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Should i "downgrade" or keep my MT3g

Basic question, i know the specs are far from close, but when you root + ram hack on a G1, will there be much of a performane difference between a Rooted G1 vs a Rooted MT3g?
Questioning becasue i have the option to trade my rooted mt3g for a unlocked/rooted G1. I just hate not having a keyboard
What do you guys think?
Am i making a bad move to downgrade? Or not much of a difference/

The tmobile-branded HTC MAGIC is the 32B version, 192RAM, 512NAND. All HTC DREAM are 192RAM,256NAND. So the ram itself is the same, you just end up with less internal storage.
Just note a couple of things;
1) If you use apps-to-sd, then the internal storage is moot.
2) If you have root, there are no OTA updates, so the 65 MB /cache partition is freed up for other uses.
Personally, I would NEVER switch from this phone to *anything* that lacked a physical keyboard. And that includes a GN1.

lbcoder said:
The tmobile-branded HTC MAGIC is the 32B version, 192RAM, 512NAND. All HTC DREAM are 192RAM,256NAND. So the ram itself is the same, you just end up with less internal storage.
Just note a couple of things;
1) If you use apps-to-sd, then the internal storage is moot.
2) If you have root, there are no OTA updates, so the 65 MB /cache partition is freed up for other uses.
Personally, I would NEVER switch from this phone to *anything* that lacked a physical keyboard. And that includes a GN1.
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so essentially i would have the same phone with a keyboard when rooted...is the cpu the same ? the 528mhz or whatnot?

jdedeaux said:
so essentially i would have the same phone with a keyboard when rooted...is the cpu the same ? the 528mhz or whatnot?
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1)Same CPU speed
yes
2)Same amount of Ram
yes
3)Same amount of ROM/Internal storage
No, this means that larger Roms will not fit on your Dream and you will have to use Apps2SD which makes a rom slower because of the links needed.Swap will also be used but not used on the Magic.It's up to you if any of this matters to you or not.

Ace42 said:
3)Same amount of ROM/Internal storage
No, this means that larger Roms will not fit on your Dream and you will have to use Apps2SD which makes a rom slower because of the links needed.Swap will also be used but not used on the Magic.It's up to you if any of this matters to you or not.
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Incorrect, on all counts.
Larger roms fit just fine as long as you aren't a complete moron about it.
Apps2SD is ***FASTER*** than keeping everything internal. The reason is that you have INCREASED BANDWIDTH!
Just because you are running an app does NOT mean that it is the ONLY thing drawing data from some storage device.
Each piece of hardware has certain bandwidth limits. If you are running a program from the sdcard, then more of the internal storage device's bandwidth is available for other things, thus net speedup!
Symlinks have ZERO effect on performance.
As for swap... wow. Totally WRONG.
The devices have the SAME AMOUNT OF RAM and therefore the SAME requirements for using extra RAM.
If you DECIDE to use swap on one, then since the other has EXACTLY THE SAME amount of RAM, you would also choose to use swap on THE OTHER.
Note: SWAP is SLOW, and it is BAD for NAND. I do NOT recommend it.

lbcoder said:
Incorrect, on all counts.
Larger roms fit just fine as long as you aren't a complete moron about it.
Apps2SD is ***FASTER*** than keeping everything internal. The reason is that you have INCREASED BANDWIDTH!
Just because you are running an app does NOT mean that it is the ONLY thing drawing data from some storage device.
Each piece of hardware has certain bandwidth limits. If you are running a program from the sdcard, then more of the internal storage device's bandwidth is available for other things, thus net speedup!
Symlinks have ZERO effect on performance.
Note: SWAP is SLOW, and it is BAD for NAND. I do NOT recommend it.
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sorry, bro. i generally agree with what you say... but apps2sd is NOT faster. I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space (this is my first actual smartphone not counting a blackberry) and once i got rid of it my phone has been quite faster. not to mention it burnt up the sdcard i got with the phone and another one i bought. (probably wont have this problem with a class 6.)
swap? lol. man how many times do i hear this. swap is personal pref. sure it slows your phone down. but 32mb backing-swap works wonders for me. it all depends on how you use your phone. and by NAND i hope you don't mean a nandroid backup. not once since I've had this phone has swap ever affected my nandroid backup in any little way whatsoever.
edit: oh as for physical keyboard: i was same way. had a friend with an iPhone and of course i played with it. well, i eventually learned how to use the keyboard so when i went to go get a g1 i decided to go all touchscreen and what can i say? i'm faster texting with a touchscreen than i am a physical keyboard. also, I have to point out that symbols are much easier to access. and when you have to write a long e-mail to college professors it's nice to be able to use them quickly and efficiently.

