Basic question, i know the specs are far from close, but when you root + ram hack on a G1, will there be much of a performane difference between a Rooted G1 vs a Rooted MT3g?
Questioning becasue i have the option to trade my rooted mt3g for a unlocked/rooted G1. I just hate not having a keyboard
What do you guys think?
Am i making a bad move to downgrade? Or not much of a difference/
The tmobile-branded HTC MAGIC is the 32B version, 192RAM, 512NAND. All HTC DREAM are 192RAM,256NAND. So the ram itself is the same, you just end up with less internal storage.
Just note a couple of things;
1) If you use apps-to-sd, then the internal storage is moot.
2) If you have root, there are no OTA updates, so the 65 MB /cache partition is freed up for other uses.
Personally, I would NEVER switch from this phone to *anything* that lacked a physical keyboard. And that includes a GN1.
lbcoder said:
The tmobile-branded HTC MAGIC is the 32B version, 192RAM, 512NAND. All HTC DREAM are 192RAM,256NAND. So the ram itself is the same, you just end up with less internal storage.
Just note a couple of things;
1) If you use apps-to-sd, then the internal storage is moot.
2) If you have root, there are no OTA updates, so the 65 MB /cache partition is freed up for other uses.
Personally, I would NEVER switch from this phone to *anything* that lacked a physical keyboard. And that includes a GN1.
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so essentially i would have the same phone with a keyboard when rooted...is the cpu the same ? the 528mhz or whatnot?
jdedeaux said:
so essentially i would have the same phone with a keyboard when rooted...is the cpu the same ? the 528mhz or whatnot?
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1)Same CPU speed
yes
2)Same amount of Ram
yes
3)Same amount of ROM/Internal storage
No, this means that larger Roms will not fit on your Dream and you will have to use Apps2SD which makes a rom slower because of the links needed.Swap will also be used but not used on the Magic.It's up to you if any of this matters to you or not.
Ace42 said:
3)Same amount of ROM/Internal storage
No, this means that larger Roms will not fit on your Dream and you will have to use Apps2SD which makes a rom slower because of the links needed.Swap will also be used but not used on the Magic.It's up to you if any of this matters to you or not.
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Incorrect, on all counts.
Larger roms fit just fine as long as you aren't a complete moron about it.
Apps2SD is ***FASTER*** than keeping everything internal. The reason is that you have INCREASED BANDWIDTH!
Just because you are running an app does NOT mean that it is the ONLY thing drawing data from some storage device.
Each piece of hardware has certain bandwidth limits. If you are running a program from the sdcard, then more of the internal storage device's bandwidth is available for other things, thus net speedup!
Symlinks have ZERO effect on performance.
As for swap... wow. Totally WRONG.
The devices have the SAME AMOUNT OF RAM and therefore the SAME requirements for using extra RAM.
If you DECIDE to use swap on one, then since the other has EXACTLY THE SAME amount of RAM, you would also choose to use swap on THE OTHER.
Note: SWAP is SLOW, and it is BAD for NAND. I do NOT recommend it.
lbcoder said:
Incorrect, on all counts.
Larger roms fit just fine as long as you aren't a complete moron about it.
Apps2SD is ***FASTER*** than keeping everything internal. The reason is that you have INCREASED BANDWIDTH!
Just because you are running an app does NOT mean that it is the ONLY thing drawing data from some storage device.
Each piece of hardware has certain bandwidth limits. If you are running a program from the sdcard, then more of the internal storage device's bandwidth is available for other things, thus net speedup!
Symlinks have ZERO effect on performance.
Note: SWAP is SLOW, and it is BAD for NAND. I do NOT recommend it.
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sorry, bro. i generally agree with what you say... but apps2sd is NOT faster. I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space (this is my first actual smartphone not counting a blackberry) and once i got rid of it my phone has been quite faster. not to mention it burnt up the sdcard i got with the phone and another one i bought. (probably wont have this problem with a class 6.)
swap? lol. man how many times do i hear this. swap is personal pref. sure it slows your phone down. but 32mb backing-swap works wonders for me. it all depends on how you use your phone. and by NAND i hope you don't mean a nandroid backup. not once since I've had this phone has swap ever affected my nandroid backup in any little way whatsoever.
edit: oh as for physical keyboard: i was same way. had a friend with an iPhone and of course i played with it. well, i eventually learned how to use the keyboard so when i went to go get a g1 i decided to go all touchscreen and what can i say? i'm faster texting with a touchscreen than i am a physical keyboard. also, I have to point out that symbols are much easier to access. and when you have to write a long e-mail to college professors it's nice to be able to use them quickly and efficiently.
So, down to the nitty gritty?
It seems like everyone is more of a fan of the G1 vs the MT3g?
Is that the verdict?
To trade or not to trade, that is the question.
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sorry, bro. i generally agree with what you say... but apps2sd is NOT faster. I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space (this is my first actual smartphone not counting a blackberry) and once i got rid of it my phone has been quite faster. not to mention it burnt up the sdcard i got with the phone and another one i bought. (probably wont have this problem with a class 6.)
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You either had a defect, or did something wrong. By your own admission, you know **Mod Edit **about internal storage.
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You either had a defect, or did something wrong. By your own admission, you know **Mod Edit** about internal storage.
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if you're going to try and come off more educated than me, then may i suggest you read my whole post? much less go back to third grade english.
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sorry, bro. i generally agree with what you say... but apps2sd is NOT faster. I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space (this is my first actual smartphone not counting a blackberry) and once i got rid of it my phone has been quite faster. not to mention it burnt up the sdcard i got with the phone and another one i bought. (probably wont have this problem with a class 6.)
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I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space
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There's also a number of real disadvantages to using ?Apps2SD:
1. It will probably slow your apps down as it's thrashing the sd more - even if you have a class 6
2. you'll reduce the life of your sd card
3. you won't be able to remove your SD card/mount it on your pc if you wanted to without your phone crashing/apps dying/hanging/etc.
4. if your SD card is dodgy in the slightest then it will also cause the above.. 5. crashing/hanging/random coredumps, etc - and you'll probably just blame the rom you're using rather than realising it's your SD card.
