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Tmobile G1...

I've been doing a lot of research, and reading on the G1 forum, but i was just curious what you guys thought about the new Tmobile G1. It looks like a really slick phone and I'm seriously thinking about ordering it.

I know a lot of people will post the "its awesome" pitch.... but honestly
pros: extremely powerful hardware with a very stable operating system.
cons: the operating system is very new... meaning that there is no real software or rom development out there for it.... meaning no customization. (and currently no real games at all!!!! lol)
conclusion: im happy enough with my wing that i PERSONALLY will stick with it for a while (especially with ttrans new 7.4 rom - great performance and plenty of space).... as soon as some real progress is made in development for android i will buy a G1

I pre-ordered mine 2 hours ago and can't wait to get mine on November 10th.
I have the Wing and love it but I'm the type of person that gets bored really fast. So G1 here I come!

elsucio03 said:
I pre-ordered mine 2 hours ago and can't wait to get mine on November 10th.
I have the Wing and love it but I'm the type of person that gets bored really fast. So G1 here I come!
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Well if your that type of person then you will only be entertained by the G1 for about a week... i've been doing some reseach on it and most of the reviews say that its pretty basic and needs work by developers! the only reason i would get one is the fact that it has the hardware to support 3G..but my location wont have it till next year so im happy with my wing!!

i personally love my wing
i can see my self upgrading to the touch pro instead of the g1
i ilke the innovative look the the g1 but if i get some hand on with it i can see which phone i will go to
i have had a lot of hands on with the touch diamond so i can fix a lot of the issues with the touch pro if i get it

Look, I loved my Wing when I had it too. But any one who thinks the G1 won't blow the Wing out of the water is ridiculously stupid. And I don't say that to offend any one either. Do some research. Look at what the phone can do and what they phone will do in the future. People can make applications. That right there says a bunch. Imagine the kind of **** we'll be able to use. Android may be new, but it's gotten great reviews. As time goes on, it will only get better for the G1 and its users. There's a reason they've sold over 1.5 million pre-orders for the G1. Stick with Windows Mobile if you want, lol.

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Look, I loved my Wing when I had it too. But any one who thinks the G1 won't blow the Wing out of the water is ridiculously stupid. And I don't say that to offend any one either. Do some research. Look at what the phone can do and what they phone will do in the future. People can make applications. That right there says a bunch. Imagine the kind of **** we'll be able to use. Android may be new, but it's gotten great reviews. As time goes on, it will only get better for the G1 and its users. There's a reason they've sold over 1.5 million pre-orders for the G1. Stick with Windows Mobile if you want, lol.
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i think i will i do want to try the g1 but i dont like how limited the 3g coverage is but it does look like a good phone

itslinx said:
Look, I loved my Wing when I had it too. But any one who thinks the G1 won't blow the Wing out of the water is ridiculously stupid. And I don't say that to offend any one either. Do some research. Look at what the phone can do and what they phone will do in the future. People can make applications. That right there says a bunch. Imagine the kind of **** we'll be able to use. Android may be new, but it's gotten great reviews. As time goes on, it will only get better for the G1 and its users. There's a reason they've sold over 1.5 million pre-orders for the G1. Stick with Windows Mobile if you want, lol.
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I just wish I had one so I could actually spend time with it. The fact that it's more or less open source, means there will be a ton of programs and applications once there is time to make them. I think I'll hold off for a bit, but 179 is ridiculously cheap compared to the wing, and has the hardware to smoke, but for the time being, I think I'll just keep moddin my wing and do some more research.

dougstoner said:
I just wish I had one so I could actually spend time with it. The fact that it's more or less open source, means there will be a ton of programs and applications once there is time to make them. I think I'll hold off for a bit, but 179 is ridiculously cheap compared to the wing, and has the hardware to smoke, but for the time being, I think I'll just keep moddin my wing and do some more research.
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amen to that

ilikepu said:
amen to that
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Hey congrats on your 100th post. You are officially a SENIOR member. Glad I could help!

i believe the g1 will b a wonderful fone but wing is an excellent fone.u guys are jumping to the g1 not knowing wat ur getting into ill wait to get one 2nd hand.just my two cents

POOPIE4279 said:
i believe the g1 will b a wonderful fone but wing is an excellent fone.u guys are jumping to the g1 not knowing wat ur getting into ill wait to get one 2nd hand.just my two cents
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Nah, I'm going to wait and do more research and see what programs, roms, and games become available. I think I'll stick with the wing for now, and just mod and flash roms every other week! lol. But, the G1 is only 179 so thats a huge price drop. Either way, I really can't wait to see what becomes available for the G1.

