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Newbee: How to install WidComm? And dose it work?

Now I have been looking for 2 days on this forum, and I cant find it anywhere!!
Okay, I would like to be in my bed with my PDA, and surf the internet.
I dont have a Bluetooth dongle my self, by the guy next to me has. And I have permision to use his internet connection. (Less than 10 meters away, it about 3-4 meters).
So one problem is that I cant use the BT Active Sync, to surf the internet (I dont know if this is how it is done), like you can surf while the XdaII is in the cradel.
So I have been surfing around, and I think I need the WidComm BT stack to be able to surf the internet over BT. But how is this done. I have downloadet files, and read alot on this forum, but I cant seem to find any install guide those cab files and other thing to the PDA.
And then I have read about alot of users that has had problems with the WidComm stack, and say that the M$ BT stack can do the same in the latest update, but I cant find the settings, it all looks the same.
So if any one can help a XdaII (or PDA) newbee, with an install guide and some of your sugestions for the networking, then I would be realy happy.
BTW, if you also know how to set up an audio gateway on the PDA (for my head set) then that wold be great as well. And maby to get the button on the headset to do M$ voice command (if you have it install), then that would be fantastic.

Try downloading bluetooth tools and see if that works for you.
http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html

I did that, but it did not change to much, it only gave me a "call last number" function in the head set, but not any thing with the network

BT and COM
i am having a hard time with it as well, I have win XP pro, and a sitecom USB BT dongle, the drivers for the dongle dont seem to work, it is has if the XP drivers have taken over, all the guides seem to use settings that are not available to the Windows XP BT drivers,
at one point i thought i got it, instead of connecting my XDA to the PC i did it the other way about. This time windows detected and setup some COM ports, although at the moment its at com 13 and 14
(this can be changed by doing to Device manager, selecting the port, properties, advanced, and changing it to whatever you want, it will say the port is in use, but none of the other ports 1-12 are infact in use (although it says they are) not sure if this will generate further problems?
So i think thats the PC side sorted?
now the PDA side, just before i updated PPC2003 i tried this and it didnt work, i then installed those BT tools and it came up with the cool servies page right at the end of setting up a link.
But didn't work, with hindsight i believe it would work if i had connect as i explained above, adding the XDA to the PC.
I then updated PPC2003 useing o2's updater.
setting up a link using the BT settings right after the update did have some extra settings to do with com ports but it still doesnt work and the connect via BT on activesync isnt there.
Then i tried those BT tools everyone is going on about
i get the BT icons on the desktop but thats it, nothing else happens. The cool services screen fails to pop up after setting the link and the connect via BT in sync is also missing.
this might be of no use but at one point useing standard drivers from XP and PPC2003 SP1 i did get a message saying it couldnt connect because it might not be a smart phone or PPC or somthing like that. im totally stuffed with this.
oh it does connect in that i can transfer files TO the XDA but not the other way about.

Hello folks!
This is how I've done it...
1- I installed Widcomm version 1.3.2.7 (on the PC) (BTW I use a Cheap-o-Epox USB dongle)
2- I Downloaded BT Tools (http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html)
3- I established an Activesync connection through Bluetooth (this is done on the PocketPC by using the Activesync/Tools/Connect via 'computername')
4- I configured Widcomm to always trust the incoming MDA2 Bluetooth connection.
5- That's it, works every time... (well actually sometimes works on the second try but works nonetheless)
Good luck!
Rayan

I've also had some success with the Widcomm stack, but I have one problem.
In order for the bluetooth connection to work, I need to log into an account on the XP machine. If someone else then comes along and logs into another account, then my bluetooth connection is dropped. Also, if I don't log into an account, then I can't use bluetooth.
Basically, it seems to be the case that instead of running as a service, the bluetooth stack is running in user accounts. Anyone else got experience with this? Is there a way to configure the installation so that it runs as a service?

