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18 apps running at once?

Trying to figure out what's a problem and what's not. Advanced Task Manager....says 18 apps are open. Is that fibbing?

ok so not 18...10.
Voice search, gallery, maps, car home, clock, settings, gmail, voice dialer, weatherbug, mp3 store....the G1 never had that many going at once in memory.

and the phone still zips around im hoping?

it does give very small lag when they are all running, then when i kill them all it speeds up. i actually recorded a video of the whole process.

Mine has 31 currently running?!?! WTF??? Some are running twice like AK Notepad and The Weather Channel? I'm thinking 2.1 is having issues managing applications. I keep hitting my end all widget and it's always like 20+ apps running. So much for the extra ram, things just keep restarting for now reason!
EDIT: After more playing around, it looks like the Back button does not close applications like it does on the G1 and MT3G. Great, better get used to using the Task Manager Widget or nothing will close!!!

setzer715 said:
Mine has 31 currently running?!?! WTF??? Some are running twice like AK Notepad and The Weather Channel? I'm thinking 2.1 is having issues managing applications. I keep hitting my end all widget and it's always like 20+ apps running. So much for the extra ram, things just keep restarting for now reason!
EDIT: After more playing around, it looks like the Back button does not close applications like it does on the G1 and MT3G. Great, better get used to using the Task Manager Widget or nothing will close!!!
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Do we *really* need to kill apps though? We have ample memory to cope, right?

Either that or Advanced Task Manager is giving a false report...I don't know which. But yeah the back button doesn't seem to exit the app.
I'm waiting for this video to finish rendering and I'll post it up on Vimeo. It clearly shows the phone lagging, then speeding back up when they are all killed.

spr33 said:
Do we *really* need to kill apps though? We have ample memory to cope, right?
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I don't think they all need to be running at once though, no matter how much memory we have. I don't want it running unless I open it, with the exception of the few that have to run if your using widgets.

spr33 said:
Do we *really* need to kill apps though? We have ample memory to cope, right?
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According to Task Manager before I started launching apps I had 109Mb avail mem. After launching and backing out of a bunch I was down to 49Mb. That was withing 5min. Can you imagine a full day of not ending apps?

I just emailed the developer to rule out a false report with his app and Android 2.1.

setzer715 said:
According to Task Manager before I started launching apps I had 109Mb avail mem. After launching and backing out of a bunch I was down to 49Mb. That was withing 5min. Can you imagine a full day of not ending apps?
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Android manages that for you, it utilises the most amount of RAM possible. It'll end apps once it needs more RAM

efeltee said:
Android manages that for you, it utilises the most amount of RAM possible. It'll end apps once it needs more RAM
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I never encountered this with my G1 though. It never ran that many apps at once.

OK video is here:
http://www.vimeo.com/8604778
Video mark 2:48 and go from there.
Some would probably call this "finicky" but I don't expect any lag on a $500 phone. I also understand that not everyone moves as fast as I do.

nphaskins said:
OK video is here:
http://www.vimeo.com/8604778
Video mark 2:48 and go from there.
Some would probably call this "finicky" but I don't expect any lag on a $500 phone. I also understand that not everyone moves as fast as I do.
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Like has been said.. Android is managing this for you. Unused RAM is worthless RAM. this is the same issue people tried to ***** about with Windows Vista. The system is keeping the application in memory incase you switch back to it. If you do, you avoid the load times. If you don't keep applications in RAM then switching between them would take forever and pretty much negate the ability to multitask.
THIS IS BY DESIGN.

Nedlinin said:
Like has been said.. Android is managing this for you. Unused RAM is worthless RAM. this is the same issue people tried to ***** about with Windows Vista. The system is keeping the application in memory incase you switch back to it. If you do, you avoid the load times. If you don't keep applications in RAM then switching between them would take forever and pretty much negate the ability to multitask.
THIS IS BY DESIGN.
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I'd like to think that we could have a civil and professional conversation without jumping in with your panties in a wad. Do you see my post count? Do you tink I was here when people we're complaining about this? Oh that's right we we're born with knowing how Android works that's right.
At any rate....I appreciate your response.

