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Nexus one keep chew up my data.

Hi, I am new to Android and just bought Nexus one.
I like every features of the phone. However, I switched off Autosync with google account and turned off even background data. Lastly I killed all of the background running apps except 3G watchdog (to check 3G usage).
And this F nexus one still downloading some data!! its downloaded like 200kb for an hour. Last week it chewed up 50MB on a day when I used data for an OTA update which was around 15MB.
I had an iPhone 3G and 3GS before, but I used iphone with push notification on and never had problem with data usage.
Why my nexus one is keep chew up my data? Am I doing something wrong?
I am sad that I need to run gmail app to see if I received new email.
PS. Last 3 days, I used data for like 5min per day and it chewed up 30MB per day. -_- Root the phone and flash with custom rom could help me out please!

download toggle data from the market place and itl switch off any data connections for you

teihoata said:
download toggle data from the market place and itl switch off any data connections for you
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Is there any other way other than just blocking 3G connection? I wish I could just use internet when I need it and download only what I used. little over is ok, but 20MB per day for nothing is not alright for me.. sigh..

reservin said:
Is there any other way other than just blocking 3G connection? I wish I could just use internet when I need it and download only what I used. little over is ok, but 20MB per day for nothing is not alright for me.. sigh..
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hmm I guess you can just use the toggle data widget and turn the data off when you are not using it, when you want to however just tap the widget and it'll turn back on for you. Is that what your looking for?

Can I ask why it is you wish to do this? Do you pay per MB?
I can understand the latter, however there is a great deal to switch off if you want to stop the phone from syncing everything.

try these
* Settings -> Wireless & networks -> Mobile networks, uncheck 'Data roaming'
* Settings -> Location & security, uncheck 'Use wireless networks'
* Settings -> Applications -> Running services, stopped all except Adriod keyboard & Live Wallpaper
* Settings -> Accounts & sync, uncheck 'Background data' and Synch is off for the accounts I have (facebook & gmail)
* Settings -> Privacy, uncheck 'Use My Location'
* Facebook -> Settings, 'Refresh interval' set to "Never". 'Notifications' set to "Inactive"
* Gmail -> Settings, 'Email notifications' set to "Never"
* Email -> Account Settings, 'Email check frequency' set to "Never"
Source : http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=0c3636b7fb44d73c&hl=en

teihoata said:
try these
* Settings -> Wireless & networks -> Mobile networks, uncheck 'Data roaming'
* Settings -> Location & security, uncheck 'Use wireless networks'
* Settings -> Applications -> Running services, stopped all except Adriod keyboard & Live Wallpaper
* Settings -> Accounts & sync, uncheck 'Background data' and Synch is off for the accounts I have (facebook & gmail)
* Settings -> Privacy, uncheck 'Use My Location'
* Facebook -> Settings, 'Refresh interval' set to "Never". 'Notifications' set to "Inactive"
* Gmail -> Settings, 'Email notifications' set to "Never"
* Email -> Account Settings, 'Email check frequency' set to "Never"
Thank you! I will try this setting and how it goes. Is there push-notification like iphone? push-notification seemed work great with using tiny amount of data.
By the way, I live in AUS and I have 250MB per month to use. If I use more than 250MB, I need to pay extra money for data usage.
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I just do not understand why Nexus one is chewing my data while its just sitting in my pocket, when iPhone did not. Imagine 10MB per day is equal to 300MB per month. I saw someone used 3weeks with 7MB download, which is understandable. Why mine doesn't..

A simple method without rooting or any other application would be:
1. Dialpad *#*#4636#*#*
2. Phone information
3. Menu
4. More
5. Disable Data Connection or Disable Data on Boot
There you go. You can enable it same way . Choose first option from 5. if you want to re-enable it without a reboot.

Ran into this problem, too. Slapped APNdroid on it since to toggle data connections, which works great except the app can be a little glitchy.

grainysand said:
Ran into this problem, too. Slapped APNdroid on it since to toggle data connections, which works great except the app can be a little glitchy.
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I downloaded APNdroid as well, but it blocks 3G phone as well. I assume that it also toggle phone connectivity.