what would be great would be a g1 wm6 port - with fully functional drivers..... i know everyone is talking about getting android on their phone, but just think for a second how nice it would be to get a nice new extremely fast phone for 170 odd dollars and continue using all the software you are familiar with.... and then as soon as application development and customization become mainsteam for android you could always flash back. i know its too much to wish for because of the lack of drivers, but it would be great for me if it ended up happening

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what would be great would be a g1 wm6 port - with fully functional drivers..... i know everyone is talking about getting android on their phone, but just think for a second how nice it would be to get a nice new extremely fast phone for 170 odd dollars and continue using all the software you are familiar with.... and then as soon as application development and customization become mainsteam for android you could always flash back. i know its too much to wish for because of the lack of drivers, but it would be great for me if it ended up happening
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You know, that would be PERFECT. I'm really not that familiar with the Android o.s., but if they could incorporate it into WM6, then it would be hands down the winner. We could use everything we already use to load applications, etc. Since it's supposed to be open source, maybe somebody will figure out how to do it?!?

G1 vs Wing
This month in PC Magazine (October 2008) Sascha Sagan, the director of new product reviews, said this,"never buy a product in the first few weeks after it comes out. Wait a month. By then... you will be able to tell if something is really worth a buy".
My two cents,
Paul D.

G1 will eventually be better than the wing, just not now. There's alot of holes that need patching up in the os to make it a real competitor to wm. When u compare Android right now to say ttran otp 7.x, Android isn't even in the same league. But give it some time, and maybe Android 2.0, then u'll really start seeing what G1 can do.
Also, this will be a fun phone in regards to xda's developing and hacking community and also to us, the end-user. As people start accessing and examing the innards of Android, who knows what juicy things can be created and imagined. Only issue i see is the stuff they left out, but the os seems to be solid with no real problems experienced. Messaging needs work, with mms being the main problem (can't send gifs or video).

papito2181 said:
G1 will eventually be better than the wing, just not now. There's alot of holes that need patching up in the os to make it a real competitor to wm. When u compare Android right now to say ttran otp 7.x, Android isn't even in the same league. But give it some time, and maybe Android 2.0, then u'll really start seeing what G1 can do.
Also, this will be a fun phone in regards to xda's developing and hacking community and also to us, the end-user. As people start accessing and examing the innards of Android, who knows what juicy things can be created and imagined. Only issue i see is the stuff they left out, but the os seems to be solid with no real problems experienced. Messaging needs work, with mms being the main problem (can't send gifs or video).
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Yeah I agree. Seeing how this phone is really meant to be modified, I can't even imagine the amount of software, roms, mods, etc there will be for this phone. I do think it will take some time, so I believe I will hold off, but I'm pretty excited about it.

dougstoner said:
You know, that would be PERFECT. I'm really not that familiar with the Android o.s., but if they could incorporate it into WM6, then it would be hands down the winner. We could use everything we already use to load applications, etc. Since it's supposed to be open source, maybe somebody will figure out how to do it?!?
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that is exactly what i want. i just want to keep useing windows mobile. it has been around for ever (ce). hopefully someone in the linux community will figure out how to flash it to what ever you want.

I am a G1/Wing owner. I got my G1 2 days ago and i can tell you, i am very happy with the phone so far. I do miss using TTran's OPT and hope they port TouchFlo2D to Android. The Manilla Theme is the best i've seen!
I am also one of those people that would much rather run Linux on my PCs at home, but don't because i am in the IT field so i need to stay current on Windows. Anyhow, I understand people wanting to wait and recommend most do that. I am not usually the type to jump on a product at Version 1 until some updates and public testing has been done. But i am looking forward to Android's growing pains!

I just upgraded to a G1. What I did was, when the G1 presale was announced, I called to say I was going to cancel my service soon and asked what they would offer to keep me. The CS rep asked what I had in mind. I said I wanted the to see if there was a way to get the G1 with 1 a year contract. The CS rep told me not until after the actual launch but she would lower my unlimited family text messaging to $9.99 permanently if I would wait until the launch to decide. I agreed. So today, I called back for the G1. They offered me the G1 for $179 + NO $18 upgrade fee if I agreed to keep my four lines for 1 year. So, that's what I did. I wasn't going to cancel anyway because, it's hard top beat T-Mo's rates, even if the coverage is a little weaker than other carriers in my area. My Wing will likely be up for sale after I evaluate the G1.
Update:
I just canceled my order. I don't want to put $800 on the line to save $300.

Frowntown: Need some phone advice.