So, down to the nitty gritty?
It seems like everyone is more of a fan of the G1 vs the MT3g?
Is that the verdict?
To trade or not to trade, that is the question.

r3s-rt said:
sorry, bro. i generally agree with what you say... but apps2sd is NOT faster. I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space (this is my first actual smartphone not counting a blackberry) and once i got rid of it my phone has been quite faster. not to mention it burnt up the sdcard i got with the phone and another one i bought. (probably wont have this problem with a class 6.)
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You either had a defect, or did something wrong. By your own admission, you know **Mod Edit **about internal storage.

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You either had a defect, or did something wrong. By your own admission, you know **Mod Edit** about internal storage.
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if you're going to try and come off more educated than me, then may i suggest you read my whole post? much less go back to third grade english.
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sorry, bro. i generally agree with what you say... but apps2sd is NOT faster. I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space (this is my first actual smartphone not counting a blackberry) and once i got rid of it my phone has been quite faster. not to mention it burnt up the sdcard i got with the phone and another one i bought. (probably wont have this problem with a class 6.)
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I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space
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There's also a number of real disadvantages to using ?Apps2SD:
1. It will probably slow your apps down as it's thrashing the sd more - even if you have a class 6
2. you'll reduce the life of your sd card
3. you won't be able to remove your SD card/mount it on your pc if you wanted to without your phone crashing/apps dying/hanging/etc.
4. if your SD card is dodgy in the slightest then it will also cause the above.. 5. crashing/hanging/random coredumps, etc - and you'll probably just blame the rom you're using rather than realising it's your SD card.
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taken from xda-wiki... maybe you need to look at... number 2? **Mod Edit **sdcard + walmart doesn't equal class 6, giving it an ever higher chance of dieing.

jdedeaux said:
So, down to the nitty gritty?
It seems like everyone is more of a fan of the G1 vs the MT3g?
Is that the verdict?
To trade or not to trade, that is the question.
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The verdict is that the DREAM is an UPGRADE.

There's also a number of real disadvantages to using ?Apps2SD:
1. It will probably slow your apps down as it's thrashing the sd more - even if you have a class 6
2. you'll reduce the life of your sd card
3. you won't be able to remove your SD card/mount it on your pc if you wanted to without your phone crashing/apps dying/hanging/etc.
4. if your SD card is dodgy in the slightest then it will also cause the above.. 5. crashing/hanging/random coredumps, etc - and you'll probably just blame the rom you're using rather than realising it's your SD card.
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1.... well you will note that it says "probably" -- it does NOT say "definitely". There ARE circumstances where it WILL make things slower, such as when ALSO using SWAPPING.
I would like to point out a technology called RAID. Specifically, a subset of RAID: RAID 0 "striping". With this technology, you use two or more disks together to increase the performance. Overall data throughput is typically the SUM of the throughput of each individual disk.
This isn't quite as sophisticated as striping, but it has the same kind of effect -- that the overall peak throughput will be the sum of the throughput of the individual components.
2 is true of ANYTHING that writes data to your sdcard. Running applications on your sdcard does not typically write ANYTHING -- it is simply the process of INSTALLING them that writes. You can READ them an UNLIMITED number of times. As a result, it is NOT VALID.
3 *partly* incorrect. You can't *remove* the card (how many people actually do remove it? Answer: not many), but you CERTAINLY CAN mount it to your computer and read/write the fat32 partition (read only on the ext). Doing this does NOT cause ANY instability.
4 and 5 are the same thing, and this also applies to your INTERNAL NAND or ANY OTHER storage device that you happen to own. Your home computer, for example. What does it do if the hard disk starts to fail? Things start crashing and it gets real slow.
Summary of 1 through 5: Not applicable.
Just because the information goes over your head (clearly WAY over your head) does NOT mean that there is anything wrong with it.
And for your information, I am reporting this. This kind of disrespect has no place in civilized conversation.

