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Advice for Iphone user

Hello all, please excuse the ignorance of this post. I have been an Iphone user from day one of the 2g Iphone, currently having a 3g one. Getting a little tired of the Iphone, and have tried Win Mo on a Touch Diamond (dont hate me but I wasnt a fan of the OS). I have been looking at the vids of Hero on www.coolsmartphone.com, and starting to become quite taken. Was just curious if anyone out there is an Iphone user switching to Android OS, in particular the Hero. Really just looking for some opinions, and I am not trying to start an Iphone haters thread, just looking for some advice.

Although I'm not a huge dan of the iPhone, I much prefer its software to Android. I'll set aside the iTunes store and bandwagon effects (when people develop for mobile, they develop for iPhone) for now.
I feel that Android has too many buttons. There's an end, home, and back button. I'm not always sure which one to press. Also, it has multitasking without and inbuilt task manager. I don't know how to quit vs. hide an app. I think its app specific.
That said, the Hero software is much better than the standard Android build.
I was given an Ion at Google I/O, but I've hardly touched it. The iPhone, even with its own limitations, is still a better phone.

Cheers for the quick reply, still undecided.

I'm not quite an iPhone user, just an iPod touch. All I can really say is that the iPhone has a lot of great apps, browsing and calendar is great, as well as other features. I've never owned an Android device but I'm looking at the Hero too and like how customizable it is. I guess I just want to try something different.

I have never owned an iphone but been a LONG term Winmob user. I moved to Android yesterday and there is no doubt, Android is light years ahead of the current version of winmob, but, and there is a but, when you are so used to something, even good change can be a little frustrating. My point? If you use and like iphone, and remembering (if we are honest) the whole iphone experience is more visually and aesthetically appealing than winmob (with whatever rom you fancy ) ...and in a lot of areas, more functional, then I would imagine you as a long term iphoner would find the journey to hero/android a little traumatic.
You might like it for a day, then think 'but on iphone I did this', etc.
So, in summary, I have made the leap as winmob was just becoming too dated and for me, the nuances are acceptable but for someone from an already decent OS, you may think, after a while, I prefer where I was.

theillustratedlife said:
Although I'm not a huge dan of the iPhone, I much prefer its software to Android. I'll set aside the iTunes store and bandwagon effects (when people develop for mobile, they develop for iPhone) for now.
I feel that Android has too many buttons. There's an end, home, and back button. I'm not always sure which one to press. Also, it has multitasking without and inbuilt task manager. I don't know how to quit vs. hide an app. I think its app specific.
That said, the Hero software is much better than the standard Android build.
I was given an Ion at Google I/O, but I've hardly touched it. The iPhone, even with its own limitations, is still a better phone.
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Free app, tasKiller - works great for shutting down running apps, just put an icon on your homescreen and 2 taps is all it takes.
I was suffering major app slowdown before installing this, sometimes multiple instances of the same app were running and slowing things down, this app is a god send!

Thanks. I figured there would be something like that - my comments were more in reference to the iPhone v Android discussion.

cbailey said:
I have never owned an iphone but been a LONG term Winmob user. I moved to Android yesterday and there is no doubt, Android is light years ahead of the current version of winmob, but, and there is a but, when you are so used to something, even good change can be a little frustrating. My point? If you use and like iphone, and remembering (if we are honest) the whole iphone experience is more visually and aesthetically appealing than winmob (with whatever rom you fancy ) ...and in a lot of areas, more functional, then I would imagine you as a long term iphoner would find the journey to hero/android a little traumatic.
You might like it for a day, then think 'but on iphone I did this', etc.
So, in summary, I have made the leap as winmob was just becoming too dated and for me, the nuances are acceptable but for someone from an already decent OS, you may think, after a while, I prefer where I was.
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Although I will agree with some of your points othese I wont.
I find that andriod is more asthetically pleasing than the iPhone and when you state that the poster would think "the iphone did this" they will also think wow my iphone didnt do this...
To the original poster, why dont you take a trip to t-mobile and try their phone before you buy, only you will know what you prefer.
I used to be an iphone user and hated it after about a week, the main issue for me seemed to be multitasking, amazing how much I use that.
Anyways just my opinion, each to their own, but dont discard the Hero nor should you leap into buying one, read, read, read and try in store.

Certainly, do not discount the Hero, it is a beautiful piece of tech.
If it helps you any, I kept my Hero for 3 days, then returned to the Kaiser. I have sent the Hero back.
Now, is the Kaiser better? As a tech experience, NOT a chance, the Hero is much better. As a functional tool, the Kaiser is more (for me).
Example, it syncs locally, completely flawlessly. The Satnav apps on it are mature and established, if truth also be told, I found an onscreen keyboard not a patch on a hardware one. These are key reasons I need my phone.
Will I go back to Hero? I would have thought very likely. It needs to mature a little, then I will be back in. I will still miss the hardware keyboard though. Pressing a screen is not a patch on pressing buttons. But as an iphone user, that will not be any issue for you.