I just got out of a two year contract with Verizon Wireless. I decided to not renew due to a lack of anything interesting in their phone offerings at the time.
Not a huge fan of AT&T, so I switched to T-Mobile mostly because I wanted to pick up the Unlimited Talk/Text/Data plan for 60.00 USD a month.
Originally I was gunning for Nokia N900 to complement the T-Mobile plan I picked up. Unfortunately due to the fluctuating price of the phone coupled with the hardware and OS being rough around the edges I have decided against it.
I have never owned/used a smart phone before. However I do consider myself rather literate in general computing and have a passion as a hardware nut.
The full flash/browser on the N900 is hot but in reality the most I would do with my phone is check the news, send email, IM, MMS, and read forums. I also have a hard on for any sort of NES/SNES emulation.
I was thinking of picking up a ADP1 with a class 6 MSD and installing different roms. I don't know how pratical this is though and would like some other opinions. To be honest the phone is dated and with my limited budget ~500.00 USD, I really don't want to waste what little money I have.
Looking around I am just confused. There are so many new android phones/re brands, Mameo 5 looks to be to young, and to be honest although I own a Macbook I'd like to stay away from the iPhone.
I'm looking for phone suggestions as well as any other useful knowledge people would care to share.
I'd really like something with a physical keyboard.
Thanks much in advance for any help.

if you want android and a keyboard, but something that's not outdated, I'd say go with the behold 2 or the cliq

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if you want android and a keyboard, but something that's not outdated, I'd say go with the behold 2 or the cliq
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Had Samsung and Moto phones in the past. Third rate at best IMHO. Not really interested in iPhone knock offs either.
Sorry I do not mean to come off as harsh, I appreciate the help. I always end up throwing my Samsung or Moto phone at the wall.
I really fell in love with the Dream, I'm just afraid dev support is going to drop off once the N1 comes out and I will be f'ed.

In my opinion the dream is still a really good phone even though it's over a year old.
Dev's seem to still be goin forward with it and that's good news
Personally I wouldn't recommend the Cliq, I believe androidandme reported that it is unlikely the Cliq will get a system update, leaving it stuck on 1.5 indefinately
I don't know much about the Behold, but until T-Mobile comes out with another HTC android phone, possibly the "Passion or Legend" sometime in 2010, I'd say the dream is the best they have.

I'd wait till January and see what this Nexus One business is all about.

July 15th

My friend just got out of a sales meeting where they got to play with it.
it is coming July 15th behind a large marketing campaign. No pre-orders, at least not in store.
They will be offering early upgrades like ATT did for the iPhone to get more people to get it.

They're screwing current Droid owners, though. Check out the live blog from engadget... I can't link it because of some silly restriction so you'll have to google it.
You can only upgrade if your upgrade eligibility is up sometime in 2010, which means anybody that bought a Motorola Droid is screwed. I got mine on launch day and I gotta admit I'm pretty PO'ed I can't upgrade.

it will have 2.2 and cost $199

swaj said:
They're screwing current Droid owners, though. Check out the live blog from engadget... I can't link it because of some silly restriction so you'll have to google it.
You can only upgrade if your upgrade eligibility is up sometime in 2010, which means anybody that bought a Motorola Droid is screwed. I got mine on launch day and I gotta admit I'm pretty PO'ed I can't upgrade.
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Screwed? Of course you got screwed. That's how technology works. It screws you over the month after you buy it. Btw, you screwed yourself over for signing a two year contract. By next year, they will have a Droid 3 and the year after that and etc.

swaj said:
They're screwing current Droid owners, though. Check out the live blog from engadget... I can't link it because of some silly restriction so you'll have to google it.
You can only upgrade if your upgrade eligibility is up sometime in 2010, which means anybody that bought a Motorola Droid is screwed. I got mine on launch day and I gotta admit I'm pretty PO'ed I can't upgrade.
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Really? Did Verizon suddenly change the upgrade language of the contract you signed? If you can't think ahead before you sign a long term contract, you have no one to be upset with except yourself. Verizon didn't screw you, your short term "gotta have the best right now" attitude is what screwed you.
No one cares that you have buyers remorse. You ultimately have two choices - wait until you can upgrade at the reduced prices, or go ahead and buy a new phone at full price. You could always sell your existing phone if you choose option #2 to help take the edge off the full retail price.
You can complain about it all you want, but you won't gain any sympathy, and it won't change the choices available to you.

You can upgrade...ETF + sell phone + buy the new one. Yeah, it costs money...so do phones. In 3 months when new snap dragon processors hit the streets people with a droid-x will be complaining. Buy the phone for what it is, and don't get pissed that there is better things out there. Or, if it is a big deal, pay up. Verizon doesn't get these things for free you know.

