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MT3G Owners: With Google - Why?

Alright guys, I'm a relatively new android user owning the MT3G since the day it came out. As it stands, I'm pretty confused with google's branding and partnership with my device. As it stands, even though I have a "with google" device, I don't receive updates for their operating system first, they only go to the highest bidder or newest tech despite the fact that my phone is less than 3 months old. I don't receive any special updates other than the updates everyone else gets as well. All of the applications "with google" are available free from the market. My "with google" version has 100+mb less ram than the normal HTC Magic. HTC offers their customers the Sense UI. Motorola entices customers with Blur. Google customers get... nothing. For the life of me, I cannot figure out why any customer after doing some research, would want to have a "google experience" phone. So far, my personal experience has been: With Google = **** you.
To me it just seems like an expensive name drop and a lubeless fist to their customers, or am I just completely missing all the amazing features of my google device?

you (should) get OTA updates ... devices which dont have the "with Google" dont and need to wipe for every update (and there is no 1.6 for HTC magic ...)

Mr. Nefarious said:
Alright guys, I'm a relatively new android user owning the MT3G since the day it came out. As it stands, I'm pretty confused with google's branding and partnership with my device. As it stands, even though I have a "with google" device, I don't receive updates for their operating system first, they only go to the highest bidder or newest tech despite the fact that my phone is less than 3 months old. I don't receive any special updates other than the updates everyone else gets as well. All of the applications "with google" are available free from the market. My "with google" version has 100+mb less ram than the normal HTC Magic. HTC offers their customers the Sense UI. Motorola entices customers with Blur. Google customers get... nothing. For the life of me, I cannot figure out why any customer after doing some research, would want to have a "google experience" phone. So far, my personal experience has been: With Google = **** you.
To me it just seems like an expensive name drop and a lubeless fist to their customers, or am I just completely missing all the amazing features of my google device?
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Btw the Verizon Hero has the 'with google' branding and it has Sense UI, so I'm not sure that 'with google' really means anything on Android phones. It certainly does not make them exclusive in any way.

Its not google that youre pissed at its "Teen-Mobile". They had the first Android (g1) over a year ago. It took them an entire year to release the MT3G, that means it took them an entire year to add a small amount of internal memory, and NO ram. thats the only improvement they could manage.
I feel your pain, its pretty embarrassing to be with a company who's third and "best" Android, the culmination of over a year of work is still literally worse, according to hardware and overall capability than ANY of their competitor's Android phones.
Im pretty sure they cut the ram by a third because they knew that they had the Cliq coming out after the MT3G, and it has 256mb ram so if they didnt screw the MT3G then the Cliq wouldnt have much to make it an improvement. I not sure what TMO's angle is but it definitely isnt consumer friendly

sim-value said:
you (should) get OTA updates ... devices which dont have the "with Google" dont and need to wipe for every update (and there is no 1.6 for HTC magic ...)
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i beg to differ i have 1.6 on mytouch aka HTC magic

sim-value said:
you (should) get OTA updates ... devices which dont have the "with Google" dont and need to wipe for every update (and there is no 1.6 for HTC magic ...)
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The "with Google" has nothing to do with if you get OTA updates or not. OTA updates depend on the carrier. Some Sprint Heros have the "with Google" branding, but it will not receive OTA updates, instead they have to update it through computer because Sprint doesn't send OTA updates, so I've heard.
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i beg to differ i have 1.6 on mytouch aka HTC magic
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Actually, the mytouch and htc magic are different, that's why we have 32a and 32b roms and not to be hurtful or anything but he did say the devices that don't have the "with Google " dont get ota updates and last time I checked, the mytouch has it and the HTC Magic doesn't.

Im not concerned about the absence of sense ui or motoblur, because i like the vanilla android the most.
Im more concerned, as you are, about the lack of updates for android. It's really weird that they cant come up with some sort of standard making it possible to update an androidphone like magic to 2.0. Noone knows if 2.0 will come to magic. Thats what concerns me.

Im not concerned about the absence of sense ui or motoblur, because i like the vanilla android the most.
Im more concerned, as you are, about the lack of updates for android. It's really weird that they cant come up with some sort of standard making it possible to update an androidphone like magic to 2.0. Noone knows if 2.0 will come to magic. Thats what concerns me.

If anything, 2.0 should come to the magic because it has enough space. Phones with custom UIs will have to wait, since the UIs will also need to be updated.