I think he got irritated you were jumping the gun a bit, you went even so far to post a video of it lagging..that kinda seems to lower the credibility of the device for people without that specific knowledge.

nphaskins said:
I'd like to think that we could have a civil and professional conversation without jumping in with your panties in a wad. Do you see my post count? Do you tink I was here when people we're complaining about this? Oh that's right we we're born with knowing how Android works that's right.
At any rate....I appreciate your response.
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My apologies for seeming harsh. But, there is another thread on this exact same topic already in which this answer has already been stated :-/
If for some reason it really worries you, just use the Taskiller widget or something.. but, it really isn't anything to worry about. The slight second long pause in your video is simply from Android being notified it is low on memory and killing off a background process to make room for the one you are loading up. You shouldn't see it too often and the fact that it keeps the programs/apps in RAM is part of the reason the phone feels so snappy compared to a G1/MyTouch

hmmm, the only lag I saw in the video was the occasional having to press the touch sensitive buttons one more time?
Correct me if Im wrong?

Thing is: the more you use taskiller the slower it'll get unlike what everybody thinks...
Just leave the apps in the RAM and they'll load from the RAM (= instantly) otherwise they'll load from storage card (=milliseconds of delay)
All I can say from the video is that the Nexus is hugely fast. When you started the camera I thought "alright sit back & relax for 5sec like on most Androids" but this was insane!

nphaskins said:
I never encountered this with my G1 though. It never ran that many apps at once.
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"It'll end more apps once it needs more ram".
The G1 had less rom and therefore had to end apps earlier because it needed to free up ram for the Os/new apps.

Is A2SD really necessary on the Nexus?

Not to be a bother, but I have a few questions maybe a few of you could explain. But before I do I should prob say a few things about my general phone usage.
For the most part I use my phone for mostly texting. The reason I upgraded to a Nexus was to have a full touchscreen phone with a processor fast enough to keep up with touchscreen texting on the Android OS. Before this I owned a Mytouch which I then took back, and used 150 of the money to buy a g1 simply for the physical keyboard. I tried every rom mostly, and for some reason some even seemed faster on the g1 than the mytouch. The one I ended up sticking with was the MLIGN 32B. It worked without any problems and was pretty snappy. And from my understanding 32B relied more on A2SD due to less internal memory. On both roms 32A and 32B I never experienced much of a speed difference, and using my process manager, both roms seemed to contain the same amount of remaining memory after install. In the whole time I only really downloaded two apps, Root explorer and Task Panel.
Now on to the real question, about the memory on the Nexus. At first I flashed the Madaco rom on the phone with a a formatted swap-128mb/ext-1024 mb on a 4gb class 6 card, and installed only Task panel. My memory is at around 120 at the time after killing all apps. **Also not sure if I remember correctly but my memory is around 120 or 130 even with the factory rom, but that is based on memory and may not be correct.** Anyways...I reformated the card, swap-512/ext-1024, on the same 4gb card, and installed only task panel. After killing all apps, my phone still remains at 120 memory. So I switched cards to an plain jane formatted 16gb class 2, and things seem to run faster if not the same as the 4gb class 6.
Two or three questions result from this, as I understand the purpose A2SD and formatted memory cards are to extend the original memory of the phone and help performance a bit?
Yet unless task panel doesn't read all the extra partitions and gives false memory readings, I have yet to see a benefit to forrmatting an sd card, or using A2SD?
And I guess the final question is, what is the purpose of relying on artificial memory expansion, when we are striving for phones with more internal memory at the same time. After all that's why I upgraded to the Nexus, so I'd have to rely less on outside sources to make my phone's performance better. To me, I'd rather be able to rely on a rom that streamlines the space needed to allow the extra memory to go towards performance. Though I also don't download or install a lot of apps, keep that in mind. Nor am I trying to criticize any progress already made, just trying to understand it all.
So sorry if I sound completely off, or ignorant in my post, but I'm just trying to get more informed. So I will accept all forms of informative posts, flaming or not. Thanks.

RAM- amount of memory to run applications.
ROM- memory to store files.
Task manager is measuring your RAM, which A2SD has nothing to do with.

its not really needed but if you like lots off apps and big 3d games then it is. ive been with my nexus one for a week and a half, and am down to 82mb in internal phone storage. ive got a bunch of big 3d games that take up a lot of room. but for the everyday user, theres plenty of internal memory. almost 120mb more than the g1(74mb), about a total of 190mb. hope that helps.