Post tidied up. Next step is to ban anyone who continues to be abusive.
Remain on topic and civil. If you can't respond in that manner then don't post.
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lol you guys are nuts, i asked if i should keep my MT3g or trade a guy for his G1 and it got so bad the mods had to come in... now thats a ****ing nerd rage if i've ever seen one... Not being rude but you guys are the reason I can come here to ask these questions because i know im not gonna get a biased answer. Everyone DEFINITELY has their own opinions.
so..
G1 - 1 MT3G - 0
Anyone gonna ante up the MT3G or top off w/ the G1...

Just because you aren't swearing doesn't mean you aren't being abusive. Knock it off.
To the OP, it really varies on what you want. What matters more to you? To me, the hardware keyboard is a GIGANTIC plus. But I don't mind the extra bulk of the HTC Dream. Unless you have the upgraded RAM Magic, then the Dream is better imho.
Also, to finish things once and for all, Apps2sd will not have a gigantic impact on your SD card, at all. Yes, flash does have a limited life, and yes, apps2sd will kill that faster, but it won't be as fast as people are saying. Swap on SD, however, WILL kill flash relatively fast.

The only only reason, i didn't buy one.

Ok this is not another i hate nexus s thread, but it's just my own opinion, on my only main issue, with the nexus s. I know to most of you, this will not be an issue, but for me the lack of a micro sd slot, put me off. I went into my local Carphonewarehouse and they had them in stock, i admired it and what a beauty it was, and ofcourse i new before going , it didn't have a micro sd slot, but the temptation was too much. I made the same mistake, when i bought my 16gig iPhone, and by the time, i had tom tom installed, which is over a gig, in size, fifa is also nearly a gig, and so are most of the racing games, i was fast running out of memory. By the time i had my music on the phone, it was already grasping, for space. I also like some android apps to download YouTube to watch later, and i also have a tendency of keeping my over 3000 plus family photos and video,s on the phone,so the 16gig, is just not enough, in the long run. I have an iPhone 4 32gig, and even then i still have to constantly uninstall and install apps mainly games, due to space, so for me this is the deal braker, and am struggling to understand why they left this out, because with the explosion of gaming due to come to android, the lack of expandable memory, will be a right pain, mark my words on this one.

marvi0 said:
Ok this is not another i hate nexus s thread, but it's just my own opinion, on my only main issue, with the nexus s. I know to most of you, this will not be an issue, but for me the lack of a micro sd slot, put me off. I went into my local Carphonewarehouse and they had them in stock, i admired it and what a beauty it was, and ofcourse i new before going , it didn't have a micro sd slot, but the temptation was too much. I made the same mistake, when i bought my 16gig iPhone, and by the time, i had tom tom installed, which is over a gig, in size, fifa is also nearly a gig, and so are most of the racing games, i was fast running out of memory. By the time i had my music on the phone, it was already grasping, for space. I also like some android apps to download YouTube to watch later, and i also have a tendency of keeping my over 3000 plus family photos and video,s on the phone,so the 16gig, is just not enough, in the long run. I have an iPhone 4 32gig, and even then i still have to constantly uninstall and install apps mainly games, due to space, so for me this is the deal braker, and am struggling to understand why they left this out, because with the explosion of gaming due to come to android, the lack of expandable memory, will be a right pain, mark my words on this one.
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You can't compare app sizes on iPhones and Androids. iPhone app sizes can range from 5megs all the way up to 2 f'ing gigs.
Android apps have a limit of 50megs.
I actually have an iPod Touch 2G, 8gigger, Mod Edit: Talk of Pirated Content, and I'm not even up to 4gigs of it filled. I did have an iPhone 3GS 16gig a year ago and had 4 GPS apps, and I only used up about 8gigs.
You have have some real issues or an app hoarder if your 32gig iPhone is running out of space. (Unless you use it for music too)
But since you're having space issues still with a 32gig why have an iPhone at all? It has no expandable memory either. Rather weird you're bashing on the Nexus S with no expandable memory, yet you have an iPhone 4 32gig with no expandable memory and also having space issues.
Also btw, on Android, you can upload all your pics to picasa, and they are all accessible from the Gallery app at any time.
EDIT: I think this complaint about no microSD card is the worse microSD card complaint I've ever heard... comparing it to iPhone apps.... sigh.