Anartic said:
The "with Google" has nothing to do with if you get OTA updates or not. OTA updates depend on the carrier. Some Sprint Heros have the "with Google" branding, but it will not receive OTA updates, instead they have to update it through computer because Sprint doesn't send OTA updates, so I've heard.
Actually, the mytouch and htc magic are different, that's why we have 32a and 32b roms and not to be hurtful or anything but he did say the devices that don't have the "with Google " dont get ota updates and last time I checked, the mytouch has it and the HTC Magic doesn't.
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well i have the "htc magic/mytouch 32B" and im sure i have it on there but we both right lol

djungelmums said:
Im not concerned about the absence of sense ui or motoblur, because i like the vanilla android the most.
Im more concerned, as you are, about the lack of updates for android. It's really weird that they cant come up with some sort of standard making it possible to update an androidphone like magic to 2.0. Noone knows if 2.0 will come to magic. Thats what concerns me.
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I don't understand why there is so much discussion on whether the Magic will get Android 2.0. It is only 6 months old in Europe, and even younger than that in the states. I thought the whole idea of Android was it was designed to be an upgradeble OS. Seems obvious to me that it will get the 2.0 upgrade - and 2.5 and 3.0 until the hardware is no longer capable. HTC would not abandon a device that has been out less than a year.

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I don't understand why there is so much discussion on whether the Magic will get Android 2.0. It is only 6 months old in Europe, and even younger than that in the states. I thought the whole idea of Android was it was designed to be an upgradeble OS. Seems obvious to me that it will get the 2.0 upgrade - and 2.5 and 3.0 until the hardware is no longer capable. HTC would not abandon a device that has been out less than a year.
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I think people are just nervous that since the G1 might not get the update, even though it's less only a little over a year old, the MT3G/Magic will stop getting updates soon.

HTC Evo 4G to get Froyo next?

As previously reported, we all know that the Google Nexus One will be the first to get the Android 2.2 update OTA. Our guess was that Motorola Droid and HTC Incredible would be next but now new information has come to light that shows another contender.Bill from Android Forum has just informed us that his contact at Sprint has revealed that the HTC Evo 4G will be second to receive the Android 2.2 update. So basically Sprint will be rolling out the update in the same month of the Evo 4G's release ( release date rumored to be Labor day or after speculations that the HTC Evo 4G will come with 5GB to 8GB ROM OZCAR will be attending the Google I/O event this year and will report back on Android 2.2's ong list of goodies. At the moment, we know that it includes Flash support and will free up additional RAM. Furthermore there is now news that since Google bought BumpTop, Android 2.2 could even bring your phone a 3D home screen!
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http://www.ozcarguide.com/technology/cellphone-pda/2961-htc-evo-4g-android-22-nexus-one
Credible source, or random speculation?
What do Nexus owner's have now? Sexiness, developer support? We still get Froyo first - but not as "first" as people thought.

I'm trying to figure out why you're upset? Because EVO is going to get 2.2?
Exactly what OS would you propose the EVO get? Are all devices supposed to sit at 2.1 and the Nexus only get upgrades?
The Nexus gets it first, I'm thrilled, and it's all a Nexus owner can hope for.
I'm glad the EVO will launch with 2.2. I want to see Android do well, HTC too.
Oh, and what do I have now? The best mobile device I've ever owned, that's what.

Old MuckenMire said:
I'm trying to figure out why you're upset? Because EVO is going to get 2.2?
Exactly what OS would you propose the EVO get? Are all devices supposed to sit at 2.1 and the Nexus only get upgrades?
The Nexus gets it first, I'm thrilled, and it's all a Nexus owner can hope for.
I'm glad the EVO will launch with 2.2. I want to see Android do well, HTC too.
Oh, and what do I have now? The best mobile device I've ever owned, that's what.
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I'm not upset lol, I included the last part in order to cause frustration among people who thought the Nexus was going to get updated months before the Incredible, Evo, and other Android devices. Google is slowly stopping fragmentation though, and we only know that the Evo is possibly getting it so soon.
In order to start conversation, you must include controversial, irritable, or suspicious questions. People start to talk then..
People were using Froyo coming to us quickly as an excuse to not get the Incredible, or Evo - that can't be used for long.

very sad.... rooted nexus one can't get update for froyo even if u revert back to original stock rom ... right ?? i am very sad lol

xzr3b0rnzx said:
very sad.... rooted nexus one can't get update for froyo even if u revert back to original stock rom ... right ?? i am very sad lol
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dont be sad because even though you wont get the actual OTA someone who did might be kind enough to post it. root or not rooted users will both end up with the update. the only difference will be how you get it.

