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I have been a loyal T-mobile customer since 2003, so when I had to move to Iowa, I tried really hard to live with the local roaming partner and my G1. After many problems with my service and signal strength at home, I decided to move on. I want to give T-mobile credit here, because I had 15 months left on my contract and they waived the ETF. Thanks to them and here is a rare story for everyone of some good customer service reguarding ETFs. I travel out of the country a few times a year, so I wanted a GSM phone that I could take with me. In my area, that really only left me with the roaming partner I had been frustrated with, (Iowa Wireless) and AT&T. Timing was just right, so I went ahead and bought 2 3GS iPhones for my wife and I. I did get my G1's unlocked and they are for sell if anyone's interested, (one rooted, one stock, both black, one has a small ding from a drop, the other's perfect, make an offer) but I've always wanted to try an iPhone out for myself and this just worked out well for us. I love Android, the open-ness of it, the customization possible and the general ability to tinker and hack it is very appealing to me. That being said, the 3GS is a great phone. The video recording is the best on any phone I've ever used or seen firsthand. I'm sure some of the unlocked HTC or Nokia phones that cost 400, 500 or 800 bucks can match or beat it. But for a subsidized US carried phone I am impressed. Also, the anti-fingerpring oleophobic (probably spelled that wrong) coating is amazing. A friend stopped by with a 3G iPhone and the difference was amazing. Also the speed difference is very very noticable. People here bash some ROM's for being too slow or not "snappy" enough compared to others. The difference between a 3G and te 3GS is way more than any difference I experienced with the roms I tried on my G1. I know this is a HTC dream forum, but as a big Android fan, I wanted to share my experience with the switch. Now after the HTC Hero comes out, among many other different versions of Android phones, I'd place my bets on them. For now, however, the new iPhone is hard to beat in my opinion.
Also, I have not posted very many times as I rarely have any useful input that hasn't already been shared, but I have used this forum so much for the last year. Thanks to everyone who contributes here. Without XDA the G1 and Android wouldn't be near the phone and platform they are.
ive got a g1 and a iphone 2g. i like both of them a lot but even the iphone 2g is a better and faster phone than tha g1
The reason I liked my G1 is totally different than why I like my iphone. Honestly, my G1 was almost a hobby by itself. This started when I got my old Nokia 5300 and started tinkering with it. Then I got a T-mobile Shadow / HTC Juno. Windows Mobile is kind of a pain in the ass, but there's no questioning all the capabilities you can get on your phone if you're patient enough. With Android it was all about what can my phone do next? With the iphone its, damn, this phone actually made my day easier and more enjoyable. So far I use my iphone's capabilites more than I did the G1.
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The reason I liked my G1 is totally different than why I like my iphone. Honestly, my G1 was almost a hobby by itself. This started when I got my old Nokia 5300 and started tinkering with it. Then I got a T-mobile Shadow / HTC Juno. Windows Mobile is kind of a pain in the ass, but there's no questioning all the capabilities you can get on your phone if you're patient enough. With Android it was all about what can my phone do next? With the iphone its, damn, this phone actually made my day easier and more enjoyable. So far I use my iphone's capabilites more than I did the G1.
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I guess in this sense its arguable that the iPhone's reliability factor beats the G1. However, I think if we all dropped the custom ROMs and Apps2SD we might be able to gain that reliability factor the iPhone has through the stock ROMs. I don't see many people flashing custom ROMs onto iPhones now ;D
True, we are all blazing ahead with custom G1 roms that aren't as clean or ultimately reliable as the OEM's (although once again the custom roms are a huge part of why I think we all love android). I never really had a problem with reliability on my G1. I kept a copy of a ROM I knew worked well at all times on my sd card and only had to use it once when apps2sd went a little haywire one day. I just don't feel the need to modify the iphone as much as I did with the G1. The one thing I wasn't looking foward to was giving up the G1's actual keyboard. This has proven to be easier than I thought it would be. I can type pretty fast on the iphone. Not as quick or error free as my G1, but it's getting easier and hasn't been the stubling block I thouth it would be. I am a huge google user though and I miss the close connectivity the G1 had more than anything so far.
Seriously? This discussion AGAIN?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=527614
The big thing is that the G1 LETS us modify it, the iPhone... does not.
g1 has potential to be great but is hindered by internal specifications by the devices in which their released with. as soon as there is a phone with the same internal specs as the iphone whatever generation it may be then we will see android pure potential.
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g1 has potential to be great but is hindered by internal specifications by the devices in which their released with. as soon as there is a phone with the same internal specs as the iphone whatever generation it may be then we will see android pure potential.
