Why Apps2SD is such a BAD IDEA (tm) - myTouch 3G, Magic General

This is in the Wiki, but thought I'd repost it here for all those who ask the same silly questions.
What Apps2SD does is shift all of your user applications (that would normally be installed on your phone's /data partition) and moves them onto a specially formatted ext2/ext3 partition on your SD card. This gives you the ability to install more apps than you would normally have the ability to. Sounds great huh? What's so wrong with that?
On the G1/Dream/ADP this app is a must - those phones have only a 256MB flash and only have 75MB for their data partition - it's
outrageous. Apps2SD/Cache2SD are great as they offload it the stuff to the SD card and reduce the limitation.
The HTC Magic (both 32A or 32B) and Hero are the next generation of Android devices though, and these phones have twice the flash of the previous generation (512MB). A large chunk of that (300MB) went to the /data partition, so installing apps isn't an issue.
There's also a number of real disadvantages to using http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Apps2SD&action=createApps2SD:
It will probably slow your apps down as it's thrashing the sd more - even if you have a class 6
you'll reduce the life of your sd card
you won't be able to remove your SD card/mount it on your pc if you wanted to without your phone crashing/apps dying/hanging/etc.
if your SD card is dodgy in the slightest then it will also cause the above.. crashing/hanging/random coredumps, etc - and you'll probably just blame the rom you're using rather than realising it's your SD card.
In the same vein, CompCache/Swap space/Swapper, et al are just as silly if you're a 32A/Hero owner.
Even on the G1/32B's it offers very dubious performance improvement - and there's no need with the 32A/Hero as you have plenty of ram. If you do install it you have all the same negative points I just listed above apply there too as they each use your SD card in much the same way.

Very old.
That post is quite outdated. The information there is relevant and fluid; however, whoever still follows that thread as being something to "take heed" to prior to allowing transfer of their APPS, CACHE, and DATA to the SD card they use...is entirely too broke to even own an Android-based platform.
SD cards nowadays; even the more efficient ones typically cost less than $30, including high-end retailers such as Best Buy and Fry's Electronics.
Who even worries about that crap anymore? That's such nonsense if you ask me. The fact is:
- Even if you could prove with some form of an exact science that utilizing those abilities and storing various amounts of data on your SD card was remotely harmful and could "wear down" (thus lessening the lifespan of the card) it would show that these results would be inconclusive until about a FULL YEAR had gone by.
Run-on sentence. I'm aware. But I had a point to make.

I just finished trying out app2sd in my magic for a few days and everything ran noticibly slower. I also disliked the notion of taking apps offline while copying via usb. I think this article raises valid points. *If* you aren't running out of room, then just leave it. You gain absolutely nothing.
DT

Hahahaha! I was reading for hours and hours of confusing tricks as how to do app2sd and whatever. Now comes a totally destroying tale!
I think ita worth it for a learning session to experiment.
My experience with previous sevaral Symbian phones, as most of them allowed applications to be installed on sd cards and nothing ever went wrong.Fring, Nimbuzz,Maps etc were on almost all times .Especvially Fring or Nimnuzz.
I like mu HTC Magic and put Enom's latest Tmobile ROM.It is fast and stable.Why couldny Android writers gave us the choice in first place- to select you appliocation to install in phone or storage memory like Symbian or WM? Is it something they forgot? Can it be included in future major updates?

It's not a concern of mine.
To put my response earlier quite simply:
I have 4-5 microSDHC cards laying around. All of which are Class 6. I'm not really concerned about "killing" an SD card sooner than it expected. It's an SD card for Christ sake.

Radix999 said:
[*]you'll reduce the life of your sd card
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I don't think it's a big deal because nowadays most flash memory come with lifetime or at least 5 years warranty. And by the time my 16GB microsd dies, I probably can buy another one for less than 10 bucks.

tengtengvn said:
I don't think it's a big deal because nowadays most flash memory come with lifetime or at least 5 years warranty. And by the time my 16GB microsd dies, I probably can buy another one for less than 10 bucks.
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Pretty sure the cost of the card is the last thing to worry about. What if you have pics, docs, video that you haven't backed up for some reason and it takes all your info with it. Besides are people actually installing that many apps? I can't see needing or using more than what the phone can store.
Clinton

Money ain't nothing but paper.
Yessssir.
I could make it rain.
SD cards are so cheap. What's $20 to most people...nothing! Enough said. Thread closed. Lol.

While the cost of a micro SD card is neglible, the damage to your phone when you lose all your apps, preferences, settings and get random hangs, errors, slowdowns while the SD card dies IS an issue.
And who cares if you have a dozen or even hundreds of microsd cards - once you've configured Apps2SD then you're prettymuch stuck with the one you have - try and remove it and be prepared for a screwed up phone.
All this hassle for such little benefit!

Wow.
Radix999 said:
While the cost of a micro SD card is neglible, the damage to your phone when you lose all your apps, preferences, settings and get random hangs, errors, slowdowns while the SD card dies IS an issue.
And who cares if you have a dozen or even hundreds of microsd cards - once you've configured Apps2SD then you're prettymuch stuck with the one you have - try and remove it and be prepared for a screwed up phone.
All this hassle for such little benefit!
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Bro, common sense...
BACK YOUR **** UP AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.
Problem averted. I'm a busy guy, but find plenty of time to periodically, whether it's bi-weekly, etc. to back everything up.
We're gravy.

Radix999 said:
2. you'll reduce the life of your sd card
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As was said, I doubt it will really matter.
And if it does... I prefer to down my SD card, which I can replace (and normally, not all recorded data vanish suddenly if it wears down ! you should only see total memory decreasing, and maybe loosing "some" data)...
....instead of my phone internal memory which I won't be able to replace at all !
I have a magic so for now I can live without apps2SD, though even now I am forced to make choices to get some free space.

Here are some of the issues I had running Apps2SD on my G1:
Backup for root users wouldn't backup apps that were on the SDcard.
If I unmounted or removed the card even with the phone off, many apps would disappear or become corrupt.
Sometimes things would go wrong and the only fix was to reformat and partition the SD card. I had big problems when I was testing Hero roms. I used two different cards and they both had similar issues even though they checked out fine.
Here is why I love Apps2SD:
There are so many great apps for Android and the memory limitations of the G1 would have kept me from being able to give dazzling demos.
Just getting it set up before all the tutorials were available taught me plenty about rooting around the Android guts.
It was really cool to be able to say "oh, you're out of memory? I've got 72MB free with 80 apps installed, but it's no big deal."
I say go ahead and try it out, but be prepared for the worst. I don't remember if Nandroid backups got the apps from the SDcard. I got a Magic PVT 32a with 288MB and never looked back.
Enjoy!

Bwhaha!
I don't back my computer up very often? Hard Drive....What Hard Drive? BIOS is all I got.... Pretty funny!