Nah, the stock 2.2 rom may very well be available to flash before the unmodded guys get the ota. You're not going to miss out on anything so no worries.

XDA will see it before EVO

A) No, ozcarguide is NOT a credible source. I have my news Widget set to check for "Android" and ozcarguide often pops up with news posts that are totally garbage.
Basic rule of thumb: don't trust lesser-known websites that post articles and don't have comments. If they don't have comments, that means the site isn't popular enough and may just be filled with BS in order to get page views. Also, don't trust news "articles" that are 2-3 paragraphs long.
B) I too don't understand why you're upset. Android has been absolutely blasted by every news source on the internet for fragmentation issues.
Google's goal is now (or should be to quiet people down) to have every SINGLE device running 2.2 the day it's released.
C) Stock Android devices will get 2.2 working MUCH earlier than Sense UI devices. Even if the article is true (which I'm betting it's not), it only says the Evo 4G will receive 2.2 "second". Nowhere does it give a specific time frame aside from "the same month" it's released.
2.2 could come out June 1st for the N1 and hit the Evo on June 30th. And remember, the June release for the Evo is still rumor at best.
D) Like galaxys posted, the N1 will be running 2.2 within minutes of it being released (or leaked)

Paul22000 said:
A) No, ozcarguide is NOT a credible source. I have my news Widget set to check for "Android" and ozcarguide often pops up with news posts that are totally garbage.
Basic rule of thumb: don't trust lesser-known websites that post articles and don't have comments. If they don't have comments, that means the site isn't popular enough and may just be filled with BS in order to get page views. Also, don't trust news "articles" that are 2-3 paragraphs long.
B) I too don't understand why you're upset. Android has been absolutely blasted by every news source on the internet for fragmentation issues.
Google's goal is now (or should be to quiet people down) to have every SINGLE device running 2.2 the day it's released.
C) Stock Android devices will get 2.2 working MUCH earlier than Sense UI devices. Even if the article is true (which I'm betting it's not), it only says the Evo 4G will receive 2.2 "second". Nowhere does it give a specific time frame aside from "the same month" it's released.
2.2 could come out June 1st for the N1 and hit the Evo on June 30th. And remember, the June release for the Evo is still rumor at best.
D) Like galaxys posted, the N1 will be running 2.2 within minutes of it being released (or leaked)
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You did notice I said I wasn't upset it like the third post?
I know that Stock Google Experience devices (as I have started calling then instead of Vanilla) will get Android first, that is obvious.. it kinda irritates me when people explain things that are already blatantly obvious to me in the first place, I honestly don't know why I posted this myself considering how sad the site looks.
Though, if it was true (which I think was my point), then the Nexus having Froyo quicker than other devices won't matter regardless since they will be getting it hypothetically in the same time frame. Even if we get it a few weeks earlier than everyone else, I wanted to make it known that the Nexus will not be necessarily the only "next gen" Android device that will feature Froyo in a timely manner. Putting statements such as "I will be laughing at you as you're waiting months for the Incredible to be finally updated" to shame. Which I have heard, here as well, trying to make it as if he Nexus is better the other Android devices because it can get updates more quickly. This is all hypothetical of course.

xzr3b0rnzx said:
very sad.... rooted nexus one can't get update for froyo even if u revert back to original stock rom ... right ?? i am very sad lol
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guys, cant believe you never checked this Sticky Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614850

I don't understand why people get upset when more devices come out. my nexus is just as solidly built and beautiful looking no matter what comes out next. incredible? looks worse, same specs. this is Google's phone until Google releases the next "Google phone", and that isn't the evo or incredible or desire. nexus one is the top dog, flagship phone until the nexus 2 is released. so enjoy your phone in the present!

Its an operating system update on a mobile phone. No one is getting laid because they got froyo first. Supermodels will not fall all over themselves when you show them your about screen. If others else gets it soon or at the same time, I say more power to them.