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i think thats called the HTC Hero
never had the I phone, but i had many clones and many touch phones in the last 2 years and have many friends with the i phone 3g 3gs and there sorry as in the look and fell they are a nice device. as in speed pssst. my G1 smoked any i phone on 3g with stocked webkit and there browser and on wifi they where still lodading java pics and i was all ready browsing face book. and now with the rooting vs pawing or what ever it is that u do to unlock the i phone remember the first unlocked i phone had to be cracked open and rewired. the first g1 was a change in a bash file directory lol. The i phone is the jessus phone dont get me wrong but the g1 and android are the gods that every person prays to when there phone is stolen broken or lost.
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i think thats called the HTC Hero
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Not really, the htc hero is identical to the dream except for double the flash/ram and it doesn't have a keyboard. Junk in my opinion.
The Sony X2 looks interesting though, assuming that it'll be possible to root/customize it and ditch their goofy UI.
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Not really, the htc hero is identical to the dream except for double the flash/ram and it doesn't have a keyboard. Junk in my opinion.
The Sony X2 looks interesting though, assuming that it'll be possible to root/customize it and ditch their goofy UI.
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one word...."Rachel"
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one word...."Rachel"
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Yeah, except no hard keyboard, no call buttons, and no trackball/d-pad. Its like one step forward, three steps back.
Honestly I'm not sure exactly what is causing me to write this thread, but I thought that I would share my experiences over the last 6 months while switching back and forth between devices. Hopefully someone will read this and feel like they have seen a very honest opinion about the epic David vs. Goliath battle of smartphones.
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My first "real" smartphone was a T-Mobile G1. I thought that it was a great phone out of the box, but then I caught the bug after visiting xda-developers and got into rooting and running different ROMs on an almost daily basis. A few months after this started, the whole debacle with Haykuro went down and then it felt like there was a very large shift in the way information was distributed. I didn't really like the way things had been going, so I hopped on board the first opportunity that I could to get out of my G1.
In June, I was offered the ability to combine my personal cell phone service into my company's plan where they would cover the cost since I have to use my phone for business purposes. This gave me a good reason to jump away from T-Mobile, as well as have my phone plan taken care of for me. Since they were on AT&T, I thought that I would give an iPhone a swing.
I will say that I adored my iPhone. Maybe a bit too much even. I felt more concerned about keeping it in immaculate condition than feeling like I could use it on a regular basis. The moment it came out of the box, a screen protector went on, as well as a case. I realized then, that my iPhone wasn't really an iPhone anymore. At least not in that sleek sexy way that they show them in the commercials. Undaunted, I dove into modding my iPhone after jailbreaking it, working on themes, playing with non-sanctioned apps and just about everything else you can do with an iPhone. It was at this moment that I realized that the iPhone was less of a well rounded business phone, but instead (for me personally) more of a portable gaming system that allowed me to use my email, text and make some phone calls.
Recently I decided that the iPhone community was frustrating me to no end. The zealots that preached "Mac is king" made me grow irritated to visit the forums that I had once posted all of my themes and tweaks. I realized that the community wasn't one that I was overtly welcomed to, no matter how polite or elegantly I made my points. Maybe I'd just forgotten to sip the kool-aid, but I realized I wasn't in love with my phone, and I wasn't as taken in by everything that these people thought it could do, or so kind as to overlook the iPhone's many glaring faults. I decided to trade my iPhone for an HTC Hero and some extra dough.
I got my Hero in the mail yesterday, and unfortunately the experience wasn't the greatest out of the box. I'd lost my touch with the Android devices, so it took me some time to get ADB up and running again on my work laptop and make sure that the drivers were all hunky-dory. I loaded the Modaco ROM and everything seems to have worked well so far. Looking through the apps available, I realized how pampered I was with my iPhone. There literally were apps for just about everything, as well as some that I absolutely didn't need. Seriously, who needs 25 different fart soundboard apps? I think the thing I'm a little let down with the most was the lack of decent games, even after almost 6 months away from the OS. I'm very pleased that UniWar has made it to the system, and in fact, was the final nail in the coffin of owning an iPhone.
Gaming aside, I'm hoping that I fall back in love with the Android OS. It's so much prettier than the iPhone counterpart. Even better is that I can tether over wifi and connect my iPod Touch and play the games that I'd lost with my iPhone. Sure I have two devices in my bag now, but I feel like I have a better phone, as well as a separate gaming device.
In the end, I think I'm happy so far, but only time will tell if this is just the bliss of a honeymoon that will fade to frustration. Knowing I can't have 3G speeds was a hard pill to swallow, and one that I didn't do the research beforehand. I learned my lesson, but still adore the little Hero sitting alongside me on my desk.