Wow, couple of Verizon employees here maybe?....poor guy.

microdot said:
Wow, couple of Verizon employees here maybe?....poor guy.
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Naw, its just a forum.. **** happens. However I will be getting this phone on the 16th It will be a nice upgrade from my Samsung Omnia i910.
I need to learn Android quick tho, I've been cooking WinMo roms for over a year and don't even know a thing about android yet -.-

aah...the omnia...i had the omnia, awesome phone but i couldnt stand the txting on the relatively small screen and upgraded to the touch pro 2. i know i loose the keyboard again by getting the droid x but the screen is so much bigger and andriod has really mastered the speech to txt technology, i figure i might not do that much typing then

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aah...the omnia...i had the omnia, awesome phone but i couldnt stand the txting on the relatively small screen and upgraded to the touch pro 2. i know i loose the keyboard again by getting the droid x but the screen is so much bigger and andriod has really mastered the speech to txt technology, i figure i might not do that much typing then
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Speech to Text??? thats awesome

microdot said:
Wow, couple of Verizon employees here maybe?....poor guy.
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LOL ther must not be any verizon employees here because if you came in crying to me at my store i would just get you to add a line to your account then you get it for 199.99 after rebates plus $240 over the next year isnt it great to buy a phone at full retail and pay installments look at the bright side tho when that snapdragon 3 comes out you will have an upgrade on your other line GO VZW lol

microdot said:
aah...the omnia...i had the omnia, awesome phone but i couldnt stand the txting on the relatively small screen and upgraded to the touch pro 2. i know i loose the keyboard again by getting the droid x but the screen is so much bigger and andriod has really mastered the speech to txt technology, i figure i might not do that much typing then
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anyone that thinks the omnia was a good phone must wear a helmet. that phone had a sorry excuse for a touch screen and o yeah ITS WINMO AHHHHHHHHHH LAG i dont think you should have to reformat your phone as many times as a windows M.E. machine
ill give you the benifit of the the doubt tho it was either go with winmo rim or tmobile

grndnpnd said:
anyone that thinks the omnia was a good phone must wear a helmet. that phone had a sorry excuse for a touch screen and o yeah ITS WINMO AHHHHHHHHHH LAG i dont think you should have to reformat your phone as many times as a windows M.E. machine
ill give you the benifit of the the doubt tho it was either go with winmo rim or tmobile
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Good phone at the time!!!!! and mostly cause of hardware for example one of the 1st phones to come out with 5 megapixel camera, 8G harddrive and stuff. Of course its sucks compaired to phones now but think of what was out at the time it released. Ooooh the BB storm one. And of course wm sucks...hence i am getting droid x and going to android.

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Naw, its just a forum.. **** happens. However I will be getting this phone on the 16th It will be a nice upgrade from my Samsung Omnia i910.
I need to learn Android quick tho, I've been cooking WinMo roms for over a year and don't even know a thing about android yet -.-
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I am upgrading from the omnia too. This will be a much needed upgrade.

I'll be upgrading from the Omnia i910 as well... which ever store is open first on July 15th, either Verizon or cash in my Best Buy Pre-order. I've been cooking on the Omnia for about a year now and can't wait till the 15th. I'm a huge Linux nut and fairly fluent in Java... The future is bright for Android my friends. Let's just keep our figure's crossed that the bootloader isn't locked!

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Let's just keep our figure's crossed that the bootloader isn't locked!
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Uhm....yeah about that. I see a couple of posters here that want to start makin roms once they get this.
Not sure it will be happening soon...
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...x-bootloader-locked-custom-roms-unlikely.html
Another post I found off that forum said something about an efuse chip...and if that chip don't like what it is reading...it goes blewie. Yep...chip will supposedly trip and phone is bricked.
Ah wait...here it is:
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-locked-down-let-me-tell-you-what-i-know.html

haha. bump for the omnia i910! i am upgrading from this phone as well.
it served me well for two years though...

HTC HD2 Android Exchange?

Hey guys-
Please bare with me here . I recently purchased an almost brand new T-mobile HTC HD2 from a person on Craiglist for 300 bucks. Well it turned out that the phone the person sold me was defective, i.e. a hardware malfunction of somekind , and because T-mobile thought I had bought it through them online, they said it was covered under the "Buyer's Remorse" period. So because of this I sent the one I had originally bought back to T-Mobile for a replacement, and they are sending me a brand new one in the box with all the accesories, factory sealed. But, since I had a chance to play around with winmo 6.5, and HTC Sense, I hate them both. So my question is, because I'm getting a brand new HTC HD2, should I return this one in exchange for a refund and buy something like a nexus one? Or should I stick with this phone? Or...should I exchange the HD2 for something else on T-mobile's network? Any advice would be appreciated. Btw, I payed 300 for the original hd2 I bought, but T-Mo is sending me one worth $450, so it's like there paying me 150 bucks, and they didn't even ask for a proof of purchase, lmao. Kinda cool that's all.
-regards, Bobofosho123

I had the HTC HD and ended up not liking it at all, I really wanted to but just hated everything about it in the end with the exception of the camara. I ended up trading my HD with someone on CL for a T-Mobile 3G Slide and I LOVE it! Im originally coming from an iPhone which I loved but got tired of Crapple and not having 3G speed and this slide is turning out to be even better than my iPhone. It sells for almost the same price as the HD. Just thought i would tell you that and maybe you can send your HD back (if you dont like it) and see if they will give you a slide.