I think it's hilarious that you're getting so upset because your SMARTPHONE uses DATA. 250mb for a month isn't nearly enough. Do yourself a favor and get 1gb at least... and enjoy your phone!

uansari1 said:
I think it's hilarious that you're getting so upset because your SMARTPHONE uses DATA. 250mb for a month isn't nearly enough. Do yourself a favor and get 1gb at least... and enjoy your phone!
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Well, 250mb for you maybe not enough. But I used it kind of enougly with iPhone. Also, it chewed up for no reason? I did not get any benefits with the usage. I wouldnt be upset if the data that spent by nexus one was beneficial for me. It's just leaking and I wanna know why is it leaking.

reservin said:
Well, 250mb for you maybe not enough. But I used it kind of enougly with iPhone. Also, it chewed up for no reason? I did not get any benefits with the usage. I wouldnt be upset if the data that spent by nexus one was beneficial for me. It's just leaking and I wanna know why is it leaking.
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man, really..
my phone is on 24/7. all day with 3G, evening with wifi.
at the end of the day i never am above 5-6 MB of data transferred in total.
Im not sure what you've installed but its not the default experience.

reservin said:
Well, 250mb for you maybe not enough. But I used it kind of enougly with iPhone. Also, it chewed up for no reason? I did not get any benefits with the usage. I wouldnt be upset if the data that spent by nexus one was beneficial for me. It's just leaking and I wanna know why is it leaking.
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I'd argue there is reason. The major focus point of the phone is so that you can receive your data on the go. I get my email, weather, news, IM, sports scores, twitter updates, etc, etc... instantly and automatically. Not only that, but my phone backs up my settings, and contacts automatically so I don't have to even think about anything when I wipe my phone to reflash a new rom.
Frankly without all that, there's not much point to the phone. You might as well just check those things from a full scale computer, and just carry a dumb phone.

Really can't see why you'd want to limit the data usage of a N1 (or any other 'smart phone'). It's completely useless without a data connection!
That said, it really shouldn't use much if you aren't doing anything with it. I only use 400Mb ish a month with plenty of use including mail/calendar etc sync all the time, plenty of web browsing, google maps, podcasts and streaming music for last fm.
Maybe you have something installed that's doing something in the background (like your data monitor!?).

I have to agree with the OP; There are cases where one would want to not get constant updates/have constant data usage, e.g. if you travel a lot (internationally), or if you're on a low budget for a period, or if you just don't have the subscription to cover it yet.

nmesisca said:
man, really..
my phone is on 24/7. all day with 3G, evening with wifi.
at the end of the day i never am above 5-6 MB of data transferred in total.
Im not sure what you've installed but its not the default experience.
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Well, I would not start this thread if my nexus one transferes data like yours. Also whatever app I've installed, I killed all of them and still chewing up data. I know this is not the default expereice, so I wrote my exprience to see if anyone else is having similar problem and to find answers from other nexus one users who spent more time with the phone than me.

GlenH said:
Really can't see why you'd want to limit the data usage of a N1 (or any other 'smart phone'). It's completely useless without a data connection!
That said, it really shouldn't use much if you aren't doing anything with it. I only use 400Mb ish a month with plenty of use including mail/calendar etc sync all the time, plenty of web browsing, google maps, podcasts and streaming music for last fm.
Maybe you have something installed that's doing something in the background (like your data monitor!?).
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When my nexus one had setting like your nexus one (first day I received), it chewed up 70mb on that day. I would be happy if my N1 uses the data like yours.
(This is for everyone who read this thread)
By the way, why the hell people replies with their opinion about the data plan for N1? I wrote this on the other forum and I am getting completely different answers. I did not started this thread to ask how much data plan do I need for N1. Why is everyone is just saying get a more data usage plan, smartphone needs a huge data plan. Well, N1 is not my first smartphone and I know I need bigger data plan one day. But before I get a bigger data plan, I want to find out why my N1 is using more data than other users

does it have to do with the rom ur using?
maybe weather update plugin or something random like that?
why dont u try flashing it to the stock rom with no apps installed and give it a try?

Is it possible to log data connections?

Since yesterday my HD2 has been trying to connect to the internet, but i have no applications open.
I want to find out which process is making the connection, Any ideas?
Just for background, i installed the metal-detector and Co0kies home tab 1.6.1 yesterday... is there any reason why either of these would try to connect?

weather?
location?
twitter?

trev666 said:
weather?
location?
twitter?
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no, all on manual update.

you could wait till it connects and pop into taskmanager and see what is running

shagster69 said:
no, all on manual update.
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Time? Mail?

kilrah said:
Time? Mail?
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time? i didn't know that could be update a server... but whose server would it go to? O2's? Microsoft?
where is the setting for that?

Settings -> data services, like the others... Just make sure all the items on there are deactivated.
Most likely uses the same servers/sources than desktop PCs.

kilrah said:
Settings -> data services, like the others... Just make sure all the items on there are deactivated.
Most likely uses the same servers/sources than desktop PCs.
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Ah yes, thanks for that.
but, no that's off too.

Facebook idea?