Okay, thanks, for the most part those two simple answers clarify things. I guess I was under the impression that out of the 3 partitions (swap/ext/fat32) that the phone used one of them for a virtual memory, the way windows uses hard drive space for virtual memory if your ram usage is getting close to overflowing. Am I correct in assuming such, or does the phone in fact not use any of the partitions in this way?
Though if it does, which partition is used as virtual memory per say? Or are there not any add ons out for the nexus yet that incorporate such?

fykick said:
Okay, thanks, for the most part those two simple answers clarify things. I guess I was under the impression that out of the 3 partitions (swap/ext/fat32) that the phone used one of them for a virtual memory, the way windows uses hard drive space for virtual memory if your ram usage is getting close to overflowing. Am I correct in assuming such, or does the phone in fact not use any of the partitions in this way?
Though if it does, which partition is used as virtual memory per say? Or are there not any add ons out for the nexus yet that incorporate such?
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It would be more accurate to say a2sd is necessary for (far) fewer people.
The swap partition in a conventional Linux system would be used as virtual memory. The stock ROM for the N1 is not configured to take advantage of swap however. It is possible that cyanogen or another ROM cook will enable it but, like a2sd, it is not as necessary as it was with the G1.

I think apps2sd isnt needed apps are usually smaller than 4MB plus will you actually use all those apps?
I have like 20apps atm and use like 10 of them.Others were good at the time i installed but are boring now.Im waiting for gameboid and the other apps to be in the market.Does anyone see raging thunder in market?

We need A2SD. I have done some research and there will be a plenty of 3D games witch will need plenty of storage some of them mite need 100+mb. So you do need A2SD and it will be nice to see what Google will com up with. Can't wait to see it.

Ace42 said:
I think apps2sd isnt needed apps are usually smaller than 4MB plus will you actually use all those apps?
I have like 20apps atm and use like 10 of them.Others were good at the time i installed but are boring now.Im waiting for gameboid and the other apps to be in the market.Does anyone see raging thunder in market?
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lol, raging thunder is sweet on the n1. so is armageddon squadron, armored strike, call of duty, rs09 real soccer, sky force, speed forge 3d, toonwars, wave blazer, homerun battle 3d.... while most apps are under 4mb, some are 8, 10+. they add up. on top of games, i also have many other apps that i find useful. not all at once, but at times. why not have apps2sd as an option? i have 76 total apps and games right now, im down to 80mb. id like to download more apps in future. my g1 has 220 apps installed with 180mb left.

simms22 said:
lol, raging thunder is sweet on the n1. so is armageddon squadron, armored strike, call of duty, rs09 real soccer, sky force, speed forge 3d, toonwars, wave blazer, homerun battle 3d.... while most apps are under 4mb, some are 8, 10+. they add up. on top of games, i also have many other apps that i find useful. not all at once, but at times. why not have apps2sd as an option? i have 76 total apps and games right now, im down to 80mb. id like to download more apps in future. my g1 has 220 apps installed with 180mb left.
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I've been saying this in many of the discussions on a2sd for the N1. There are those who feel that it is not needed on the N1. However, there is less space on the N1 (appalling for 2010 and such a sweet device) than on the myTouch and we all had it on the myTouch. Given that there is less than 200MB of storage available for apps on the N1, unless we use a2sd we are doomed to using a small number of apps each being small in size. While I dislike just about everything about the iPhone, the one thing it has is the ability to install 100MB+ apps. While a2sd will allow this, these types of apps will not be created until there is official support for more storage, whether it's built-in or an a2sd implemented by Google (supposedly in the works but that basically means nothing until it's here).

Until the storage limits for downloaded apps is greatly relaxed (i.e. by apps2sd) we won't see as many really nice looking media rich apps as the iPhone and iPod Touch have. Most of the apps are multi-megabyte on that platform because there is no disincentive to including lots of media and taking up space like there is on non-rooted Android phones.
You can look at the current apps on the Android Market and come to the conclusion that apps2sd isn't a pressing need, but you'd be missing the bigger picture of all the apps that aren't there because nobody wants to download many multi-megabyte apps until we have essentially unlimited storage...

AndroidAppCritic said:
I've saying this in many of the discussions on a2sd for the N1. There are those who feel that it is not needed on the N1. However, there is less space on the N1 (appalling for 2010 and such a sweet device) than on the myTouch and we all had it on the myTouch. Given that there is less than 200MB of storage available for apps on the N1, unless we use a2sd we are doomed to using a small number of apps each being small in size. While I dislike just about everything about the iPhone, the one thing it has is the ability to install 100MB+ apps. While a2sd will allow this, these types of apps will not be created until there is official support for more storage, whether it's built-in or an a2sd implemented by Google (supposedly in the works but that basically means nothing until it's here).
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Agreed , totally agree. hope Google can implement the offical a2sd soon, can not wait for that.