Eclair~ said:
In order to start conversation, you must include controversial, irritable, or suspicious questions. People start to talk then..
People were using Froyo coming to us quickly as an excuse to not get the Incredible, or Evo - that can't be used for long.
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No, sweetie, that's called trolling. Adults don't start discussions that way.

Not a reliable source and just speculation. I would say Droid gets 2.2 same time as N1 since Google is using both as dev phones and they both run stock.

I was confused as to why you said that in the OP, and then later on said otherwise.
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No, sweetie, that's called trolling. Adults don't start discussions that way.
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I tend to agree...

krabman said:
No one is getting laid because they got froyo first.
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That's not true. My wife gets all hot and bothered when I geek out on her.

Labor day is sept isnt ?
That evo is taking that long to launch ?? Good lord.
Im glad Android experiences will be similar across all devices. Stupid sense UI slowing things down for other phones.
Only thing to be excited about is flash though. Ram and Colorballs etc is already on custom ROMS. I did like the "always update" on market apps.

xManMythLegend said:
Only thing to be excited about is flash though. Ram and Colorballs etc is already on custom ROMS. I did like the "always update" on market apps.
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Yeah but those of us who haven't rooted yet get lots of goodies. Colorball will be new for me
I personally will not use the always update option. Some of my apps work perfect and I've been burned before by updating and it either breaking the app, or it takes a feature I love away. Now I backup using astro and wait to see what the update entails.

FM transmitter in Froyo

No mention of it on the Andriod Developers Blog.
Guess we're not going to get it.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/05/android-22-and-developers-goodies.html

Yeah we didn't hear about alot of stuff (360* rotation, colored trackball alters, copy and past in gmail, etc) but I LOVE Froyo and I am cool with it as long as Google keeps making progress toward perfection

FM is hardware. FroYo is software. It would make no sense to talk about that.
The goal was to talk about the OS, which ALL Android devices have. Not all devices have an FM radio.

Also it's kind of a weird feature, and nobody really cares that much about FM-related technology anymore (I do, since my car is a few years old).
And yes, it's hardware-specific and wouldn't have fit in well at an Android presentation.

Paul22000 said:
FM is hardware. FroYo is software. It would make no sense to talk about that.
The goal was to talk about the OS, which ALL Android devices have. Not all devices have an FM radio.
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Sometimes you see a quote that answer's all questions and shuts a thread down cold... this is one of those quotes

ap3604 said:
Yeah we didn't hear about alot of stuff (360* rotation, colored trackball alters, copy and past in gmail, etc) but I LOVE Froyo and I am cool with it as long as Google keeps making progress toward perfection
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You can now select text in Gmail:
engadget.com/photos/android-2-1-eclair-vs-2-2-froyo-food-fight/#2998604

gThree said:
You can now select text in Gmail:
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gThree = Hero
Thanks for making my day

Paul22000 said:
FM is hardware. FroYo is software. It would make no sense to talk about that.
The goal was to talk about the OS, which ALL Android devices have. Not all devices have an FM radio.
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N1 does have the FM transmitter but does not have the firmware to support it. FroYo is "Firmware/OS" not software. I would also like to be able to stream music to my car wirelessly via FM

ap3604 said:
Sometimes you see a quote that answer's all questions and shuts a thread down cold... this is one of those quotes
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I'm pretty sure the Hardware REQUIRES Software to work properly...
Maybe that quote wasn't so cold after all...

His point is that the N1 would need a firmware update, and accompanying software, that are N1 specific, in order to enable the FM transceiver, if there is actually even one confirmed to be in the thing.
Froyo is an update to the entire OS, and because not all devices have an FM transceiver, and that is absolutely true, then the release will almost certainly not contain FM radio specific material

What they mean is that what we were given today are pure Froyo functionalities. What we can expect of Froyo on all handsets.
When they'll launch the N1 Froyo OTA, then you'll have release notes for this particular release, with a list of points concerning the N1, period.
Orange and Apples here.
Off topic :
I'm glad we can no select text in gmail. Now the last thing I'm hoping from Froyo is a little correction to the contact app (So that you can choose the display name of your contacts when you join them with facebook/twitter contacts, and that it no longer defaults to the alphabetically greater name).