Yeah, thanks for the response. And to he honest, to go from a high-end phone like the HD2 down to a mid-range phone like the slide seems like a ripoff to me. If it's possible, I may return the HD2 to T-Mobile and ask for a check or cash back, if that's possible, and just buy a Nexus One or an ipad (maybe).

get the tmobile samsung vibrant due out july 21. 1ghz cpu, 4" super amoled screen. android phone

ryan562 said:
get the tmobile samsung vibrant due out july 21. 1ghz cpu, 4" super amoled screen. android phone
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i would say check out the android port for the HD2, but it isnt anywhere near completion and who knows how long it could be.

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i would say check out the android port for the HD2, but it isnt anywhere near completion and who knows how long it could be.
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The android port will probably never work like an android phone... it probably won't be good enough to use full-time instead of winmo for at least a year... so if you want android, get an android phone.

The guys here at xda are doing a fabulous job porting Android to the HD2. I've been reading their progress stream and a year to complete is ridiculous. These guys are making leaps and bounds. Recently they put Ubuntu Linux "successfully" on the HD2. No phone functions but what a triumph! Not going to be long for the full port. I'll keep my HD2 just in anticipation of their success. Thanks again developers for all your long hours and hard work. It's much appreciated.
and by the way, Microsoft is losing the battle against Android and will continue doing so. Microsoft's business plan is skewed. Get the product out by the deadline...even if it isn't finished. (Windows 95, 98, 98Se, ME, NT, 2000, XP, Vista...)The mobile 6.5 is the SSDD. It is PLAGUED with problems. I should know, I have one. Sorry for the soapbox everyone.

Hey, I agree, the progress on porting android to the hd2 has been, and this isn't an exaggeration, but I don't feel like waiting an entire year for a fully-working and bug-free android port. I think the smartest decision would be to go with the Samsung Vibrant, which has a screen that's almost as big as the HD2's and has android, and is for T-Mobile out of the box. So wouldn't that be the smartest decision? I do want an answer to that question by the way

The things is the HD2 just seems sleeker and more refined to me personally, sure the Vibrant may have the Android OS but I'll wait to get Android on my HD2.
Just my 2 cents.

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Hey, I agree, the progress on porting android to the hd2 has been, and this isn't an exaggeration, but I don't feel like waiting an entire year for a fully-working and bug-free android port. I think the smartest decision would be to go with the Samsung Vibrant, which has a screen that's almost as big as the HD2's and has android, and is for T-Mobile out of the box. So wouldn't that be the smartest decision? I do want an answer to that question by the way
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the samsung vibrant looks to be a good phone. if you've been reading some of the reviews on it you will find out that it has a better/dedicated GPU for gaming and graphics then our own hd2, nexus one, droid, iphone 3gs. its hummingbird processor is also considered to run faster/smoother than our own 1ghz snapdragon processor as well. on top of that, it's super amoled screen rivals that of the iphone 4 and performs better in sunlight then typical amoleds and offers better battery life.
you make the call. i may purchase the vibrant out of contract while keeping my hd2. good to have the best of both worlds for me. i also forgot to mention that you also have to worry about gingerbread and froyo updates via OTA from t-mobile. much easier to get them on an android-ready phone like the vibrant. samsung is going to release this phone on all major carriers so updates are on the horizon. (this is for those who think that samsung won't push for updates as they haven't had in the past)

bobofosho123 said:
If it's possible, I may return the HD2 to T-Mobile and ask for a check or cash back, if that's possible, and just buy a Nexus One or an ipad (maybe).
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This sounds like a really bad idea. Ever hear the phrase, "Take the money and run" Take the HD2 and sell it on ebay, then go buy what ever you want. If you have no receipt and your not listed as the owner on the account you may get screwed. What if this guy got the phone on a payment plan? What if he got the contract deal and they won't issue the refund and won't send you your phone once they discover the error. Just think about it a bit and count your blessings because this whole thing could of gone a whole other direction.