I don't think anyone is arguing against backups, and I agree the sd destruction argument is somewhat dubious, but that doesn't change the others! The point was: absolutely if you're running a 32b mboard apps2sd is worth a look, but as a magic user, I'm telling you I've tried it and went back after 2 days. The earler post about it being worth it as an experiment might well be true, but I wish I had read that article first!
DT

hi Radix999!
Thank you for porting 32a. My question is, how do i disable App2SD?
I'm using linux so i don't have problem with partions, my problem is to unmount /data/app folder.
Also, will nandroid backup /data folder as well?
Regards

if interested to disable:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5246028

Reignzone said:
Yessssir.
I could make it rain.
SD cards are so cheap. What's $20 to most people...nothing! Enough said. Thread closed. Lol.
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The cheap cost of replacing flash memory won't make the other points go away... and you still have the risk of losing your data. Throw all your money at your phone and you still can't mount your SD card without crashing some apps... all that paper ain't gonna make your apps run faster on Apps2SD than it does on system memory
To begin with, if you got all that dough, why don't you go get a 32A? Or better yet, go grab one of the shiny new phones running Snapdragon, no need for Apps2SD there

the biggest advantage from app2sd for me is not the fact that I can save phone memory even though I have like 80 games and 40 apps installed; but it's because it will save me a lot of time re-installing each and every single app and game between roms testing.
and the biggest disadvantage from app2sd is that your phone depends on that tiny little plastic too much. it wont even turn on without that piece of plastic; and thats very weird cuz i thought app2sd only move other apps (not system apps cuz your system apps are still in /system/app) to your sd card which means system apps should still be able to start your phone without the microsd. But I guess I was wrong cuz my phone wouldn't turn on wihout the sd card installed.
jus my $.02

APP2SD how?
How do you do apps 2 sd? i want to try it out. can some one help or point me to a different forum?
-rooted mt3g 32b

I think the whole life reduction theory is pure b.s whats the difference between you using your micro sd card on the daily bases to transfer data from a computer or having it transfer data in your phone via apps2sd? None at all they use the same transfer mechanism correct?.I have a G1 and a behold 2 been using the same 4GB micro sd card for over 2 years in my G1 I even swapped it and now I use it in my behold 2 (without formatting and without loosing my apps) and have yet to endure any problems/lag slow downs maybe the people who complain simply have no knowledge of the device.both of my phones are rooted with swap partitions and custom firmware and are 2/3 faster than what they were when they came stock.With that being said it will not slow your experience down if you know what you are doing.And you can remove your SDcard without damaging your device you just have to take the BATTERY out before you take the SDCARD out.I do this on the daily bases depending on which phone I prefer to use and theirs no evidence to support the reduction in life for the microsd cards atleast not on any of my devices.

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Should i "downgrade" or keep my MT3g