Some people seem to be confusing froyo with the official N1 hardware specfic update to froyo. Today is the former, at some point yet unannounced we get the latter. In my mind it is extremely unlikely that the official ota for the nexus one will not include some hardware specific bug fixes and additions along with froyo. While it is exciting to see the happenings with froyo my expectation is that the real goods will be in hand when the actual N1 update itself leaks or is released. For us there is more coming beyond froyo.
edit... ya ninja'ed me arcanna lol

My OP was based on threads posted in this forum as well as the Nexus Q & A section.
As seen here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681924

krabman said:
Some people seem to be confusing froyo with the official N1 hardware specfic update to froyo. Today is the former, at some point yet unannounced we get the latter. In my mind it is extremely unlikely that the official ota for the nexus one will not include some hardware specific bug fixes and additions along with froyo. While it is exciting to see the happenings with froyo my expectation is that the real goods will be in hand when the actual N1 update itself leaks or is released. For us there is more coming beyond froyo.
edit... ya ninja'ed me arcanna lol
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You phrased it better than be though, so it's a welcomed addition. ^^

Verizon & Motorola Strike Exclusie Gingerbread Deal?!

As reported by androidandme.com, It seems as though an agreement has been made for Verizon and Motorola to have the first phone to ship* with Gingerbread (2.5).
http://androidandme.com/2010/09/news/motorola-and-verizon-score-gingerbread-exclusive/
As stated above, the wording seems to be first shipped* with GB, not necessarily first device to receive the update. With Verizon having the largest ad campaign for Android phones, coupled with the farthest deviation from the stock OS, it does a lot to harm (dis-unify) the Brand Identity of Android.

Read it, and not only is everything in that article speculation; It doesn't say a damn thing about Verizon/Motorola getting a Gingerbread deal (with any real proof). In fact, nothing in that article has any proof.
I hate this read.

So far the nexus has gotten everything first. Lets hope we get a taste of gingerbread as well.

The N1 will be among the first to get it, does it really matter that much which phone ships with it first?

There is so much misinformation that article, out reads like the onion.

Pfft, whats the big deal.. someone will be first, why not motorola.
Besides, since we're here at xda, u'll get the gingerbread before those phones hit the market anyway.
And I'm sure that google won't let exclusivity for android phones. Not that it's even possible with an open-source system.

IF any other crappy phone takes Gingerbread BEFORE my Nexus...
I´ll put it on Ebay and pick an Iphone4:
At least I´ll have the security that my phone will be up to date on time and that at least it will deliver what promises: antenna malfunction included.

Sounds like more mis-information The Nexus 1 will hopefully get it 1st

the nexus is googles official dev phone. which means gingerbread is most likely being developed using a nexus so i doubt any other phones will recieve it first unless google has another dev phone by then

There´s only one positive answer to the thread´s question:
-Motorola Strike= Nexus Two

DarkDvr said:
1- Besides, since we're here at xda, u'll get the gingerbread before those phones hit the market anyway.
2- And I'm sure that google won't let exclusivity for android phones. Not that it's even possible with an open-source system.
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if google holds onto the source until a phone ships with gingerbread then not only would that phone have it before the n1 (1) but that would also give android exclusivitiy (2) which in the long run may actually really help both android and google (and of course motorola and verizon ).
Now obviously roms leak all the time and some hacked up version would land on the n1 but to me it seems that doesn't count. AOSP and OTA are what count for an update being "official"...no?
and really...who cares?

Why I think the Nexus One will see Gingerbread first?
Because Motorola loads up their devices with Bloatware. Motorola can not even release the Milestone with 2.2 until Q1 2011 to get it to work with the MotoBLur software.

Dude I don't understand why some of yall actually think the N1 won't see gingerbread first. I'm almost sure Google has stated somewhere that it is. Also the N1 is the google developer phone. Even if it's not there to buy anymore, it's still google's developer phone..... they have said that.
We got 2.2 first, months before some. Why wouldn't we get 2.5/.3.0 (whatever they decide to call it) first? We will...