AndroidAppCritic said:
I've saying this in many of the discussions on a2sd for the N1. There are those who feel that it is not needed on the N1. However, there is less space on the N1 (appalling for 2010 and such a sweet device) than on the myTouch and we all had it on the myTouch. Given that there is less than 200MB of storage available for apps on the N1, unless we use a2sd we are doomed to using a small number of apps each being small in size. While I dislike just about everything about the iPhone, the one thing it has is the ability to install 100MB+ apps. While a2sd will allow this, these types of apps will not be created until there is official support for more storage, whether it's built-in or an a2sd implemented by Google (supposedly in the works but that basically means nothing until it's here).
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absolutely agree. at the rate im going, im going to be out of internal storage memory by the end of this month. and by the way, i have both your apps on my g1 and cachemate on my nexus. both are extremely useful apps!

simms22 said:
absolutely agree. at the rate im going, im going to be out of internal storage memory by the end of this month. and by the way, i have both your apps on my g1 and cachemate on my nexus. both are extremely useful apps!
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Awesome. Since I haven't done a2sd on my N1 yet, I've once again realized the pressing need for my CacheMate. I don't know what non-root users do with all that junk on their devices (wish I would make it for non-root users). I really hope that I either don't need my app anymore or that it only has to be run once a month. This storage limitation is a joke. The first time I ran CacheMate on my N1 it cleared almost 50MB! That's 1/4 of the available space. I'd dump Android this phone if it wasn't rooted and I had to manually clear cache all day (I had CacheMate way before it came out ).

People can argue all night long as to whether or not app2sd is needed on the nexus one, but all I can say is that I love having it on mine. For one thing, I don't have to constantly check how much free space I have left on my phone nor do I have to regularly and manually clear my cache.
I know one guy on here who just got it setup on his n1 last night.
Before apps2sd, one of his apps kept crashing, after getting it setup on his nexus, he was very pleased.
kamasi36 said:
I don't know. I see a noticeable difference already in one of my apps. SPB TV doesn't crash anymore. 307mb ram and 183 rom. Cyanogen, man I don't know how you do it...I love b3 with with memory hack + apps2sd. Thanks man.
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Captivate is Laggy vs other Androids

I have been playing around with ATT Android phones over the last several months. I started with a Nexus One, nice phone very fast. Then purchased an Aria for the fun of it... again fast phone but too small. Lastly yesterday I picked up the Captivate, and with a 1ghz, the Aria seems faster than this phone. Seems to lag between screens and boot. Is it just me or anyone else see this? Is there a quick fix for this? Anyone?
Oh I hate touchwiz, worthless crap for a UI.....loaded ADW launcher instead
thanks
Larry

It really is a software thing with Touchwiz. After I installed Launcher pro I never looked back and it has been a lot faster.

There may be a bunch of apps running slowing the phone down. I have Advanced task killer, and kill a bunch of app every once in a while when It starts feeling slow.

tbae2 said:
It really is a software thing with Touchwiz. After I installed Launcher pro I never looked back and it has been a lot faster.
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Where did you find this Launcher pro, and how much faster is it than stock?

Check #17 out in this post. The Euro version owners have known about this for some time.
There are some fixes - but, most likely not until we can get some custom ROMS.

Launcher Pro helps a lot, just search the app market for it.

Ive been doing side by side comparisons of my N1 running CM6 and the Captivate all day. The Captivate is faster 95% of the time. Both running ADW launcher.

You can load ADW or LauncherPro from the Market. When you set as default home, you will not be able to use "Touchwiz" widgets.......

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Where did you find this Launcher pro, and how much faster is it than stock?
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A crapload faster. After installing it, the device is like lightning , haven't had any pauses. Just search the market. Think it is a beta.

Yes to all new samsung galaxy S owners get rid of the ****ty touchwiz launcher it sucks and its laggy as hell, get launcher pro instead.

whats the best widget pack to replace the touchwiz ones
is there a way to port sense widgets? (push from a htc/pull to captivate or something)

Kagoshema said:
whats the best widget pack to replace the touchwiz ones
is there a way to port sense widgets? (push from a htc/pull to captivate or something)
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eventually. Widget packs.. hmm you should just try out new stuff, explore and what not

Also, new news so to speak - LauncherPro will be coming out with a lot of integrated widgets that are similar to the SenseUI widgets.
Koxx - here on xda has made some really great widgets. I think I have purchased them all. MoonSpoon (used to be a very active themer and now is a lurker due to being busy elsewhere) made themes for all of Koxx's widgets.