Basic question, i know the specs are far from close, but when you root + ram hack on a G1, will there be much of a performane difference between a Rooted G1 vs a Rooted MT3g?
Questioning becasue i have the option to trade my rooted mt3g for a unlocked/rooted G1. I just hate not having a keyboard
What do you guys think?
Am i making a bad move to downgrade? Or not much of a difference/
The tmobile-branded HTC MAGIC is the 32B version, 192RAM, 512NAND. All HTC DREAM are 192RAM,256NAND. So the ram itself is the same, you just end up with less internal storage.
Just note a couple of things;
1) If you use apps-to-sd, then the internal storage is moot.
2) If you have root, there are no OTA updates, so the 65 MB /cache partition is freed up for other uses.
Personally, I would NEVER switch from this phone to *anything* that lacked a physical keyboard. And that includes a GN1.
lbcoder said:
The tmobile-branded HTC MAGIC is the 32B version, 192RAM, 512NAND. All HTC DREAM are 192RAM,256NAND. So the ram itself is the same, you just end up with less internal storage.
Just note a couple of things;
1) If you use apps-to-sd, then the internal storage is moot.
2) If you have root, there are no OTA updates, so the 65 MB /cache partition is freed up for other uses.
Personally, I would NEVER switch from this phone to *anything* that lacked a physical keyboard. And that includes a GN1.
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so essentially i would have the same phone with a keyboard when rooted...is the cpu the same ? the 528mhz or whatnot?
jdedeaux said:
so essentially i would have the same phone with a keyboard when rooted...is the cpu the same ? the 528mhz or whatnot?
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1)Same CPU speed
yes
2)Same amount of Ram
yes
3)Same amount of ROM/Internal storage
No, this means that larger Roms will not fit on your Dream and you will have to use Apps2SD which makes a rom slower because of the links needed.Swap will also be used but not used on the Magic.It's up to you if any of this matters to you or not.
Ace42 said:
3)Same amount of ROM/Internal storage
No, this means that larger Roms will not fit on your Dream and you will have to use Apps2SD which makes a rom slower because of the links needed.Swap will also be used but not used on the Magic.It's up to you if any of this matters to you or not.
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Incorrect, on all counts.
Larger roms fit just fine as long as you aren't a complete moron about it.
Apps2SD is ***FASTER*** than keeping everything internal. The reason is that you have INCREASED BANDWIDTH!
Just because you are running an app does NOT mean that it is the ONLY thing drawing data from some storage device.
Each piece of hardware has certain bandwidth limits. If you are running a program from the sdcard, then more of the internal storage device's bandwidth is available for other things, thus net speedup!
Symlinks have ZERO effect on performance.
As for swap... wow. Totally WRONG.
The devices have the SAME AMOUNT OF RAM and therefore the SAME requirements for using extra RAM.
If you DECIDE to use swap on one, then since the other has EXACTLY THE SAME amount of RAM, you would also choose to use swap on THE OTHER.
Note: SWAP is SLOW, and it is BAD for NAND. I do NOT recommend it.
lbcoder said:
Incorrect, on all counts.
Larger roms fit just fine as long as you aren't a complete moron about it.
Apps2SD is ***FASTER*** than keeping everything internal. The reason is that you have INCREASED BANDWIDTH!
Just because you are running an app does NOT mean that it is the ONLY thing drawing data from some storage device.
Each piece of hardware has certain bandwidth limits. If you are running a program from the sdcard, then more of the internal storage device's bandwidth is available for other things, thus net speedup!
Symlinks have ZERO effect on performance.
Note: SWAP is SLOW, and it is BAD for NAND. I do NOT recommend it.
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sorry, bro. i generally agree with what you say... but apps2sd is NOT faster. I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space (this is my first actual smartphone not counting a blackberry) and once i got rid of it my phone has been quite faster. not to mention it burnt up the sdcard i got with the phone and another one i bought. (probably wont have this problem with a class 6.)
swap? lol. man how many times do i hear this. swap is personal pref. sure it slows your phone down. but 32mb backing-swap works wonders for me. it all depends on how you use your phone. and by NAND i hope you don't mean a nandroid backup. not once since I've had this phone has swap ever affected my nandroid backup in any little way whatsoever.
edit: oh as for physical keyboard: i was same way. had a friend with an iPhone and of course i played with it. well, i eventually learned how to use the keyboard so when i went to go get a g1 i decided to go all touchscreen and what can i say? i'm faster texting with a touchscreen than i am a physical keyboard. also, I have to point out that symbols are much easier to access. and when you have to write a long e-mail to college professors it's nice to be able to use them quickly and efficiently.
So, down to the nitty gritty?
It seems like everyone is more of a fan of the G1 vs the MT3g?
Is that the verdict?
To trade or not to trade, that is the question.
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sorry, bro. i generally agree with what you say... but apps2sd is NOT faster. I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space (this is my first actual smartphone not counting a blackberry) and once i got rid of it my phone has been quite faster. not to mention it burnt up the sdcard i got with the phone and another one i bought. (probably wont have this problem with a class 6.)
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You either had a defect, or did something wrong. By your own admission, you know **Mod Edit **about internal storage.
lbcoder said:
You either had a defect, or did something wrong. By your own admission, you know **Mod Edit** about internal storage.
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if you're going to try and come off more educated than me, then may i suggest you read my whole post? much less go back to third grade english.
r3s-rt said:
sorry, bro. i generally agree with what you say... but apps2sd is NOT faster. I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space (this is my first actual smartphone not counting a blackberry) and once i got rid of it my phone has been quite faster. not to mention it burnt up the sdcard i got with the phone and another one i bought. (probably wont have this problem with a class 6.)
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r3s-rt said:
I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space
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There's also a number of real disadvantages to using ?Apps2SD:
1. It will probably slow your apps down as it's thrashing the sd more - even if you have a class 6
2. you'll reduce the life of your sd card
3. you won't be able to remove your SD card/mount it on your pc if you wanted to without your phone crashing/apps dying/hanging/etc.
4. if your SD card is dodgy in the slightest then it will also cause the above.. 5. crashing/hanging/random coredumps, etc - and you'll probably just blame the rom you're using rather than realising it's your SD card.
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taken from xda-wiki... maybe you need to look at... number 2? **Mod Edit **sdcard + walmart doesn't equal class 6, giving it an ever higher chance of dieing.
jdedeaux said:
So, down to the nitty gritty?
It seems like everyone is more of a fan of the G1 vs the MT3g?
Is that the verdict?
To trade or not to trade, that is the question.
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The verdict is that the DREAM is an UPGRADE.
There's also a number of real disadvantages to using ?Apps2SD:
1. It will probably slow your apps down as it's thrashing the sd more - even if you have a class 6
2. you'll reduce the life of your sd card
3. you won't be able to remove your SD card/mount it on your pc if you wanted to without your phone crashing/apps dying/hanging/etc.
4. if your SD card is dodgy in the slightest then it will also cause the above.. 5. crashing/hanging/random coredumps, etc - and you'll probably just blame the rom you're using rather than realising it's your SD card.
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1.... well you will note that it says "probably" -- it does NOT say "definitely". There ARE circumstances where it WILL make things slower, such as when ALSO using SWAPPING.
I would like to point out a technology called RAID. Specifically, a subset of RAID: RAID 0 "striping". With this technology, you use two or more disks together to increase the performance. Overall data throughput is typically the SUM of the throughput of each individual disk.
This isn't quite as sophisticated as striping, but it has the same kind of effect -- that the overall peak throughput will be the sum of the throughput of the individual components.
2 is true of ANYTHING that writes data to your sdcard. Running applications on your sdcard does not typically write ANYTHING -- it is simply the process of INSTALLING them that writes. You can READ them an UNLIMITED number of times. As a result, it is NOT VALID.
3 *partly* incorrect. You can't *remove* the card (how many people actually do remove it? Answer: not many), but you CERTAINLY CAN mount it to your computer and read/write the fat32 partition (read only on the ext). Doing this does NOT cause ANY instability.
4 and 5 are the same thing, and this also applies to your INTERNAL NAND or ANY OTHER storage device that you happen to own. Your home computer, for example. What does it do if the hard disk starts to fail? Things start crashing and it gets real slow.
Summary of 1 through 5: Not applicable.
Just because the information goes over your head (clearly WAY over your head) does NOT mean that there is anything wrong with it.
And for your information, I am reporting this. This kind of disrespect has no place in civilized conversation.
Post tidied up. Next step is to ban anyone who continues to be abusive.
Remain on topic and civil. If you can't respond in that manner then don't post.
WB
lol you guys are nuts, i asked if i should keep my MT3g or trade a guy for his G1 and it got so bad the mods had to come in... now thats a ****ing nerd rage if i've ever seen one... Not being rude but you guys are the reason I can come here to ask these questions because i know im not gonna get a biased answer. Everyone DEFINITELY has their own opinions.
so..
G1 - 1 MT3G - 0
Anyone gonna ante up the MT3G or top off w/ the G1...
Just because you aren't swearing doesn't mean you aren't being abusive. Knock it off.
To the OP, it really varies on what you want. What matters more to you? To me, the hardware keyboard is a GIGANTIC plus. But I don't mind the extra bulk of the HTC Dream. Unless you have the upgraded RAM Magic, then the Dream is better imho.
Also, to finish things once and for all, Apps2sd will not have a gigantic impact on your SD card, at all. Yes, flash does have a limited life, and yes, apps2sd will kill that faster, but it won't be as fast as people are saying. Swap on SD, however, WILL kill flash relatively fast.

great tip for maximizing battery life and speed of OS...