Being old I long since lost the need to dickslap. Who cares who gets it first, more power to them. There is no doubt we will get it in short order regardless of whether we are actually the first. That is in contrast to many which will never recieve it without downloading it via a custom rom which the vast majority are not even aware they can do. I am glad I am where I am with phones, there is still not another piece of hardware out there I percieve as being worth a spend. I suspect as it continues to age another developer phone will be annointed and I'll be there. Its good to keep in mind that google said they were getting out of the business model, not out of developing a phone period or having a part in the development of a new handset.

ok, so here is how android works. Google makes/upgrades Android, this is a very basic version (stock OS). This version is only able to work with the dev phones. It is then up to the responsobility of the maufacturere (moto, htc, etc) to get it to work with their phone. So the instant that gingerbread is completed it only works for the Nexus One, it then takes weeks/months for other manufactures to get it working on their specific phones. So too fool yourself into thinking that the nexus one wont get the Os update first is just false. The dev phones will ALWAYS get the updates first, assmuming the hardware can handle it.
P.S. I concider the moto droid a dev phone even though it officially was not one.

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Dude I don't understand why some of yall actually think the N1 won't see gingerbread first. I'm almost sure Google has stated somewhere that it is. Also the N1 is the google developer phone. Even if it's not there to buy anymore, it's still google's developer phone..... they have said that.
We got 2.2 first, months before some. Why wouldn't we get 2.5/.3.0 (whatever they decide to call it) first? We will...
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Techincally when N1 got 2.2 the "developer phone" was the mytouch, so the current dev phone doesn't always get the update first.
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JCopernicus said:
Techincally when N1 got 2.2 the "developer phone" was the mytouch, so the current dev phone doesn't always get the update first.
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Actually the dev phone was the HTC magic, mytouch was a carrier version. Technically your right, but I'm guessing as soon as Google's baby, the nexus, was released it took over dev status even if not officially announced
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didnt the deal say something about the first phone to keyword SHIP with gingerbread, I have confidence that the N1 will be the first phone to get Gingerbread

with gingerbread right around the corner...

ive been practicing moving away from sense. i suppose even cyanogen doesnt even come close, but i got to wondering...is there anyone in the world who would stay at 2.2 just for the sake of sense?

When was the expected date for ginger, again?

igotsthemagicinme said:
ive been practicing moving away from sense. i suppose even cyanogen doesnt even come close, but i got to wondering...is there anyone in the world who would stay at 2.2 just for the sake of sense?
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Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.

Award Tour said:
Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.
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you wanna put mulah on that one

werxen said:
When was the expected date for ginger, again?
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obviously its all rumors until it happens (2.1 on the hero proved that) but everywhere i look i see mid-october

Award Tour said:
Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.
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you wanna put mulah on that one
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Still just rumors but here you go
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/07/23...oid-3-0-gingerbread-won’t-support-custom-uis/
From what I've seen recently, Gingerbread will be 2.3, 2.4, or something like that. Honeycomb is now 3.0. Everything I've read says that Gingerbread won't be a huge change from Froyo and that Honeycomb will become available, first on tablets with phones to follow, early next year. All still just speculation though.

igotsthemagicinme said:
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Not really but a lot of Gingerbread rumors were spun to hell.
1) Techcrunch was the originator of the no skin rumor. All they said was that a couple of sources close to the Android team told them that Gingerbread's UI/UX aims to be so good that skins would become obsolete. They never said that skins were banned. In fact, banning skins would completely break the open source nature of the AOSP. But of course a couple of blogs spun this as meaning that Sense/Touchwiz/etc was dead.
2) The Gingerbread minimum required specs - like it requiring a 1GHz CPU, etc. They were deemed false by Google. Of course you still have idiots claiming that the G2 w/ it's faster 800 MHz CPU is ineligible for Gingerbread.
I believe that Gingerbread will be amazing and will finally surpass iOS in UI/UX. But I also believe that HTC's software/design team is lead by a bunch of idiots that think they can out perform Google's team. Hence why I think Sense wont die.

ausch30 said:
Still just rumors but here you go
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/07/23...oid-3-0-gingerbread-won’t-support-custom-uis/
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i call bs. thatd be the first article ive read that concludes with htc updating sense. i dont believe it, but maybe im biased since im a cyanwarrior. for the sake of the convo though, lets assume 3.0 is. already released..with no sense. do you stay at 2.2 for the weather animations, or move on up to the ranks of the GODS?