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taken from xda-wiki... maybe you need to look at... number 2? **Mod Edit **sdcard + walmart doesn't equal class 6, giving it an ever higher chance of dieing.
jdedeaux said:
So, down to the nitty gritty?
It seems like everyone is more of a fan of the G1 vs the MT3g?
Is that the verdict?
To trade or not to trade, that is the question.
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The verdict is that the DREAM is an UPGRADE.
There's also a number of real disadvantages to using ?Apps2SD:
1. It will probably slow your apps down as it's thrashing the sd more - even if you have a class 6
2. you'll reduce the life of your sd card
3. you won't be able to remove your SD card/mount it on your pc if you wanted to without your phone crashing/apps dying/hanging/etc.
4. if your SD card is dodgy in the slightest then it will also cause the above.. 5. crashing/hanging/random coredumps, etc - and you'll probably just blame the rom you're using rather than realising it's your SD card.
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1.... well you will note that it says "probably" -- it does NOT say "definitely". There ARE circumstances where it WILL make things slower, such as when ALSO using SWAPPING.
I would like to point out a technology called RAID. Specifically, a subset of RAID: RAID 0 "striping". With this technology, you use two or more disks together to increase the performance. Overall data throughput is typically the SUM of the throughput of each individual disk.
This isn't quite as sophisticated as striping, but it has the same kind of effect -- that the overall peak throughput will be the sum of the throughput of the individual components.
2 is true of ANYTHING that writes data to your sdcard. Running applications on your sdcard does not typically write ANYTHING -- it is simply the process of INSTALLING them that writes. You can READ them an UNLIMITED number of times. As a result, it is NOT VALID.
3 *partly* incorrect. You can't *remove* the card (how many people actually do remove it? Answer: not many), but you CERTAINLY CAN mount it to your computer and read/write the fat32 partition (read only on the ext). Doing this does NOT cause ANY instability.
4 and 5 are the same thing, and this also applies to your INTERNAL NAND or ANY OTHER storage device that you happen to own. Your home computer, for example. What does it do if the hard disk starts to fail? Things start crashing and it gets real slow.
Summary of 1 through 5: Not applicable.
Just because the information goes over your head (clearly WAY over your head) does NOT mean that there is anything wrong with it.
And for your information, I am reporting this. This kind of disrespect has no place in civilized conversation.
Post tidied up. Next step is to ban anyone who continues to be abusive.
Remain on topic and civil. If you can't respond in that manner then don't post.
WB
lol you guys are nuts, i asked if i should keep my MT3g or trade a guy for his G1 and it got so bad the mods had to come in... now thats a ****ing nerd rage if i've ever seen one... Not being rude but you guys are the reason I can come here to ask these questions because i know im not gonna get a biased answer. Everyone DEFINITELY has their own opinions.
so..
G1 - 1 MT3G - 0
Anyone gonna ante up the MT3G or top off w/ the G1...
Just because you aren't swearing doesn't mean you aren't being abusive. Knock it off.
To the OP, it really varies on what you want. What matters more to you? To me, the hardware keyboard is a GIGANTIC plus. But I don't mind the extra bulk of the HTC Dream. Unless you have the upgraded RAM Magic, then the Dream is better imho.
Also, to finish things once and for all, Apps2sd will not have a gigantic impact on your SD card, at all. Yes, flash does have a limited life, and yes, apps2sd will kill that faster, but it won't be as fast as people are saying. Swap on SD, however, WILL kill flash relatively fast.
Related
This is in the Wiki, but thought I'd repost it here for all those who ask the same silly questions.
What Apps2SD does is shift all of your user applications (that would normally be installed on your phone's /data partition) and moves them onto a specially formatted ext2/ext3 partition on your SD card. This gives you the ability to install more apps than you would normally have the ability to. Sounds great huh? What's so wrong with that?
On the G1/Dream/ADP this app is a must - those phones have only a 256MB flash and only have 75MB for their data partition - it's
outrageous. Apps2SD/Cache2SD are great as they offload it the stuff to the SD card and reduce the limitation.
The HTC Magic (both 32A or 32B) and Hero are the next generation of Android devices though, and these phones have twice the flash of the previous generation (512MB). A large chunk of that (300MB) went to the /data partition, so installing apps isn't an issue.
There's also a number of real disadvantages to using http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Apps2SD&action=createApps2SD:
It will probably slow your apps down as it's thrashing the sd more - even if you have a class 6
you'll reduce the life of your sd card
you won't be able to remove your SD card/mount it on your pc if you wanted to without your phone crashing/apps dying/hanging/etc.
if your SD card is dodgy in the slightest then it will also cause the above.. crashing/hanging/random coredumps, etc - and you'll probably just blame the rom you're using rather than realising it's your SD card.
In the same vein, CompCache/Swap space/Swapper, et al are just as silly if you're a 32A/Hero owner.
Even on the G1/32B's it offers very dubious performance improvement - and there's no need with the 32A/Hero as you have plenty of ram. If you do install it you have all the same negative points I just listed above apply there too as they each use your SD card in much the same way.
Very old.
That post is quite outdated. The information there is relevant and fluid; however, whoever still follows that thread as being something to "take heed" to prior to allowing transfer of their APPS, CACHE, and DATA to the SD card they use...is entirely too broke to even own an Android-based platform.
SD cards nowadays; even the more efficient ones typically cost less than $30, including high-end retailers such as Best Buy and Fry's Electronics.
Who even worries about that crap anymore? That's such nonsense if you ask me. The fact is:
- Even if you could prove with some form of an exact science that utilizing those abilities and storing various amounts of data on your SD card was remotely harmful and could "wear down" (thus lessening the lifespan of the card) it would show that these results would be inconclusive until about a FULL YEAR had gone by.
Run-on sentence. I'm aware. But I had a point to make.
I just finished trying out app2sd in my magic for a few days and everything ran noticibly slower. I also disliked the notion of taking apps offline while copying via usb. I think this article raises valid points. *If* you aren't running out of room, then just leave it. You gain absolutely nothing.