forgive me if this has been said before...
i have been having major battery issues on all roms. i have installed most of them and tried all the different radios etc..my battery life would drop about 15 percent in an hour in stand by mode, and would drain really fast if i used it at all....also the os would be very laggy, and i was JUST about to put it on craigslist then i decided to take all my pictures, cabs etc.. of my memory card, and format the whole thing. WOW what a difference, night and day, i am on the new 9.0 Elacancia ROM, and i am living it. runs perfect, i have not used my nexus one since i did this...NO lag what so ever, and my battery life is AMAZING now...im on the brand new radio listed in the radio section
so, if you have any of those issues, format your SD card..works wonders..again, sorry if this is already known. just thought i would share..
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trying to get mine to look like the evo 4g.
ima try this later , ill update after ive used it for a while.
barronedson said:
ima try this later , ill update after ive used it for a while.
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great! i hope this helps some people...i know i live my hd2 so much more right now
not exactly quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. BUT.... i highly doubt that it had ANYTHING to do with your battery life... this statement comes from 2 sources.... common sense, and software development....
think of it like this....
your sd card is simply a storage medium... it contains data that is used in conjunction with your mobile device.... in order for you sd card to actually "increase" your battery life or even OS performance... it would have to somehow power your device electronically in order to have any type of effect at all....
like i stated before... not quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. and i fully understand that the battery issue with our HD2 can be a little frustrating and can/will ultimately lead to the "placebo" effect which occurs in a lot of the "performance" mods that have surfaced here on XDA....
unfortunately the best way to increase your battery life is to minimize usage... (which is retarded.... why should i buy a phone and not be able to utilize every single function available..???) or get a extended battery....
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on a side note though... what bothers me the most.. is that with the EVO 4G release.. it came stock with a 1500mh battery capacity... and there are ALREADY extended batteries for the device.. (WITHOUT having to have a stupid huge back cover)... this is extremely irritating at how no one seems to be able to develop a 1500mh standard size battery for our HD2.. when the EVO and HD2 are actually quite similar in dimension... thus the battery size itself is similar... this is mind boggling...
enjoy the lesson
ah yes.. and my buddy ken.. enter lame reply here..... ouche....... d ccheers
sd cards and how you use them can have quite an effect on battery.
by default the 2gb or lower ones come formatted FAT not FAT32, so they are a little less inefficient in read write
the block size that the sd card is formatted in can have a big effect on battery life. Say for instance 2k block size vs 4k block size, in a 2k block sd card you need to perform twice as many read operations than a 4k formatted card. The downside of increasing blocksize is more wasted overhead.
If you are using your card for mostly music and images, (i.e larger files), you can increase the block size significantly, right up to 16k, i would say. That way each read operation takes in 16k, 4 times less reads than 4k, 8 times less than 2k.
Plus, if you install a lot of your apps to the sd card, it will be pretty much running all the time, so the phone is powering three memory chips, rom, ram and sd, and the sd flash chip is more power hungry than the built in flash chips.
If you further have an app running from sd, and an mp3 playing from sd, and m,aybe the opera cache on sd like many have, you can probably hold your breath longer than 1% will last.
Ive been experiencing this too. I am backing up my SD now, and about to format to fat32. Twice.
Got this advice from Laurentis26 last night .
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Formatted to 16k, now loading up my backup.
~~Tito~~ said:
Ive been experiencing this too. I am backing up my SD now, and about to format to fat32. Twice.
Got this advice from Laurentis26 last night .
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Formatted to 16k, now loading up my backup.
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And the verdict is?
I have heard some people reporting improvements after reformatting their SDCard. Though anyone formatting their SDCard make sure you back up your damn Transformers movies so you don't loose them, no one here can give them back to you.
One other thing I have found that helps is install all your apps on the phone instead of the SDCard. For me that has improved the overall performance.
ProjektFuze said:
not exactly quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. BUT.... i highly doubt that it had ANYTHING to do with your battery life... this statement comes from 2 sources.... common sense, and software development....
think of it like this....
your sd card is simply a storage medium... it contains data that is used in conjunction with your mobile device.... in order for you sd card to actually "increase" your battery life or even OS performance... it would have to somehow power your device electronically in order to have any type of effect at all....
like i stated before... not quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. and i fully understand that the battery issue with our HD2 can be a little frustrating and can/will ultimately lead to the "placebo" effect which occurs in a lot of the "performance" mods that have surfaced here on XDA....
unfortunately the best way to increase your battery life is to minimize usage... (which is retarded.... why should i buy a phone and not be able to utilize every single function available..???) or get a extended battery....
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on a side note though... what bothers me the most.. is that with the EVO 4G release.. it came stock with a 1500mh battery capacity... and there are ALREADY extended batteries for the device.. (WITHOUT having to have a stupid huge back cover)... this is extremely irritating at how no one seems to be able to develop a 1500mh standard size battery for our HD2.. when the EVO and HD2 are actually quite similar in dimension... thus the battery size itself is similar... this is mind boggling...
enjoy the lesson
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sorry, but no lesson there...
love how some people talk down to other here...
samsamuel said:
sd cards and how you use them can have quite an effect on battery.
by default the 2gb or lower ones come formatted FAT not FAT32, so they are a little less inefficient in read write
the block size that the sd card is formatted in can have a big effect on battery life. Say for instance 2k block size vs 4k block size, in a 2k block sd card you need to perform twice as many read operations than a 4k formatted card. The downside of increasing blocksize is more wasted overhead.
If you are using your card for mostly music and images, (i.e larger files), you can increase the block size significantly, right up to 16k, i would say. That way each read operation takes in 16k, 4 times less reads than 4k, 8 times less than 2k.
Plus, if you install a lot of your apps to the sd card, it will be pretty much running all the time, so the phone is powering three memory chips, rom, ram and sd, and the sd flash chip is more power hungry than the built in flash chips.