I think there will always be a soft spot in my heart for the iPhone, but I think I came to the party a little too late. With Apple tightening their grasp on owners of the 3GS with every patch, I have little doubt that Steve Jobs will eventually have his way, and the community of 2 million or more users who enjoy their jailbroken devices will move to another platform, possibly the Android. We can only hope that some of the fantastic developers eventually make their way to this side of the fence.
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Knowing I can't have 3G speeds was a hard pill to swallow, and one that I didn't do the research beforehand.
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Maybe it is my ignorance, but why can you not have 3G speeds on the Hero? Sprint's network is 3g.
Thank you much for the writeup. the HTC Vogue was my first smartphone (WinMo) and while I enjoy the incredible ability I have to customize my phone, the operating system behind it all is still WinMo, and that means it's still fairly buggy. In the end I've begun to realize that as I "personalize" the phone for myself with programs and custom Roms, I'm doing this to make up for WinMo shortcomings, which is something I'm not sure I should have to do to get an enjoyable user experience.
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Maybe it is my ignorance, but why can you not have 3G speeds on the Hero? Sprint's network is 3g.
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My apologies. I should have been clearer that I am still on the AT&T network. I purchased an overseas GSM version of the HTC Hero.
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A few months after this started, the whole debacle with Haykuro went down and then it felt like there was a very large shift in the way information was distributed.
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Sorry to be a complete noob, but what is the Haykuro debacle?
Not that many of you will care seeing that my greatest contribution was the occasional answered question and quip with a slimmer of humor and once or two of Jameson.
I am getting my Nexus One on Tuesday, and will be parting ways with my beloved G1. Hope to see many of you on the other side sooner rather than later. I figured for once I would be on the front end instead of tail end of a technological advancement, and luckily I had the money too(thank you December commission check!).
This is me hating you. I looked forward to some of your posts
I will still stop by on a regular basis. Lots of good stuff and knowledge over here! Plus, what little I can do is help answer questions, and it would get kinda old answering the same n00b questions over and over again for the nexus... how do I root? What does root do? Did I brick? What does my phone not boot past the Hero logo, and just keeps repeating the HTC-->Hero thingy over and over, am I bricked yet or should I try flashing the Hero's SPL and then the Radio from the Droid first?
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I will still stop by on a regular basis. Lots of good stuff and knowledge over here! Plus, what little I can do is help answer questions, and it would get kinda old answering the same n00b questions over and over again for the nexus... how do I root? What does root do? Did I brick? What does my phone not boot past the Hero logo, and just keeps repeating the HTC-->Hero thingy over and over, am I bricked yet or should I try flashing the Hero's SPL and then the Radio from the Droid first?
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In this case just say yes and then walk away. Some chaos is always good
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Shipped 1 Nexus One phone $529.00
FedEx #4368200xxxxx 1 Shipping - FedEx overnight $0.00
Tax (IA) : $37.03
Total: $566.03
Mwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Says it is scheduled for delivery by 3PM tomorrow!
I got the dream because I would throw a non keyboard device out the window after my vogue. I loved my vogue, but having a keyboard on the dream's really put things into perspective.
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Shipped 1 Nexus One phone $529.00
FedEx #4368200xxxxx 1 Shipping - FedEx overnight $0.00
Tax (IA) : $37.03
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Mwuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Says it is scheduled for delivery by 3PM tomorrow!
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GO! RUN TO YOUR CHILDISH OBSCENE TOYS! BUT DO NOT COME BACK, AND DON'T DARE DREAM... OF THE HTC DREAM!
MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOUR FACE!
Can I have ur Nexus 1?
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I got the dream because I would throw a non keyboard device out the window after my vogue. I loved my vogue, but having a keyboard on the dream's really put things into perspective.
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I am a hardware KB freak myself, but I got to test a N1 for 24 hours and found that I would be able to live. The onscreen is really, really good, and it has the speak to text stuff where all I gotta do is talk and it does the typing, and it does it extremely well!
I have loved my G1 the entire time I have had it! My lady might actually be taking it from me, as long as I flash back to dwang for her(currently running a 2.1 ROM to get ready!).
G1BRICKED said:
GO! RUN TO YOUR CHILDISH OBSCENE TOYS! BUT DO NOT COME BACK, AND DON'T DARE DREAM... OF THE HTC DREAM!
MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOUR FACE!
Can I have ur Nexus 1?
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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, NO!
Don't worry, I will tell you this much... up until the N1, the G1 was the best smart phone I had ever used, from BB 8900, 9700, to HTC Kaiser, Touch Pro, even the Touch Pro 2 did not live up to the G1, IMHO.