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I've just sold my iPhone 3G and ordered a HTC Hero, I think being a Mac lover there'll always be a thing for the iPhone and the whole user experience - no matter what anyone says. But I just wanted to try something different and the Hero looked promising with the Android and mainly what HTC has added to it. Hopefully it doesn't let me down! If I do miss the iPhone too much then I'll just upgrade in 9 months once my contract finishes!

hannanmalik said:
I've just sold my iPhone 3G and ordered a HTC Hero, I think being a Mac lover there'll always be a thing for the iPhone and the whole user experience - no matter what anyone says. But I just wanted to try something different and the Hero looked promising with the Android and mainly what HTC has added to it. Hopefully it doesn't let me down! If I do miss the iPhone too much then I'll just upgrade in 9 months once my contract finishes!
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I predict you will very quickly long for where you once were and end up with another iphone. Sure of it.

hannanmalik said:
I've just sold my iPhone 3G and ordered a HTC Hero, I think being a Mac lover there'll always be a thing for the iPhone and the whole user experience - no matter what anyone says. But I just wanted to try something different and the Hero looked promising with the Android and mainly what HTC has added to it. Hopefully it doesn't let me down! If I do miss the iPhone too much then I'll just upgrade in 9 months once my contract finishes!
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Two thumbs up!!
I had an iphone sold it and NEVER looked back, behind all that hype theres actually just a phone with an ipod!!

danchappers said:
Two thumbs up!!
I had an iphone sold it and NEVER looked back, behind all that hype theres actually just a phone with an ipod!!
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Hahahaha. Whenever i see somone with an Iphone its like Whatever. Its like so not 2009. It just got old for me. I sold my Magic to get a Htc Hero:
I had a G1, sold it to my friend from work, bought a Magic, played with it for 1-2 weeks. Sold it and now im getting a Hero soon!

T-Mobile G1 to iPhone to HTC Hero (My experiences)

Honestly I'm not sure exactly what is causing me to write this thread, but I thought that I would share my experiences over the last 6 months while switching back and forth between devices. Hopefully someone will read this and feel like they have seen a very honest opinion about the epic David vs. Goliath battle of smartphones.
(Incoming wall of text)
My first "real" smartphone was a T-Mobile G1. I thought that it was a great phone out of the box, but then I caught the bug after visiting xda-developers and got into rooting and running different ROMs on an almost daily basis. A few months after this started, the whole debacle with Haykuro went down and then it felt like there was a very large shift in the way information was distributed. I didn't really like the way things had been going, so I hopped on board the first opportunity that I could to get out of my G1.
In June, I was offered the ability to combine my personal cell phone service into my company's plan where they would cover the cost since I have to use my phone for business purposes. This gave me a good reason to jump away from T-Mobile, as well as have my phone plan taken care of for me. Since they were on AT&T, I thought that I would give an iPhone a swing.
I will say that I adored my iPhone. Maybe a bit too much even. I felt more concerned about keeping it in immaculate condition than feeling like I could use it on a regular basis. The moment it came out of the box, a screen protector went on, as well as a case. I realized then, that my iPhone wasn't really an iPhone anymore. At least not in that sleek sexy way that they show them in the commercials. Undaunted, I dove into modding my iPhone after jailbreaking it, working on themes, playing with non-sanctioned apps and just about everything else you can do with an iPhone. It was at this moment that I realized that the iPhone was less of a well rounded business phone, but instead (for me personally) more of a portable gaming system that allowed me to use my email, text and make some phone calls.
Recently I decided that the iPhone community was frustrating me to no end. The zealots that preached "Mac is king" made me grow irritated to visit the forums that I had once posted all of my themes and tweaks. I realized that the community wasn't one that I was overtly welcomed to, no matter how polite or elegantly I made my points. Maybe I'd just forgotten to sip the kool-aid, but I realized I wasn't in love with my phone, and I wasn't as taken in by everything that these people thought it could do, or so kind as to overlook the iPhone's many glaring faults. I decided to trade my iPhone for an HTC Hero and some extra dough.
I got my Hero in the mail yesterday, and unfortunately the experience wasn't the greatest out of the box. I'd lost my touch with the Android devices, so it took me some time to get ADB up and running again on my work laptop and make sure that the drivers were all hunky-dory. I loaded the Modaco ROM and everything seems to have worked well so far. Looking through the apps available, I realized how pampered I was with my iPhone. There literally were apps for just about everything, as well as some that I absolutely didn't need. Seriously, who needs 25 different fart soundboard apps? I think the thing I'm a little let down with the most was the lack of decent games, even after almost 6 months away from the OS. I'm very pleased that UniWar has made it to the system, and in fact, was the final nail in the coffin of owning an iPhone.
Gaming aside, I'm hoping that I fall back in love with the Android OS. It's so much prettier than the iPhone counterpart. Even better is that I can tether over wifi and connect my iPod Touch and play the games that I'd lost with my iPhone. Sure I have two devices in my bag now, but I feel like I have a better phone, as well as a separate gaming device.
In the end, I think I'm happy so far, but only time will tell if this is just the bliss of a honeymoon that will fade to frustration. Knowing I can't have 3G speeds was a hard pill to swallow, and one that I didn't do the research beforehand. I learned my lesson, but still adore the little Hero sitting alongside me on my desk.
I think there will always be a soft spot in my heart for the iPhone, but I think I came to the party a little too late. With Apple tightening their grasp on owners of the 3GS with every patch, I have little doubt that Steve Jobs will eventually have his way, and the community of 2 million or more users who enjoy their jailbroken devices will move to another platform, possibly the Android. We can only hope that some of the fantastic developers eventually make their way to this side of the fence.

TooSlo said:
Knowing I can't have 3G speeds was a hard pill to swallow, and one that I didn't do the research beforehand.
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Maybe it is my ignorance, but why can you not have 3G speeds on the Hero? Sprint's network is 3g.
Thank you much for the writeup. the HTC Vogue was my first smartphone (WinMo) and while I enjoy the incredible ability I have to customize my phone, the operating system behind it all is still WinMo, and that means it's still fairly buggy. In the end I've begun to realize that as I "personalize" the phone for myself with programs and custom Roms, I'm doing this to make up for WinMo shortcomings, which is something I'm not sure I should have to do to get an enjoyable user experience.

justpyro said:
Maybe it is my ignorance, but why can you not have 3G speeds on the Hero? Sprint's network is 3g.
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My apologies. I should have been clearer that I am still on the AT&T network. I purchased an overseas GSM version of the HTC Hero.

TooSlo said:
A few months after this started, the whole debacle with Haykuro went down and then it felt like there was a very large shift in the way information was distributed.
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Sorry to be a complete noob, but what is the Haykuro debacle?