remember that the 1gig of space for apps is not the 15 gigs of space as an SD card, so Fifa may be extremely large but the initial app is installed on "phone memory" and the extra is downloaded to "sd card"

The lack of an external SD card is bothering me less and less the longer I have the device. App space is a non-issue IMHO as they just don't require much space. While it would be nice to carry my entire music collection around with me, I wouldn't be able to do it in an acceptable format anyway as I have something like 120GB in FLAC and ultimately, I don't generally need to have more than 20 or 30 albums at hand.
All of this will be moot once Google launches their music service. Haters like to point out that streaming isn't a solution due to 5GB data caps, but I stream Last.fm in high quality mode an average of 4 hours per day and have never hit my cap.

mmas0n said:
The lack of an external SD card is bothering me less and less the longer I have the device. App space is a non-issue IMHO as they just don't require much space. While it would be nice to carry my entire music collection around with me, I wouldn't be able to do it in an acceptable format anyway as I have something like 120GB in FLAC and ultimately, I don't generally need to have more than 20 or 30 albums at hand.
All of this will be moot once Google launches their music service. Haters like to point out that streaming isn't a solution due to 5GB data caps, but I stream Last.fm in high quality mode an average of 4 hours per day and have never hit my cap.
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20-30 albums at hand ! I find even that too much. For me it would be 6-8 albums that I m currently listening to wanting to listen to. Thats more than enough for me for a month long period Then swap them

the missing microSD support does bother me quite a bit, as I'm a heavy user. (16 GB of MP3, 1.5GB of Apps, not counting my collection of 720 HD movies, now i can't have all of that after switching from SGS, due the space constrain)
but luckly having a true unlimited internet over 3G/HSUPA it's a little bit less of a worry, but i'd still prefer to have access to Removable storage.
So i started this topic in DEV http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=885837
if they can unlock the USB to allow and mount external HDD & or USB memory sticks, then we'll be in good hands

Does anyoneknow if the NS as a sd card inside the phone or if its using nand memory?
If its a microsd inside, couldnt we swap it if the phone was taken apart?

j2l84u said:
Does anyoneknow if the NS as a sd card inside the phone or if its using nand memory?
If its a microsd inside, couldnt we swap it if the phone was taken apart?
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NAND memory

nxt said:
I actually have an iPod Touch 2G, 8gigger, jailbroken with TONS of pirated apps/games, and I'm not even up to 4gigs of it filled.
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Come on - some of us are developers. Don't be so cavalier about stealing others' work. I'm sure you've rationalized your behavior internally, but you're a part of the problem.

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Come on - some of us are developers. Don't be so cavalier about stealing others' work. I'm sure you've rationalized your behavior internally, but you're a part of the problem.
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I don't even use my iPod anymore. I only said that as an example, and I hate Apple and only have an iPod for testing and experience, not for personal use. For the Android, I've actually bought tons of apps. The refund period for the Android helps with making purchases too, too bad it's 15 minutes now though.
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16GB limit is probably the most limiting factor of the NS. That and the lack of a notification LED too.
NAND is supposed to be "lightning" fast but my experience with copying files to and from the NS is that it is way slower than an SD card. I know there are some tweaks out there to speed it up but still.
I wonder if the internal access for the CPU and apps is as slow; if so what is the advantage of NAND over SD?
Joe

I see no big issue with the amount of memory and lack of expansion. Your looking at a very small group of people that need more memory build in. 16gb is plenty for the majority of users.
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I'm using my iphone 4 for music but the nexus s is such a pleasure to use.There's always m spot or spotify for music
Shame about no sd though, was weird choice.
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I'm not sure why people keep creating these threads? We really don't care why you didn't buy a Nexus S. We did and we know all about your reason and it didn't bother us as much obviously.

Per forum rules, don't get XDA in trouble; please don't talk about pirating apps, games, or movies. Thank you, and enjoy the holidays!

Advantages Of An SD Card?

