market was easier to navagate tho.. Like add a "Apps added since you last checked" type of thing or DATE them. "Apps added on "x" date" cause its a pain to track them since looking last with so much junkware being added and your limited to scrolling. =/
atrackdog is least a VERY helpful tool.. if your G1 doesnt know its installed in the market. Least this app does..
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I WISH however that the market was easier to navagate tho..
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Some people still navigate the Market on their phone? I always use Cyrket (Newest Content category seems close to what you're looking for) and then when I find something of interest search for it directly on the phone.
Oh that website is nice, I have seen it, but doesnt help TOO much for installing it to your G1 Not like you can click on the website and have it install to the G1 like Xbox live lol.
Not to be a bother, but I have a few questions maybe a few of you could explain. But before I do I should prob say a few things about my general phone usage.
For the most part I use my phone for mostly texting. The reason I upgraded to a Nexus was to have a full touchscreen phone with a processor fast enough to keep up with touchscreen texting on the Android OS. Before this I owned a Mytouch which I then took back, and used 150 of the money to buy a g1 simply for the physical keyboard. I tried every rom mostly, and for some reason some even seemed faster on the g1 than the mytouch. The one I ended up sticking with was the MLIGN 32B. It worked without any problems and was pretty snappy. And from my understanding 32B relied more on A2SD due to less internal memory. On both roms 32A and 32B I never experienced much of a speed difference, and using my process manager, both roms seemed to contain the same amount of remaining memory after install. In the whole time I only really downloaded two apps, Root explorer and Task Panel.
Now on to the real question, about the memory on the Nexus. At first I flashed the Madaco rom on the phone with a a formatted swap-128mb/ext-1024 mb on a 4gb class 6 card, and installed only Task panel. My memory is at around 120 at the time after killing all apps. **Also not sure if I remember correctly but my memory is around 120 or 130 even with the factory rom, but that is based on memory and may not be correct.** Anyways...I reformated the card, swap-512/ext-1024, on the same 4gb card, and installed only task panel. After killing all apps, my phone still remains at 120 memory. So I switched cards to an plain jane formatted 16gb class 2, and things seem to run faster if not the same as the 4gb class 6.
Two or three questions result from this, as I understand the purpose A2SD and formatted memory cards are to extend the original memory of the phone and help performance a bit?
Yet unless task panel doesn't read all the extra partitions and gives false memory readings, I have yet to see a benefit to forrmatting an sd card, or using A2SD?
And I guess the final question is, what is the purpose of relying on artificial memory expansion, when we are striving for phones with more internal memory at the same time. After all that's why I upgraded to the Nexus, so I'd have to rely less on outside sources to make my phone's performance better. To me, I'd rather be able to rely on a rom that streamlines the space needed to allow the extra memory to go towards performance. Though I also don't download or install a lot of apps, keep that in mind. Nor am I trying to criticize any progress already made, just trying to understand it all.
So sorry if I sound completely off, or ignorant in my post, but I'm just trying to get more informed. So I will accept all forms of informative posts, flaming or not. Thanks.
RAM- amount of memory to run applications.
ROM- memory to store files.
Task manager is measuring your RAM, which A2SD has nothing to do with.
its not really needed but if you like lots off apps and big 3d games then it is. ive been with my nexus one for a week and a half, and am down to 82mb in internal phone storage. ive got a bunch of big 3d games that take up a lot of room. but for the everyday user, theres plenty of internal memory. almost 120mb more than the g1(74mb), about a total of 190mb. hope that helps.
Okay, thanks, for the most part those two simple answers clarify things. I guess I was under the impression that out of the 3 partitions (swap/ext/fat32) that the phone used one of them for a virtual memory, the way windows uses hard drive space for virtual memory if your ram usage is getting close to overflowing. Am I correct in assuming such, or does the phone in fact not use any of the partitions in this way?
Though if it does, which partition is used as virtual memory per say? Or are there not any add ons out for the nexus yet that incorporate such?
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Okay, thanks, for the most part those two simple answers clarify things. I guess I was under the impression that out of the 3 partitions (swap/ext/fat32) that the phone used one of them for a virtual memory, the way windows uses hard drive space for virtual memory if your ram usage is getting close to overflowing. Am I correct in assuming such, or does the phone in fact not use any of the partitions in this way?