If I just want to go back to the default Android drawer can I install the Launcher.apk from a Cyanogen 5.8 rom?

Even with Launcher Pro there seems to be some lagging issues. On the Vibrant thread, the a subject on Fixing Stalling/Lagging. On the vibrant it seems you can partition your SD card and have the files run off of it. They said that it runs faster on the sd card then the built in memory card. I trying to do this procedure but kind of stuck. I can't seem to get the phone in download mode. Still searching around if i can find out i let you guys know. Meantime check out the thread and if you find out or know how post it up on the Captivate side. Not much instructions on "HOW TO MOD CAPTIVATE" in our thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724251

sl8125 said:
Even with Launcher Pro there seems to be some lagging issues. On the Vibrant thread, the a subject on Fixing Stalling/Lagging. On the vibrant it seems you can partition your SD card and have the files run off of it. They said that it runs faster on the sd card then the built in memory card. I trying to do this procedure but kind of stuck. I can't seem to get the phone in download mode. Still searching around if i can find out i let you guys know. Meantime check out the thread and if you find out or know how post it up on the Captivate side. Not much instructions on "HOW TO MOD CAPTIVATE" in our thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724251
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Arguably, I don't see why this wouldn't work on the Captivate. Granted, I'm not going to be the one to try it right now, but it really should work just like that. Anyone feeling ballsy enough to give it a try?

I trying to get it done. but i am just not sure how it's done. trying to follow procedure but can't get pass step one. LOL

dougp.me said:
Arguably, I don't see why this wouldn't work on the Captivate. Granted, I'm not going to be the one to try it right now, but it really should work just like that. Anyone feeling ballsy enough to give it a try?
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I did it. It works great.
No more stalling at the moment, and my Quadrant score went up 100 points as well.
But be sure to follow the steps, and make sure you have enough room in data/data, and keep in mind that you can still fill data/data up with app installation. Google Earth is particularly bad about eating space here.
And keep in mind that the Galaxy S people that did this find that eventually it starts to stall again, so this is a band-aid.
When I get home tonight, I'll try the better, more effective SD card method, don't have an easy way to make an /ext3 partition on an SD card at the moment.

sl8125 said:
I trying to get it done. but i am just not sure how it's done. trying to follow procedure but can't get pass step one. LOL
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You need an external SD card, a program that will let you partition the ext3 format, and then you just need to follow their commands. Where are you getting stuck, maybe I can help guide you.

Croak said:
I did it. It works great.
No more stalling at the moment, and my Quadrant score went up 100 points as well.
But be sure to follow the steps, and make sure you have enough room in data/data, and keep in mind that you can still fill data/data up with app installation. Google Earth is particularly bad about eating space here.
And keep in mind that the Galaxy S people that did this find that eventually it starts to stall again, so this is a band-aid.
When I get home tonight, I'll try the better, more effective SD card method, don't have an easy way to make an /ext3 partition on an SD card at the moment.
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There's a few tools, but most will require a live CD to utilize.

Android accelerator - A Magic runs same speed than a Nexus

Hi all,
Very impressed after watching this video on the Cyanogen Mod :
Demo video : http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/...aster-flexycore-thanks-cyanogenmod-community/
I m pleased to share it with you and would like to know what you're thinking about this "droidBooster" which make an old HTC running at the same speed than a Nexus One! :

Whats the point of this?
What does a video of a video player proove? Wouldn't some real time benchmarks like linpack or quadrant be more proof.
Still why didnt they have 2 Nexus One's and show how much faster the one with droidbooster got.
All these booster softwares sound abit like all the BS booster softwares for windows.
sceptical...

Hmm I suspect that they are overclocking because they didnt mention anything about clock speed but lets hope that its legit
Edit: they have an apk in the market
Sent from my Nexus One using Tapatalk

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Hmm I suspect that they are overclocking because they didnt mention anything about clock speed but lets hope that its legit
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I hardly think they are overclocking becose that would make the software only runnable on rooted devices. Which would remove a huge part of their possible market share.
And overclocking with that much improvement in performance? Youd have to double the clock rates. Which on nearly all devices is damn close to impossible. Except for Desire-Z for example.
Unless they somehow are without Root overclocking it or changing the kernel to their own super optimized i dont really see how this is done.

nd the nexus one can fly beyond their limits?