I sell cell phones for a living, and like to have a phone that I can use to not just enjoy using myself, but I can tell a customer to go get and they will find equal joy out of it. I used to carry a WM device for myself, then have to explain to everyone why I was selling them a BB... now I have my Android, my carrier has Android, and all is good! I will say, a BB does beat Android for those most hardcore business users that only do email, phone calls, and calendar... but anyone that wants a phone to do multiple solutions, heck move surf the web up the list from where it is with a hardcore business user, and there is no touching Android.
Android, as an OS, is IMHO the top smart phone OS hands down! And don't forget the G1 has damn good hardware... 528mhz CPU is still the gold standard. Sure, not as much RAM as we would all like, but it has a physical KB that is top notch!(one of the best I have ever tried). It has a good camera. It has a capacitive touch screen. Nice looks, IMO. Good battery life(subject to personal use, but just shy of a BB, and way better than any WM device).
Just wait, I am willing to bet money 2.X makes its way to the G1 officially.
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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, NO!
Don't worry, I will tell you this much... up until the N1, the G1 was the best smart phone I had ever used, from BB 8900, 9700, to HTC Kaiser, Touch Pro, even the Touch Pro 2 did not live up to the G1, IMHO.
I sell cell phones for a living, and like to have a phone that I can use to not just enjoy using myself, but I can tell a customer to go get and they will find equal joy out of it. I used to carry a WM device for myself, then have to explain to everyone why I was selling them a BB... now I have my Android, my carrier has Android, and all is good! I will say, a BB does beat Android for those most hardcore business users that only do email, phone calls, and calendar... but anyone that wants a phone to do multiple solutions, heck move surf the web up the list from where it is with a hardcore business user, and there is no touching Android.
Android, as an OS, is IMHO the top smart phone OS hands down! And don't forget the G1 has damn good hardware... 528mhz CPU is still the gold standard. Sure, not as much RAM as we would all like, but it has a physical KB that is top notch!(one of the best I have ever tried). It has a good camera. It has a capacitive touch screen. Nice looks, IMO. Good battery life(subject to personal use, but just shy of a BB, and way better than any WM device).
Just wait, I am willing to bet money 2.X makes its way to the G1 officially.
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You had, a G1, a 8900, a 9700, a Touch Pro 2... all those and you weren't happy. Guy, you got problems.
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You had, a G1, a 8900, a 9700, a Touch Pro 2... all those and you weren't happy. Guy, you got problems.
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Not really... I am a tester for the cell phone company I work for, so I get to test a lot of different phones. As well, when we do decide to carry a phone, I usually get to carry it for a week since I help write tip sheets.
Personally, I have owned a BB Pearl 8110, a BB Curve 8310, a BB Curve 8900, a HTC TyTNII, and a G1.
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Not really... I am a tester for the cell phone company I work for, so I get to test a lot of different phones. As well, when we do decide to carry a phone, I usually get to carry it for a week since I help write tip sheets.
Personally, I have owned a BB Pearl 8110, a BB Curve 8310, a BB Curve 8900, a HTC TyTNII, and a G1.
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Let me guess which was your favorite... until now
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Let me guess which was your favorite... until now
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I will tell you this much, the best times with my TyTNII was when I started running Android on it... so I guess it would have to be the BB 8110! In seriousness, I could type faster on the 8110 than any other phone, hands down. My favorite has been the G1, until the N1 came across my desk, er kiosk... the verdict is still out, a little bit, but I am pretty sure I made the right call for my first brand new and up to date smart phone.
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You had, a G1, a 8900, a 9700, a Touch Pro 2... all those and you weren't happy. Guy, you got problems.
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I dont understand though didnt you hear about the Scorpion that's gonna be in new android devices, plus why buy a phone in the beginning of year when you know something way better will be out in less than 4 months. Plus the Shadow and all those other andros will be coming out. I ended up giving mines to my pops he was using a BB-Storm2
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I dont understand though didnt you hear about the Scorpion that's gonna be in new android devices, plus why buy a phone in the beginning of year when you know something way better will be out in less than 4 months. Plus the Shadow and all those other andros will be coming out. I ended up giving mines to my pops he was using a BB-Storm2
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There will always be something better in another 4 months... actually, if history repeats itself, the next round of HTC Android will be this June with "mid grades" and then this fall with the "high end" ones. And what are the chances any of those will be for sale at the price of $530, brand new, unlocked, without contract?
Where do you work lucky sir?
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There will always be something better in another 4 months... actually, if history repeats itself, the next round of HTC Android will be this June with "mid grades" and then this fall with the "high end" ones. And what are the chances any of those will be for sale at the price of $530, brand new, unlocked, without contract?