Hi Guys,
I have a similar question... is there a release due / tools available to fully utulise the bluetooth stack like the ipaqs for example. Ipaqs can locate and connect to devices as a 'hunter' but the XdaII just seems to be the 'hunted' when it comes to establishing a connection. Is there any way to make my otherwise excellent XdaII a bit more agressive when it comes to seeking out bluetooth connections??? I have already installed the Bluetooth tools v1.01 but this doesn't help the actual 'seeking' connectivity part of things
Can any of you bright sparks out there help ???? If enough people wanted this functionality, what would it cost to develop if it is not available maybe ???
just a thought. Cheers all.
AndyG

Technoas said:
Now I have been looking for 2 days on this forum, and I cant find it anywhere!!
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So I have been surfing around, and I think I need the WidComm BT stack to be able to surf the internet over BT. But how is this done. I have downloadet files, and read alot on this forum, but I cant seem to find any install guide those cab files and other thing to the PDA.
So if any one can help a XdaII (or PDA) newbee, with an install guide and some of your sugestions for the networking, then I would be realy happy.
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I found the answer to how to install the .cab file, just copy it to your device and select it in file manager, it then install's itself.
If I manage to connect my GTek 2020 to my BT AP with this I'll let you know!

Bluetooth GPRS on PC

Hi,
I'm trying to use my XDA2 to provide Internet Access (GPRS) via BT to my portable PC.
I'm using my PCs built-in Bluetooth-module (running on WIDCOMM 1.4.1 Build 6)
I have no problem synchronizing my XDA2 with Outlook using BT (since this is a connection initiated by the XDA2) but if I "browse" the services on my XDA2 from my PC I only get OBEX Object Push.
I know from previous occations that you should be able to see Serial Ports etc.
My XDA2 is running on the following version:
R: 1.06.01
G: 1337.16
D: 1.60.00WWE
And Pocket Bluetooth Tools
Can anyone tell me what to look for?
Thanx in advance
Frank.

You can try using the XDA II in the wireless modem mode... See your program files for this application. Works for me.

There's your problem... You need to uninstall Pocket Bluetooth Tools; it removes your SSA service (which you need for BT Wireless Modem)

Hmm I also do use the Bluetooth Tools so I doubt you need to remove this very handy app. ?

Hi.
Well, I had to hard-reset my PDA in order to remove Pocket Bluetooth Tools (PBT), so I don't know if it was the hard-reset or PBT that did the works, but now I get the SSA profile and can connect to it without any problems.
Unfortunatly I lost the option to sync my PDA via Bluetooth, since Active Sync cant find any ports. So I'll give PBT another try, otherwise I'll just use the FIR-port to sync.
Thank you for your help. I'll let you know how things work out, when I re-install PBT.
Best regard,
Frank.

What ROM you running? With the 1.72, you have the options of enablign outgoing and incoming COM ports in the settings menu (Start --> Settings --> Bluetooth Settings)
Before installing Bluetooth Tools, I've got: Serial, SSA, Object Push, and one more.
After installing: I've only got Serial and the other one that I cannot remember.
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For me, it was the Bluetooth Tools that was holding me back. I've emailed the author to see whether he can add the SSA port.

Update:
Well, first of all, I was thrilled to find out that I no longer have to start the Wireless Modem-app to use the GPRS-connection on my laptop. Apperantly a modem-emulator runs in the background, so my XDA2 stays fully functional while its forwarding GPRS traffic. (Though I think it's strange that theres no indication what-so-ever that the GPRS is in use - normally you get a different icon at the antenna)
Anyways, I installed the latest version af Pocket Bluetooth Tools (PBT). And the SSA-profile was still there and working. Then I paired my laptop using the ActiveSync profile in PBT - and wupti: Both the GPRS "dial-through"/SSA and ActiveSync is working - at the same time.
Now, all thats left is to pair it with my BT GPS receiver. Can't do it at moment since it's at home - I don't expect any problems with it though. Usually works without problems.
Thank you again for your input.
Frank.

hmm... that's awesome. I'll install Pocket Bluetooth again and see whether it works.
Can you answer these:
1. Which ROM you using (ie. O2 1.60)
2. Which version of Pocket Bluetooth Tools? 1.1.0.0?
Thanks... That's awesome news though. I love how it turns the Bluetooth on and off automatically.

WeatherB:
I'm using ROM 1.60.00WWE (QTek) and the latest version of PBT (1.1.0.0)
It works like a dream

I guess it's possible that Pocket Bluetooth is conflicting with 1.72

I know for a fact, that ver. 1.1.0.0 is conflicting with 1.72 - my friend tried to use this.
He then installed a previous version of PBT, but still can't see the SSA-profile, but the ActiveSync profile now works.
He will try to uninstall PBT and see if the SSA appears.

oh okay... I might have to downgrade to 1.60...
What's the main difference between 1.60 and 1.72?