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The guys here at xda are doing a fabulous job porting Android to the HD2. I've been reading their progress stream and a year to complete is ridiculous. These guys are making leaps and bounds. Recently they put Ubuntu Linux "successfully" on the HD2. No phone functions but what a triumph! Not going to be long for the full port. I'll keep my HD2 just in anticipation of their success. Thanks again developers for all your long hours and hard work. It's much appreciated.
and by the way, Microsoft is losing the battle against Android and will continue doing so. Microsoft's business plan is skewed. Get the product out by the deadline...even if it isn't finished. (Windows 95, 98, 98Se, ME, NT, 2000, XP, Vista...)The mobile 6.5 is the SSDD. It is PLAGUED with problems. I should know, I have one. Sorry for the soapbox everyone.
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Yes, they are making great progress... but there will probably never be a full "completed" port.... it will probably never run like an android phone. It's ridiculous to think it will. Have you used any of the other android ports for winmo phones? Some have been developed for years... and development went just as quick for some of them... and they are still a long way from being complete or "fully" functional. It will be awesome to have winmo, which I consider the best and most customizable mobile os, on my hd2 most of the time and be able to boot into android to use specific apps or play around with when I want. It will be somewhat functional in the next couple months (probably missing camera, and a few other things, and will probably be a battery drain... but usable)... but it will not be as functional as an android phone and probably not functional enough to want to use full-time on the hd2 instead of winmo for probably a year or so. Like I said... do some research... look at the development history of the other ports.
I also disagree about what you say about winmo... I've used it since 2003. I've also used android for a couple years.... Winmo is just as stable, and much more customizable and functional than android is at this point. I admit.. its not as user friendly... and it takes time and knowledge to set it up to use it's functionality. Android is quickly catching up as it's constantly being developed, and android was designed from the beginning to be a phone os. WinMo was designed to be a stand alone pocket pc os, and phone functionality has been added since the convergence of pocket pcs and phones... so the phone functions of it can be a little awkward or not implemented efficiently. But if you're looking for pc functionality, winmo blows android out of the water.
Don't get me wrong... I love android too... and can't wait for the hd2 port to be developed more... but be realistic with your expectations. There's plenty of past times this has been done to know what to expect with it if you do some reading. Android on the HD2 will be great... that's another great thing about winmo phones... they usually get android ported at some point. But if you want to use android full-time, its best to get an android phone. If you can't stand winmo, don't keep the HD2 expecting a perfect android port that runs like an android phone.

ryan562 said:
the samsung vibrant looks to be a good phone. if you've been reading some of the reviews on it you will find out that it has a better/dedicated GPU for gaming and graphics then our own hd2, nexus one, droid, iphone 3gs. its hummingbird processor is also considered to run faster/smoother than our own 1ghz snapdragon processor as well. on top of that, it's super amoled screen rivals that of the iphone 4 and performs better in sunlight then typical amoleds and offers better battery life.
you make the call. i may purchase the vibrant out of contract while keeping my hd2. good to have the best of both worlds for me. i also forgot to mention that you also have to worry about gingerbread and froyo updates via OTA from t-mobile. much easier to get them on an android-ready phone like the vibrant. samsung is going to release this phone on all major carriers so updates are on the horizon. (this is for those who think that samsung won't push for updates as they haven't had in the past)
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Yeah man, I'm watching some reviews on the vibrant now and it definitely looks like the phone for me, and I can deal with .3 inches less screen size, as compared to the HD2. Not to mention, the vibrant seems to have a better screen than the HD2 anyway. And to think I only paid 300 bucks for my HD2 on Craigslist originally, lmao!!!! I'm certainly going to get one hell of a trade here, woot woot !!!!

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Hey, I agree, the progress on porting android to the hd2 has been, and this isn't an exaggeration, but I don't feel like waiting an entire year for a fully-working and bug-free android port. I think the smartest decision would be to go with the Samsung Vibrant, which has a screen that's almost as big as the HD2's and has android, and is for T-Mobile out of the box. So wouldn't that be the smartest decision? I do want an answer to that question by the way
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You got to remember, when i first saw it on tmobile website, the Vibrant was in the list and it was sold for $350 bucks. And that was like 4 or 5 in the morning. I got really stoked because i thought tmobile watned to surprise anyone by releasing galaxy s. But turned out, it think it was their mistake for putting up the price tag. Anyway, my point is, no matter how good Vibrant could be, the hardware quality does not come any near my HD2. No matter how some people hate this device, they must admit it is the highest quality device out there. Vibrant has plastic back, no flash and 4in screen is a joke compared to 4.3 And heard it was light which doesn't feel expensive. Anyway, i'm waiting for even bigger one HD3. I know it is a rumor, but HD2 was a ridiculous rumor, but hey, i'm holding one right now.

Is a smartphone really a good idea?