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Hahahaha! I was reading for hours and hours of confusing tricks as how to do app2sd and whatever. Now comes a totally destroying tale!
I think ita worth it for a learning session to experiment.
My experience with previous sevaral Symbian phones, as most of them allowed applications to be installed on sd cards and nothing ever went wrong.Fring, Nimbuzz,Maps etc were on almost all times .Especvially Fring or Nimnuzz.
I like mu HTC Magic and put Enom's latest Tmobile ROM.It is fast and stable.Why couldny Android writers gave us the choice in first place- to select you appliocation to install in phone or storage memory like Symbian or WM? Is it something they forgot? Can it be included in future major updates?
It's not a concern of mine.
To put my response earlier quite simply:
I have 4-5 microSDHC cards laying around. All of which are Class 6. I'm not really concerned about "killing" an SD card sooner than it expected. It's an SD card for Christ sake.
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[*]you'll reduce the life of your sd card
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I don't think it's a big deal because nowadays most flash memory come with lifetime or at least 5 years warranty. And by the time my 16GB microsd dies, I probably can buy another one for less than 10 bucks.
tengtengvn said:
I don't think it's a big deal because nowadays most flash memory come with lifetime or at least 5 years warranty. And by the time my 16GB microsd dies, I probably can buy another one for less than 10 bucks.
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Pretty sure the cost of the card is the last thing to worry about. What if you have pics, docs, video that you haven't backed up for some reason and it takes all your info with it. Besides are people actually installing that many apps? I can't see needing or using more than what the phone can store.
Clinton
Money ain't nothing but paper.
Yessssir.
I could make it rain.
SD cards are so cheap. What's $20 to most people...nothing! Enough said. Thread closed. Lol.
While the cost of a micro SD card is neglible, the damage to your phone when you lose all your apps, preferences, settings and get random hangs, errors, slowdowns while the SD card dies IS an issue.
And who cares if you have a dozen or even hundreds of microsd cards - once you've configured Apps2SD then you're prettymuch stuck with the one you have - try and remove it and be prepared for a screwed up phone.
All this hassle for such little benefit!
Wow.
Radix999 said:
While the cost of a micro SD card is neglible, the damage to your phone when you lose all your apps, preferences, settings and get random hangs, errors, slowdowns while the SD card dies IS an issue.
And who cares if you have a dozen or even hundreds of microsd cards - once you've configured Apps2SD then you're prettymuch stuck with the one you have - try and remove it and be prepared for a screwed up phone.
All this hassle for such little benefit!
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Bro, common sense...
BACK YOUR **** UP AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.
Problem averted. I'm a busy guy, but find plenty of time to periodically, whether it's bi-weekly, etc. to back everything up.
We're gravy.
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2. you'll reduce the life of your sd card
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As was said, I doubt it will really matter.
And if it does... I prefer to down my SD card, which I can replace (and normally, not all recorded data vanish suddenly if it wears down ! you should only see total memory decreasing, and maybe loosing "some" data)...
....instead of my phone internal memory which I won't be able to replace at all !
I have a magic so for now I can live without apps2SD, though even now I am forced to make choices to get some free space.
Here are some of the issues I had running Apps2SD on my G1:
Backup for root users wouldn't backup apps that were on the SDcard.
If I unmounted or removed the card even with the phone off, many apps would disappear or become corrupt.
Sometimes things would go wrong and the only fix was to reformat and partition the SD card. I had big problems when I was testing Hero roms. I used two different cards and they both had similar issues even though they checked out fine.
Here is why I love Apps2SD:
There are so many great apps for Android and the memory limitations of the G1 would have kept me from being able to give dazzling demos.
Just getting it set up before all the tutorials were available taught me plenty about rooting around the Android guts.
It was really cool to be able to say "oh, you're out of memory? I've got 72MB free with 80 apps installed, but it's no big deal."
I say go ahead and try it out, but be prepared for the worst. I don't remember if Nandroid backups got the apps from the SDcard. I got a Magic PVT 32a with 288MB and never looked back.
Enjoy!
Bwhaha!
I don't back my computer up very often? Hard Drive....What Hard Drive? BIOS is all I got.... Pretty funny!
I don't think anyone is arguing against backups, and I agree the sd destruction argument is somewhat dubious, but that doesn't change the others! The point was: absolutely if you're running a 32b mboard apps2sd is worth a look, but as a magic user, I'm telling you I've tried it and went back after 2 days. The earler post about it being worth it as an experiment might well be true, but I wish I had read that article first!
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hi Radix999!
Thank you for porting 32a. My question is, how do i disable App2SD?
I'm using linux so i don't have problem with partions, my problem is to unmount /data/app folder.
Also, will nandroid backup /data folder as well?
Regards
if interested to disable:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5246028
Reignzone said:
Yessssir.
I could make it rain.
SD cards are so cheap. What's $20 to most people...nothing! Enough said. Thread closed. Lol.
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The cheap cost of replacing flash memory won't make the other points go away... and you still have the risk of losing your data. Throw all your money at your phone and you still can't mount your SD card without crashing some apps... all that paper ain't gonna make your apps run faster on Apps2SD than it does on system memory
To begin with, if you got all that dough, why don't you go get a 32A? Or better yet, go grab one of the shiny new phones running Snapdragon, no need for Apps2SD there
the biggest advantage from app2sd for me is not the fact that I can save phone memory even though I have like 80 games and 40 apps installed; but it's because it will save me a lot of time re-installing each and every single app and game between roms testing.
and the biggest disadvantage from app2sd is that your phone depends on that tiny little plastic too much. it wont even turn on without that piece of plastic; and thats very weird cuz i thought app2sd only move other apps (not system apps cuz your system apps are still in /system/app) to your sd card which means system apps should still be able to start your phone without the microsd. But I guess I was wrong cuz my phone wouldn't turn on wihout the sd card installed.
jus my $.02
APP2SD how?
How do you do apps 2 sd? i want to try it out. can some one help or point me to a different forum?