They posted this video showing how it works basically:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEAz9fRoDmA

Their software modifies the Dalvik code, which means that you do not only need to be root, but you also can't install this software without modifying your ROM.

From the web page http://www.flexycore.com/droidbooster-overview.html
"DroidBooster technology enables to compile any Android Java code in optimized native binary when generating the ROM, taking full power of the underlying CPU for high performance and low power execution."
This is not overclocking, but maybe be a paid app (and very expensive app)
Sorry 4 my poor english

It's actually more like Jit.
See this video for further explications : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEAz9fRoDmA
Lol ok took me so much time to answer that already 4 ppl posted !!

After looking at the company website who developed DroidBooster, I discover an other Video with a principle presentation of droidbooster.
"DroidBooster relies on compiling and executing any embedded Java Code of an Android system as binary." according to the video available here:
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this thing is kinda bs imo. And the guy's voice is just gay

LoL
I hope to come out soon

If this thing really does what the company claims, then Google will probably buy the code from them. Also limiting this software to rooted phones means it wouldn't make a ton of cash, and then expecting them to cook and sign their own ROMs is a weird business model. In other words, it's meant for developers only, so we kinda have to wait for official incorporation.

exciting! hope they support the nexus ..

DDM123 said:
If this thing really does what the company claims, then Google will probably buy the code from them.
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No, I doubt this code is worth anything to google. All they say they are doing it converting the dalvic code into native code. If google wanted to do that they could very easily, the JIT they included with Froyo already does do it to some extent.

I won't believe this for a second. I have both the N1 and Magic, and I can safely say the N1 is MUCH faster. It should be a no-brainer, just look at the specs. The Magic was what -- the second Android ever!? They were bound to improve, and the N1 set the bar high a year ago. Now look at the plethora of fast devices we have, and the N1 can be thanked for that. I once read that one of the reasons Google launched the Nexus was to jump-start the "super" smart phone market, because manufacturers weren't pushing the bar far enough in their devices. N1 set a standard for the rest of them. The way I see it, the Magic was nothing more than an early experiment.
And I never had an issue playing videos on my Magic anyway. What proof is that? The N1 is definitely more responsive, boots 10x faster, never runs out of memory. The Magic pretty much requires an app killer; never needed one on the Nexus. I can go on and on, but I think I made my point.

Bloodflame said:
I won't believe this for a second. I have both the N1 and Magic, and I can safely say the N1 is MUCH faster. It should be a no-brainer, just look at the specs. The Magic was what -- the second Android ever!? They were bound to improve, and the N1 set the bar high a year ago. Now look at the plethora of fast devices we have, and the N1 can be thanked for that. I once read that one of the reasons Google launched the Nexus was to jump-start the "super" smart phone market, because manufacturers weren't pushing the bar far enough in their devices. N1 set a standard for the rest of them. The way I see it, the Magic was nothing more than an early experiment.
And I never had an issue playing videos on my Magic anyway. What proof is that? The N1 is definitely more responsive, boots 10x faster, never runs out of memory. The Magic pretty much requires an app killer; never needed one on the Nexus. I can go on and on, but I think I made my point.
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Not really. The point is that this guy is claiming to make java code run in native binary, thus ensuring that the CPU isn't doing unnecessary work to interpret and run java code. If possible (who's to say) then it would make a Magic run much faster than it does. It might even be feasible to suggest that it would run as fast as a stock Nexus.
Think about it this way, why is it that the original iPhone UI is so smooth? The code is optimized and run as a native binary, not some VM that has to be compiled and run by the CPU every time it wants it. Native code would make the Magic much faster.
The whole point is moot though, because this isn't something that you will see bundled into an .apk anytime soon. It might be novel code that Google picks up on and uses in later OS revisions though. Who knows.
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As i understand it will cost a high memory consumption, where 512mb of ram will be not enought for it (Actually its already not enough on miui rom with Dalvik VM, on nexus1 i have only 130mb free). And high power drain.
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Btw i dont believe it, they just want to make some money with air bubbles

Tim4 said:
As i understand it will cost a high memory consumption, where 512mb of ram will be not enought for it (Actually its already not enough on miui rom with Dalvik VM, on nexus1 i have only 130mb free). And high power drain.
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Btw i dont believe it, they just want to make some money with air bubbles
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"Only" 130MB free? It's 130MB that isn't ever used by the system, making it wasted 130MB, and you're referring to it as "only"?
This point was discussed zillions of times in Autokiller Minfree and "Don't need task killers" threads. Android has efficient memory management, Nexus having it VERY efficient since Froyo, much more efficient than really needed. It never uses its 400MB of user memory or even close to it.
Funny, how marketing affects people. They want more of the things they don't need.