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Or that a phone even better than the Nexus One, a little more powerful, brand new and unlocked comes out next January?
Probably... I wouldn't be surprised if google launches a N2 sometime this year, probably with a keyboards, and what not. But for sure, next January there will be a new release of the N1 with better specs.
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Probably... I wouldn't be surprised if google launches a N2 sometime this year, probably with a keyboards, and what not. But for sure, next January there will be a new release of the N1 with better specs.
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Eh, if the blogs are right (they've been wrong before) the "N2" is supposed to be the Motorola Shadow. It's not worth it as I have NEVER seen a decent moto-keyboard
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Not really... I am a tester for the cell phone company I work for, so I get to test a lot of different phones. As well, when we do decide to carry a phone, I usually get to carry it for a week since I help write tip sheets.
Personally, I have owned a BB Pearl 8110, a BB Curve 8310, a BB Curve 8900, a HTC TyTNII, and a G1.
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I had a question and I'm not sure you could answer it, but maybe someone else could give me a little insight. I'm 14, turning 15 in september, and I saw that at my local t-mobile shop they had a seasonal sales rep job open. Do you think I could grab this for the summer? I would consider myself a phone/xda forums/android/computer addict. (the computer part being since I was 3 thanks to my dad)
Hi guy and gals, I'm new to the forum and was hoping you can help me. I am a current iPhone user but am considering getting the HD2. Now I have looked at the specs on the phone and it blows my iPhone out of the water. But what can I do with that hardware? I can see the potential but I am trying to talk my girlfriend into leaving ATT and going T-Mobile and getting the HD2. But she loves all her iPhone apps. So what are some cool things this HD2 can do?
I appreciate any help or advice you can offer. Oh yea, I'm in US.
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Hi guy and gals, I'm new to the forum and was hoping you can help me. I am a current iPhone user but am considering getting the HD2. Now I have looked at the specs on the phone and it blows my iPhone out of the water. But what can I do with that hardware? I can see the potential but I am trying to talk my girlfriend into leaving ATT and going T-Mobile and getting the HD2. But she loves all her iPhone apps. So what are some cool things this HD2 can do?
I appreciate any help or advice you can offer. Oh yea, I'm in US.
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Yes, the hardware specs are amazing, but you should really consider what you need from a phone before switching, trust me.
You don't have to leave AT&T to get this phone, since T-Mobile's network uses the same system as AT&T (and the rest of the civilized world outside of the US )
As far as features go, the coolest thing I can think of off the bat is the FpseCE, a playstation emulator. Yeah, that's freakin' awesome. Of course, there is also a million-and-one free apps out there, just check out freewareppc.com.
There is also Windows Marketplace, with about 300+ games available (can you tell I'm all about the games yet?)
But in all seriousness, you should pop by google and try "tmobile hd2 site:youtube.com" as your search term (or click here and I'll do it for ya). Lot's of cool videos out there.
Comparing the iPhone to the HD2 is like (literally) comparing the PC to the Mac. There's some similarity, but overall very different experiences.
Hope that helped!
If your an iPhone user you SHOULD really look in to the many user that came from an android or an iPhone platform.
Like Snarksneeze states, there are thousand of apps for winmobut their not as simple to access then due to the fact that NOT ALL OF THEM are in the marketplace and you would need to look for them on the internet, also the HD2 is a Windows base phone so therefore your comparing it to an Apple productand there is a HUGE differences like the phone crashing crashingfreazing and not responding proplerly.
I sudgest trying out the phone for around 14 to 30 days depending the time your state allows you to cancell your contract and return the phone. for me Tmobile is way better than att and HTC is better than apple no questions asked (ask anyone around here) however the apple is a stupid friendly phone so that means you dont have to do nothing to customizing it and it good out of the box unlike the hd2 that you have to spent countless hours looking for the apps and the rom that suits you, but at the end its all worth it
Oh and when it comes to women I say the iPhone its better.I think every girl I dated like or has an iPhone more than any other phone. lol but that's just me
Thanks for the input guys, my girl broke down today and she decided to get the HD2. I told her she can keep her iPhone and still use any apps as long as they didn't need the 3g, or I can unlock it and use it on T-Mobile. But unfortunately when we went down to go pick up our HD2's they were sold out. So, I picked up a Motorola cliq so I could give Android a test drive till they get in some HD2's. I appreciate your input and look forward to asking ya'll many more questions and hunting out the best ROMs. Have a great day peeps.