More to the point is a smartphone with poor support a good investment? This debacle with Samsung and Sprint has led me to an inescapable conclusion. I think it's better to get a cheapie phone and spend my money on a netbook or tablet that has a standard computer OS that is supported with updates. Sprint and Samsung along with all the other carriers and manufacturers are in the business of telecommunications. When my contract with the Epic is done I'm going back to a simple phone.

im just not interested in hauling a tab or a net/notebook around. plus always looking for wifi, or having to pay for hotspot just to power it? no thanks.

I like to know what are the ages of some of these Epic owners? All the crying about updates and Samsung this Samsung that. And when does a phone became a investment? A 401k is a good investment, stocks and bonds are investments. A phone is just that a phone, not a investment. Please enlighten me, once you get that good old 2.2 from Samsung. What are you going to do with you phone then that you haven't done yet?

I think it's a good idea, just know what features you need and what phone (or device) you need to meet your requirements and then enjoy your purchase. The "debacle" with Sprint and Samsung is barely noticeable if your epic works the way it was meant to when you bought it.
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Top Nurse said:
More to the point is a smartphone with poor support a good investment? This debacle with Samsung and Sprint has led me to an inescapable conclusion. I think it's better to get a cheapie phone and spend my money on a netbook or tablet that has a standard computer OS that is supported with updates. Sprint and Samsung along with all the other carriers and manufacturers are in the business of telecommunications. When my contract with the Epic is done I'm going back to a simple phone.
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Ewww: boring old phone, no fun games
austin420 said:
im just not interested in hauling a tab or a net/notebook around. plus always looking for wifi, or having to pay for hotspot just to power it? no thanks.
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indeed, the purpose of my smartphone is so i can carry a nice light thing around instead of my computer, i must say, i use my computer, far less now.. and when i do use my computer and im not near wifi, bam phone is my internet for laptop..
shook187 said:
I like to know what are the ages of some of these Epic owners? All the crying about updates and Samsung this Samsung that. And when does a phone became a investment? A 401k is a good investment, stocks and bonds are investments. A phone is just that a phone, not a investment. Please enlighten me, once you get that good old 2.2 from Samsung. What are you going to do with you phone then that you haven't done yet?
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im 23 and not whining about the froyo update, i just get angry and not whine in threads like most people, that they are giving all these clues about releases for the update and pomised us froyo b4 the end of 2010, and its still not here 2 months into 2011, but no whining as im enjoying bonsai rom and its great!!

To be honest webOS is looking VERY good to me, being able to have it on my computer, printer, phone, tablet... ill be able to answer texts from all of my devices with synergy, take calls from my tab then transfer to my phone... wow. Not to mention HP is going to be pushing the platform like mad since it has some catching up to do.
Not to mention homebrew apps are awesome!

Once you have a smartphone its hard to go back :/..its like a drug..your never cured...
thsisinsanity said:
To be honest webOS is looking VERY good to me, being able to have it on my computer, printer, phone, tablet... ill be able to answer texts from all of my devices with synergy, take calls from my tab then transfer to my phone... wow. Not to mention HP is going to be pushing the platform like mad since it has some catching up to do.
Not to mention homebrew apps are awesome!
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That would be nice if HP can actually make a laptop that doesn't fail 1 month after warranty..bought a laptop for a friend and they liked it, so I bought one too a month later..both of them fried 1-2 month after warranty ran out...

shook187 said:
I like to know what are the ages of some of these Epic owners? All the crying about updates and Samsung this Samsung that. And when does a phone became a investment? A 401k is a good investment, stocks and bonds are investments. A phone is just that a phone, not a investment. Please enlighten me, once you get that good old 2.2 from Samsung. What are you going to do with you phone then that you haven't done yet?
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I'm 57 and have been using computers since I was about 13. I would like to know your age as well because a smartphone is an investment if you use it to conduct your personal or company business.

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a smartphone is an investment if you use it to conduct your personal or company business.
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This.
Software Developer + Android = Potential Cash cow....just need to find that thing people are always looking for...whats it called again...no not foryo...oh yeah. TIME

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When my contract with the Epic is done I'm going back to a simple phone.
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Don't let a bad experience with one particular company drive you back to a primitive 'dumb' phone! Trust me, I share your frustration; however, I believe you would be even more frustrated going back to a simple phone now that you have grown accustomed to the features of smart phone.