If you further have an app running from sd, and an mp3 playing from sd, and m,aybe the opera cache on sd like many have, you can probably hold your breath longer than 1% will last.
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Thank you for that. Great info. i 100% agree. maybe you should give the guy above a "lesson"..
thanks!
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And the verdict is?
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I had to go to the Doctor's and bandage up my nail on my index finger because I pulled it out when I was leaving my house yesterday. It was part ways out and its not too bad. Anyways going to do a fresh flash, fresh install of stuff using 32k formatted 16gb SD card. Going to be using Laurentis26's rom again.
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I had to go to the Doctor's and bandage up my nail on my index finger because I pulled it out when I was leaving my house yesterday. It was part ways out and its not too bad. Anyways going to do a fresh flash, fresh install of stuff using 32k formatted 16gb SD card. Going to be using Laurentis26's rom again.
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Do let us know how it works at 16k blocks.
Cheers.
EDIT: By the way, how are you flashing your SD card? Are you using a proper SD-CARD formatter program? I think Panasonic has a program called Panasonic SD Card Formatter which is designed specifically for SD cards.
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Do let us know how it works at 16k blocks.
Cheers.
EDIT: By the way, how are you flashing your SD card? Are you using a proper SD-CARD formatter program? I think Panasonic has a program called Panasonic SD Card Formatter which is designed specifically for SD cards.
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I've never had any issues with the Windows format tool. I think that works just as good.
Suggestion isn't completely wrong
I don't believe anyone should come to a fast conclusion (those coming with "2" sources), until all scenarios are accounted for.
1) The more you run apps off of the card, a correctly formatted card will result in less energy consumption.
2) The HTC does seem to cache certain items on the card during usage, again formatting will affect read/write performance.
3) Consider the current war of "new" SSD drives. One of the primary factors driving performance is the block size and efficient use of data organization, to a point of very significant gains.
Logically, the way I see it, for any reduction in processing time, the more efficient battery use will be. Now to what extent, I'm not sure.
One thing I do know for certain is, loud mouthed people, who think quick and talk load are often laughed at by those who think first and talk later.
I just formatted my card as well, to FAT 32, with a block size of 16. Unfortunately, I can't compare, because I'm now running Energy's MaxSense ROM, so apple's to oranges. For what it's worth, I'm really happy with it. It's the first time I've ever flashed something, and it took me all of 30 minutes. Easy to do, only a few quick steps and such an improvement in general. A few bugs, especially when dealing with screen rotation between apps. Yet it's a welcomed trade off, considering functionality.
Got off track... Any way, I appreciate this thread! Even if you are/are not correct, this is a forum, built for discussion.
is there a way that the members here can refrain from senseless remarks? you can believe anything you want.. but that's not the argument... the discussion is about facts... and the fact is... formatting your sd card will NOT increase your battery life... before i was just informing but now... I'm actually surprised at how many people refuse to listen to facts and evidence... since I'm sure none have the abilities to replicate some actual testing like myself... just do a simple search... in Yahoo! or Google.. this is a common misconception and I'm merely informing....
again, believe what you want... proceed how you need to... but don't pretend like i don't have the slightest clue of what I'm talking about because that is just incorrect.... just let opinions be opinions and facts be facts... only internet tards confuse the 2... understand?
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I don't believe anyone should come to a fast conclusion (those coming with "2" sources), until all scenarios are accounted for.
1) The more you run apps off of the card, a correctly formatted card will result in less energy consumption.
2) The HTC does seem to cache certain items on the card during usage, again formatting will affect read/write performance.
3) Consider the current war of "new" SSD drives. One of the primary factors driving performance is the block size and efficient use of data organization, to a point of very significant gains.
Logically, the way I see it, for any reduction in processing time, the more efficient battery use will be. Now to what extent, I'm not sure.
One thing I do know for certain is, loud mouthed people, who think quick and talk load are often laughed at by those who think first and talk later.
I just formatted my card as well, to FAT 32, with a block size of 16. Unfortunately, I can't compare, because I'm now running Energy's MaxSense ROM, so apple's to oranges. For what it's worth, I'm really happy with it. It's the first time I've ever flashed something, and it took me all of 30 minutes. Easy to do, only a few quick steps and such an improvement in general. A few bugs, especially when dealing with screen rotation between apps. Yet it's a welcomed trade off, considering functionality.
Got off track... Any way, I appreciate this thread! Even if you are/are not correct, this is a forum, built for discussion.
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well said!
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and the fact is... formatting your sd card will NOT increase your battery life...
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well..sorry..but it did....
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is there a way that the members here can refrain from senseless remarks? you can believe anything you want.. but that's not the argument... the discussion is about facts... and the fact is... formatting your sd card will NOT increase your battery life... before i was just informing but now... I'm actually surprised at how many people refuse to listen to facts and evidence... since I'm sure none have the abilities to replicate some actual testing like myself... just do a simple search... in Yahoo! or Google.. this is a common misconception and I'm merely informing....
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Ahh, the internet has spoken so it must be truth.
I can see battery use going down some by formatting a SD card. But it's not the formatting that would fix anything, it's removing all the installed apps from that SD card as a result of formatting. Especially any apps that periodically check things in the background and make reads/writes from the SD card. The more of these types of apps installed on a SD card and the more apps in general installed on a SD card being removed by formatting, the less battery draw from running those apps.
But do realize, as soon as you put all that stuff back on your right back to where you started.
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great! i hope this helps some people...i know i live my hd2 so much more right now
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hmm battery life doesnt seem too diffrent but the music loads sooo much faster now!