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Hi guy and gals, I'm new to the forum and was hoping you can help me. I am a current iPhone user but am considering getting the HD2. Now I have looked at the specs on the phone and it blows my iPhone out of the water. But what can I do with that hardware? I can see the potential but I am trying to talk my girlfriend into leaving ATT and going T-Mobile and getting the HD2. But she loves all her iPhone apps. So what are some cool things this HD2 can do?
I appreciate any help or advice you can offer. Oh yea, I'm in US.
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What makes you want the HD2? Is it just the specs? The new iphone coming out in a couple months will have just as good or better specs, probably. Have you ever used Windows Mobile? Its nothing like the iphone and you're not going to get the same user experience from it. My girlfriends still pissed at me for convincing her to get a WinMobile phone instead of an iphone a year ago. Unless you like spending time tweaking and setting it up the way you like, you will probably be more comfortable with the iphone. You have to be somewhat tech savvy to get past some of the issues you might encounter with WinMo. Its not going to be user friendly and work out of the box the way the iphone does. It also doesn't have as many apps as the iphone. Unless your familiar with WinMo or feel like learning a whole new OS that won't be supported much longer, I would definitely think about it. If you have to convince your girlfriend to get it, I don't think she will be happy with it.
Also, depending on your area, T-Mobiles service is usually not nearly as good as AT&T.... especially when it comes to 3G. I have constant issues getting 3G inside houses or buildings. T-Mobiles 3g band doesn't penetrate nearly as well as AT&Ts.
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What makes you want the HD2? Is it just the specs? The new iphone coming out in a couple months will have just as good or better specs, probably. Have you ever used Windows Mobile? Its nothing like the iphone and you're not going to get the same user experience from it. My girlfriends still pissed at me for convincing her to get a WinMobile phone instead of an iphone a year ago. Unless you like spending time tweaking and setting it up the way you like, you will probably be more comfortable with the iphone. You have to be somewhat tech savvy to get past some of the issues you might encounter with WinMo. Its not going to be user friendly and work out of the box the way the iphone does. It also doesn't have as many apps as the iphone. Unless your familiar with WinMo or feel like learning a whole new OS that won't be supported much longer, I would definitely think about it. If you have to convince your girlfriend to get it, I don't think she will be happy with it.
Also, depending on your area, T-Mobiles service is usually not nearly as good as AT&T.... especially when it comes to 3G. I have constant issues getting 3G inside houses or buildings. T-Mobiles 3g band doesn't penetrate nearly as well as AT&Ts.
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I agree with this. I was an iPhoner, but the things that I didn't like about the phone delt with the lack of customization. WinMo was a natural switch for me so it was ok. BUT!!!! I work as a Windows programmer and have been programming since I was 13. I went to school for computers, my father worked in computer, my house has a 2 to 1 Computer to Person ratio (3:1 if you count phones as computers) so I'm not the norm.
My wife on the other hand would have thrown this phone against the wall the day she got it if I hadn't gotten her a MyTouch. That phone is the perfect "Intro" smartphone.
So, if you want to get thrown into the mix, go for it. If your gf/wife is not computer savvy, save yourself the headache of being both a user and an HTC technician and get her another phone. The HD2 is not for the casual phon user
I'm thinking about returning my Fascinate in light of the Verizon iPhone. Would it be worth it? Being stuck on 2.1 waiting till 2013 for Gingerbread forever sucks!
1.4hitachi said:
I'm thinking about returning my Fascinate in light of the Verizon iPhone. Would it be worth it? Being stuck on 2.2 forever sucks!
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I wouldn't get this iteration of the iPhone. You'll be stuck on it for the next two years, missing out completely on the next gen device that will come out in the summer.
there isn't a phone that you can walk into the VZW store and buy right now that is better than the Fascinate. You can argue that the Droid inc, Droid X and droid 2 are all superior in some way, but in terms of hardware, speed, and form-factor there isn't a better all around device today. In a month or two, that could very well change, but if you take it back today, what are you going to get?
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there isn't a phone that you can walk into the VZW store and buy right now that is better than the Fascinate. You can argue that the Droid inc, Droid X and droid 2 are all superior in some way, but in terms of hardware, speed, and form-factor there isn't a better all around device today. In a month or two, that could very well change, but if you take it back today, what are you going to get?
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Yeah, I owned the Droid inc and returned it for the Fascinate, that was a good decision I think. The X is too big and has a tumor, and the Droid 2 is just a faster version of the OG Droid.
Very Good points. Thanks.
nmyeti said:
there isn't a phone that you can walk into the VZW store and buy right now that is better than the Fascinate. You can argue that the Droid inc, Droid X and droid 2 are all superior in some way, but in terms of hardware, speed, and form-factor there isn't a better all around device today. In a month or two, that could very well change, but if you take it back today, what are you going to get?