Excuse this if its just plain dumb but I wanted to throw it out there.
Would there be a way to make an app that insted of polling facebook every "minutes" it would receive the data from a web server? The server would do the dirty work of gathering the data every so many minutes and if anything changed it would hn send it to yooour phone. sounds a bit stupid when I typed it out but when i thought of it it was killer...lol.
Sent from my HERO200 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

Jon.StatiK said:
Excuse this if its just plain dumb but I wanted to throw it out there.
Would there be a way to make an app that insted of polling facebook every "minutes" it would receive the data from a web server? The server would do the dirty work of gathering the data every so many minutes and if anything changed it would hn send it to yooour phone. sounds a bit stupid when I typed it out but when i thought of it it was killer...lol.
Sent from my HERO200 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
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What you're talking about is called "push" notifications, because instead of the phone "pulling" the data down, the server "pushes" it out to you. You'll have to wait for the Facebook team to add this functionality to their app

SwornPacifist said:
What you're talking about is called "push" notifications, because instead of the phone "pulling" the data down, the server "pushes" it out to you. You'll have to wait for the Facebook team to add this functionality to their app
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no, not correct
just someone to do the server/app,
doesn't need to be the Facebook team at all

What re the benefits of having content pushed to you instead of being pulled by the phone?

DBBGBA said:
What re the benefits of having content pushed to you instead of being pulled by the phone?
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for your phone to pull, it has to use the network which will use battery, doing this often will use more battery.
with a push, you get two things
'real time' ( well, there will be some latency )
less battery use, as your phone only 'does stuff', when there is something to do

juice defender

does anyone know if its possible to run juice defender and still have background sync work for gmail? or is it that you just end up with syncing 1 time out of every 15 minutes? I enabled gmail to use the data connection but i assume that would only be when gmail is actually open. so what happens now when gmail trys to sync, will it just fail?

I'm curious about this as well. I use K9-Mail as well as GMail. If my sync interval is set to 5 minutes, but Juice Defender only turns on data every 15 minutes, which one wins? I assume Juice Defender and that the apps will just silently fail to update and try again later. Is that right?

beats me, but I'm probably going to uninstall this, I don't mind turning off the data, but not to the extend that i'm neutering my 2010 phone to do it. I mean seriously, it can't just check for sync on applications and activate the 3g? and turn off when the thing has the screen closed except for syncing? I'd expect an app to work like this one does 10 years ago. the phone is smarter than the app attempting to control it.

Yes, the inboxes won't sync while data is off. So worst case scenario you have a 15 minute delay between getting emails. You can set it to a faster data sync time - like 5 minutes. But you might only be able to do that with the paid app - UltimateJuice - I'm not sure.
I don't think the phone can do what you're wanting to do because of the way push email works. Generally, and I could be wrong here, Gmail works like other push email systems in that it requires a constant data connection (Like IMAP Idle) to notify when a new email comes in. The sync'ing you're talking about is more like a pull than a push. The problem with pulling is that it is way more taxing on the battery since it's actively checking at certain intervals if there are new emails. And if juicedefender was set to turn on 3g whenever something tried to pull - firstly the service would use way more battery than it's saving since it would constantly poll to see if anything is requesting a data connection, secondly, data would almost always be on - defeating the purpose.

robl45 said:
does anyone know if its possible to run juice defender and still have background sync work for gmail? or is it that you just end up with syncing 1 time out of every 15 minutes? I enabled gmail to use the data connection but i assume that would only be when gmail is actually open. so what happens now when gmail trys to sync, will it just fail?
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Actually yes. The free version allows you to specify which 1 app that can bypass the data blocking. The paid version let's you specify more. (click on the "Apps" button then "configure apps" in juice defender setup)

I have JD & UJ installed, i think i have it configured ok, I have it set so no data while screen is off but I still get gmail come thru when screen is off.
I have the schedule set to check every 2 hours, does this over rule the setting for no data while screen is off.
I wish there was an extensive guide provided with these types of apps

djcsurf said:
I wish there was an extensive guide provided with these types of apps
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That's why JD just got uninstalled.
Grr, I want my Blackberry back. I could have everything ON and still get 3+ days between charges.

I use the free version and can confirm that it is at most a 15 minute delay between emails. Its not really a big deal. It is just as responsive.
I get about 50% more battery life with the default settings.

JD is easy to understand and setup. You guys need a guide?
And no, you can't have Gmail syncing automatically by setting that particular app to keep data connection active or you have basically just made juicedefender useless.
You set it up to prefer wifi, turn data off with the screen. You set the timer to allow data connection on whatever schedule you want, ie 5 minutes every 2 hours. Then you are done. Do you really need a guide written to explain this? Then your emails will come through during whatever window you set up, ie 5 minutes every 2 hours.

muyoso said:
JD is easy to understand and setup. You guys need a guide?
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Isn't it funny people on a developers forum want a guide for one app......

muyoso said:
JD is easy to understand and setup. You guys need a guide?
And no, you can't have Gmail syncing automatically by setting that particular app to keep data connection active or you have basically just made juicedefender useless.
You set it up to prefer wifi, turn data off with the screen. You set the timer to allow data connection on whatever schedule you want, ie 5 minutes every 2 hours. Then you are done. Do you really need a guide written to explain this? Then your emails will come through during whatever window you set up, ie 5 minutes every 2 hours.
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I just have one JD question.. probably a dumb one..
I typically toggle my data manually. But I think I'd like to try letting JD do it's thing (turn data on for 2 minutes, twice per hour)..
So do I leave my manual toggle in the on, or off position? Their instructions are unclear (or I'm looking in the wrong place..)
In other words, if I have data manually toggled off, will JD override that and do it's thing?
Or do I have to leave data toggled on for JD to work?