-rooted mt3g 32b
I think the whole life reduction theory is pure b.s whats the difference between you using your micro sd card on the daily bases to transfer data from a computer or having it transfer data in your phone via apps2sd? None at all they use the same transfer mechanism correct?.I have a G1 and a behold 2 been using the same 4GB micro sd card for over 2 years in my G1 I even swapped it and now I use it in my behold 2 (without formatting and without loosing my apps) and have yet to endure any problems/lag slow downs maybe the people who complain simply have no knowledge of the device.both of my phones are rooted with swap partitions and custom firmware and are 2/3 faster than what they were when they came stock.With that being said it will not slow your experience down if you know what you are doing.And you can remove your SDcard without damaging your device you just have to take the BATTERY out before you take the SDCARD out.I do this on the daily bases depending on which phone I prefer to use and theirs no evidence to support the reduction in life for the microsd cards atleast not on any of my devices.
forgive me if this has been said before...
i have been having major battery issues on all roms. i have installed most of them and tried all the different radios etc..my battery life would drop about 15 percent in an hour in stand by mode, and would drain really fast if i used it at all....also the os would be very laggy, and i was JUST about to put it on craigslist then i decided to take all my pictures, cabs etc.. of my memory card, and format the whole thing. WOW what a difference, night and day, i am on the new 9.0 Elacancia ROM, and i am living it. runs perfect, i have not used my nexus one since i did this...NO lag what so ever, and my battery life is AMAZING now...im on the brand new radio listed in the radio section
so, if you have any of those issues, format your SD card..works wonders..again, sorry if this is already known. just thought i would share..
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trying to get mine to look like the evo 4g.
ima try this later , ill update after ive used it for a while.
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ima try this later , ill update after ive used it for a while.
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great! i hope this helps some people...i know i live my hd2 so much more right now
not exactly quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. BUT.... i highly doubt that it had ANYTHING to do with your battery life... this statement comes from 2 sources.... common sense, and software development....
think of it like this....
your sd card is simply a storage medium... it contains data that is used in conjunction with your mobile device.... in order for you sd card to actually "increase" your battery life or even OS performance... it would have to somehow power your device electronically in order to have any type of effect at all....
like i stated before... not quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. and i fully understand that the battery issue with our HD2 can be a little frustrating and can/will ultimately lead to the "placebo" effect which occurs in a lot of the "performance" mods that have surfaced here on XDA....
unfortunately the best way to increase your battery life is to minimize usage... (which is retarded.... why should i buy a phone and not be able to utilize every single function available..???) or get a extended battery....
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on a side note though... what bothers me the most.. is that with the EVO 4G release.. it came stock with a 1500mh battery capacity... and there are ALREADY extended batteries for the device.. (WITHOUT having to have a stupid huge back cover)... this is extremely irritating at how no one seems to be able to develop a 1500mh standard size battery for our HD2.. when the EVO and HD2 are actually quite similar in dimension... thus the battery size itself is similar... this is mind boggling...
enjoy the lesson
ah yes.. and my buddy ken.. enter lame reply here..... ouche....... d ccheers
sd cards and how you use them can have quite an effect on battery.
by default the 2gb or lower ones come formatted FAT not FAT32, so they are a little less inefficient in read write
the block size that the sd card is formatted in can have a big effect on battery life. Say for instance 2k block size vs 4k block size, in a 2k block sd card you need to perform twice as many read operations than a 4k formatted card. The downside of increasing blocksize is more wasted overhead.
If you are using your card for mostly music and images, (i.e larger files), you can increase the block size significantly, right up to 16k, i would say. That way each read operation takes in 16k, 4 times less reads than 4k, 8 times less than 2k.
Plus, if you install a lot of your apps to the sd card, it will be pretty much running all the time, so the phone is powering three memory chips, rom, ram and sd, and the sd flash chip is more power hungry than the built in flash chips.
If you further have an app running from sd, and an mp3 playing from sd, and m,aybe the opera cache on sd like many have, you can probably hold your breath longer than 1% will last.
Ive been experiencing this too. I am backing up my SD now, and about to format to fat32. Twice.
Got this advice from Laurentis26 last night .
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Formatted to 16k, now loading up my backup.
~~Tito~~ said:
Ive been experiencing this too. I am backing up my SD now, and about to format to fat32. Twice.
Got this advice from Laurentis26 last night .
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Formatted to 16k, now loading up my backup.
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And the verdict is?
I have heard some people reporting improvements after reformatting their SDCard. Though anyone formatting their SDCard make sure you back up your damn Transformers movies so you don't loose them, no one here can give them back to you.
One other thing I have found that helps is install all your apps on the phone instead of the SDCard. For me that has improved the overall performance.
ProjektFuze said:
not exactly quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. BUT.... i highly doubt that it had ANYTHING to do with your battery life... this statement comes from 2 sources.... common sense, and software development....
think of it like this....
your sd card is simply a storage medium... it contains data that is used in conjunction with your mobile device.... in order for you sd card to actually "increase" your battery life or even OS performance... it would have to somehow power your device electronically in order to have any type of effect at all....
like i stated before... not quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. and i fully understand that the battery issue with our HD2 can be a little frustrating and can/will ultimately lead to the "placebo" effect which occurs in a lot of the "performance" mods that have surfaced here on XDA....
unfortunately the best way to increase your battery life is to minimize usage... (which is retarded.... why should i buy a phone and not be able to utilize every single function available..???) or get a extended battery....
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on a side note though... what bothers me the most.. is that with the EVO 4G release.. it came stock with a 1500mh battery capacity... and there are ALREADY extended batteries for the device.. (WITHOUT having to have a stupid huge back cover)... this is extremely irritating at how no one seems to be able to develop a 1500mh standard size battery for our HD2.. when the EVO and HD2 are actually quite similar in dimension... thus the battery size itself is similar... this is mind boggling...
enjoy the lesson
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sorry, but no lesson there...
love how some people talk down to other here...
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sd cards and how you use them can have quite an effect on battery.
by default the 2gb or lower ones come formatted FAT not FAT32, so they are a little less inefficient in read write
the block size that the sd card is formatted in can have a big effect on battery life. Say for instance 2k block size vs 4k block size, in a 2k block sd card you need to perform twice as many read operations than a 4k formatted card. The downside of increasing blocksize is more wasted overhead.