Though if it does, which partition is used as virtual memory per say? Or are there not any add ons out for the nexus yet that incorporate such?
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It would be more accurate to say a2sd is necessary for (far) fewer people.
The swap partition in a conventional Linux system would be used as virtual memory. The stock ROM for the N1 is not configured to take advantage of swap however. It is possible that cyanogen or another ROM cook will enable it but, like a2sd, it is not as necessary as it was with the G1.
I think apps2sd isnt needed apps are usually smaller than 4MB plus will you actually use all those apps?
I have like 20apps atm and use like 10 of them.Others were good at the time i installed but are boring now.Im waiting for gameboid and the other apps to be in the market.Does anyone see raging thunder in market?
We need A2SD. I have done some research and there will be a plenty of 3D games witch will need plenty of storage some of them mite need 100+mb. So you do need A2SD and it will be nice to see what Google will com up with. Can't wait to see it.
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I think apps2sd isnt needed apps are usually smaller than 4MB plus will you actually use all those apps?
I have like 20apps atm and use like 10 of them.Others were good at the time i installed but are boring now.Im waiting for gameboid and the other apps to be in the market.Does anyone see raging thunder in market?
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lol, raging thunder is sweet on the n1. so is armageddon squadron, armored strike, call of duty, rs09 real soccer, sky force, speed forge 3d, toonwars, wave blazer, homerun battle 3d.... while most apps are under 4mb, some are 8, 10+. they add up. on top of games, i also have many other apps that i find useful. not all at once, but at times. why not have apps2sd as an option? i have 76 total apps and games right now, im down to 80mb. id like to download more apps in future. my g1 has 220 apps installed with 180mb left.
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lol, raging thunder is sweet on the n1. so is armageddon squadron, armored strike, call of duty, rs09 real soccer, sky force, speed forge 3d, toonwars, wave blazer, homerun battle 3d.... while most apps are under 4mb, some are 8, 10+. they add up. on top of games, i also have many other apps that i find useful. not all at once, but at times. why not have apps2sd as an option? i have 76 total apps and games right now, im down to 80mb. id like to download more apps in future. my g1 has 220 apps installed with 180mb left.
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I've been saying this in many of the discussions on a2sd for the N1. There are those who feel that it is not needed on the N1. However, there is less space on the N1 (appalling for 2010 and such a sweet device) than on the myTouch and we all had it on the myTouch. Given that there is less than 200MB of storage available for apps on the N1, unless we use a2sd we are doomed to using a small number of apps each being small in size. While I dislike just about everything about the iPhone, the one thing it has is the ability to install 100MB+ apps. While a2sd will allow this, these types of apps will not be created until there is official support for more storage, whether it's built-in or an a2sd implemented by Google (supposedly in the works but that basically means nothing until it's here).
Until the storage limits for downloaded apps is greatly relaxed (i.e. by apps2sd) we won't see as many really nice looking media rich apps as the iPhone and iPod Touch have. Most of the apps are multi-megabyte on that platform because there is no disincentive to including lots of media and taking up space like there is on non-rooted Android phones.
You can look at the current apps on the Android Market and come to the conclusion that apps2sd isn't a pressing need, but you'd be missing the bigger picture of all the apps that aren't there because nobody wants to download many multi-megabyte apps until we have essentially unlimited storage...
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I've saying this in many of the discussions on a2sd for the N1. There are those who feel that it is not needed on the N1. However, there is less space on the N1 (appalling for 2010 and such a sweet device) than on the myTouch and we all had it on the myTouch. Given that there is less than 200MB of storage available for apps on the N1, unless we use a2sd we are doomed to using a small number of apps each being small in size. While I dislike just about everything about the iPhone, the one thing it has is the ability to install 100MB+ apps. While a2sd will allow this, these types of apps will not be created until there is official support for more storage, whether it's built-in or an a2sd implemented by Google (supposedly in the works but that basically means nothing until it's here).
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Agreed , totally agree. hope Google can implement the offical a2sd soon, can not wait for that.
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I've saying this in many of the discussions on a2sd for the N1. There are those who feel that it is not needed on the N1. However, there is less space on the N1 (appalling for 2010 and such a sweet device) than on the myTouch and we all had it on the myTouch. Given that there is less than 200MB of storage available for apps on the N1, unless we use a2sd we are doomed to using a small number of apps each being small in size. While I dislike just about everything about the iPhone, the one thing it has is the ability to install 100MB+ apps. While a2sd will allow this, these types of apps will not be created until there is official support for more storage, whether it's built-in or an a2sd implemented by Google (supposedly in the works but that basically means nothing until it's here).