The only only reason, i didn't buy one.

Ok this is not another i hate nexus s thread, but it's just my own opinion, on my only main issue, with the nexus s. I know to most of you, this will not be an issue, but for me the lack of a micro sd slot, put me off. I went into my local Carphonewarehouse and they had them in stock, i admired it and what a beauty it was, and ofcourse i new before going , it didn't have a micro sd slot, but the temptation was too much. I made the same mistake, when i bought my 16gig iPhone, and by the time, i had tom tom installed, which is over a gig, in size, fifa is also nearly a gig, and so are most of the racing games, i was fast running out of memory. By the time i had my music on the phone, it was already grasping, for space. I also like some android apps to download YouTube to watch later, and i also have a tendency of keeping my over 3000 plus family photos and video,s on the phone,so the 16gig, is just not enough, in the long run. I have an iPhone 4 32gig, and even then i still have to constantly uninstall and install apps mainly games, due to space, so for me this is the deal braker, and am struggling to understand why they left this out, because with the explosion of gaming due to come to android, the lack of expandable memory, will be a right pain, mark my words on this one.
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Ok this is not another i hate nexus s thread, but it's just my own opinion, on my only main issue, with the nexus s. I know to most of you, this will not be an issue, but for me the lack of a micro sd slot, put me off. I went into my local Carphonewarehouse and they had them in stock, i admired it and what a beauty it was, and ofcourse i new before going , it didn't have a micro sd slot, but the temptation was too much. I made the same mistake, when i bought my 16gig iPhone, and by the time, i had tom tom installed, which is over a gig, in size, fifa is also nearly a gig, and so are most of the racing games, i was fast running out of memory. By the time i had my music on the phone, it was already grasping, for space. I also like some android apps to download YouTube to watch later, and i also have a tendency of keeping my over 3000 plus family photos and video,s on the phone,so the 16gig, is just not enough, in the long run. I have an iPhone 4 32gig, and even then i still have to constantly uninstall and install apps mainly games, due to space, so for me this is the deal braker, and am struggling to understand why they left this out, because with the explosion of gaming due to come to android, the lack of expandable memory, will be a right pain, mark my words on this one.
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You can't compare app sizes on iPhones and Androids. iPhone app sizes can range from 5megs all the way up to 2 f'ing gigs.
Android apps have a limit of 50megs.
I actually have an iPod Touch 2G, 8gigger, Mod Edit: Talk of Pirated Content, and I'm not even up to 4gigs of it filled. I did have an iPhone 3GS 16gig a year ago and had 4 GPS apps, and I only used up about 8gigs.
You have have some real issues or an app hoarder if your 32gig iPhone is running out of space. (Unless you use it for music too)
But since you're having space issues still with a 32gig why have an iPhone at all? It has no expandable memory either. Rather weird you're bashing on the Nexus S with no expandable memory, yet you have an iPhone 4 32gig with no expandable memory and also having space issues.
Also btw, on Android, you can upload all your pics to picasa, and they are all accessible from the Gallery app at any time.
EDIT: I think this complaint about no microSD card is the worse microSD card complaint I've ever heard... comparing it to iPhone apps.... sigh.
remember that the 1gig of space for apps is not the 15 gigs of space as an SD card, so Fifa may be extremely large but the initial app is installed on "phone memory" and the extra is downloaded to "sd card"
The lack of an external SD card is bothering me less and less the longer I have the device. App space is a non-issue IMHO as they just don't require much space. While it would be nice to carry my entire music collection around with me, I wouldn't be able to do it in an acceptable format anyway as I have something like 120GB in FLAC and ultimately, I don't generally need to have more than 20 or 30 albums at hand.
All of this will be moot once Google launches their music service. Haters like to point out that streaming isn't a solution due to 5GB data caps, but I stream Last.fm in high quality mode an average of 4 hours per day and have never hit my cap.
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The lack of an external SD card is bothering me less and less the longer I have the device. App space is a non-issue IMHO as they just don't require much space. While it would be nice to carry my entire music collection around with me, I wouldn't be able to do it in an acceptable format anyway as I have something like 120GB in FLAC and ultimately, I don't generally need to have more than 20 or 30 albums at hand.
All of this will be moot once Google launches their music service. Haters like to point out that streaming isn't a solution due to 5GB data caps, but I stream Last.fm in high quality mode an average of 4 hours per day and have never hit my cap.
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20-30 albums at hand ! I find even that too much. For me it would be 6-8 albums that I m currently listening to wanting to listen to. Thats more than enough for me for a month long period Then swap them
the missing microSD support does bother me quite a bit, as I'm a heavy user. (16 GB of MP3, 1.5GB of Apps, not counting my collection of 720 HD movies, now i can't have all of that after switching from SGS, due the space constrain)
but luckly having a true unlimited internet over 3G/HSUPA it's a little bit less of a worry, but i'd still prefer to have access to Removable storage.
So i started this topic in DEV http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=885837
if they can unlock the USB to allow and mount external HDD & or USB memory sticks, then we'll be in good hands
Does anyoneknow if the NS as a sd card inside the phone or if its using nand memory?
If its a microsd inside, couldnt we swap it if the phone was taken apart?
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Does anyoneknow if the NS as a sd card inside the phone or if its using nand memory?
If its a microsd inside, couldnt we swap it if the phone was taken apart?
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NAND memory
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I actually have an iPod Touch 2G, 8gigger, jailbroken with TONS of pirated apps/games, and I'm not even up to 4gigs of it filled.
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Come on - some of us are developers. Don't be so cavalier about stealing others' work. I'm sure you've rationalized your behavior internally, but you're a part of the problem.
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Come on - some of us are developers. Don't be so cavalier about stealing others' work. I'm sure you've rationalized your behavior internally, but you're a part of the problem.
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I don't even use my iPod anymore. I only said that as an example, and I hate Apple and only have an iPod for testing and experience, not for personal use. For the Android, I've actually bought tons of apps. The refund period for the Android helps with making purchases too, too bad it's 15 minutes now though.
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16GB limit is probably the most limiting factor of the NS. That and the lack of a notification LED too.
NAND is supposed to be "lightning" fast but my experience with copying files to and from the NS is that it is way slower than an SD card. I know there are some tweaks out there to speed it up but still.
I wonder if the internal access for the CPU and apps is as slow; if so what is the advantage of NAND over SD?
Joe
I see no big issue with the amount of memory and lack of expansion. Your looking at a very small group of people that need more memory build in. 16gb is plenty for the majority of users.
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I'm using my iphone 4 for music but the nexus s is such a pleasure to use.There's always m spot or spotify for music
Shame about no sd though, was weird choice.
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I'm not sure why people keep creating these threads? We really don't care why you didn't buy a Nexus S. We did and we know all about your reason and it didn't bother us as much obviously.
Per forum rules, don't get XDA in trouble; please don't talk about pirating apps, games, or movies. Thank you, and enjoy the holidays!

Advantages Of An SD Card?

I just got a 32GB (Reads 27.4GB) Class 4 SD card for my phone. I know I can load pictures, movies, videos and documents on it, but what else can I do with this card? Essentially, I want to know all of my options before I start loading it up. I always see blurbs involving side loading, storing apps, using it for root and other stuff but I don't completely have the gist of that stuff down. Mind telling me everything I should be using this SD card for? What should I do with it right now before I load any media on it? Thank you!
Note: I am running update .83 and am NOT rooted.
I use mine for as much multimedia as possible, i.e. music, pictures, videos.
I also store boot animations, fonts, themes, and anything else I might want to have readily available after a wipe.............which I do frequently.
I also set my external sdcard as my TiBu location.
<edit> Everything I store on my external sdcard relating to boot animations, themes, etc. are just the files I will re-flash/install should I wipe. It just saves me copying all the flashable files I know I will need every time I wipe/sbf flash. If you store pics, music, etc. on the external sdcard, it is useable on other devices instantly should you remove the card to place in another device, either permanently or temporarily, and I have not had problems with my class 4 card as far as time to access files, play music from, etc. as some people say you will have.
honestly it's just there for storage. The phone has enough internal storage that you'll never need more space for apps. Store all things like backgrounds, widget skins, widget settings, etc on the internal memory, because if you ever remove the sd card the phone can't use them.
external card is also great for TiBu files as CaelanT said.
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you'll never need more space
You are probably right, but.
I've been saying similar things about pcs and devices for the last 13+ years. I was wrong at every turn...
Made me think of my first 20gb hdd.
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cegna09 said:
you'll never need more space
You are probably right, but.
I've been saying similar things about pcs and devices for the last 13+ years. I was wrong at every turn...
Made me think of my first 20gb hdd.
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I remember my first time.............I mean HDD...........was 20MB.
You must be a youngster! LOL
Also, my first computer had 1k of memory!
Sinclair ZX80: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX80
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I never considered myself an "Old Timer" but I have owned a computer longer then most of my coworkers have been alive.
The memories of taking old floppy disks (and I mean real floppy disks not those little 5-1/4 inch deals I mean the 8 inch boys) and cutting notches in them so we could try and use the single sided disks as flipper/double sided ones.
Anyway I have a question for CaelanT... how about video on a class 4. I have a class 10 16gb and was going to go for a class 10 32gb when I got the money, but if you do not have anyproblem with video at class 4 I may save myself a little money.
Video is good for me on 720p unless I pan with the phone, and then I get a wee bit of motion jitter with occasional blur, but I believe I have read that happens to everyone and it's a camera issue. I took video of my sons graduation yesterday with it, and holding the camera still, video and audio were great.
I would post a video, but everything I have is personal. I may do a quick one tonight and post it for you to see.
no problem, don't need to really bother on my account, I trust your opinion.
It's just extra storage but advantage is if your phone dies you can still transfer all your contents to another place. If you only used internal memory if your phone dies everything is stuck on the device.
This is probably a good place to ask: what's the easiest way to transfer music and pictures to the SD card. And I mean taking them out of internal memory,not just copying them.
Never live in the past but always learn from it.
Hmm.. I have another question about sdcard-ext ..
Many big games.. Like the tegra2 games need 200-300mb or more.. And they installed on sdcard.. Bcz for phones without internal sd, sdcard is meant for their external.. So, how can we install these games to external sd??
I will sent this request, as feedback to the devs of "galaxy on fire game"..
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CaelanT said:
JdgM3NT4L said:
cegna09 said:
you'll never need more space
I remember my first time.............I mean HDD...........was 20MB.
You must be a youngster! LOL
Also, my first computer had 1k of memory!
Sinclair ZX80: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX80
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Sounds familier. I remember getting mine. It was 20mb too, big double height 5.25" monster. (Size of two cdrom drives stacked for you youngsters) I remember saying, wow I'll never fill this thing! lol
That would of been in my second computer. The first only had two 5.25" floppies.
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I just had sd card fail this morning. 32g lexar class 10 had it for around a month. Any ideas on how to save the pictures on it. Pc wont even recognize it.
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Why I think no removable batter/MicroSD is a good thing.