If you are using your card for mostly music and images, (i.e larger files), you can increase the block size significantly, right up to 16k, i would say. That way each read operation takes in 16k, 4 times less reads than 4k, 8 times less than 2k.
Plus, if you install a lot of your apps to the sd card, it will be pretty much running all the time, so the phone is powering three memory chips, rom, ram and sd, and the sd flash chip is more power hungry than the built in flash chips.
If you further have an app running from sd, and an mp3 playing from sd, and m,aybe the opera cache on sd like many have, you can probably hold your breath longer than 1% will last.
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Thank you for that. Great info. i 100% agree. maybe you should give the guy above a "lesson"..
thanks!
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I had to go to the Doctor's and bandage up my nail on my index finger because I pulled it out when I was leaving my house yesterday. It was part ways out and its not too bad. Anyways going to do a fresh flash, fresh install of stuff using 32k formatted 16gb SD card. Going to be using Laurentis26's rom again.
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I had to go to the Doctor's and bandage up my nail on my index finger because I pulled it out when I was leaving my house yesterday. It was part ways out and its not too bad. Anyways going to do a fresh flash, fresh install of stuff using 32k formatted 16gb SD card. Going to be using Laurentis26's rom again.
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Do let us know how it works at 16k blocks.
Cheers.
EDIT: By the way, how are you flashing your SD card? Are you using a proper SD-CARD formatter program? I think Panasonic has a program called Panasonic SD Card Formatter which is designed specifically for SD cards.
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Do let us know how it works at 16k blocks.
Cheers.
EDIT: By the way, how are you flashing your SD card? Are you using a proper SD-CARD formatter program? I think Panasonic has a program called Panasonic SD Card Formatter which is designed specifically for SD cards.
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I've never had any issues with the Windows format tool. I think that works just as good.
Suggestion isn't completely wrong
I don't believe anyone should come to a fast conclusion (those coming with "2" sources), until all scenarios are accounted for.
1) The more you run apps off of the card, a correctly formatted card will result in less energy consumption.
2) The HTC does seem to cache certain items on the card during usage, again formatting will affect read/write performance.
3) Consider the current war of "new" SSD drives. One of the primary factors driving performance is the block size and efficient use of data organization, to a point of very significant gains.
Logically, the way I see it, for any reduction in processing time, the more efficient battery use will be. Now to what extent, I'm not sure.
One thing I do know for certain is, loud mouthed people, who think quick and talk load are often laughed at by those who think first and talk later.
I just formatted my card as well, to FAT 32, with a block size of 16. Unfortunately, I can't compare, because I'm now running Energy's MaxSense ROM, so apple's to oranges. For what it's worth, I'm really happy with it. It's the first time I've ever flashed something, and it took me all of 30 minutes. Easy to do, only a few quick steps and such an improvement in general. A few bugs, especially when dealing with screen rotation between apps. Yet it's a welcomed trade off, considering functionality.
Got off track... Any way, I appreciate this thread! Even if you are/are not correct, this is a forum, built for discussion.
is there a way that the members here can refrain from senseless remarks? you can believe anything you want.. but that's not the argument... the discussion is about facts... and the fact is... formatting your sd card will NOT increase your battery life... before i was just informing but now... I'm actually surprised at how many people refuse to listen to facts and evidence... since I'm sure none have the abilities to replicate some actual testing like myself... just do a simple search... in Yahoo! or Google.. this is a common misconception and I'm merely informing....
again, believe what you want... proceed how you need to... but don't pretend like i don't have the slightest clue of what I'm talking about because that is just incorrect.... just let opinions be opinions and facts be facts... only internet tards confuse the 2... understand?
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I don't believe anyone should come to a fast conclusion (those coming with "2" sources), until all scenarios are accounted for.
1) The more you run apps off of the card, a correctly formatted card will result in less energy consumption.
2) The HTC does seem to cache certain items on the card during usage, again formatting will affect read/write performance.
3) Consider the current war of "new" SSD drives. One of the primary factors driving performance is the block size and efficient use of data organization, to a point of very significant gains.
Logically, the way I see it, for any reduction in processing time, the more efficient battery use will be. Now to what extent, I'm not sure.
One thing I do know for certain is, loud mouthed people, who think quick and talk load are often laughed at by those who think first and talk later.
I just formatted my card as well, to FAT 32, with a block size of 16. Unfortunately, I can't compare, because I'm now running Energy's MaxSense ROM, so apple's to oranges. For what it's worth, I'm really happy with it. It's the first time I've ever flashed something, and it took me all of 30 minutes. Easy to do, only a few quick steps and such an improvement in general. A few bugs, especially when dealing with screen rotation between apps. Yet it's a welcomed trade off, considering functionality.
Got off track... Any way, I appreciate this thread! Even if you are/are not correct, this is a forum, built for discussion.
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well said!
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and the fact is... formatting your sd card will NOT increase your battery life...
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well..sorry..but it did....
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is there a way that the members here can refrain from senseless remarks? you can believe anything you want.. but that's not the argument... the discussion is about facts... and the fact is... formatting your sd card will NOT increase your battery life... before i was just informing but now... I'm actually surprised at how many people refuse to listen to facts and evidence... since I'm sure none have the abilities to replicate some actual testing like myself... just do a simple search... in Yahoo! or Google.. this is a common misconception and I'm merely informing....
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Ahh, the internet has spoken so it must be truth.
I can see battery use going down some by formatting a SD card. But it's not the formatting that would fix anything, it's removing all the installed apps from that SD card as a result of formatting. Especially any apps that periodically check things in the background and make reads/writes from the SD card. The more of these types of apps installed on a SD card and the more apps in general installed on a SD card being removed by formatting, the less battery draw from running those apps.
But do realize, as soon as you put all that stuff back on your right back to where you started.
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great! i hope this helps some people...i know i live my hd2 so much more right now
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hmm battery life doesnt seem too diffrent but the music loads sooo much faster now!