Award Tour said:
Not really but a lot of Gingerbread rumors were spun to hell.
1) Techcrunch was the originator of the no skin rumor. All they said was that a couple of sources close to the Android team told them that Gingerbread's UI/UX aims to be so good that skins would become obsolete. They never said that skins were banned. In fact, banning skins would completely break the open source nature of the AOSP. But of course a couple of blogs spun this as meaning that Sense/Touchwiz/etc was dead.
2) The Gingerbread minimum required specs - like it requiring a 1GHz CPU, etc. They were deemed false by Google. Of course you still have idiots claiming that the G2 w/ it's faster 800 MHz CPU is ineligible for Gingerbread.
I believe that Gingerbread will be amazing and will finally surpass iOS in UI/UX. But I also believe that HTC's software/design team is lead by a bunch of idiots that think they can out perform Google's team. Hence why I think Sense wont die.
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LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?

igotsthemagicinme said:
LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?
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I don't have a problem with sense but, as you can see in my avatar, Mine is heavily modified (Riptide8). If it's there, people will mod it. If it's not, people will still mod it.

igotsthemagicinme said:
LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?
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I already use CM. I refuse to use any Sense ROM. I've said this before but I was just about ready to return my EVO because of Sense.

Award Tour said:
I already use CM. I refuse to use any Sense ROM. I've said this before but I was just about ready to return my EVO because of Sense.
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well according to the rumors we're pretending are real, even cm doesnt come close. in fact, all devs will literally have to start from scratch, hypothetically speaking...

igotsthemagicinme said:
well according to the rumors we're pretending are real, even cm doesnt come close. in fact, all devs will literally have to start from scratch, hypothetically speaking...
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I don't get what you are trying to say.

he is saying that he buys in to the tech blogs (which have huge reputations for spreading many false or spun rumors) that gingerbread (or 3.0) will be so amazing that nothing done previously will compare and everyone will need to start developing mods based on this new version from scratch. Also that companies that have spent millions on there "us" will drop them completely even though they have promoted them as part of there brand and have many people who really like them.
Personally i don't see it happening a lot of the same hype came while waiting for froyo. I wouldn't call it on the level of the "GODS" compared to 2.1. I personally remove as much of sense as possible from roms as is so for me it would just make my job easier however i dont see it happening logically speaking.

You can rest assured that HTC will continue to put Sense on their phones - even after Gingerbread, Honeycomb, etc...
They just completely revamped Sense (Desire HD).
Blur, Touchwiz... I don't know - but I would put money on HTC Sense still being there in the future. I don't have a link but I thought that I read somewhere that HTC has already said as much.

Google stated its coming up with something state of the art that will make sense obsoleet. However, when HTC pushes its 3.0 Android's out the door it will have some sort of sense no doubt. Also try to read and understand what google is writing. They are saying current launchers/sense is obsoleet and that it wont be necessary for gingerbread. They arnt saying futur launchers wont come out and improve on what they are building. The article I read clearly can be missleading if you are just skimming through it but if you actually take the time to read it you will see the words they use discribe only current launchers and sense being not needed.
Oh and my wifes HERO has 2.2 thanks to CM6 It works just as well as the Evo version but its performance settings seriously need to remain untouched unless you are willing to do several test because things like JIT can actually slow that phoen down.

omegasun18 said:
Personally i don't see it happening a lot of the same hype came while waiting for froyo. I wouldn't call it on the level of the "GODS" compared to 2.1. I personally remove as much of sense as possible from roms as is so for me it would just make my job easier however i dont see it happening logically speaking.
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It depends on how you look at it. If you go by the rumors, Gingerbread isn't going to add/improve on the current API/functionality of Android if at all. Instead it'll be a major upgrade to the UI/UX. Up until now we've seen minor/gradual improvements, this release I believe, we'll be a major visual step.
So even though it'll internally be very similar to Froyo, the UI we'll be different enough for us to be wowed and feel like we're using something completely new.

Kinda funny you bring this up cause I just read another thread in Q/A where some guy was asking for 2.1 roms cause he didn't like 2.2 so he wanted to go back. Interesting reading day so far....

Sense is horrible I'm about to get rid of myns warm twopointtwo rom to rid sense from my evo, good rom though but just cant stand sense
BUT what i do like about sense is how you can open the phone and start typing the letters with the dialpad and retrieving contacts on the fly...can non sense do this?

mikeDCMDVA said:
Sense is horrible I'm about to get rid of myns warm twopointtwo rom to rid sense from my evo, good rom though but just cant stand sense
BUT what i do like about sense is how you can open the phone and start typing the letters with the dialpad and retrieving contacts on the fly...can non sense do this?
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First of all... what? Half of that first sentance made no sense lol.
Secondly... dialer one. Try it. Its awesome.