Wow. Unneccessarily condescending and poorly thought out post. The age of the device owner is irrelevant. When a company heavily implies and that company's sales force outright states that a particular feature(s), upgrade(s), or service(s) is imminent, then miserably fail to deliver; the owners who paid their hard earned money for the device have every right to say whatever they want. Especially when the device cost a full 20% more than every other comparable device on the market. To suggest that a phone, and I use that term loosely, is not an investment, is short-sighted at best and inflammatory at worst.
shook187 said:
I like to know what are the ages of some of these Epic owners? All the crying about updates and Samsung this Samsung that. And when does a phone became a investment? A 401k is a good investment, stocks and bonds are investments. A phone is just that a phone, not a investment. Please enlighten me, once you get that good old 2.2 from Samsung. What are you going to do with you phone then that you haven't done yet?
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I'm 57 and have been using computers since I was about 13. I would like to know your age as well because a smartphone is an investment if you use it to conduct your personal or company business.
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+1 to that. I'm 34, been a PC user since I was 7; and use my smartphone for everything as a Professional Driver, from Navigation to E-mailing photos of damaged freight to my dispatcher to looking up business information to our shippers and consignees. Saves my office & me time, without the need to carry several different devices and books to clutter up in my truck.
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I used to have the htc mogul when it first came out and I broke the charging port about a year after I got it and didn't have the insurance. I loved that phone but couldn't afford to replace it full price since I didn't get a rebate. I got a dumb phone full price which was cheap cause I got a deal on it and I must say it was the most miserable year of my life I yerned for my smartphone back. Bad idea stick with a smartphone you will hate. The dumb phone trust me someone with experience.
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shook187 said:
I like to know what are the ages of some of these Epic owners? All the crying about updates and Samsung this Samsung that. And when does a phone became a investment? A 401k is a good investment, stocks and bonds are investments. A phone is just that a phone, not a investment. Please enlighten me, once you get that good old 2.2 from Samsung. What are you going to do with you phone then that you haven't done yet?
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Er, many 401k's were destroyed with this recession.
A smartphone can boost productivity and work income-side while staying connected with family and friends personal-side.
How old are you.

gTen said:
Once you have a smartphone its hard to go back :/..its like a drug..your never cured...
That would be nice if HP can actually make a laptop that doesn't fail 1 month after warranty..bought a laptop for a friend and they liked it, so I bought one too a month later..both of them fried 1-2 month after warranty ran out...
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2 of my HP laptops are over 6 years old, still going strong (one harddrive broke after a few years, but replaced for $20 and its great). just bought a new hp a little under 8 months ago and it runs great as well.
Maybe you got a bad batch? I personally love HP.
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2 of my HP laptops are over 6 years old, still going strong (one harddrive broke after a few years, but replaced for $20 and its great). just bought a new hp a little under 8 months ago and it runs great as well.
Maybe you got a bad batch? I personally love HP.
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Well overall I think quality of HP went way down ever since compaq merger...
The order was at different times..I know the reason why it broke after reading online...it had to do with the faulty Nvidia chipsets..and some manufacturers did tweaks to make their laptops work at least until warranty..I know HP was not the only one who did this as Dell for example I think did too..
Right now my buying policy is to buy Asus for my gaming laptops as they are the best quality..and Dell for my work laptops..Dell is junk too but I can get an inhome warranty for 2 years from dell on a deal...I work from RDP so dont care if my laptop dies as long as its replaced fast..

Top Nurse said:
More to the point is a smartphone with poor support a good investment? This debacle with Samsung and Sprint has led me to an inescapable conclusion. I think it's better to get a cheapie phone and spend my money on a netbook or tablet that has a standard computer OS that is supported with updates. Sprint and Samsung along with all the other carriers and manufacturers are in the business of telecommunications. When my contract with the Epic is done I'm going back to a simple phone.
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You don't have to wait - just try it in an experiment. Get a cheapie dumbphone (returnable) from Sprint, transfer your service, get an iPad/GalaxyTab/netbook and try it going with this combination. Not wanting to jump to preliminary conclusions, my feeling is that you will pine for the Froyo-less Epic very soon after starting the said experiment

Ok I have a few comments here...
1.) It's not like Samsung isn't supporting their device... if you're having serious functionality issues you can talk to Sprint about it and it's a supported phone.
2.) The 2.2 update has faced 101 delays but this isn't as big of a deal as most enthusiasts make it. If I asked some of the guys at work if they loaded up 2.3 on their Evo's or 2.2 or etc.. they would say "What's that?" ... when it comes out and installs OTA... they won't notice other then the phone reboots... maaaybe notice a feature here or there depending on the update.
3.) Even with 2.1 the phone works wonderfully. Yes there are bugs but thats every phone, dumb or smart, that you will buy. Most people don't buy a phone thinking I wonder when this will get Froyo... they just want a phone.. and if they are a business user they just want a smartphone with exchange support that works reliably. Samsung delivered on that for the most part.
You're still buying a top-notch phone that will serve you well.

Smartphones aren't for everyone.

I'm 15. Did dk28 and I'm all fine...
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