Nexus or Iphone? i cant decide...

To start off Iam no stranger to android&to the Iphone/Ipod touch OS(used to own an ipodtouch)
Iam truely brickwalled on deciding if I should switch to a nexus one or a Iphone 3g on tmobile. The reason why I'm still considering an iphone with tmobile is because for 1 my bill will go down a bit&I ll save near 200 on the phones purchase via ebay.
I do love android&the nexus one seems to be what I have been waiting for yet I don't want to be left out in the dark with 500 dollar device. By that I mean it not getting many android software updates. The only thing I can say I don't like about android 100% is the app market( I'm a sucker for games)
But all aside I just don't want to make the wrong choice as ill be starting my college classes in mid march&I need a new phone to see me thru. Currently I'm on a tmo g1&I havehad it for a year now. Its been dropped a few times&has its scares&I have maxed it out to my taste with custom roms.......but the time has come for a new device.
I welcome all help&opinions(esp if you have used both devices)

Firstly, the iPhone won't get 3G on T-Mobile bands.
I myself upgraded from a G1, and while I miss the hardware KB (mostly for SNES) the upgrade is great. All the things the G1 could technically do, this thing can do while running 5 other apps without any lag.
You're pretty much right about the games, but Polarbit has a handful of cool ones in 3d now that run great on the Nexus, and really show it off. Armageddon Squadron (dumb name) is a great WWII flying game where you can even dogfight online (though nobody ever seems to play). However, SNESoid is pretty much crippled right now that took away a lot of the gaming potential.
Eventually, however, it will have Flash 10.1 support, which will unlock a nearly infinite catalog of games online. Granted, Flash games aren't the most engaging.

I've been playing HomeRun Battle 3d on my nexus all day, so hard to put down.

you cant compare a Nexus One and iPhone 3G but u can compare it to a 3GS, i would go for that if u decide to take the iPhone route, the 3Gs is soo much better than the 3G
anyways i was in the same boat, i wanted the 3Gs but I was dying for and Android device, passed on the Nexus one ofr now, and saved 300 bucks and got a myTouch3G instead, i am still gonna in the market for a high powered ANDROID device but this is fine for now. SOmeone just put it to me like iPhone is for Paris Hiltons nowadays, its glamor. All the smart DEVs use the ANDROID platform

nicknowsky said:
you cant compare a Nexus One and iPhone 3G but u can compare it to a 3GS, i would go for that if u decide to take the iPhone route, the 3Gs is soo much better than the 3G
anyways i was in the same boat, i wanted the 3Gs but I was dying for and Android device, passed on the Nexus one ofr now, and saved 300 bucks and got a myTouch3G instead, i am still gonna in the market for a high powered ANDROID device but this is fine for now. SOmeone just put it to me like iPhone is for Paris Hiltons nowadays, its glamor. All the smart DEVs use the ANDROID platform
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Well said... the glamour bit.

I have 2 phones, a nexus one and an iphone 3gs.
IMHO, the nexus 1 is where the iphone was about a year ago, ie it's missing some functions (although you can add most of those through 3rd party apps and of course, the cooks are always making it better.)
HOWEVER, I love both phones. The thing with the Nexus is that once you root it etc, the possibilities are endless, just like when you jailbreak, but jailbreaking is easier than rooting (again imho) but you really get to know and love your phone once you have to figure out how to do things like fastbooting this and terminal into that etc...
There is one thing to keep in mind, the next phone is always around the corner and there could be a completely new iphone announced soon. Apple is having an event on the 27th of Jan, so maybe hold off on deciding until you hear what Stevy has to say
Either way, I think you'll be happy with either choice you make
Lou

samawil said:
I have 2 phones, a nexus one and an iphone 3gs.
IMHO, the nexus 1 is where the iphone was about a year ago, ie it's missing some functions (although you can add most of those through 3rd party apps and of course, the cooks are always making it better.)
HOWEVER, I love both phones. The thing with the Nexus is that once you root it etc, the possibilities are endless, just like when you jailbreak, but jailbreaking is easier than rooting (again imho) but you really get to know and love your phone once you have to figure out how to do things like fastbooting this and terminal into that etc...
There is one thing to keep in mind, the next phone is always around the corner and there could be a completely new iphone announced soon. Apple is having an event on the 27th of Jan, so maybe hold off on deciding until you hear what Stevy has to say
Either way, I think you'll be happy with either choice you make
Lou
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jailbreaking an iphone is easier than running 'fastboot oem unlock' ??

Also is it true that if I were to buy a jailbroken unlocked iphone 3g(3gs too exspensive)
&upgrade firmware that I would need a an at&t sim to activate it to rejailbreak then unlock it again?
If true that seals the deal&the nexus will be my choice

nmesisca said:
jailbreaking an iphone is easier than running 'fastboot oem unlock' ??
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To jailbreak my iPhone I pressed a button that said "make it rain". Both a pretty easy, but the Blackra1n app is easier for newbies.

corys00 said:
To jailbreak my iPhone I pressed a button that said "make it rain". Both a pretty easy, but the Blackra1n app is easier for newbies.
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That's what i meant...download and click
I'm not saying it's better..just easier
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There is no solution to jailbreak new iPhone 3Gs hardware released after 11/09. Blackrain will jailbreak but when switch phone off and back on again it will be in recovery mode and to get out from that phone need to be connect to the computer and run a blackrain again.
Even rooted N1 can be updated to new firmware without any problem.

Freezey said:
I do love android&the nexus one seems to be what I have been waiting for yet I don't want to be left out in the dark with 500 dollar device. By that I mean it not getting many android software updates. The only thing I can say I don't like about android 100% is the app market( I'm a sucker for games)
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Why are you so worried about not getting software updates? Android has had quite a few updates for only being out 1 year. If you're worried about updates on the Nexus itself, it's only been out for 2 weeks. . .