I just got a 32GB (Reads 27.4GB) Class 4 SD card for my phone. I know I can load pictures, movies, videos and documents on it, but what else can I do with this card? Essentially, I want to know all of my options before I start loading it up. I always see blurbs involving side loading, storing apps, using it for root and other stuff but I don't completely have the gist of that stuff down. Mind telling me everything I should be using this SD card for? What should I do with it right now before I load any media on it? Thank you!
Note: I am running update .83 and am NOT rooted.

I use mine for as much multimedia as possible, i.e. music, pictures, videos.
I also store boot animations, fonts, themes, and anything else I might want to have readily available after a wipe.............which I do frequently.
I also set my external sdcard as my TiBu location.
<edit> Everything I store on my external sdcard relating to boot animations, themes, etc. are just the files I will re-flash/install should I wipe. It just saves me copying all the flashable files I know I will need every time I wipe/sbf flash. If you store pics, music, etc. on the external sdcard, it is useable on other devices instantly should you remove the card to place in another device, either permanently or temporarily, and I have not had problems with my class 4 card as far as time to access files, play music from, etc. as some people say you will have.

honestly it's just there for storage. The phone has enough internal storage that you'll never need more space for apps. Store all things like backgrounds, widget skins, widget settings, etc on the internal memory, because if you ever remove the sd card the phone can't use them.
external card is also great for TiBu files as CaelanT said.

cegna09 said:
you'll never need more space
You are probably right, but.
I've been saying similar things about pcs and devices for the last 13+ years. I was wrong at every turn...
Made me think of my first 20gb hdd.
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JdgM3NT4L said:
cegna09 said:
you'll never need more space
You are probably right, but.
I've been saying similar things about pcs and devices for the last 13+ years. I was wrong at every turn...
Made me think of my first 20gb hdd.
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I remember my first time.............I mean HDD...........was 20MB.
You must be a youngster! LOL
Also, my first computer had 1k of memory!
Sinclair ZX80: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX80
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I never considered myself an "Old Timer" but I have owned a computer longer then most of my coworkers have been alive.
The memories of taking old floppy disks (and I mean real floppy disks not those little 5-1/4 inch deals I mean the 8 inch boys) and cutting notches in them so we could try and use the single sided disks as flipper/double sided ones.
Anyway I have a question for CaelanT... how about video on a class 4. I have a class 10 16gb and was going to go for a class 10 32gb when I got the money, but if you do not have anyproblem with video at class 4 I may save myself a little money.

Video is good for me on 720p unless I pan with the phone, and then I get a wee bit of motion jitter with occasional blur, but I believe I have read that happens to everyone and it's a camera issue. I took video of my sons graduation yesterday with it, and holding the camera still, video and audio were great.
I would post a video, but everything I have is personal. I may do a quick one tonight and post it for you to see.

no problem, don't need to really bother on my account, I trust your opinion.

It's just extra storage but advantage is if your phone dies you can still transfer all your contents to another place. If you only used internal memory if your phone dies everything is stuck on the device.

This is probably a good place to ask: what's the easiest way to transfer music and pictures to the SD card. And I mean taking them out of internal memory,not just copying them.
Never live in the past but always learn from it.

Hmm.. I have another question about sdcard-ext ..
Many big games.. Like the tegra2 games need 200-300mb or more.. And they installed on sdcard.. Bcz for phones without internal sd, sdcard is meant for their external.. So, how can we install these games to external sd??
I will sent this request, as feedback to the devs of "galaxy on fire game"..
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CaelanT said:
JdgM3NT4L said:
cegna09 said:
you'll never need more space
I remember my first time.............I mean HDD...........was 20MB.
You must be a youngster! LOL
Also, my first computer had 1k of memory!
Sinclair ZX80: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX80
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Sounds familier. I remember getting mine. It was 20mb too, big double height 5.25" monster. (Size of two cdrom drives stacked for you youngsters) I remember saying, wow I'll never fill this thing! lol
That would of been in my second computer. The first only had two 5.25" floppies.
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I just had sd card fail this morning. 32g lexar class 10 had it for around a month. Any ideas on how to save the pictures on it. Pc wont even recognize it.
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Did I buy a defective A500 16gb?

Bought this tablet used, I just noticed that its only reading 12.71gb of internal sd space. I also have a A200, that reads the full 16gb. What gives? As a tech, I can only think some of the chips went bad causing it to decrease, but since I don't know much about tablets, there a posibility that I am wrong. Could anyone clarify this for me? Did I buy a defective unit? I mean besides the short memory, it works just fine. Running Flex 1.1 as we speak. Surprisingly runs smoother then the A200.