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absolutely agree. at the rate im going, im going to be out of internal storage memory by the end of this month. and by the way, i have both your apps on my g1 and cachemate on my nexus. both are extremely useful apps!
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absolutely agree. at the rate im going, im going to be out of internal storage memory by the end of this month. and by the way, i have both your apps on my g1 and cachemate on my nexus. both are extremely useful apps!
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Awesome. Since I haven't done a2sd on my N1 yet, I've once again realized the pressing need for my CacheMate. I don't know what non-root users do with all that junk on their devices (wish I would make it for non-root users). I really hope that I either don't need my app anymore or that it only has to be run once a month. This storage limitation is a joke. The first time I ran CacheMate on my N1 it cleared almost 50MB! That's 1/4 of the available space. I'd dump Android this phone if it wasn't rooted and I had to manually clear cache all day (I had CacheMate way before it came out ).
People can argue all night long as to whether or not app2sd is needed on the nexus one, but all I can say is that I love having it on mine. For one thing, I don't have to constantly check how much free space I have left on my phone nor do I have to regularly and manually clear my cache.
I know one guy on here who just got it setup on his n1 last night.
Before apps2sd, one of his apps kept crashing, after getting it setup on his nexus, he was very pleased.
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I don't know. I see a noticeable difference already in one of my apps. SPB TV doesn't crash anymore. 307mb ram and 183 rom. Cyanogen, man I don't know how you do it...I love b3 with with memory hack + apps2sd. Thanks man.
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Hey all:
I have been traveling on business all week, and was just wondering if there was new news about GB being in the playbook this week? I have a feeling if it were, it would be top of the forum, but just in case it is in a "unobvious" thread, I thought I would ask.
Here is my next question. My Samsung Epic is completely stock, except for being rooted. I have noticed it is really slow when switching to the home screen, and switching to and from apps. It is ESPECIALLY slow when bringing up the TwLauncher sometimes. I have tried clearing data on the TwLauncher to see if there was corruption, but same thing. I have about 110 apps installed on my phone, and all of the apps that can be moved to the SD card are already there.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Hey all:
I have been traveling on business all week, and was just wondering if there was new news about GB being in the playbook this week? I have a feeling if it were, it would be top of the forum, but just in case it is in a "unobvious" thread, I thought I would ask.
Here is my next question. My Samsung Epic is completely stock, except for being rooted. I have noticed it is really slow when switching to the home screen, and switching to and from apps. It is ESPECIALLY slow when bringing up the TwLauncher sometimes. I have tried clearing data on the TwLauncher to see if there was corruption, but same thing. I have about 110 apps installed on my phone, and all of the apps that can be moved to the SD card are already there.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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No, and what is the question on the second one?
No news on GB.
Other question....your homescreens are taking longer because it takes longer to access and find all the apps on your sd card. SD card access is slower so the more apps on it the more it will slow down. Clean some apps off your homescreen that are on the sd card that you don't use and see if that speeds it up a little.
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ouch. I had a feeling this was the case. Let me ask this.
I have the stock SD card in my phone (class 4 I think). If I bought a class 10, is the phone capable of utilizing those faster speeds, and would I notice the difference?
Milkman00 said:
Hey all:
I have been traveling on business all week, and was just wondering if there was new news about GB being in the playbook this week? I have a feeling if it were, it would be top of the forum, but just in case it is in a "unobvious" thread, I thought I would ask.
Here is my next question. My Samsung Epic is completely stock, except for being rooted. I have noticed it is really slow when switching to the home screen, and switching to and from apps. It is ESPECIALLY slow when bringing up the TwLauncher sometimes. I have tried clearing data on the TwLauncher to see if there was corruption, but same thing. I have about 110 apps installed on my phone, and all of the apps that can be moved to the SD card are already there.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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1. No news
2. You are running out of memory.
No, I had a class 10 card (recently got corrupted and I changed back to the included Samsung sd card) and I still had this issue.
I've heard that the biggest reason we see this issue with the home screen is because the Epic uses the RTS (murderous) file system. As you are rooted, I believe you can search for the solution someone had that puts a 1GB swap space on the SD card that uses EXT4.