If your network is T-Mobile, Nexus One hands down. If your network is AT&T iPhone 3GS hands down. If you mean iPhone 3G and NOT 3GS, I would still go with Nexus One on AT&T.

I'm an ex iphone user and htc hd2 (pants) and the nexus one is by far the best phone i've ever had and i've had loads !!!

Nexus one hands down!
My favorite among many is... ask an iphone owner to take a picture in the dark! Oh nevermind!
But without making this an iphone vs N1 battle... Android is the future
Don't let all the bad publicity about the Nexus sink in... it's all overrated, this is an awesome phone

On the question of if you bought an unlocked 3g, would you have to rejailbreak and unlock it using an att sim to get an update...no
If it is already unlocked, you simply install the latest firmware update VIA the right methods. If it started out properly jailbroken and unlocked, and was produced before week 40, you never have to worry about it locking ever again.
Anyway, a little background. I used to be on these forums CONSTANTLY (had an HTC Touch (Sprint) and HTC HD). I then finally switched to the iPhone (never wanting to before, because of the ridiculously many basic flaws it had).
I am now on an iPhone 3GS 32GB. It honestly is the best phone I have ever used. I run a small business (selling smartphones), and can focus so much more now on getting things done, rather on HOW to get them done so that my phone will work right.
I also sell the Nexus One, and played with a customers a bit before I sold it. It seemed good...but sort of beta. Animations weren't as smooth as I would have liked, the device wasn't as fast as I would have liked, and typing was a NIGHTMARE. Since it doesn't have many common implementations of multitouch, I had to be VERY deliberate and careful when typing in order to get it to work right. On the iPhone, I can type ridiculously fast. Since I am used to the more responsive screen, however, I sucked on the Nexus One. That being said, perhaps if I had gone straight from the Touch HD to the Nexus One, I would have never noticed / cared. Even at that point though, I could never be as fast at typing as I am on the iPhone. I can hammer out emails and texts very quickly, and the correction is superb.
However, you are asking about Nexus One and 3G...I think I would say Nexus One for you. I would say 3GS overall, simply because it truly is the best. But between Nexus One and 3G, go for the Nexus One.
1. You are not coming from an iPhones typing experience.
2. The iPhone 3G honestly is just too slow. I've got 2 friends with the 3G model and I can't stand it. The 3GS is really so much faster.
Also, you do indeed need to take into consideration the fact that you are going to use T-Mobile...for which you would have no 3G on any iPhone. However if you go 3GS, the speed of the device can in many times compensate quite well for this, especially if you have a good strong signal with EDGE (used it today).
Also keep in mind that since you will be forced to use EDGE all the time on an iPhone, the battery life will be excellent (although you could choose to do the same with the Nexus One of course - but probably wouldn't).
Another thing, the iPhone is kind of tested - tried and true. All the apps are made for the same screen and res, the same platform, there has only been 3 very careful and slow implementations of the device, they don't usually slap 100 bells and whistles on - so you can always rely on it - ALWAYS.
Also, I do have my iPhone jailbroken, and have taken care of the few faults Apple left, and added a bunch of awesome features.
I'm also told by my suppliers that I should have access to the next gen iPhone sometime soon so...perhaps you should indeed wait as has been mentioned, at a minimum I'd wait until that Apple conference dealyo on the 27th.
But really, I just can't say enough how converted I am. I also installed OS X on my PC and never think about Windows (even Win 7). Apple products really are just SO SOLID and dependable. And fast. It's awesome.
Don't forget it also depends what you want it for. If you want to tinker with it and get into it, a Nexus One is probably again your best choice. If you want an awesome full featured fast smartphone to get things done very efficiently and completely every single time reliably, I'd say 3GS.
Wow. This was the first post I've made on here since I got my iPhone. Truly though, it has been my best phone experience ever, and I have tinkered with quite a few HTC phones for a LOT of time.
I just came back for old times sake.
Anyway, good day to all you xda members! It was good to be back for a bit.
Just a quick FYI, I wholesale and retail all sorts of smartphones (including the Nexus One and factory unlocked (and software unlocked) iPhone 3G and 3GS). So drop me a line or tell a friend if there's interest!
[email protected]

Not going to adress your whole wall-of-text, sorry about that. Just a little note, a 16GB card does NOT cost $100, it's under half of that.
And as a little counterweight: I must say I enjoy Win7 and Android a lot more than OSX and iphone, but that might be just me. Also I'm not a devout follower of any computer software and I will never convert to anything. If I think it's better for my needs, I will use it (having had WM phones, ipods, iphones etc etc). I still use a ipod nano 16GB as my mp3 player because it's small and has a nice screen (although without itunes).
People saying they are converts to computer software/hardware well... too bad for them imo

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Not going to adress your whole wall-of-text, sorry about that. Just a little note, a 16GB card does NOT cost $100, it's under half of that.
And as a little counterweight: I must say I enjoy Win7 and Android a lot more than OSX and iphone, but that might be just me. Also I'm not a devout follower of any computer software and I will never convert to anything. If I think it's better for my needs, I will use it (having had WM phones, ipods, iphones etc etc). I still use a ipod nano 16GB as my mp3 player because it's small and has a nice screen (although without itunes).
People saying they are converts to computer software/hardware well... too bad for them imo
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Hey, thanks for the input. Would you mind dropping a link to a 16gb card cheaper than that? I have always been surprised they were so expensive, guess I have just been looking in the wrong places.
As for the convert issue...I agree. For example, I was going to drop my iPhone and move to the Nexus One until I tried one out, and discovered that it's 3G will only work with TMobile, and only in the US. What I meant by convert is...right now I have OS X and I have Win 7 ultimate, and I have an iPhone and have had many HTC phones and...In my experience, and for my uses, Apple products have proved time and time again to be vastly superior. But the second the "Nexus Two" comes out and beats the latest iPhone...I'm on board I've really always wanted an Android phone, and really always thought it would conquer. However for the time being, the 3GS 32GB jailbroken has proved the top of the pack for me.