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"Only" 130MB free? It's 130MB that isn't ever used by the system, making it wasted 130MB, and you're referring to it as "only"?
This point was discussed zillions of times in Autokiller Minfree and "Don't need task killers" threads. Android has efficient memory management, Nexus having it VERY efficient since Froyo, much more efficient than really needed. It never uses its 400MB of user memory or even close to it.
Funny, how marketing affects people. They want more of the things they don't need.
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Yeah, i call it "the only free memory."
Take a look:
You have 130mb left.
1)browser eats 65mb of ram. 65mb left
2)+some other apps that running at background/service.
So what i have in result?
My apps often be killed by android because out of memory.
The most anoying thing is when im surfing, writing some stuff on forums i get my browser killed with data lost. Its rare but still hapens.
Another real example: Dungeon Defenders. When i play it, i got almost all my apps be kicked from memory.
P.s. I know about wipe. Just moved to latest 1.1.14miui, have wiped everything 3 times.
P.s.2 ofcource it depends on how many apps you have and which rom you use. No problems with ram on stock android but i just dont like it, so...

Screen Wobble/Battery Consumption (Xperia Play User Comparison)

Hi Yall
Ive had the xperia play for around 2 weeks now and loving it but seeing as im pretty particular about my new gadgets im just wondering if my xperia play is the same as everyone elses.
Ive basically got only a couple queries which are:
1. How is your screen wobble when the slider is opened and closed?
With mine, when the slider is closed there is a slight gap between the gamepad and the screen so when you use the touch screen (for smsing etc) you can here the tapping of the screen on the gamepad.
When the slider is open on the other hand the same thing happens but only on the bottom 2 corners of the screen you can push them slightly down onto the gamepad with slight movement.
2. How is your battery usage/life?
With mine, I basically get 1 or 1.5 days battery life depending on what I am doing but I cant help notice that even with little things such as sending a quick sms or simply going through the phones settings will actually eat 1% or 2% of the battery life. This normal?
Lastly, im new to android as I have recently switched from the iphone so when im looking at the stock android app killer thats built into the device under the applications section. What is actually using the battery? As you go the the running apps part its got used and free application that show up. are both of these eating the battery or is it just the used ones?
Thank You in advance and thanks for comparing.

this has been discussed over and over again, please use search first before posting.
Anyway, Markus (developer I think) from Sony Ericsson confirmed the "LITTLE" wobble and small gap when closed is normal. That is in accordance to their design engineers' wants to allow users to have a good feel when using the gaming device. As with any side-slider phones, THIS IS NORMAL.
Regarding the battery, that is just fine. You are actually getting the juice out of it. Period. I had mine rooted and bloatware removed, but the difference in battery consumption against non-rooted didn't vary a lot. So I reverted back to NO BLOATWARE REMOVED (but still rooted though) to preserve my ability to update via OTA in the future and it's working just fine. I believe the phone is managing itself very well so there's no need for us to be doing a lot of tweaks that could be potentially dangerous. And oh, I believe you're already on 2.3.3 because on 2.3.2 the battery won't even last a day. Mine lasts a maximum of 35 hours on 2.3.3 with moderate use, 4-5 hours on straight gaming.
EDIT: Never use third-party App Killers/Task Managers! I read somewhere legit that they will just screw up your phone. Android phones are way better off with spiking memory usages because that's the time when the phone starts to manage itself actually. Remember, devs and engineers will never release a device that cannot manage itself. Love your device! Love it even more if it's in stock condition!

If you want speed, memory and more battery then do this
Batteryurchase juice defender ultimate, it's absolutely wonderful and ACTUALLY works. With root it saved me x1.50 on battery, without root it saved me x2. 0
Install memory booster, qwik boost and task killer will free up RAM and stop battery consumption for a few minutes.
Speed: unlocking bootloader and then rooting, installing titanium backup and removing bloatware, uninstalling useless apps and freezing will make it noticibly fast. You can also use. SETCPU for extended battery and faster performance. And SD speed increase
For more speed and precision , flash doomkernel
That will catapult your battery to 10 hours, and will get you to another day.
from my Xperia PLAY R800i using XDA App

Ok Guys
So has anyone got any fixes to make the device have no wobble at all? Tell us your story or innovations.