This is interesting.
I wonder if a Class 10 card would help if the swap file is on the SD. I almost wish I would have installed the stock ROM without the bloatware, as I think that would also help my situation, since my internal memory is down to around 60 megs...
hmmmmm.
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Hey all:
I have been traveling ......... ask.
Here is my next question. My Samsung Epic is completely stock, except for being rooted. I have noticed it is really slow when switching to the home screen, and switching to and from apps. It is ESPECIALLY slow when bringing up the TwLauncher sometimes. I have tried clearing data on the TwLauncher to see if there was corruption, but same thing. I have about 110 apps installed on my phone, and all of the apps that can be moved to the SD card are already there.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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I have 140 apps and 98% of those are on my SD card - the other 2% that "can" go on the SD card, I don't move because those apps are in folders on my home screens and if moved to the SD card, on next boot the icons change to a default Android icon instead of the normal app icon.
With that being said, I am stock and rooted like you except that I have a kernel so I can overclock my cpu. My phone is fast and stable in every way and so is my wife's epic which I have set up almost the same way - I have no problems with speed in switching or opening apps.
I would try overclocking but stay stock IMHO.
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I have 140 apps and 98% of those are on my SD card - the other 2% that "can" go on the SD card, I don't move because those apps are in folders on my home screens and if moved to the SD card, on next boot the icons change to a default Android icon instead of the normal app icon.
With that being said, I am stock and rooted like you except that I have a kernel so I can overclock my cpu. My phone is fast and stable in every way and so is my wife's epic which I have set up almost the same way - I have no problems with speed in switching or opening apps.
I would try overclocking but stay stock IMHO.
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Can you point me to a good way to do this? Do you find that OC affects your battery life??? Mine is terrible.
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No, I had a class 10 card (recently got corrupted and I changed back to the included Samsung sd card) and I still had this issue.
I've heard that the biggest reason we see this issue with the home screen is because the Epic uses the RTS (murderous) file system. As you are rooted, I believe you can search for the solution someone had that puts a 1GB swap space on the SD card that uses EXT4.
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I think you mean RFS. And yes, some people worship ext4.
But really op? 110 apps?! I have 25...
Wipe data and flash SRF
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Wipe data and flash SRF
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I dread doing this. I use two paid backup programs (Titanium and MyBackup).
Neither of them seem to backup the actual data that the applications use. What do I mean by that? I am talking about the saved login information for an app, as well as preferences, etc. It is never as easy as it should be.
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Can you point me to a good way to do this? Do you find that OC affects your battery life??? Mine is terrible.
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I would only do the kernel and not a rom yet, baby steps! Read the OP at least 3 times so you can understand.
Make sure you make a nandroid before you try this, just in case somethings goes wrong. When overclocking, don't mess with undervolting until everything is stable, then baby steps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961614
I run exactly whats in my signature. I have duplicated the same setup on my wife's phone with the exception that I keep hers clocked no higher than 1.3ghz. Where I float back and forth between 1.3ghz and 1.4ghz, because I am testing battery life. I get as good or better on battery life and a snappier phone on 1.3ghz and a little less battery at 1.4ghz, but that is only when I play a game at 1.4ghz. Under normal daily usage, I would still have to give the edge in battery life to 1.3ghz, but 1.4ghz sure is fast!
I have the free version of Titanium Backup and my App Data restores perfectly.
I'm thinking same as one of the other posters, more than one instance of your apps are killing your ram, what I do is chop down on apps, and look at what apps are running under processes. Remember that out of those 110 apps you have installed, not every single one has optimized programming code, so in theory, half of those are making new bugs that your phone has to bitterly endure. For titanium backup I do batch restore apps+data. Maybe you're just not restoring right. There's so many options that I find it possible. Imo opinion, I don't reccommend OC if you want battery life and for your epic's overall life to end sooner. As for gingerbread news nothing new yet, but it'll come out when we least expect it, I'm sure.
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I dread doing this. I use two paid backup programs (Titanium and MyBackup).
Neither of them seem to backup the actual data that the applications use. What do I mean by that? I am talking about the saved login information for an app, as well as preferences, etc. It is never as easy as it should be.