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discovered that it's 3G will only work with TMobile, and only in the US
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Just wanted to address this - the 3G on the nexus will work fine outside the US - some carriers like those in canada dont necissarily use the tmob US frequencies but the whole of europe (on all carriers) and significant parts of the rest of the world does.

human_error said:
Just wanted to address this - the 3G on the nexus will work fine outside the US - some carriers like those in canada dont necissarily use the tmob US frequencies but the whole of europe (on all carriers) and significant parts of the rest of the world does.
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How sure are you about this? From my understanding, even T-Mobile in other countries doesn't use the T-Mobile US 3G frequency. I was under the impression that T-Mobile US alone used their 3G frequency.
Can anyone help us out here?

Hello, I'm new here and hope you can help.

Hi guy and gals, I'm new to the forum and was hoping you can help me. I am a current iPhone user but am considering getting the HD2. Now I have looked at the specs on the phone and it blows my iPhone out of the water. But what can I do with that hardware? I can see the potential but I am trying to talk my girlfriend into leaving ATT and going T-Mobile and getting the HD2. But she loves all her iPhone apps. So what are some cool things this HD2 can do?
I appreciate any help or advice you can offer. Oh yea, I'm in US.

pozativenrgy said:
Hi guy and gals, I'm new to the forum and was hoping you can help me. I am a current iPhone user but am considering getting the HD2. Now I have looked at the specs on the phone and it blows my iPhone out of the water. But what can I do with that hardware? I can see the potential but I am trying to talk my girlfriend into leaving ATT and going T-Mobile and getting the HD2. But she loves all her iPhone apps. So what are some cool things this HD2 can do?
I appreciate any help or advice you can offer. Oh yea, I'm in US.
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Yes, the hardware specs are amazing, but you should really consider what you need from a phone before switching, trust me.
You don't have to leave AT&T to get this phone, since T-Mobile's network uses the same system as AT&T (and the rest of the civilized world outside of the US )
As far as features go, the coolest thing I can think of off the bat is the FpseCE, a playstation emulator. Yeah, that's freakin' awesome. Of course, there is also a million-and-one free apps out there, just check out freewareppc.com.
There is also Windows Marketplace, with about 300+ games available (can you tell I'm all about the games yet?)
But in all seriousness, you should pop by google and try "tmobile hd2 site:youtube.com" as your search term (or click here and I'll do it for ya). Lot's of cool videos out there.
Comparing the iPhone to the HD2 is like (literally) comparing the PC to the Mac. There's some similarity, but overall very different experiences.
Hope that helped!

If your an iPhone user you SHOULD really look in to the many user that came from an android or an iPhone platform.
Like Snarksneeze states, there are thousand of apps for winmobut their not as simple to access then due to the fact that NOT ALL OF THEM are in the marketplace and you would need to look for them on the internet, also the HD2 is a Windows base phone so therefore your comparing it to an Apple productand there is a HUGE differences like the phone crashing crashingfreazing and not responding proplerly.
I sudgest trying out the phone for around 14 to 30 days depending the time your state allows you to cancell your contract and return the phone. for me Tmobile is way better than att and HTC is better than apple no questions asked (ask anyone around here) however the apple is a stupid friendly phone so that means you dont have to do nothing to customizing it and it good out of the box unlike the hd2 that you have to spent countless hours looking for the apps and the rom that suits you, but at the end its all worth it
Oh and when it comes to women I say the iPhone its better.I think every girl I dated like or has an iPhone more than any other phone. lol but that's just me

Thanks for the input guys, my girl broke down today and she decided to get the HD2. I told her she can keep her iPhone and still use any apps as long as they didn't need the 3g, or I can unlock it and use it on T-Mobile. But unfortunately when we went down to go pick up our HD2's they were sold out. So, I picked up a Motorola cliq so I could give Android a test drive till they get in some HD2's. I appreciate your input and look forward to asking ya'll many more questions and hunting out the best ROMs. Have a great day peeps.

pozativenrgy said:
Hi guy and gals, I'm new to the forum and was hoping you can help me. I am a current iPhone user but am considering getting the HD2. Now I have looked at the specs on the phone and it blows my iPhone out of the water. But what can I do with that hardware? I can see the potential but I am trying to talk my girlfriend into leaving ATT and going T-Mobile and getting the HD2. But she loves all her iPhone apps. So what are some cool things this HD2 can do?
I appreciate any help or advice you can offer. Oh yea, I'm in US.
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What makes you want the HD2? Is it just the specs? The new iphone coming out in a couple months will have just as good or better specs, probably. Have you ever used Windows Mobile? Its nothing like the iphone and you're not going to get the same user experience from it. My girlfriends still pissed at me for convincing her to get a WinMobile phone instead of an iphone a year ago. Unless you like spending time tweaking and setting it up the way you like, you will probably be more comfortable with the iphone. You have to be somewhat tech savvy to get past some of the issues you might encounter with WinMo. Its not going to be user friendly and work out of the box the way the iphone does. It also doesn't have as many apps as the iphone. Unless your familiar with WinMo or feel like learning a whole new OS that won't be supported much longer, I would definitely think about it. If you have to convince your girlfriend to get it, I don't think she will be happy with it.
Also, depending on your area, T-Mobiles service is usually not nearly as good as AT&T.... especially when it comes to 3G. I have constant issues getting 3G inside houses or buildings. T-Mobiles 3g band doesn't penetrate nearly as well as AT&Ts.