Bought this tablet used, I just noticed that its only reading 12.71gb of internal sd space. I also have a A200, that reads the full 16gb. What gives? As a tech, I can only think some of the chips went bad causing it to decrease, but since I don't know much about tablets, there a posibility that I am wrong. Could anyone clarify this for me? Did I buy a defective unit? I mean besides the short memory, it works just fine. Running Flex 1.1 as we speak. Surprisingly runs smoother then the A200.
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Bought this tablet used, I just noticed that its only reading 12.71gb of internal sd space.
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Are you sure the remaining 3.29gb have not been partitioned for other uses (ie linux install -or- something else)?
To be honest I do not know if the guy who I bought from had done any of that. How would I know? As far as I can tell, it was stock when I got it. Doesn't mean much but how would one check if it's been partitioned?
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Bought this tablet used, I just noticed that its only reading 12.71gb of internal sd space. I also have a A200, that reads the full 16gb. What gives? As a tech, I can only think some of the chips went bad causing it to decrease, but since I don't know much about tablets, there a posibility that I am wrong. Could anyone clarify this for me? Did I buy a defective unit? I mean besides the short memory, it works just fine. Running Flex 1.1 as we speak. Surprisingly runs smoother then the A200.
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The shortages of internal memory is fine because that memory is use for system and other rom related files. The 12.71GB visible is for you to use as will. You can use that 12.GB to store whatever you like. I also have a 16GB a500, and it only shows internal storage of 12..GB with flash ROM.
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Are you sure the remaining 3.29gb have not been partitioned for other uses (ie linux install -or- something else)?
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Say Whaaaatttt?????? Partition internal to what?????
OP
Your 12.xx is completely normal.
The remaining space is occupied (like the previous poster stated) by things such as the OS, boot.img, bootloader, Cache, Dalvik Cache, and other mandatory things.
Depending on which rom you ae currently running, this value can change a little.
Relax. It's normal.
MD
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Say Whaaaatttt?????? Partition internal to what?????
OP
Your 12.xx is completely normal.
The remaining space is occupied (like the previous poster stated) by things such as the OS, boot.img, bootloader, Cache, Dalvik Cache, and other mandatory things.
Depending on which rom you ae currently running, this value can change a little.
Relax. It's normal.
MD
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I see, the 16gb is very misleading, reason I asked is because my A200 and pretty much every other android device always show the advertised memory. I guess the A500 is a unique one. I guess its like a hard drive, you buy a 500gb HDD but your really only get 467gb lol.
Thanks guys I do appreciate the feed back. I bought this device for $220 and its been used for about a year. It's good condition, and it runs faster then the A200, scrolling, web browsing, etc, just runs smoother. The A200 I bought practically new, I have Flex on it, Kernel that allows me to go to 1.5ghz, pretty much same settings, yet the A500 is faster. Interesting...
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I see, the 16gb is very misleading, reason I asked is because my A200 and pretty much every other android device always show the advertised memory. I guess the A500 is a unique one. I guess its like a hard drive, you buy a 500gb HDD but your really only get 467gb lol.
Thanks guys I do appreciate the feed back. I bought this device for $220 and its been used for about a year. It's good condition, and it runs faster then the A200, scrolling, web browsing, etc, just runs smoother. The A200 I bought practically new, I have Flex on it, Kernel that allows me to go to 1.5ghz, pretty much same settings, yet the A500 is faster. Interesting...
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The 500/501 is probably the best tab Acer made. Pretty much bulletproof nowadays.
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The fact that"system memory* takes up 6GB when you first get the tablet is ridiculous. A 16GB tablet and you're already down to 10 straight out of the box.
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The fact that"system memory* takes up 6GB when you first get the tablet is ridiculous. A 16GB tablet and you're already down to 10 straight out of the box.
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That's par for the course with JB + bloat that mfg's install these days. At least you can throw in a 64GB (possibly even the 128GB) microSD card and have plenty of storage for media and extra apps. Not sure if you flash one of the debloated/deodexed ROM's if you free up a lot more space in the 16GB memory?
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That's par for the course with JB + bloat that mfg's install these days. At least you can throw in a 64GB (possibly even the 128GB) microSD card and have plenty of storage for media and extra apps. Not sure if you flash one of the debloated/deodexed ROM's if you free up a lot more space in the 16GB memory?
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Agreed, it is pretty common. The bloat is not nearly as bad as thought, plus I think LG's apps are quite nice.
Video player - Certainly one of the best stock players I have seen, allowing many video formats, though I still use BS Player.
QRemote - is hands down the best of its kind.
Qtranslator - is a very impressive tool IMHO. You point the camera at a sign or text, it scans it, and will translate it into any language of your choice.
QVoice - the voice-activated personal assistant is fascinating though imperfect. Still, it understands commands such as "Wake me in 40 minutes", and will automatically set the alarm to ring for you. Of all the LG apps, it is the heaviest, requiring three files totaling roughly 150MB. Understandable nonetheless.
Video editor - Very practical, and very efficient.
LG weather widget - Frankly, I think this is the best weather/clock widget I have seen on any phone/tablet, better than HTC, Samsung or other. Not only is it very attractive with high resolution graphics, but if you go to landscape it instantly changes shape to show several days forecast. With the lock screen on, it will display the weather on your screen. For example, if it is raining, it will look like it is raining on the screen. A cool effect.
The other apps are quite standard, such as music player, memo, notebook, and a few others.
No doubt this all adds up, but not GB worth, and people would be far more critical of LG if new buyers found themselves missing these basic features. Still, if you hate this, feel free to go for one of the CyanogenMod ROMS, or the stock-modified LRS.
Well see I have the Verizon variant and there is still not a root for it yet. I have a 32GB SD card in it now but I would like to have more system memory too.
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Well see I have the Verizon variant and there is still not a root for it yet. I have a 32GB SD card in it now but I would like to have more system memory too.
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Why? What difference does it make whether it is System memory or external?
Because the more stuff that's on the internal memory the slower the tablet will perform? That's kind of a proven fact.
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Because the more stuff that's on the internal memory the slower the tablet will perform? That's kind of a proven fact.
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I would kind of like to see that proof.
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I would kind of like to see that proof.
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So would I.