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I have MyBackup Pro and I don't even use that anymore, as I nandroid every 3 to 5 days or when I am going to do something drastic that could cause problems from the unknown. As an example my last unknown that was kind of glitchy was when I upgraded to Superuser went to 3.0
If you are rooted, just do a nandroid, if you have a crash, it will bring everything back just like it was when you made the nandroid.
Flash clean kernel for EC05
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Lol that would probably give him other problems.
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Lol that would probably give him other problems.
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And "that" is why I said to just flash a kernel first. I am almost sure he would go nuts, because he has to flash SRF 1.1 first then SFR 1.2, then a kernel and make sure he has been converted to ext4 from rfs, than probably have journaling on, and the list goes on.
Go kernel first! And if that works and is stable and your phone works perfect after a week of use, then you can go on to the next step!
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And "that" is why I said to just flash a kernel first. I am almost sure he would go nuts, because he has to flash SRF 1.1 first then SFR 1.2, then a kernel and make sure he has been converted to ext4 from rfs, than probably have journaling on, and the list goes on.
Go kernel first! And if that works and is stable and your phone works perfect after a week of use, then you can go on to the next step!
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That is awesome advice. That is what I did back in November. Genocide was the first thing I flashed after rooting to change my bootanimation.
Its due to apps on sd card having a shortcut on a home screen or on a folder on a home screen. I don't think file system, kernel, or ROM will improve that very much. I would hate for you to go to all the work to find no improvement.
The cache and speed tweaks could help and a faster card could help. You might also give a new launcher a try. In the end, I decided to just keep apps on internal memory that I needed on home screen. Same as the 98% - 2% guy above.
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I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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That's normal, and infact good.
When you close an application, it leaves a bit of footprint in the RAM. So when you open it the next time, it opens faster. Incase the RAM starts running out, android removes the earlier apps from it.
Stop blaming Sammy for just about everything.
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I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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i have the same app and ive been on cm11 for weeks never had to use it not like when i was on tw sometimes 2/3 times aday
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i have the same app and ive been on cm11 for weeks never had to use it not like when i was on tw sometimes 2/3 times aday
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Is it safe to use these app killer things or should we just let Android take care of it automatically? I thought I read somewhere that these things are bad and can make corruption?
Over 90%? I rarely go past 50%... Perks of running CM11
I rarely go past 50 and I use a TW based ROM..
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I rarely go past 50 and I use a TW based ROM..
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I'm using stock TW on Tmo and I go over 90% at least every other day if not more
Might wanna check what apps you are using and have installed. Uninstall apps you don't use etc.
If you have root you can freeze apps you never use and I disagree it doesn't affect the system performance. On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory. It was main reason I rooted my phone, to freeze all the garbage and bloat on my phone. You can also delete some of the stuff, but it gets little complicated if you delete wrong app and then other things don't work no more. I don't know if they load all programs into memory because of "just in time" compiler, another idiotic idea, why compile program once, when we can compile and waste time, every time we start the program. When new, my phone would use about 70% of memory right from the boot and would go to 90% over time, now I freeze just the most obvious stuff and start at 40% memory load. There is a spreadsheet listing all apps, what they do if they can be safely removed, it could help you get better control of your phone.
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If you have root you can freeze apps you never use and I disagree it doesn't affect the system performance. On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory. It was main reason I rooted my phone, to freeze all the garbage and bloat on my phone. You can also delete some of the stuff, but it gets little complicated if you delete wrong app and then other things don't work no more. I don't know if they load all programs into memory because of "just in time" compiler, another idiotic idea, why compile program once, when we can compile and waste time, every time we start the program. When new, my phone would use about 70% of memory right from the boot and would go to 90% over time, now I freeze just the most obvious stuff and start at 40% memory load. There is a spreadsheet listing all apps, what they do if they can be safely removed, it could help you get better control of your phone.
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Which spreadsheet do you mean? Is it an accurate spreadsheet as to what we can freeze? Oh, do you need root to freeze?
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On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory.
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^ This
I've just recently installed boot manager(requires root + xposed framework) to combat this very problem. It doesn't stop system apps from starting just user downloaded ones. TBH I haven't noticed any effect on the battery or the speed of the phone. Just when I restart, the phone has more free memory.
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I was on 4.3 MJ1 rooted and every day I would go up to 90% as it would notify me on the bar to clean.