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What makes you want the HD2? Is it just the specs? The new iphone coming out in a couple months will have just as good or better specs, probably. Have you ever used Windows Mobile? Its nothing like the iphone and you're not going to get the same user experience from it. My girlfriends still pissed at me for convincing her to get a WinMobile phone instead of an iphone a year ago. Unless you like spending time tweaking and setting it up the way you like, you will probably be more comfortable with the iphone. You have to be somewhat tech savvy to get past some of the issues you might encounter with WinMo. Its not going to be user friendly and work out of the box the way the iphone does. It also doesn't have as many apps as the iphone. Unless your familiar with WinMo or feel like learning a whole new OS that won't be supported much longer, I would definitely think about it. If you have to convince your girlfriend to get it, I don't think she will be happy with it.
Also, depending on your area, T-Mobiles service is usually not nearly as good as AT&T.... especially when it comes to 3G. I have constant issues getting 3G inside houses or buildings. T-Mobiles 3g band doesn't penetrate nearly as well as AT&Ts.
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I agree with this. I was an iPhoner, but the things that I didn't like about the phone delt with the lack of customization. WinMo was a natural switch for me so it was ok. BUT!!!! I work as a Windows programmer and have been programming since I was 13. I went to school for computers, my father worked in computer, my house has a 2 to 1 Computer to Person ratio (3:1 if you count phones as computers) so I'm not the norm.
My wife on the other hand would have thrown this phone against the wall the day she got it if I hadn't gotten her a MyTouch. That phone is the perfect "Intro" smartphone.
So, if you want to get thrown into the mix, go for it. If your gf/wife is not computer savvy, save yourself the headache of being both a user and an HTC technician and get her another phone. The HD2 is not for the casual phon user

Pls convince me not to wait for iPhone 4g

Seriously annoyed with myself right now. Waited for this HD2 for a while now and it JUST became available on my corp website (US-Tmo) - could pick it up now if I wanted.
Of course now I'm considering if I wouldn't want to wait it out for the new iPhone to get announced June 7 and then roll onto my corp plan.
I specifically bought an iPod Touch so I would NOT be tempted to buy an iPhone for the wrong reasons.
But after suffering through 4 Sprint TP1's, and now on a Sprint TP2, I'm less than thrilled - and maybe wondering if I should just give up and go to dark side to get reliable operation. That is my biggest issue - phone is always stuttering and doing stuff I don't want it to - despite the upgrade to Sense 2.5, I still feel like I'm fighting the phone half the time.
I really really like the open source nature of winmo and hate the box Jobs creates around his products, but in my experience with my iTouch - it just works.
I played with the HD2 in the store and while the screen is much better now, I still felt I was trying to convince myself the keyboard and browser were as good as my iTouch - and that's the first sign I guess they're not.
Anyway, have at me - I'm just on the fence now.
EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION: I should point out, the only reason I went to the TP2 was Sprint forced me to burn an upgrade as I was "so close" to my 1 yr warranty they wouldn't process another upgrade and staunchly refused to move me to TP2 w/o fee as the famous memo said they should. However, I only upgraded after I was given written proof they will let me out of my contract with no ETF if I'm unhappy for any reason. So I have a get out of jail free card I intend to use as soon as I make up my mind and screw them right back.

Why stop there? Why not wait for the iphone 5g or the HD3?

Get what "you" want!!
You are going to hear how good this phone is!! I love it! But it is not for everyone. If you like easy, stay with what you are used to. No one can decide for you. I researched for months,before it came out. I'm happy with what it is, & has, not what it might be or get!!

ive seen the iphone hype and i dont care
a whole bunch of people dont care about hype, ironically they themselves are a demographic group.
i ordered my hd2 yesterday when my network rang me by suprise 3 months early offering an upgrade.
i guess they knew some pretty new phones were gonna be out (or at least in serious pre-release hype) when my contract expired.
i have an hd1 and just ordered my hd2 (arrives in a few hours ahem) i guess its pretty late in terms of how long the phone has been out, but i was always put off by the screen being too big to be a 'phone' as the hd1 is the maximum size in my opinion. i wanted the hd2 to be exactly what it is now, but the same size as the hd1.
why would you want an iphone anyway?
i have an iphone... i bought it dirt cheap broken it looked like it had been run over. i fixed it and got everything working, even jailbroke it put some apps etc but i never bothered to put it back together because i have a hd.
i actually use my phone. i use contacts, calendar, etc i remote desktop to my main pc. about a hundred other things as well, even though 'theres an app for that' on the ipod wm is just better.
xda... roms... i think youre just having trouble coming to terms with the fact that while iphones are good (dont get me wrong) and the new iphone will be good too, its just not the right phone for you.
thats something i can accept, lots of people feel like they HAVE to prefer the iphone.
basically a guy that doesnt even have his hd2 yet is trying to convince you to go for the phone you want, not the phone that wants to be loved the most (deep psychological implications there lol) so the hd2 must be good. its definately going down in history as an epic phone lol

lude219 said:
Why stop there? Why not wait for the iphone 5g or the HD3?
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thats not good advice, the iphone 6g is almost out lol
maybe he has a 10 year contract