Cat_On_Droid said:
Install memory booster, qwik boost and task killer
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There really is no need to install these, they do more harm than good, its explained loads on XDA.
KoolMoeDee KMD said:
Ok Guys
So has anyone got any fixes to make the device have no wobble at all? Tell us your story or innovations.
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It is normal for the Play to have a slight wobble!
If you really want to inprove it you can use two of those little sticky pad things from the bottom of a mouse (no, not a real mouse, a pc mouse!), place them on the back of the Play while the screen is up, it stops it wobbling, there is a thread about it somewhere on here.

like i said in my post, that is normal. why fix something that is normal?

I just dont like the slight wobble, thats all
Its one of those things that eat at your very soul over time lol

then there's nothing we can do about that. no one's bothered about that here anyway.

So is anyone also experiencing one shoulder button being looser than the other?

FK1983 said:
There really is no need to install these, they do more harm than good, its explained loads on XDA.
It is normal for the Play to have a slight wobble!
If you really want to inprove it you can use two of those little sticky pad things from the bottom of a mouse (no, not a real mouse, a pc mouse!), place them on the back of the Play while the screen is up, it stops it wobbling, there is a thread about it somewhere on here.
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i wrote it wrong.Memory boosters features include ;Qwick Boost and Kill Running apps.ITs all in 1 APP. And it checks your free memory.
Thats what i meant.

Cat_On_Droid said:
i wrote it wrong.Memory boosters features include ;Qwick Boost and Kill Running apps.ITs all in 1 APP. And it checks your free memory.
Thats what i meant.
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Either way anything that kills apps is bad. I used to do it religiously on my old Droid, and then I read that article and said hey lets just give it a shot. Well it took a while (like a couple days) for the phone to catch up but it actually started to run BETTER and less stuff was crashing and force closing.
I still have Advanced task killer on my phone, but I use it for one thing only, to kill apps that screw up but don't Force Close (generally Facebook because that app is a piece of ****e....)

there's an article (legit one) i read somewhere saying app killers and advanced task managers plus battery calibration apps are actually dangerous to android phones. after all, android does memory spooling, so it manages its RAM on its own and we don't want to mess with that. as i always say, why intervene with something that's working properly? engineers made their phones act properly without / minimal management, so why bother?

KoolMoeDee KMD said:
I just dont like the slight wobble, thats all
Its one of those things that eat at your very soul over time lol
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Lol know what you meen, those small things, kind of ocd behavior Mine is rock steady no wobble here.
KoolMoeDee KMD said:
So is anyone also experiencing one shoulder button being looser than the other?
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My R is slightly looser, but that's from gaming on it.
Regards Dousan...
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Cat_On_Droid said:
i wrote it wrong.Memory boosters features include ;Qwick Boost and Kill Running apps.ITs all in 1 APP. And it checks your free memory.
Thats what i meant.
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Ahh ok, Sorry!

Screen wobble is barely noticeable, battery life is amazing.

narflynn619 said:
there's an article (legit one) i read somewhere saying app killers and advanced task managers plus battery calibration apps are actually dangerous to android phones. after all, android does memory spooling, so it manages its RAM on its own and we don't want to mess with that. as i always say, why intervene with something that's working properly? engineers made their phones act properly without / minimal management, so why bother?
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There is quite a good aricle on lifehacker that says all about the native memory management and why task killers are useless

Yes tasks managers are quite useless for Android.In fact, it is known to screw up some programs or functions because of closing the wrong programs.That being said i'm using the one that came with go launcher.
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Deoxlar said:
Yes tasks managers are quite useless for Android.In fact, it is known to screw up some programs or functions because of closing the wrong programs.That being said i'm using the one that came with go launcher.
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When i was using GO launcher, i had a nasty habbit of using the one in the app draw every time i opened it
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You can stick a teflon mouse skate at the back of the screen just behind the home button. It won't completely eliminate wobble but it makes it a lot more stable when pressing any of the face buttons or texting.

When a task killer kills apps, most of them just restart. If you want it to be truly effective, you need to have root, titanium pro, and freeze them.
Plus, task killers use extra CPU and ram, resulting in more power being used. They just keep killing apps repeatedly and eat your battery.
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