Lets talk about the MicroSD first
Like everyone I love to have a phone with MicroSD feature. It makes it easier to swap between my phones as well as to transfer data to my PC. I myself won't mind spending lots of money on a fast microSD card but I have yet to find one that is both FAST and LARGE in capacity. On my Note 4, i'm using Sandisk Extreme and my fastest bench mark test was 70mb Read and 39 Write. Now these numbers are decent but In my opinion MicroSD cards are not keeping up with the speed of phones these days which is cause bottleneck issue and is one of the reasons behind all the lag that people complain about.
Now with the Universal Flash Storage (UFS) 2.0 which has 350Mb/s Read and 150Mb/s, you can rest assure it will not cause any lag from viewing pictures and videos as well as swapping from app to app. Not to mention you can always plug in your OTG cable with flash usb and do all your backups there titanium backup or simply copying your data there which is what i'm doing currently.
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Samsung has ultra fast 128GB UFS 2.0 ready for smartphones
As for the Battery,
While having a removable battery is a plus, from my personal experience I have yet to use it when I want too. I have extra battery and charger for my Note 4 but i always find my self plugging it in rather than taking the cover off and restart my phone. Now with all the new features to charge wirelessily and fastcharge 2.0, I don't think anyone would have any issue. Iphone users as well as other brands from nexus 5,6 and htc didn't complain about their battery then why should we when are ahead of the game in many ways?
With all the features we are getting on the GS6, I think i can easily sacrifice on these too.
I generally agree with you. But after 8 months or so my phone batteries are noticeably less able to hold a charge as much. My note 3 (loved that phone) went from 8-9 hours screen on time to not even 6 hours. Big difference. Changed the bettery and back to normal. This is what I want to be able to do especially if I keep the phone 2 years!
Most people are complaining about choice being taken away
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I generally agree with you. But after 8 months or so my phone batteries are noticeably less able to hold a charge as much. My note 3 (loved that phone) went from 8-9 hours screen on time to not even 6 hours. Big difference. Changed the bettery and back to normal. This is what I want to be able to do especially if I keep the phone 2 years!
Most people are complaining about choice being taken away
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Most batteries have a life cycle of 500 charges. But then having non removable back doesn't mean the battery is not replaceable. You can always heat up the back with air dryer and pull the back off and i'm sure you will see many people doing a tutorial on that but we have to wait and see if it easy to do so or hard.
There's just no good reason to remove microSD support and no real argument to support the decision. Literally every reason you mentioned for supporting the decision could have been done without microSD support being removed. It's that simple. Use of microSD was an -option- that nobody would have been forced to use. Removal of options is rarely a good thing, and this isn't one of those rare exceptions.
Lack of a removable battery has only two good sides in most any situation, and one of them was left out of the picture here. Non-removable battery brings two benefits, and two benefits only.
1. Unibody design (Usually means slimmer, which at this point, it's highly debatable whether or not that's even a good thing)
2. Waterproofing (Omitted)
Personally, the 128GB of (hopefully) UFS will be enough for me and I STILL disagree with the decision. Why? Again, removal of options is rarely a good thing, and this isn't one of those cases. I can take or leave the removable battery. Simple fact of the matter is that I havn't had nor used a device where I couldn't change the battery when I felt like it regardless of whether or not it being removable was part of a spec sheet or not. With that said, I'm not a daily battery swapper, so I certainly see why people are concerned there.
Regardless, what should have happened is that there should have been a 128GB UFS option WITH support for a microSD utilizing up to 128GBs, period. I suspect that their reasoning (other than the obvious incredibly mild cost savings) will be for the sake of trying to do the impossible and "fix stupid." By fixing stupid, I mean you'll always have people who won't be able to comprehend that all flash storage isn't just any ole flash storage, and will whine and complain that their $10 Wal-mart microSD isn't as fast as the on-board storage. Which will lead to them saying the device is slow when in actuality they're just too "slow" to realize what the issue is. While I understand the concept thanks to my personal field of expertise, I've already realized the truth in that matter:
When you try to fix stupid, you piss off smart, and stupid stays stupid; just in some other manner of being stupid.
And of course there's the greed aspect; wherein all of a sudden, a would-be 32GB buyer becomes a 64GB buyer and a 64GB buyer becomes a 128GB buyer due to the lack of a microSD slot.
For how I use my SD cards (and it seems that I'm far from alone in this), the speed makes no real difference at all. I keep my cards loaded up with my most commonly used FLAC files and rarely make any changes to them. On my S4 I see no difference in opening music or video files compared to the internal storage. Copying new files to the phone via USB is certainly slower on SD, but that's the only situation where the speed difference is even noticeable.
For the OS and apps, the built-in storage speed is the only way to fly, but having more onboard storage is always better for me, even if it's relatively slow SD added to 128GB of super fast UFS. I've used OTG and it's completely annoying and clunky having wires & USB drives hanging off the phone, and the OTG route isn't nearly as compact as carrying an extra MicroSD card (or three).
Battery is less of an issue for me in everyday use, but I travel a lot for work and having spare internal batteries means I can sit in airports and on planes without having to have an external device hanging off of my phone to keep it running. What if you are running low on battery AND the files you need are on OTG? I don't think you can do both at the same time, something that would never be a problem on a phone with SD and removable battery.
As I mentioned in another tread, I don't think the battery issue is a big deal any more just because those portable battery chargers are cheaper than an extra battery. I just put the phone in my pocket with one of those and I am charged up in no time. I haven't bought a spare battery since my SGS3 for this reason.
As far as the SD card does though, I HATE that it's gone. It's not even a space issue, it's a functionality issue. I think 64gig is more than enough for me. I haven't filled up my 64gig card. However, when I go from one phone to another, I just put my microsd card in and I'm done. If my phone breaks, gets wet, doesn't turn on any more... I didn't lose anything, my titanium backup is on my SD card, I pull that out and put it into my replacement phone, and I'm good to go.
The process now to get a new phone up and running is now much harder and the risk of losing everything if your phone breaks is much higher. Yes, yes... there is a cloud. But without unlimited data, I don't want to back up to my cloud... plus I don't want my pictures being uploaded to the cloud anyway.
Yathani said:
Lets talk about the MicroSD first
Like everyone I love to have a phone with MicroSD feature. It makes it easier to swap between my phones as well as to transfer data to my PC. I myself won't mind spending lots of money on a fast microSD card but I have yet to find one that is both FAST and LARGE in capacity. On my Note 4, i'm using Sandisk Extreme and my fastest bench mark test was 70mb Read and 39 Write. Now these numbers are decent but In my opinion MicroSD cards are not keeping up with the speed of phones these days which is cause bottleneck issue and is one of the reasons behind all the lag that people complain about.