darknyt said:
Seriously annoyed with myself right now. Waited for this HD2 for a while now and it JUST became available on my corp website (US-Tmo) - could pick it up now if I wanted.
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so basically, what you have been waiting for has finally arrived.
Of course now I'm considering if I wouldn't want to wait it out for the new iPhone to get announced June 7 and then roll onto my corp plan.
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the thing is you always get wacky efficiency ideas in your head when you see the light at the end of the tunnel. (the tunnel being the contract, and the light being the upgrade).
even if its not about upgrades and youre just buying phones, its intelligent to question outcomes of alternative solutions to decisions you have made.
I specifically bought an iPod Touch so I would NOT be tempted to buy an iPhone for the wrong reasons.
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so basically you already have an iphone. the ipod is basically all the selling points of an iphone, without the phone. if youre thinking yes, but the new iphone will be better than your current ipod touch then i guess thats true, but then whats the point of having that anyway then?
if you buy the hd2 are you gonna buy the next gen ipod touch to compensate for not having an iphone?
But after suffering through 4 Sprint TP1's, and now on a Sprint TP2, I'm less than thrilled - and maybe wondering if I should just give up and go to dark side to get reliable operation.
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i think the hd2 has been pretty much been given the overall thumbs up by most of the world now its a pretty safe bet. look at how the reviews of the tp2 etc changed over time, the hype and novelty wore off and people moved on. the reviews for the hd2 are consistant now, even picking up as they come out on more networks.
That is my biggest issue - phone is always stuttering and doing stuff I don't want it to - despite the upgrade to Sense 2.5, I still feel like I'm fighting the phone half the time.
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sense is not your only option...
also, what is your phone doing that you dont want it to? running apps while youre on the phone is a big problem for many people that can be solved v easily.
if you feel like youre fighting against the fault then that is because of the user interface.
it takes too many clicks to do a lot of things in sense 2.5 too.
shortcuts help a lot. getting small apps to toggle wifi etc and do what you do commonly make your phone muuuuch easier to use.
why dont you say what you mean specifically?
I really really like the open source nature of winmo and hate the box Jobs creates around his products, but in my experience with my iTouch - it just works.
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yes but so does wm. there are stable versions of everything on wm that the iphone does.
I played with the HD2 in the store and while the screen is much better now, I still felt I was trying to convince myself the keyboard and browser were as good as my iTouch - and that's the first sign I guess they're not.
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you can install many different browsers. many stable and fast.
there are many different keyboards you can install on wm too...
different looks, different layouts, built in functions like copy and paste (by holding a key), shortcuts, numberpads, swipe, commercial ones, freeware, much more flexible. you can even put the iphone keyboard skin on your 'much better' screen of the hd2.
Anyway, have at me - I'm just on the fence now.
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enjoy

I think the only really compelling reason to go for an HD2 over an iPhone 4G is the 4.3" screen. The thing is enormous, and while I don't watch movies on the go (the HD2 can't really play HD movies anyway), the screen is just awesome-- every other phone screen now looks tiny to me. I prefer the industrial design on the HD2 to that of the iPhone 3G/3GS (maybe it seems novel because I've never seen a single other HD2 in the wild, whereas everyone and their dog has an iPhone), but the 4G iPhone is pretty sleek, so we'll have to see.
The HD2's capacitive screen is a big step up from old WM phones, but its accuracy is still not quite at iPhone levels, and despite the huge screen and the variety of keyboards available (after experimenting, I generally stick with the HTC one anyway), I still can't type nearly as accurately (and thus quickly) on the HD2 as on the iPhone. I think the main reason is Apple's still-best-in-class autocorrection (HTC's XT9 mode is so bad that I stick with normal entry, which has no autocorrect at all).
Snapdragon makes the HD2 faster than phones like the TP2, but it still has all the usual Windows Mobile problems (lagging, inconsistent behavior, things inexplicably stop working, needing to soft reset, etc.). The CPU is damn fast, so as a result it sometimes does fly, but it goes to waste in WM, which just delivers highly inconsistent performance. As a phone, my 2G iPhone (with a lowly 400 MHz ARM11 CPU) is much more consistent. I can answer every call that comes in on the iPhone without issue, I never have problems sending/receiving emails, etc., which is not quite true for the HD2 (which sometimes has the black screen of death, slows down tremendously, or just plain locks up, requiring a battery pull).
In sum, the HD2 is the greatest WM 6.x phone that will ever be made, but it's still a WM phone. So that means flexibility and customizability, but it also means having to fiddle with regular ROM flashes to get basic things working, a severe lack of third-party applications, and inconsistency throughout. No HD2 ROM is stable, fast, and bug-free to an iPhone-like level, or even anywhere close.
If you want something that "just works," the iPhone is your answer. I just wouldn't spend too much time with an HD2 beforehand though-- the enormous screen may hook you .

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Because I have jumped onto what was available at the time thinking that same thing and suffered through a crappy phone for a year and having Sprint completely **** me around over it. It's a complete crapshoot, I know. But I'm just trying to be patient with this and not jump on the HD2 just because it's there now, when we all know the announcement of the iPhone is less than 3 weeks away unless Jobs gets his panties in a knot. Just giving myself options between the two most likely candidates.

I can sum it up for you in 3 words...
"No Flash Support"
End of game...

flexibility <> performance
decide for urself.
but u asked for opinions, so..
a friend is using the iphone OS 4.0 beta3 on his iphone 3gs, for me, it suxx, i really dont like it..
i never recommend an iphone, cause its just a way too expensive for so less things
maybe u could go for android, wich is fast and stable on a device like the desire.. much cheaper and still better hardware than an iphone. i dont think the iphone 4g will get hardware like the desire or hd2 has...
i used everything, winmo, android, iphone..
winmo is really flexible, iphone is very fast without lag, but android got both.. its flexible and fast. maybe u should try this?^^

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Pfffff tired of those useless threads ....
if you want one , buy one or wait until it came out ..
But why the hell are you asking a bunch of winmo guys if it is a good choice...
What sort of answer are you looking For ?
to stick to the thread a bit more ....
Wait for 4G ! OR 5G ! or Ngage 4.3 or Nintendo 4DS phone (seems to be great
Sorry i'm not exactly friendly here ....
But .... i'm tired of that ...