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Bought this tablet used, I just noticed that its only reading 12.71gb of internal sd space.
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Are you sure the remaining 3.29gb have not been partitioned for other uses (ie linux install -or- something else)?

To be honest I do not know if the guy who I bought from had done any of that. How would I know? As far as I can tell, it was stock when I got it. Doesn't mean much but how would one check if it's been partitioned?

F9zSlavik said:
Bought this tablet used, I just noticed that its only reading 12.71gb of internal sd space. I also have a A200, that reads the full 16gb. What gives? As a tech, I can only think some of the chips went bad causing it to decrease, but since I don't know much about tablets, there a posibility that I am wrong. Could anyone clarify this for me? Did I buy a defective unit? I mean besides the short memory, it works just fine. Running Flex 1.1 as we speak. Surprisingly runs smoother then the A200.
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The shortages of internal memory is fine because that memory is use for system and other rom related files. The 12.71GB visible is for you to use as will. You can use that 12.GB to store whatever you like. I also have a 16GB a500, and it only shows internal storage of 12..GB with flash ROM.
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Are you sure the remaining 3.29gb have not been partitioned for other uses (ie linux install -or- something else)?
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Say Whaaaatttt?????? Partition internal to what?????
OP
Your 12.xx is completely normal.
The remaining space is occupied (like the previous poster stated) by things such as the OS, boot.img, bootloader, Cache, Dalvik Cache, and other mandatory things.
Depending on which rom you ae currently running, this value can change a little.
Relax. It's normal.
MD

Moscow Desire said:
Say Whaaaatttt?????? Partition internal to what?????
OP
Your 12.xx is completely normal.
The remaining space is occupied (like the previous poster stated) by things such as the OS, boot.img, bootloader, Cache, Dalvik Cache, and other mandatory things.
Depending on which rom you ae currently running, this value can change a little.
Relax. It's normal.
MD
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I see, the 16gb is very misleading, reason I asked is because my A200 and pretty much every other android device always show the advertised memory. I guess the A500 is a unique one. I guess its like a hard drive, you buy a 500gb HDD but your really only get 467gb lol.
Thanks guys I do appreciate the feed back. I bought this device for $220 and its been used for about a year. It's good condition, and it runs faster then the A200, scrolling, web browsing, etc, just runs smoother. The A200 I bought practically new, I have Flex on it, Kernel that allows me to go to 1.5ghz, pretty much same settings, yet the A500 is faster. Interesting...

F9zSlavik said:
I see, the 16gb is very misleading, reason I asked is because my A200 and pretty much every other android device always show the advertised memory. I guess the A500 is a unique one. I guess its like a hard drive, you buy a 500gb HDD but your really only get 467gb lol.
Thanks guys I do appreciate the feed back. I bought this device for $220 and its been used for about a year. It's good condition, and it runs faster then the A200, scrolling, web browsing, etc, just runs smoother. The A200 I bought practically new, I have Flex on it, Kernel that allows me to go to 1.5ghz, pretty much same settings, yet the A500 is faster. Interesting...
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The 500/501 is probably the best tab Acer made. Pretty much bulletproof nowadays.
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Any felt the need of sd card yet?

I'm thinking of buying LG Nexus 4 but before that i wanted to ask people whether they felt the need to have an extra card slot for the phone. Also how much out of 16 GB is available for personal use...any general comments about the phone itself would be helpful...
Cheers!

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I'm thinking of buying LG Nexus 4 but before that i wanted to ask people whether they felt the need to have an extra card slot for the phone. Also how much out of 16 GB is available for personal use...any general comments about the phone itself would be helpful...
Cheers!
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I think about 13 was available? A quick google might answer that question more precisely I'm not using the phone for music or lots of movies. I don't expect to run into difficulties in that area.