WeatherB:
I just talked to my friend again. Seems I misunderstood him the first time. The reason he uses an older version of PBT is that with the new version his headset-profile is not supported.
Apparantly the biggest advantage of the 1.70 is the improved battery lifetime. He says he only charges his battery twice as often now. I'm sure there are other improvements - I just can't find 'em in the Upgrade 'n Modifying-forum right now.

I did the downgrade to 1.60 last night and I noticed something weird about PBT... After bonding with a device, you need to leave that last screen (the one that PBT created) unchecked and all will work fine.
Not sure if I tried this workaround with 1.72; but non-the-less, seems to be working. I did however lose the Audio Gateway after installing PBT. But no biggie, don't want to listen use my PDA as an audio gateway for my PC.

WeatherB:
Hmm. I checked the Active Sync-box, otherwise I couldn't connect via Active Sync over BT, since it wasn't in the menu.
But I don't remember if I paired it from the PDA or the PC. But everything works - also the GPS - so I guess it's simply a question on fidling with it.

Exactly... I'll play with it and see how to get the most out of it without messing it up.

BlueTooth WLAN?

Is there any BlueTooth WLAN?
Something like BlueTooth GPS.
If I have this BlueTooth WLAN, it will be so greeaatt!!!
Best regards,
Arto

I did see such a device but can't remember what it was called. Pocket Bridge or something. Mind you there was also meant to be a bluetooth hard drive haven't seen thouse mentioned for a while either.

There are two ways to connect to a LAN using BT, and only one of them is currently working with the BT implementation on the Magician.
The first, and best, way would be to get yourself a BT access point and connect it to your LAN. Need I say that this is the method that will not work with the Magician?
The second way, which will work on the magician, is to get a bluetooth dongle/card for your pc, create a wireless Activesync connection and use network passthrough.

Here is a device that will bridge bluetooth to wifi but it doesn't look very small:-
http://www.bluegiga.com/WRAPAS/

jwhitham said:
Here is a device that will bridge bluetooth to wifi but it doesn't look very small:-
http://www.bluegiga.com/WRAPAS/
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This is the first option I wrote about. It will not work with the Magician.
And if it did work with the Magician, why would you worry about the size? It is not something you carry around! It is like a WLAN access point but for bluetooth, you plug it in to your network and then you can connect the bluetooth device within a certain distance.
Need I tell you again, this will NOT, i repeat NOT work with the Magician. At least not with the current BT stack.

That's a shame it wont work. The reason I would want to carry it is because it can act as a bluetooth access point from a Wifi network. This would let you just public wi-fi hotspots without having a wi-fi card poking out of your magician and even have a 2GB SD card in there at the same time.

universal and bluetooth connection

So far I have been unable to syncronise using bluetooth. I could do it without much sweat win pda2k (ba), but not with jasjar (universal) so far. Any other owner managed to figure out how to do it? Cheers.

Got it working no problem at all. In fact I managed this before I managed to get it working with USB.
I used the same method that one would use for any WM2003 device.
Set PDA to discoverable on JASJAR
Look for BT devices from PC
Select the JASJAR
Select BT serial port
Find out the COM port of this serial port. Note it down.
Fire up activesync
Change the connection settings to look on the com port you noted down.
On JASJAR got to BT settings
Add a BT device
Select your PC
Select Activesync partner
Go to activesync
Select synch via BT from the menu

i will try again
i prefer the wm2003 wizard to wm2005, i will see maybe i missed something. thanks for clear instructions