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I kind of agree with you on the VZW part. The Fascinate IMO is the best Android handset on Verizon, for the the reasons that you also listed above. However, having been using an iPhone 3GS until recently, there are also some benefits to switching over to iOS. Personally, I find a lot more that I like about the Android platform compared to iOS. I also have a problem with having to use a device where a CEO is determining what I want from a phone, but it does have its upsides.
However as a Fascinate owner, there seems to be this feeling of being left behind and inadequate. Samsung is more focused on releasing new devices with Froyo already installed, than actually releasing the damn update on our current phones. What's the point in buying the Fascinate today if in not even half of a year there will be a better version of it running wild? At least with the iPhone you know that you will get timely updates and a new version won't hit stores until at least a year later.
Now, one could argue that rooting your SCH-I500 and flashing a custom ROM can make you feel less concerned with having to have the 2.2 update on the phone, but even the mod development on this phone feels somewhat weak (No offense to the Fascinate devs, I know you guys are awesome and doing all you can to save this phone). I'm just calling it how I see it. I've used, rooted, and modded an Epic 4G and that device has a way more active community with more variety in mod selections.
Personally, if I was told that I could exchange my Fascinate for the iPhone 4 when it releases I would jump on that. However, If I was told that I could exchange my Fascinate for the Droid Bionic when that launches, I would be much more excited.
As noted, the Fascinate even with 2.1 is still a fantastic phone. If you are smart, you'll keep what you have (or trade/ebay) to keep your upgrade for later this year when all the LTE dual core Androids come out that will blow away anything out currently and even the next iPhone coming in June/July (as it won't have LTE).
I would return it and just get a cheap feature phone off craig's list and use that sans contract until the Motorola Bionic comes out, and then sign your contract with the phone discount. Wish I still had this option. May try to sell my Fascinate on craig's list and see if I can get 50% of the cost of a Bionic to just buy it out right. Im tired of Samsung and their bull ****. I can deal with updates no coming out. But when you code your phone so poorly that even the dev community can't work with it to fix your laziness and inability to release updates, well that is just too much for me.
Yes, most definitely. Return it, and get a Razr.
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As noted, the Fascinate even with 2.1 is still a fantastic phone. If you are smart, you'll keep what you have (or trade/ebay) to keep your upgrade for later this year when all the LTE dual core Androids come out that will blow away anything out currently and even the next iPhone coming in June/July (as it won't have LTE).
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Yeah i can't wait to see the battery life on a dual core :/
Z an B son!
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Yeah i can't wait to see the battery life on a dual core :/
Z an B son!
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Considering all the current smart phones have about 1500mah batteries and the specs released for the upcoming dual core have 2000mah batteries along with better/more efficient OSs etc, I'm thinking the battery life will be about the same.
Battery life may even be better on the targa2 based phones as they probably will have a lot more time "at rest" since they are capable of doing a lot more work per clock cycle.
Personally i am holding out till a dual core, lte phone comes along in the form factor i want.
Wait for dual core. Iphone 4 is outdated by the time March hits.
Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, Clocked at 1.3Ghz
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Yes, most definitely. Return it, and get a Razr.
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Razor FTW! I had one of those back in 07', I thought it was bad a$$.
Yeah, being on the latest version of android would be nice. But, honestly, I don't know that having a newer version of android would impact how I use my phone. Flash support will be nice but I rarely find my self on websites that require flash while browsing on my phone. certain apps require 2.2, but I don't use those. The speed bump might be the biggest difference (for me, at least).
I'm sure we'll get updates either from the devs or from samsung that will bring us to the newer versions of android. But, Before you got making a drastic change in phone hardware just ask yourself if that is really going to change your phone activities or how you use it. For me, it really won't.
my 2 cents.
I'm in the same boat. I just got my Fascinate 3 weeks ago (leaving a little over 1 more week to return it under the 30 day guarantee), and I love it; it's the first smart phone I've owned. However, I can't help but feel the iPhone might be a better choice.
For me, the selling points for Android were Google Voice integration and free wifi hotspot capability. After researching these, I believe they are both now possible on the iPhone. I didn't even consider an iPhone before because I didn't want to deal with AT&T's network, but on Verizon, it is pretty tempting.
I also hate Steve Jobs and the general iPhone mindset--that everything is perfect as-is without allowing for any changes. With jailbreaking, however, I feel like most things on the Android become possible. I'm under the impression that the iPhone can do essentially everything that Android can, with a better/larger selection of apps and games. Maybe I'm wrong...it'd be great if someone who has previously owned an iPhone could point out its flaws to change my mind.