Now I'm on 4.4 NA6 rooted and I don't get the popup anymore, the 340mb RAM bump is quite useful.
nicholaschum said:
the 340mb RAM bump is quite useful.
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What does that mean? KK uses 340mb less RAM?
Neo3D said:
Which spreadsheet do you mean? Is it an accurate spreadsheet as to what we can freeze? Oh, do you need root to freeze?
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here is the spreadsheet listing apps, what they do and if they're safe to remove or freeze, it is not complete but good starting point. Just be careful, don't touch stuff you're not sure about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470862
Since Google, just like Crapple thinks all their users are idiots and should be saved from themselves, yeah you need to root to just do anything on your phone. You can go to Application manager and force close programs you don't use without root but:
1. you need to do it every time phone starts one by one
2. some programs will restart by themselves anyway
When you freeze, you do it once and that's it. ROM Toolbox has pretty much all you need.
As far as 4.4 goes, yep you may get some RAM back but pretty much loose access to your SD card, if you have one, something like going from shower into the rain
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What does that mean? KK uses 340mb less RAM?
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You get more RAM on KK. 340mb more.
nicholaschum said:
You get more RAM on KK. 340mb more.
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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MicroSD works on mine. Maybe its because of different variants. But I run custom ROM X-Note 8.0, and most of my media is in MicroSD.
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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KK introduces new permission for SD card usage that breaks writing to SD for most 3rd party apps, you can fix it if you're rooted or run custom ROM, like above poster, but I don't think there is a way to root KK without tripping Knox flag and so you may be loosing your warranty.
I'm rooted on 4.3 and my flag is x0, so for me this is the way it will have to stay.
denski101 said:
^ This
I've just recently installed boot manager(requires root + xposed framework) to combat this very problem. It doesn't stop system apps from starting just user downloaded ones. TBH I haven't noticed any effect on the battery or the speed of the phone. Just when I restart, the phone has more free memory.
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Just to add to this.
Here's another app I've been using to clear ram.
Advanced Task Cleaner Pro (doesn't require root)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bright.taskcleaner
The advantage this app has over the regular way of clearing ram is that you can create an auto-kill list, which will stop apps from reloading back into the memory after being killed. It will show system as well as user apps and processes currently running.
Digging through the settings there's also a setting to clear ram on system startup(non-root alt to boot manager)
I myself have never got the "full or almost full" memory notification, so I quess I've never maxed out the ram. I think most of these memory/app killing apps(including the one above) are aimed at low and middle tier mobiles which don't have sufficient memory to cope with multitasking and background processes, without stuttering and slowing to a halt.
Since my battery life is good, and I'm more than happy with the phone's speed, I haven't got a real need to clear the memory all the time. I have a habbit of closing apps after using them, although leaving apps in the background and/or not clearing memory after closing will result in faster opening times. There are quite a few claims that these ram killer apps save massive amounts of battery and what not, from my end I don't see this, although its important to check for yourself and come to you own conclusions.
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any one will and still use his sony z2 in 2018 , and why ?
YES because it works perfectly fine and has the developer community support
of course, I actually just upgraded to it from Xperia SP, it has a great CPU, a decent GPU and it still has amazing support here on XDA, we are getting a stable Oreo soon, and I bet we will get android P as well. It even has a very stable MM stock ROM (6.0.1 is the most used android version as of today) the only downside for me is the front facing camera, which was a good choice back in 2014, but now it's definitely not a good selfie camera, I will keep using it I guess for at least a year (or two) before getting enough budget to buy a year flagship...
Yes
Of course because it works like charm even in 2018 and it has brilliant developers that keeps this phone alive with their support
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of course, I actually just upgraded to it from Xperia SP, it has a great CPU, a decent GPU and it still has amazing support here on XDA, we are getting a stable Oreo soon, and I bet we will get android P as well. It even has a very stable MM stock ROM (6.0.1 is the most used android version as of today) the only downside for me is the front facing camera, which was a good choice back in 2014, but now it's definitely not a good selfie camera, I will keep using it I guess for at least a year (or two) before getting enough budget to buy a year flagship...
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snapdragon 801 is really very good cpu even after 4 years , even better than sanpdragon 810, as far for front camera it is really bad.