16gb is plenty,
NEXUS 4 USER

To be honest, 16GB is too much space for me. I have around 1.3 gigs of my dev stuff, some apps (NFS Most Wanted People complain all the time about how they need 32/64GB of storage but the only reason I can think of needing that much is for music and movies. You can stream those as well so it's not a big deal.
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16GB is probably enough for most, but you can always get a wifi storage device if you need more.
i just bought a pqi air drive and put a 32GB class 10 sd card in it for movies/ music etc.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/PQI-...orage-to-Smartphones-and-Tablets-254927.shtml
also check out the Ravpower wireless drive.
http://www.amazon.com/RAVPower®-Wireless-Drive-For-Smartphones-Lightning/dp/B00AQUMZRA

First of all, I don't own nexus 4 but a galaxy s3 with expendable micro sd slot. But I do want to get nexus 4 as well!!
From my personal usage, 16gig is simply not enough. I play lots of heavy games most of them from gameloft, each will take >1gig space and I do shot pictures videos and have tons of other applications installed as well.
I put videos, pictures and musics on sd card but still, only 2.3gig left on internal storage.
I know maybe vanilla android will be smaller than touchwiz but considering >10gig video and pictures that I have, 16gig just won't be enough .
Of course, you may not be like me and can use cloud storage. In the end, it's how you use your phone for the most, and regardless nexus 4 or other phones, it will be the same.
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I've not installed any games yet, but I imagine once I do, the space will begin to go quickly. Music I'm less worried about, I stream mainly from YouTube etc. Video recording will be interesting though.
I would have preferred an SD card option, just because it's a fallback. An SD model would have probably convinced me to go for an 8GB N4, but no SD meant I had to go for the 16GB one.
The lack of OTG on this phone is a worry, but at the end of the day, considering the relative ubiquity of WiFi/3G internet in most developed countries, I don't think it's a big problem for streaming video, music etc, so really it's just games and what not that might be the struggle. I'm thinking of setting up a dropbox, (First time for me) which would be good for videos, and music and what not. I'm just not convinced of the price thats all. 2GB isn't very much, and as I have a pretty unlimited web server I could take advantage of that.

h.han said:
First of all, I don't own nexus 4 but a galaxy s3 with expendable micro sd slot. But I do want to get nexus 4 as well!!
From my personal usage, 16gig is simply not enough. I play lots of heavy games most of them from gameloft, each will take >1gig space and I do shot pictures videos and have tons of other applications installed as well.
I put videos, pictures and musics on sd card but still, only 2.3gig left on internal storage.
I know maybe vanilla android will be smaller than touchwiz but considering >10gig video and pictures that I have, 16gig just won't be enough .
Of course, you may not be like me and can use cloud storage. In the end, it's how you use your phone for the most, and regardless nexus 4 or other phones, it will be the same.
Sent from my GT-I9305 using xda app-developers app
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I m coming from SGS3 16Gb+32Gb mem card.
And I had to adjust. I have some music (had to choose what I m not listening to too often, haha).
About 1.5 Gb of nandroid+5/600 mb of rom and flashable stuff.
I ve had to stop walking around with whole seasons of TV, that s for sure But it's doable.
In the end, no matter how much space you do have, it ll get filled up with things that you don't actually need, so that s OK to pick and chose I ve got to say that I m not having any issue thinking about apps or not, I just get all in there and it fits!
So that s my experience, all in all, you have to think how to adjust, cause you ll have to do so.
Also, cloud storage? I ve got 1.8 Gb of data/month on my plan so yeah, that won't work. Since it s not when I m near Wi-Fi that I need to be mobile !

I wanna say that before I had the Nexus 4 I was thinking that 8GB is more than enough! And in my country there is only the 16GB version but boy I am glad that this was the case! On 16GB you have 12.92GB (don't ask me why theres 3GB less I don't know how system can take more than 1GB) and on 8GB you have only 5.67GB!
Now i have like 2,5GB free space left on my 16GB version! It is okay I wouldn't mind having more space though I didn't have any problems yet. But I noticed some games are very big if you are a games 16GB might be too small (I'm no gamer though most of my space is taken by music).

AW: Any felt the need of sd card yet?
My storage was full. but after getting rid of all the junk.. old roms etc it was ..ok:thumbup:
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It has been a compromise for me. I'm also a musician and like to carry my entire music collection with me. I wasn't a fan of using the cloud because when I'm underground in the subway and I want to hear a song and if it's not cached I'm screwed. It has taken a bit of adjustment. I have a 32GB GS3 with a 64GB card and between music, videos, movies, pictures I filled more than half of the 64gb card.
I also don't have as many apps installed on my N4. I've definitely had to scale things down a bit. Although, I am having an easier time dealing with it then I thought I would.