Now with the Universal Flash Storage (UFS) 2.0 which has 350Mb/s Read and 150Mb/s, you can rest assure it will not cause any lag from viewing pictures and videos as well as swapping from app to app. Not to mention you can always plug in your OTG cable with flash usb and do all your backups there titanium backup or simply copying your data there which is what i'm doing currently.
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The entire basis for your argument is stupid.
External cards are mostly used for storing media files where speed is not a concern
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The entire basis for your argument is stupid.
External cards are mostly used for storing media files where speed is not a concern
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And your entire reply basis is ignorant and does not show respect to other opinion.
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And your entire reply basis is ignorant and does not show respect to other opinion.
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No **** Sherlock!!
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And your entire reply basis is ignorant and does not show respect to other opinion.
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You are entitled to your opinion for sure but you are certainly not entitled to respect for that opinion...your arguments are without merit and though I wouldn't call them stupid simply out of politeness I am sure others would not be as polite.....
Fact is they could have kept the microsd and ufs.
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My Samsung Galaxy Nexus runs the sane nearly 3 1/2 years later, in terms of the battery, as it did on day 1. I've never had to replace the battery, and in my opinion, the whole "batteries degrade in less than a year" argument is a sham.
Also, let's face reality, the average consumer isn't a techno nerd on a phone forum or a tech blogger. The average person looks at the phones in their local carrier store and picks what they like (if they aren't already set on an iPhone of course). The S6 stands head and shoulders above the rest in terms of display, design, and the "edge". This phone will sell well, despite not having a removable back or SD card slot. 99% (yes...I made that up) of people out there aren't walking around with a spare battery in their pocket, or trying to carry 10,000 songs, and multi-gig videos on their phones.
If your phone were to suddenly die or break for some reason, good luck retrieving photos, videos, etc. from it. With a MicroSD storage, you can just remove it and be on your way.
I like to store movies and archive photos, videos, etc. and having expandable storage is extremely crucial. Would you buy a PC without a removable PSU or removable hard drives? Didn't think so.
The only logical explanation for Samsung to go this route, regardless of what's been touted in the news, is that they deliberately want a drop in sales and stocks and company image. Then the S7 will bring it back and they'll give the impression of it being a new breathtaking device for the people. Either that, or the S7 will be a flip phone.
I'm a Note user, and if the Note 5 goes this backwards route, then I will never consider Samsung as a brand again.
Well I think they would cut the SD card slot out mostly to save a few bucks and to get people to buy the larger versions of their phone. I do understand that if people move things like apps to their SD card they will miss the whole speed point of the phone. The only think I have ever put on my SD card are pictures and music... maybe a video now and then.... and if that moves any faster the music tempo will be off
I appreciate the fact that their new memory is much faster but people never do well with a feature being taken away.
SirWise23 said:
Well I think they would cut the SD card slot out mostly to save a few bucks and to get people to buy the larger versions of their phone. I do understand that if people move things like apps to their SD card they will miss the whole speed point of the phone. The only think I have ever put on my SD card are pictures and music... maybe a video now and then.... and if that moves any faster the music tempo will be off
I appreciate the fact that their new memory is much faster but people never do well with a feature being taken away.
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They could have done with a simple warning.
The point of the SD is that you can move all your media to it, leaving the faster internal storage free for apps
I think its more of a personal preference. I used to be a person that was so "pro-removable battery", but when I had my S5, I wasnt even changing my batteries as often. Now that I have a Z3, which has no removable battery, I don't even think about battery because the phone lasts long. I charge my battery every night before I sleep anyways and it lasts me through the day. So long as the S6 does the same I will be happy.
Well said
ThaiM said:
If your phone were to suddenly die or break for some reason, good luck retrieving photos, videos, etc. from it. With a MicroSD storage, you can just remove it and be on your way.
I like to store movies and archive photos, videos, etc. and having expandable storage is extremely crucial. Would you buy a PC without a removable PSU or removable hard drives? Didn't think so.
The only logical explanation for Samsung to go this route, regardless of what's been touted in the news, is that they deliberately want a drop in sales and stocks and company image. Then the S7 will bring it back and they'll give the impression of it being a new breathtaking device for the people. Either that, or the S7 will be a flip phone.
I'm a Note user, and if the Note 5 goes this backwards route, then I will never consider Samsung as a brand again.
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Thats why you back up your stuff...its not wise to keep everything you own on a MicroSD, because it can crash and break just like internal memory can
smooth4lyfe said:
Thats why you back up your stuff...its not wise to keep everything you own on a MicroSD, because it can crash and break just like internal memory can
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You can backup and still have archives on your MicroSD for viewing.
And another instance, if you're on vacation and want to take many videos and photos with your device. You CAN with removable external storage. Backing up onto the cloud during vacations is not practical. Unless you're a millionaire with an endless cashflow for data. Look how much space a single 2 minute 4K video clip takes up. That'll fill up your entire device in no time. And then backing up gigs and gigs of data to the cloud? And then retrieving? Not practical. The cloud is not a compromise.
I am inclined to agree with the OP. The new nand is going to make the phone fly, and will help the phone capture great photos. I'm just finally glad they ditched the 16GB option. That should have disappeared with the S3.
I look forward to the head to head reviews with the M9. If the camera doesn't perform well, I'll most likely get the S6.
ThaiM said:
You can backup and still have archives on your MicroSD for viewing.
And another instance, if you're on vacation and want to take many videos and photos with your device. You CAN with removable external storage. Backing up onto the cloud during vacations is not practical. Unless you're a millionaire with an endless cashflow for data. Look how much space a single 2 minute 4K video clip takes up. That'll fill up your entire device in no time. And then backing up gigs and gigs of data to the cloud? And then retrieving? Not practical. The cloud is not a compromise.
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Do you plan on taking many 4K videos?
I have 60GB of Dropbox free (from a Samsung promotion) and I save all my pics on there, its not that bad. The only con about using cloud storage is safety of files. If you make a Box Cloud account, you get 20GB free. You can also retrieve them anytime (so long as u have a data connection, which could be a con in some cases).
I do agree that having a MicroSD card is more convenient, but I don't see it as a major dealbreaker

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