Great reliable phone
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Still use it today as a backup phone
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SURE
Cuz power enough & live community
Sure man.I have Z2 for 3 years.Still can't find reason to exchange him for a new phone.Z2 is still fast,good quality photos(main camera) and We have there great developers that keeps this phone alive.
Yeah, cause my wife knocked my XZ out my hand and the screen shattered ?
My z2 got stolen last month. Just bought hTc U Ultra few days ago...
any way to root it without downgrade or use flash things ? like with a soft in my pc like i did with my dead LG G2 ?
tried KingRoot_pc_en but it says conect to internet I HAVE INTERNET !!
I have had mine since it came out. People are still amazed by it. Sure it has drawbacks but for what it was when it released it has aged extremely well. It's the best phone I have ever had for sure.
Me I have one I rooted it and unlocked bootloader and have existenz rom on marshmallow 6.0.1 and I have a 32gb external SD as internal storage so I have 48gb of free space for apps but 11for OS so its 37gb. And my camera is very good and my phone just blazing fast. Why do I need a new phone? This will be my beast for few next years. I may change it when I feel the need of it or just a big change in phone market happen.
LeGendAry SHAdow said:
Me I have one I rooted it and unlocked bootloader and have existenz rom on marshmallow 6.0.1 and I have a 32gb external SD as internal storage so I have 48gb of free space for apps but 11for OS so its 37gb. And my camera is very good and my phone just blazing fast. Why do I need a new phone? This will be my beast for few next years. I may change it when I feel the need of it or just a big change in phone market happen.
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how did you make external as internal storage ?
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how did you make external as internal storage ?
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Easy but not very good. (*DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK*)First you need a rooted device second you need app2sd I found it on Google play. The one with a blue droid and an external SD image behind the blue droid. Anyways. I just made an adoptable partition of 25gbs because I can't make more than 95% of the SD card as internal. After that you need to reboot and next you need to repair it the same way you created it but this time select repair. NOTE: creating the partition will erase everything on your SD Card even if it was 1 gb partition. Anyways after repairing you can go to storage in your phone settings and tap on the internal storage partition of the SD card theb tap the options menu and migrate data and confirm it. And now you have more storage than normal but not 100% of what you have for example I have 25gbs from the SD and 16 from normal storage. But I don't really have 41gbs of usable space. But I'm sure that I'm using more than 20gb for my apps only. Anyways some apps may get fps drops or stutter you can move them manually to internal storage (not the partition) to get rid of any stutter in that app. It's not necessarily heavy apps that gets that stutter. For example I had a light game that has stutter and gta sa hasn't any of it.
Thanks, (*DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK*)
If you want to know where did I get that knowledge it started from rooting the device which was from Android doctor youtube channel and I asked him about that and he suggested me to try app2sd it may help and after i've tried it I could make it real that my external SD card works as internal without downgrading to Android 4.0 kikat just wanted to say thanks to him because he helped me in an important thing of mine. I can still type but you'll get bored, good bye my friend.
AndroidXL said:
any way to root it without downgrade or use flash things ? like with a soft in my pc like i did with my dead LG G2 ?
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I used this guide to root stock .291 https://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/general/recovery-root-mm-575-291-lb-t3435214
You will need to install flashtool on your PC but it's easy enough - the only issue in regards to that is you may have to "disable driver signature enforcement" to install the drivers depending on which version of Windows you're using. If you need any help just ask.
Right now I'm running latest eXistenZ ROM (had to do a fresh install from Stock as was having issues) with EliteKernel v3, kernel UV -50mV to reduce some heat and give better battery life.. Also some tweaks to make it more like my XZ which had stock Nougat - latest Xperia Home app + Serajr Xposed + DPI changed to 400. Finished off with Cyberian camera mod and Viper4Android and my Z2 is probably better than the XZ!
but mine its 6503 those are 66** ...
LeGendAry SHAdow said:
Easy but not very good. (*DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK*)First you need a rooted device second you need app2sd I found it on Google play.
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i thought it was a mod done by developers , any way i stay away from those apps , they may slow the device.
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i thought it was a mod done by developers , any way i stay away from those apps , they may slow the device.
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They do slow the device and those apps also contain annoying ads when you're in the app but if you have low storage you can use them to benefit of external sd cards with lots of storage. i think my problem is only with migrating data which makes everything primarily installed on the external sd which slows the phone because its acting like its holding the OS. Or its mainly slow down caused by the app.