still problem with bluetooth
Well I still have been unable to get the bluetooth working for the syncing. I follow the instructions in the booklet and help files, + what I just been told, but there are two issues,
the serial port is for outgoing from the PC, so that could not be used.
In the Com ports tabs two com ports get assigned one for incoming and one for outgoing, with the BA, we use the incoming which we feed into the Activesync, and it works then.
If I do that and create a sync relationship on the pda, there is the option of assigning outgoing port from pda, however when relationship is created only the incoming serial is showing up...
anyways, i have no problem using bluetooth on BA, and could not get it to work on jasjar/htc univ.
Doesnt matter I dont mind using the cable, but dishing the equivalent of US$1400 for a pda whose wizards dont work properly is a bit of an anteclimax.
And talking about ergonomics, the virtual keyboard has the annoying tendency to cover what u are going to write, so u dont see what u are writing...
They also removed the Avantgo utility from the IE, but I got it back by installing the one for winCE and upgrading over...
So for now, I will keep working on my BA (pda2k) as I dont want to waste my time working around bugs, until these get ironed out.
Greetings
Nabil H
I hope all these bugs will be fixed after the official launch

working at last
i managed to get the bluetooth syncing, the secret
1. hard reset,
2. recognise device on pc side
3. create activesync partnership on pda side
4. check incoming com port on pc side
5. feed that to activesync on pc side
6. check activesync partnership from pda side with pc
7. pda will pick up on partnership serial connection as being activesync
8. incoming and outgoing com ports ready to be used on pda side
9. choose outgoing com port on pda same as incoming com port on pc
10. connection established syncing starts...
All this without starting using the usb cable (so different from BA method)...
hope it helps others...

probs... again
Now after setting up and synicng with bluetooth I used the usb link to sync, and it complained about an error. I had to remove the bluetooth setup, and it is still complaining, I give up
I guess the famous russian saying is very wise: "Better is the enemy of the good"
Nabil H out

bluetooth, usb link and wifi
No wonder bluetooth was turned off by default in this jasjar shipment. I believe the following are bugs:
1. U can set up activesync over bluetooth initially after a hard reset.
2. If you then set it up after over a usb link, u lose the bluetooth setting, and can only sync over bluetooth after a hard reset again!
3. If u set up bluetooth, u get difficulties with wifi not connecting (on my system I can only get that back by disabling my wifi connection then enabling it again, dont ask me why this is so, i do not have the foggest clue)
4. When ur wifi is worknig u start having problems with bluetooth connections.
5. Even with a bluetooth sync working, u cannot browse folders on ur jasjar device from another device, as this service does not seem to be implemented.
This does not look very good for users who have multiple/various network connections...
So a patch is already needed for these connectivity issues...
Developers, look into this please...
Greetings
Nabil H out

wifi and bluetooth - solved
I finally managed, after some sweat to get:
. Wifi and bluetooth working together
. Two pda's BA and Universal using wifi simultaneously.
However what cannot be done is:
. Using two pda's with activesync simultaneously, this is a limitation of MS Activesync.
Greetings
Nabil H
PS On club imate website there is now a faq fro JASRAR (HTC Univ).

wifi and bluetooth - solved
Nabil,
can you post what you did to get this working.
thanks.
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I finally managed, after some sweat to get:
. Wifi and bluetooth working together
. Two pda's BA and Universal using wifi simultaneously.
However what cannot be done is:
. Using two pda's with activesync simultaneously, this is a limitation of MS Activesync.
Greetings
Nabil H
PS On club imate website there is now a faq fro JASRAR (HTC Univ).

Bluetooth problem

I have a problem with file transfer using bluetooth.
I recently unstalled the latest stock HTC WM6.5 rom for my Diamond 2.
Then I tried to add a A2DP headset to my laptop, and to do this had to install a new Broadcom BT driver to my laptop.
After loading the new BT driver to the laptop I had to re-pair my phones (the Diamond and a Samsung E2550 standard phone).
After re-pairing both phones I find I can transfer files from both phones to the laptop, and I can transfer files from the laptop to the Samsung.
However when I try to transfer files to the Daimond, I get an error on the laptop saying 'No Service'.
In the laptop BT 'Services' I notice that one of the services for the Samsung is 'File Transfer(Obex)', but this does not appear in the services list for the diamond.
Has anyone any ideas how I get this to work. How can I get 'File Transfer (Obex) working on the Diamond?
NOTE: File transfer worked on the Diamond before I upgraded the rom on the phone and the BT driver on the laptop.
2nd NOTE: File transfer between the Samsung and Diamond works OK - still not transferring from PC to Diamond though
Thanks.