In the end, I'm sure I'd be happy with either device, regardless of my decision. But with 2 years to go, I want the best experience possible. The Fascinate has been great, but Samsung's apathy toward updates is a big turn-off. If it weren't for jt/birdman/etc. and their work on Gingerbread, I might have switched already.
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I'm in the same boat. I just got my Fascinate 3 weeks ago (leaving a little over 1 more week to return it under the 30 day guarantee), and I love it; it's the first smart phone I've owned. However, I can't help but feel the iPhone might be a better choice.
For me, the selling points for Android were Google Voice integration and free wifi hotspot capability. After researching these, I believe they are both now possible on the iPhone. I didn't even consider an iPhone before because I didn't want to deal with AT&T's network, but on Verizon, it is pretty tempting.
I also hate Steve Jobs and the general iPhone mindset--that everything is perfect as-is without allowing for any changes. With jailbreaking, however, I feel like most things on the Android become possible. I'm under the impression that the iPhone can do essentially everything that Android can, with a better/larger selection of apps and games. Maybe I'm wrong...it'd be great if someone who has previously owned an iPhone could point out its flaws to change my mind.
In the end, I'm sure I'd be happy with either device, regardless of my decision. But with 2 years to go, I want the best experience possible. The Fascinate has been great, but Samsung's apathy toward updates is a big turn-off. If it weren't for jt/birdman/etc. and their work on Gingerbread, I might have switched already.
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Personally, I'd stick with what you got so you don't get trapped into iOS apps and iTunes (which I loathe). GB will be out soonish from this community and Samsung will eventually get 2.2 out if you want to stay unrooted.
The phone is a great phone and the only feature you'll really be lacking is the front camera/video calls. If that is really important to you, then maybe get the HTC Thunderbolt as it comes out soon.
Also, don't worry about your return period as you can easily sell the phone for upwards of $400 on Ebay/Craigslist and simply buy someones phone you want out right down the road when they launch. Such as in 6mos or so when all the far better dual core LTE devices launch.
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Personally, I'd stick with what you got so you don't get trapped into iOS apps and iTunes (which I loathe). GB will be out soonish from this community and Samsung will eventually get 2.2 out if you want to stay unrooted.
The phone is a great phone and the only feature you'll really be lacking is the front camera/video calls. If that is really important to you, then maybe get the HTC Thunderbolt as it comes out soon.
Also, don't worry about your return period as you can easily sell the phone for upwards of $400 on Ebay/Craigslist and simply buy someones phone you want out right down the road when they launch. Such as in 6mos or so when all the far better dual core LTE devices launch.
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I don't care at all about a front camera; until it is much more common and the people that I talk to have one, it is on the bottom of my priority list. What do you hate about iOS apps? I have an iPod, and I personally think iTunes is a decent interface for music syncs. It certainly beats what I use to transfer media to my Fascinate right now, which is manual file copying. Maybe I'll give MediaMonkey a try soon.
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I don't care at all about a front camera; until it is much more common and the people that I talk to have one, it is on the bottom of my priority list. What do you hate about iOS apps? I have an iPod, and I personally think iTunes is a decent interface for music syncs. It certainly beats what I use to transfer media to my Fascinate right now, which is manual file copying. Maybe I'll give MediaMonkey a try soon.
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iOS apps are fine, except I do believe there are far more free versions on the Android market.
I loathe iTunes as its a resource hog. I refuse to allow it on my machines.
Android allows you to use whatever software you want and you simply copy paste the media over to your phone. May not be automatic (yet I'm sure Google is working on this) but, that is not a concern to me and I am good with copy/paste.
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iOS apps are fine, except I do believe there are far more free versions on the Android market.
I loathe iTunes as its a resource hog. I refuse to allow it on my machines.
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I hate itunes and it's probably the #1 reason that I don't use an iphone. There is nothing specifically wrong with the iphone 4, but honestly who wants to sign a 2 year contract on something that is already about a year old when a new version will be out soon?
I bought my Droid inc back in April when it launched. VZW was kind enough to replace it with a SF after I had some issues with my 3rd DINC. I've got an upgrade i'm saving for when something really compelling comes out and i can tell you, the iphone 4 isn't compelling.
I have 2 different people I know that own iPhone 4s and I have had to use them at one point or another (to look something up and my phone was at my desk). I can say that I will definitely NEVER EVER go back to a 3.5 inch screen. They seem soooo small now. I don't think I would even consider a 3.7 inch screen at this point. I think 4 inches is the smallest I will ever go, and the 4.3 on the Droid X and Evo are probably pushing the upper region.