Seriously? You guys don't believe that if you have 10MB free of internal memory that the tablet or phone will perform slower? That's not a thought that's ever crossed your mind?
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Seriously? You guys don't believe that if you have 10GB free of internal memory that the tablet or phone will perform slower? That's not a thought that's ever crossed your mind?
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Why would it cross our minds? You are completely wrong.
You're right
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You're right
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In any case, consider the situation of owners of tablets such as the Nexus 7 or an iPad Mini who have no easy option to upgrade the storage space, since these do not accept microSD cards. IMO they are the ones who should be heading this thread.
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Well see I have the Verizon variant and there is still not a root for it yet. I have a 32GB SD card in it now but I would like to have more system memory too.
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There is root via kingo, just not recovery.
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Seriously? You guys don't believe that if you have 10MB free of internal memory that the tablet or phone will perform slower? That's not a thought that's ever crossed your mind?
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Limited Free space on the storage part of an android device typically only causes a performance impact if trim is not working on the device and therefore the remaining free space gets fragmented badly (typically no longer an issue), or if cache files can then not get created by the software that is trying to cache. This statement is assuming that the additional carrier bloatware can be disabled from always running in the background and hey, you are reading this on XDA which means we can typically root the device and use Titanium Backup (or similar tools) to freeze the bloat that wants to run in the background. Just having less storage space on a storage device which isn't fragmented and is using a modern file system which has sufficient remaining space for caching should have no impact on performance in practice...
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There is root via kingo, just not recovery.
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I am unable to get kingo to work on VK810, will not even recognize that my device is connected.
I am beyond frustrated trying to root this tablet. Any help would be appreciated. It also doesn't appear to be a driver related issue, as I've tried all drivers that other have recommended and worked for them.
I've heard that Samsung have decided against this fantastic feature out the box, something that annoys me somewhat. They probably don't trust people will know what it is and will ruin their phones as a result or perhaps they're scared people will run a class 4 card and reduce the system to a crawl. Either way, it should be an option if you ask me, even if it doesn't happen by default and you have to go out of your way to enable. I'd like to encrypt my S7 Edge, but have a decent amount of storage at the same time. The idea of having my phone encrypted but someone simply being able to remove the SD card and view it's contents isn't appealing at all.
I'm wondering if Samsung don't end up offering it in a future update, if it's something that can be baked into a custom stock build. Root would be required of course, but that's something I intend to perform as soon as it becomes available, I don't care about the Knox flag. I'm in the UK for a start so Samsung Pay means jack to me. And I've only every had a single repair performed by Samsung, and they did it free of charge despite the knox flag being tripped.
If you're lucky, then it'll end up in the new labs features. I think Samsung should've made it a developer setting out of the box but oh well. I prefer portable storage anyway.
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If you're lucky, then it'll end up in the new labs features. I think Samsung should've made it a developer setting out of the box but oh well. I prefer portable storage anyway.
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Completely agree!
That was one thing I was counting on! I mean come on they want us to be able to transfer data more effectively... They have created apps that allow us to do that via phone to phone through Samsung or with 3rd party apps.
Let us do what we want with our phone! I was banking on this feature. If they are afraid people with crappy microSD cards will complain about speeds make it a user agreement before formatting the card that they must accept.
Warning formatting this card and allowing adoptable storage may slow down the device and Samsung is not held liable. Agree and format or Cancel..... Problem solved.
The other thing that really killed me is no IR blaster... I found out after I preoreded. I just figured it would be there... I use that every day.... So now I am going to have to carry around my Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition.... That I was going to give to my wife once I got the bigger phone.... LOL
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The other thing that really killed me is no IR blaster... I found out after I preoreded. I just figured it would be there... I use that every day.... So now I am going to have to carry around my Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition.... That I was going to give to my wife once I got the bigger phone.... LOL
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I've found the next best thing... Have you looked into Harmony Hub? It is a little wifi device with an IR blaster that integrates into your TV environment. It works great for me, and I can use it no matter which phone I pick in the future since it is just an app at that point and doesn't need any special hardware other than wifi.
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I've found the next best thing... Have you looked into Harmony Hub? It is a little wifi device with an IR blaster that integrates into your TV environment. It works great for me, and I can use it no matter which phone I pick in the future since it is just an app at that point and doesn't need any special hardware other than wifi.
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Does it run any app?
I LOVE anymote! I use it on all my tvs. I have macros set up for each tv to turn on tv, sat box, blu ray, ps4, audio amp.... or whatever I want to use or turn off with push of buttons.
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Does it run any app?
I LOVE anymote! I use it on all my tvs. I have macros set up for each tv to turn on tv, sat box, blu ray, ps4, audio amp.... or whatever I want to use or turn off with push of buttons.
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No, you need to use the Harmony Remote App to control the TV with Harmony Hub. Its pretty robust and compatibility is top notch, it even will control Philips Hue lighting as well, but you definitely will be limited to just the Harmony app on your phone.
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No, you need to use the Harmony Remote App to control the TV with Harmony Hub. Its pretty robust and compatibility is top notch, it even will control Philips Hue lighting as well, but you definitely will be limited to just the Harmony app on your phone.
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OK. Thanks for info..
Does it have macro capability? That is huge for me. I mean Anymote is so robust and is constantly adding things to it. I hate to give it up. I really wish Samsung wouldn't have screwed up and would have spent the $2.00 it would have taken to put the ir blaster on it. I have seen a kickstarter add on which adds an IR to any phone but it looks pretty hideous in my opinion and you can't have a case with it from the way it looks.
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OK. Thanks for info..
Does it have macro capability? That is huge for me. I mean Anymote is so robust and is constantly adding things to it. I hate to give it up. I really wish Samsung wouldn't have screwed up and would have spent the $2.00 it would have taken to put the ir blaster on it. I have seen a kickstarter add on which adds an IR to any phone but it looks pretty hideous in my opinion and you can't have a case with it from the way it looks.
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If by macro you mean something like.... press one button to A) turn on television B) turn on DVD Player C) change to input 3
yes it does things like that.
can you root your phone and use Link2SD app?