To sum up the HD2:
1) One of the most powerful smartphones available.
2) The best chefs on xda cook for it
3) The best programmers develop mods for it (Co0kie's Home Tab etc)
4) Smooth operation
5) Great screen for movies and browsing
6) Overall a fantastic phone
7) You can play StarCraft on it
Yes, you could wait for the next iPhone. Or the HD3. Such is technology, that whatever you buy one day, will always be obsolete the next. Live for the moment, get the HD2, you will not regret it. Even if it doesn't perform exactly as you want in stock (I had practically no problems with stock performance thankfully) just get a custom ROM, make a few tweaks (excellent thread full of tweaks in HD2 General), and it WILL be an excellent phone.

besides talking, what do u use ur phone 4? which one can meet ur requirements as a user?..

Hey ! IT IS SO EASY !!!! BUY BOTH and THEN decide !

I would not by HD2 today. Because of windows. It's even worse since WM6.5 is becoming obsolete. HTC did great job with HD2 in masking WM. It almost seems like different OS. So I'm not entirely unhappy with it.
On the other hand I would not buy anything with smaller display today.
I would not buy any iPhone. Yes, they are cool, well thought out. Really lovely devices. But company policies suck. Also .. it is smaller then HD2.
It seems to me there is only one solution to this: Android.

xlr8me said:
I can sum it up for you in 3 words...
"No Flash Support"
End of game...
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I prob need a serious primer in what I'm doing wrong, but I was attempting to play flash videos through skyfire just tonight over my home wifi - it was a freaking joke. Literally like a slideshow.

Dr.Sid said:
I would not by HD2 today. Because of windows. It's even worse since WM6.5 is becoming obsolete. HTC did great job with HD2 in masking WM. It almost seems like different OS. So I'm not entirely unhappy with it.
On the other hand I would not buy anything with smaller display today.
I would not buy any iPhone. Yes, they are cool, well thought out. Really lovely devices. But company policies suck. Also .. it is smaller then HD2.
It seems to me there is only one solution to this: Android.
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Yeah, sorry - I forgot to say - Android is a no-no. Our IT dept (multinational, professional services firm so touchy about security) did extensive testing and Android doesn't meet our security requirements. Maybe when they get their **** together. We only just got the iPhone on our plan last year - partly due to cost negotiations, but also initially for security.

darknyt said:
Android doesn't meet our security requirements.
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That's interesting to know
Maybe u should check this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679348

DontHate said:
so basically, what you have been waiting for has finally arrived.
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Yup.
DontHate said:
the thing is you always get wacky efficiency ideas in your head when you see the light at the end of the tunnel. (the tunnel being the contract, and the light being the upgrade).
even if its not about upgrades and youre just buying phones, its intelligent to question outcomes of alternative solutions to decisions you have made.
so basically you already have an iphone. the ipod is basically all the selling points of an iphone, without the phone. if youre thinking yes, but the new iphone will be better than your current ipod touch then i guess thats true, but then whats the point of having that anyway then?
if you buy the hd2 are you gonna buy the next gen ipod touch to compensate for not having an iphone?
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It's really more about having a phone that works more consistently. Nope will stick with my current iTouch - wife and kids usually keep it at home anyway.
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i think the hd2 has been pretty much been given the overall thumbs up by most of the world now its a pretty safe bet. look at how the reviews of the tp2 etc changed over time, the hype and novelty wore off and people moved on. the reviews for the hd2 are consistant now, even picking up as they come out on more networks.
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sense is not your only option...
also, what is your phone doing that you dont want it to? running apps while youre on the phone is a big problem for many people that can be solved v easily.
if you feel like youre fighting against the fault then that is because of the user interface.
it takes too many clicks to do a lot of things in sense 2.5 too.
shortcuts help a lot. getting small apps to toggle wifi etc and do what you do commonly make your phone muuuuch easier to use.
why dont you say what you mean specifically?
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I feel I made a bad choice picking up the TP2 that really only seems like an upgraded keyboard and bigger screen compared to TP1. Other than that, same ****ty internals. They made it bigger, but didn't change anything that would actually help perf. (clarification - I only upgraded as I have written proof they will let me out of contract for free if I'm unhappy for any reason because of how badly treated me on TP1) I'm sure part of the problem is the resistive screen, but tabs often don't scroll smoothly (like laggy as hell) and I end up not where I wanted to be, or have to get there in increments (click one tab, then another to get close enough to see music). That's another thing - wish winmo made someway to always get at music app quickly - can take forever to get back into it. Phone is just often slow - like last night I was trying to get back into mail and the phone just sat there on the home screen with the clock halfway between 11 and 12, obv hanging up for 15-20 secs.
But yeah, it's mostly inputs not working when I touch them, virtual keyboard being completely ****ty for quick entries, hanging, slowing down, making me wait for it. Just not as responsive as I'd like. Again, comparing its operation to my iTouch, just very different.
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yes but so does wm. there are stable versions of everything on wm that the iphone does.
you can install many different browsers. many stable and fast.
there are many different keyboards you can install on wm too...
different looks, different layouts, built in functions like copy and paste (by holding a key), shortcuts, numberpads, swipe, commercial ones, freeware, much more flexible. you can even put the iphone keyboard skin on your 'much better' screen of the hd2.
enjoy
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madindehead said:
To sum up the HD2:
1) One of the most powerful smartphones available.
2) The best chefs on xda cook for it
3) The best programmers develop mods for it (Co0kie's Home Tab etc)
4) Smooth operation
5) Great screen for movies and browsing
6) Overall a fantastic phone
7) You can play StarCraft on it
Yes, you could wait for the next iPhone. Or the HD3. Such is technology, that whatever you buy one day, will always be obsolete the next. Live for the moment, get the HD2, you will not regret it. Even if it doesn't perform exactly as you want in stock (I had practically no problems with stock performance thankfully) just get a custom ROM, make a few tweaks (excellent thread full of tweaks in HD2 General), and it WILL be an excellent phone.
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Again, I lived for the moment and got the TP1 from my old tilt. Huge mistake. And Sprint knew it. And still jacked me around over it. I hate them.