Touch Tools
pewe said:
I have a problem with file transfer using bluetooth.
I recently unstalled the latest stock HTC WM6.5 rom for my Diamond 2.
Then I tried to add a A2DP headset to my laptop, and to do this had to install a new Broadcom BT driver to my laptop.
After loading the new BT driver to the laptop I had to re-pair my phones (the Diamond and a Samsung E2550 standard phone).
After re-pairing both phones I find I can transfer files from both phones to the laptop, and I can transfer files from the laptop to the Samsung.
However when I try to transfer files to the Daimond, I get an error on the laptop saying 'No Service'.
In the laptop BT 'Services' I notice that one of the services for the Samsung is 'File Transfer(Obex)', but this does not appear in the services list for the diamond.
Has anyone any ideas how I get this to work. How can I get 'File Transfer (Obex) working on the Diamond?
NOTE: File transfer worked on the Diamond before I upgraded the rom on the phone and the BT driver on the laptop.
2nd NOTE: File transfer between the Samsung and Diamond works OK - still not transferring from PC to Diamond though
Thanks.
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Touch Tools has an option to "Enable OBEX File Transfer Service":
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=683951
Would be nice to here about, if this works for you.

Thanks Braunie - but the problem is not with the enabling in the registry, the correct entry is already there
; Enable Bluetooth OBEX file transfer
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Obex]
"IsEnabled"=dword:00000001
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So the problem is more sinister than that.
So any assistance sorting this would be greatly appreciated.

It appears that the problem is not the phone - its the laptop.
To get an A2DP driver for my bluetooth headset I had to install the Widcomm bluetooth driver as A2DP is not supported in Win 7 or Acer blutooth drivers.
I uninstalled the widcomm driver and the standard Acer bluetooth driver works - I can transfer files to the phone again.
So I'm back to square one - use the standard driver and have no A2DP, or use Widcomm and lose the ability to transfer files to the phone.

pewe said:
It appears that the problem is not the phone - its the laptop.
To get an A2DP driver for my bluetooth headset I had to install the Widcomm bluetooth driver as A2DP is not supported in Win 7 or Acer blutooth drivers.
I uninstalled the widcomm driver and the standard Acer bluetooth driver works - I can transfer files to the phone again.
So I'm back to square one - use the standard driver and have no A2DP, or use Widcomm and lose the ability to transfer files to the phone.
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Live could be so easy if some software-developers would think a step further.

The main contender for problems appears to be Microsoft.
For some reason they have never bothered to tidy up their bluetooth drivers - even though they push both PC and Mobile versions of Windows. Another example is that I cannot connect to my HTC using Bluetooth in Windows Mobile Device Centre - even though I have set the bluetooth as enabled in WMDC.
From the posts on various forums etc it appears that a lot of people have similar problems to mine with A2DP, as well as other general issues with standard bluetooth drivers.
I will keep hunting around to try and find a bluetooth stack that resolves both my issues in one driver - don't hold out much hope though.

pewe said:
The main contender for problems appears to be Microsoft.
For some reason they have never bothered to tidy up their bluetooth drivers - even though they push both PC and Mobile versions of Windows. Another example is that I cannot connect to my HTC using Bluetooth in Windows Mobile Device Centre - even though I have set the bluetooth as enabled in WMDC.
From the posts on various forums etc it appears that a lot of people have similar problems to mine with A2DP, as well as other general issues with standard bluetooth drivers.
I will keep hunting around to try and find a bluetooth stack that resolves both my issues in one driver - don't hold out much hope though.
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With A2DP I have no experience. But I think Windows Mobile has still a better bluetooth-support than android or so. As example rSAP-support for the handsfree in my car works perfect. This means that my HTC TD2 automatically connects to my car, the radio of my TD2 will be disabled because the handsfree has its own. The phone-book will automatically synchronised with the handsfree.
By the way; the bluetooth-connection with activesync (WinXP) works with no problems for me.
Wish you good luck on your "quest" ...

But I think Windows Mobile has still a better bluetooth-support than android
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I have no problems with the mobile.
Bluetooth on the Diamond II recognises the A2DP headset, and other hands free headsets, pairs and sends files to the laptop and ends/recieves files from other phones - all good.
It appears to be a problem with Win 7 on the laptop which gives the grief.
I had no problem using bluetooth in Activesync on XP, the problems arose with the introduction of Windows Mobile Device Centre in Vista and Win7.
Wish you good luck on your "quest"
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Thanks.