I'm torn on it... what I don't understand is, why didn't they leave it to the user? could warn with a pop up pointing out the intended use and risk of data loss upon removal.
I actually don't know if it's something I'd use. I like to use my SD cards for data storage for things like pictures etc. now when my S7 comes in, i'll pop out my sd from my Note edge and put it in this one. there goes most of stuff moved over. you can't do this with the adoptable storage. I'd have to put all the pics onto my laptop, and move them back.
and yes... very sad with the IR blaster. not something I use often, but I love it when I do. it's sad to see it go. I liked using Peel because of the interactive tv guide which shows me what's playing, and I can just tune to that movie.
why remove such a small feature but so unique to this phone!? I guess we'll hopefully see it in S8
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why remove such a small feature but so unique to this phone!? I guess we'll hopefully see it in S8
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I actually wouldn't be surprised if Samsung did this on purpose to see how many, if any would cry and be upset by removal of the IR Blaster. And develop the S8 according to the results.
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yes, i have that. Love it.
You can encrypt the SD card so it will only work on the S7 (atleast I could on my S7 Edge). I hate the way the SD is used right now and I am with you on enabling Adoptable Storage in a dev option or lab setting somewhere.
You have to understand the MASSIVE performance penalty you get by writing on the SD card (SD card is maybe x10 slower than the internal storage). If you enable the adopted storage feature on the 2015 Moto X pure for instance, it will have unintended consequences, like inability to record video at 1080p, or a lot of UI lags and stutters and overall sh1t UI experience.
I personally do not think this is a smart feature, I do use my internal storage and SD card differently, I need to know where I am writing to.
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You have to understand the MASSIVE performance penalty you get by writing on the SD card (SD card is maybe x10 slower than the internal storage). If you enable the adopted storage feature on the 2015 Moto X pure for instance, it will have unintended consequences, like inability to record video at 1080p, or a lot of UI lags and stutters and overall sh1t UI experience.
I personally do not think this is a smart feature, I do use my internal storage and SD card differently, I need to know where I am writing to.
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That depends on the SD card. The only source I saw quoting that 10x performance penalty in connection with adoptable storage was referring to Class 2 or 4 cards which guarantee a minimum of 2MB/s or 4MB/s. Also, those classes refer to the minimum guaranteed write speed. Most cards write much faster in general, but they must be able to guarantee a minimum write speed sustained under all conditions and so their class speed is a conservative figure and isn't necessarily descriptive of their average performance.
The internal storage on the S7 Edge is around 280MB/s read and 99MB/s write. Many UHS-I cards are rated for 95/90MB/s(r/w) which is close on the writes, but still lags a bit on the reads. In my benchmarks I have a UHS-I U3 card rated at 95/90(r/w) that benches at 90/80(r/w) in a computer, but only 60/40(r/w) in the S7 Edge micro SD slot, so the SD slot may be the limiting factor here and the ratio might be more like 2.5x performance difference on writes. A few forum members have some UHS-II cards on order to test when they get the phones, but many sources are saying that the phones only support UHS-I which means the maximum performance on either reading or writing will be less than 100MB/s - possibly on par with the internal memory for writing, but still close to 3x slower on reads.
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(...)The internal storage on the S7 Edge is around 280MB/s read and 99MB/s write. (...) In my benchmarks I have a UHS-I U3 card rated at 95/90 that benches at 90/80 in a computer, but only 60/40 in the S7 Edge micro SD slot
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You own numbers show a x7 factor slower for the SD card.
When I test my Note 5 internal memory (still not have my S7 Edge yet) I have 340MB/s read and 150MB/s write. (8.5x factor)
I stand by my assessment, that even with the fastest micro SD card you can buy, there is MASSIVE speed difference between the 2 different storage type, creating some UI issues when the OS finds itself writing your launcher cache on the SD card...
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You own numbers show a x7 factor slower for the SD card.
When I test my Note 5 internal memory (still not have my S7 Edge yet) I have 340MB/s read and 150MB/s write. (8.5x factor)
I stand by my assessment, that even with the fastest micro SD card you can buy, there is MASSIVE speed difference between the 2 different storage type, creating some UI issues when the OS finds itself writing your launcher cache on the SD card...
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Oh, I agree that there is a big jump in performance with the internal storage of these phones, but you don't need to fabricate numbers to prove this (or write in ALL CAPS).
Which numbers show a 7x factor? Or even an 8.5x factor? Are you comparing read speeds to write speeds?
280 vs 60 is less than 5x for read.
99 vs 40 is around 2.5x for writes.
340 vs 60 is under 6x.
150 vs 40 is under 4x.
Where is the 7x? Or the 8.5x?
Granted, 2.5x for writes and 5x for reads on my S7 are still a big step, but you don't need to bias the argument by looking for the biggest number in a page of orange numbers and comparing it to the smallest number in a page of apple numbers.
Also, which benchmark are you using? It's starting to look like the A1 SD benchmark is hitting RAM cache that biases the results (and it even warns about this when you run the benchmark.)
Switching to Androbench gets new numbers that are a bit closer to what is being reported for the Note 5:
Using 64MB test files:
S7 Edge internal: 426/128 sequential read/write
Samsung Pro+ microSD: 80/66 seq r/w
Bumping it to 512MB test files to make sure the measurements aren't dominated by RAM caches:
S7 Edge internal: 427/153 seq r/w
Samsung Pro+ microSD: 80/70 seq r/w
Compare that to 92/83 for the Pro+ on a laptop SD card reader.
So we sit around a little over 5x slower on reads and around 2x slower on writes for these UHS-I U3 cards spec'd at 95/90 read/write.
Already found a way to enable adoptable storage without root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65612993&postcount=41
Before you come down hard on Samsung let me post to you what Android Police has to say on the issue.
"Google discourages using adoptable storage if:
Your SD card slot is in an area where it may be regularly ejected (i.e., the SIM slot) and/or your phone has "sufficient" internal storage already, which is probably these days 32GB or more. Adoptable storage is apparently intended as a feature for phones with very limited internal storage and for stationary, IoT types of devices.
LG has done the same, and does not have adoptable storage on the G5."