[Q] Getting Gmail to update when deleting emails from computer?

Hi,
I have an issue that I'm not sure how to solve.
I have a Gmail account that I access via the TF and my X10 phone, and my laptop.
When I do things like delete mail from my laptop gmail, and then I open up gmail on my TF (or my X10 for that matter) those same emails will still be there...I have to manually delete them from my android devices.
Is there a setting I'm missing that needs to be set differently?

rpavich said:
When I do things like delete mail from my laptop gmail, and then I open up gmail on my TF (or my X10 for that matter) those same emails will still be there...I have to manually delete them from my android devices.
Is there a setting I'm missing that needs to be set differently?
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How long are you waiting between the moment you delete the e-mail(s) from your laptop and the moment you check your devices to see if they register that the e-mail(s) are actually gone? When you access your Gmail account from your laptop are you using the web-based Gmail page or have you setup your favoured e-mail client to receive them instead? If you're using the web-based method then try waiting a few minutes for your Android devices to catch up to the latest change, it should eventually sync the changes.

jonitfcfan said:
How long are you waiting between the moment you delete the e-mail(s) from your laptop and the moment you check your devices to see if they register that the e-mail(s) are actually gone?
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Half hour?
jonitfcfan said:
When you access your Gmail account from your laptop are you using the web-based Gmail page or have you setup your favoured e-mail client to receive them instead?
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Web version
jonitfcfan said:
If you're using the web-based method then try waiting a few minutes for your Android devices to catch up to the latest change, it should eventually sync the changes.
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Ok....when I set the imap folder sync what should it be set at? "all" or 2 days...4 days...what?

rpavich said:
Half hour?
Web version
Ok....when I set the imap folder sync what should it be set at? "all" or 2 days...4 days...what?
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That's weird , after only a minute or so of making changes to my Gmail account such as changing a message's label my devices usually have caught up by then. The changes to my mind should get sent to your TF when you next connect to WiFi, or if you're already connected it should get 'pushed' within a minute or two. As for how often you 'should' sync your folders, your choice .

Well maybe something is set wrong on my android devices....
I can be out...delete a read email on my phone, an hour later go to my TF or my laptop and have to delete the same email from there.

rpavich said:
Well maybe something is set wrong on my android devices....
I can be out...delete a read email on my phone, an hour later go to my TF or my laptop and have to delete the same email from there.
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Try the other way round, i.e. delete an e-mail or make some other change like a label change on the TF first, then check the phone and tell me if anything different happens.

I take it that you are not using the Gmail app?
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Dave

jonitfcfan said:
Try the other way round, i.e. delete an e-mail or make some other change like a label change on the TF first, then check the phone and tell me if anything different happens.
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That went really fast...maybe one minute or so. I deleted it off of the TF and within 1 minute it was off of my phone and I checked Gmail on the laptop and it was gone too...
Maybe it's only when deleting from the web version that it takes a while to be gone from the tf?
I'll try again...maybe this was all my imagination...or there was just a temporary glitch.

foxmeister said:
I take it that you are not using the Gmail app?
Regards,
Dave
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In the TF?
Yes. right from inside the TF...not the web based one.

rpavich said:
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That went really fast...maybe one minute or so. I deleted it off of the TF and within 1 minute it was off of my phone and I checked Gmail on the laptop and it was gone too...
Maybe it's only when deleting from the web version that it takes a while to be gone from the tf?
I'll try again...maybe this was all my imagination...or there was just a temporary glitch.
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Check the account sync settings on your phone, perhaps your phone isn't currently set to auto-sync any changes or new stuff to your account.

The only thing this sounds like is that you have syncing turned off.

rpavich said:
In the TF?
Yes. right from inside the TF...not the web based one.
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I mean the TF app called "Gmail" as opposed to the one that is called "Email" - the reason I ask is that you are talking about IMAP and the Gmail app does not use IMAP.
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Dave

The IMAP settings are in my phone...not the TF.
I'm not sure what's going on now...it seems to be working fine....I think that there was a setting wrong and I also wasn't paying attention to what was going on...