I have 8gb and what I miss from my s2 (16gb + 32gb sdcard) is all the backups, roms I had.. Besides that, everything is fine

I bought the 16 GB version and haven't needed one yet. I ended up buying a 32GB Nexus 7 which is mainly used for heavy games like Vice City and NFS, leaving me with quite a bit of storage left on my Nexus 4. I stream all my music from Google play since I have unlimited data and Wi-Fi is pretty much everywhere I go.
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Any comments on the performance compared to S3? physically as well? I know that adreno 320 is much better than the mali 400 but by how much?

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It has been a compromise for me. I'm also a musician and like to carry my entire music collection with me. I wasn't a fan of using the cloud because when I'm underground in the subway and I want to hear a song and if it's not cached I'm screwed. It has taken a bit of adjustment. I have a 32GB GS3 with a 64GB card and between music, videos, movies, pictures I filled more than half of the 64gb card.
I also don't have as many apps installed on my N4. I've definitely had to scale things down a bit. Although, I am having an easier time dealing with it then I thought I would.
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use google music. even when i used sd i couldnt put my collection on it, i had to cut it in half. with gm i have my entire collection with me whereever i go. i live in two countries with long travels in between without connection - its as easy as tapping on the stuff i wanna listen to while being offline. you can make it even easier if you use playlists. i wasnt sure about cloud either but the way i see it, it works pretty well. i'd even say better than cutting my collection in half to fit 32gb.

graffixnyc said:
It has been a compromise for me. I'm also a musician and like to carry my entire music collection with me. I wasn't a fan of using the cloud because when I'm underground in the subway and I want to hear a song and if it's not cached I'm screwed. It has taken a bit of adjustment. I have a 32GB GS3 with a 64GB card and between music, videos, movies, pictures I filled more than half of the 64gb card.
I also don't have as many apps installed on my N4. I've definitely had to scale things down a bit. Although, I am having an easier time dealing with it then I thought I would.
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did you read what i posted about wireless drives? might help you.

molesarecoming said:
use google music. even when i used sd i couldnt put my collection on it, i had to cut it in half. with gm i have my entire collection with me whereever i go. i live in two countries with long travels in between without connection - its as easy as tapping on the stuff i wanna listen to while being offline. you can make it even easier if you use playlists. i wasnt sure about cloud either but the way i see it, it works pretty well. i'd even say better than cutting my collection in half to fit 32gb.
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I've been using GM. The only thing that sucks is sometimes I will be underground in the subway and feel like hearing a song out of the blue. If it's not a song that is cached then I'm out of luck.
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did you read what i posted about wireless drives? might help you.
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Yeah I did. But I don't know if I'd want to carry it around with me. For that I could just carry my GS3 with me
I really was turned off by the lack of storage on the N4(I wasn't going to get one for that only reason) but I'm making due. If anything it keeps me on top of keeping my phone tidy and organized because instead of just leaving everything on the SD card I now clean it out every couple days to remove stuff taking up space. And instead of having like 50 games installed I only have the ones I'm currently playing installed

isn't there a way to unscrew the thing and replace the inner one? I think there's an inner sd card which can be replaced...I mean, my friend has htc mozart and it also doesn't have a proper slot for external card however if one unscrew the back, there's a card deep inside which can be replaced with a bigger one...Isn't it the same with Nexus 4?

For me 16 GB is plenty of space, the only thing I miss the SD slot for is easy transfer of files. I don't have to plug the phone in to transfer files.
I haven't tried the NFC / BT or WIFI (can;t use in corporate network) for file transfers.
Other than that I have been very happy with this phone, no root, stock ui, I am loving it.
PHR

I have my nexus 7 for the movies and honestly I don't understand people watching movies on a tiny screen.
I also don't understand people who "knows" more than 2500 songs.
And the ones who can play 5 different game loft games on a daily basis.
So 12 isn't enough for obsessive compulsive people who has to have everything with them.
I bet they carry a huge bag stuffed with stuff as well. In case they suddenly happen to go on a holiday or something.