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Just read it here:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/13/ex...-tethering-wifi-hotspot-to-android-2-2-froyo/
hopefully carriers wont have control
OMG OMG OMG.
I love you Google.
yeah it's up on Engadget and Gizmodo already. This whole next week is going to be great!
And then the carriers come out and spoil it like on the iPhone, you can't tether and stuff.
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And then the carriers come out and spoil it like on the iPhone, you can't tether and stuff.
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we have the best phone in the world, no one will take control if google who the one sell the phone.
If news are true... It will just mean that Google is just Listening to users demands...instead of crying like Steve Blow_Jobs and the bunch of outdated carriers out there.
Anyway HTC had the usb feature introduced in all its current 2.1 devices, and obviously also in the future ones namely the 4G wich anyway should be the first 2.2 sensed android in the marquet.
That's kind of a low blow for folks selling tethering products like PdaNet and EasyTether, losing the entire market for your product like that. Of course, that's nothing new, as Microsoft put numerous thriving companies out of business by adding functionality to Windows, for instance. That's life for a software developer, though, I guess.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are confusing evo feature set for 2.2 features
@wmm, What about when Google Nav came out in the US? There were quite a few nav programs in the Market when it came out, and Google basically stole the US market with a free product which was orders of magnitude better than the other options out for Android.
I read somewhere that in the Android Market developer agreement that there is some clause saying "tough **** if we come out with something better than yours". Well, we're all better for it, so yay Google.
sweeeeeeeeeeeet.
this is good news for my ipad.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they are confusing evo feature set for 2.2 features
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SenseUI has a black notification bar.
Any ideas or news whether apps2SD will be officially included in Froyo2.2?
I'm really anticipating and wanting apps2SD to be in this update, common Google...
Wow. Everything I want without rooting the phone. Outstanding, if true.
Scholesville said:
Any ideas or news whether apps2SD will be officially included in Froyo2.2?
I'm really anticipating and wanting apps2SD to be in this update, common Google...
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It's been signed off on the android code site, so should be in.
Its the course you take as a SW developer.
Technically youre making money off an OS shortcoming. Default OS apps always get insanely more usage than downloadable apps..especially paid. So the more great features an OS has out of box the better.
BTW This is interesting as Sprint is rumored to be charging 30$ for the EVO hotspotting. Im sure carriers will be turning this off , and IMO it seems as if this may have been an additional reason Sprint/VZ/ATT werent fully behind the N1.
i really want the FM transmitter rumor to be true
i really want the FM transmitter rumor to be true
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+1. This would be very nice.
Can't wait to see the official changelog for FroYo ...
xManMythLegend said:
Its the course you take as a SW developer.
Technically youre making money off an OS shortcoming. Default OS apps always get insanely more usage than downloadable apps..especially paid. So the more great features an OS has out of box the better.
BTW This is interesting as Sprint is rumored to be charging 30$ for the EVO hotspotting. Im sure carriers will be turning this off , and IMO it seems as if this may have been an additional reason Sprint/VZ/ATT werent fully behind the N1.
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Those were my thoughts as well. I know Google has always wanted the nexus to be "untouched" by carriers.
Okay whom ever here is in a relationship with a Google employee does us all a favor and take care of this for us. Thanks, really appreciate it. This country needs you!
hahaha, good one.
Or, you could sit outside the Google I/O conference and mug one of them on the way out.
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Or, you could sit outside the Google I/O conference and mug one of them on the way out.
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LoL or you could "service them" into giving it to you...
How badly do you want it?
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Reminds of the south park episode where cartman was waiting on Wii to come out lol
From what I hear (friend) says that he can get 2.2 but the problem is that he needs to have the phone in his hands and then use a special program google made to install froyo onto it, He says they don't have access to a single firmware download just a program and you need to be on googles vlan to use it something like that
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From what I hear (friend) says that he can get 2.2 but the problem is that he needs to have the phone in his hands and then use a special program google made to install froyo onto it, He says they don't have access to a single firmware download just a program and you need to be on googles vlan to use it something like that
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Your "friend" needs to stop b.s.ing around and get you an early XMAS gift.
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Reminds of the south park episode where cartman was waiting on Wii to come out lol
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LoL I loved that episode. Great analogy!
Found a clip that shows the people waiting for Froyo are acting exactly the same! http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155352
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Your "friend" needs to stop b.s.ing around and get you an early XMAS gift.
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I know he works at google and i've never had any reason to doubt him, he moved a few states away a year ago so I don't see him much anymore but he said if i wanted to mail him my phone he would set it up..... I really can't go a week without my phone
This guy says that Google is pulling it out over the air NOW:
Google Announces Android 2.2 Froyo
posted Today, 10:43 AM by Eric M. Zeman
updated Today, 11:44 AM
Today at its I/O Conference in San Francisco, Google introduced Android 2.2 Froyo. Froyo builds on Android 2.1 Eclair and offers a number of improvements. The largest new feature is built-in support for tethering and Wi-Fi hotspots. It also has a refreshed home screen that adds permanent "Phone" and "Web" buttons alongside the Menu key. Google has also taken pains to improve the performance of applications and the Android Market. Users can now update all their applications in one step, rather than each at a time. Google also said that users can choose to have their applications update automatically. Android 2.2 also takes advantage of the Dalvik Virtual Machine. This tool vastly improves the speed of the platform. By incorporating a just-in-time compiler, applications are five to ten times faster than with Android 2.1. Android 2.2 is now more Microsoft Exchange friendly, and includes features such as auto-discovery, contacts sync and improved security controls. Google says it has boosted JavaScript performance in the browser to make it faster, as well. The browser also now includes Adobe Flash Player 10.1. Some of the new APIs in Android 2.2 will help move user and application data from device to device. Among other new features, Android users will now be able to store apps on external memory, instead of the device's internal storage. This should allow for larger apps, which will include more advanced games. The Google App Market has long had a Web component to browser applications, but now users can choose an app from the Web-based Market, and the phone will start downloading the app automatically. Additionally, Google will be offering a streaming music service. Using an app on a desktop PC, Android users will be able to listen to their entire, non-DRM music library over the air on their Android phones. Android 2.2 Froyo will be available today to owners of the Nexus One. It can be downloaded over the air. Android 2.2 will also be made available to the Motorola Droid in the near future. Google also plans to make it available to devices such as the HTC Incredible, EVO 4G and Desire, and the Motorola Milestone.
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But the ethnic of its surname just reminds me one word: LIAR
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Couldn't agree more
Froyo is a surprise treat - not a demand
Ohai! Another thread for froyo!
As opposite to the previous link..this has some interesting news.
Many of the older device owners and early adopters will be glad to hear this one – I’ve talked to a bunch of Google folks in charge of developing Android at the Google I/O, and they told me that technically it would be possible to put Froyo on any device on the market now, including the G1.
Since I was trying to specifically concentrate on the G1s due to those devices having the lowest specs among all Android phones, a lot of my questions were asked with this Android dinosaur in mind.
During my discussions, I was told that even though the G1 had smaller internal storage capacity, it would be possible to package up an update without the extra Google apps, and then install them later on a different partition (or so I understood). In fact, Cyanogen already kind of does this whole Google app separation in his CyanogenMods but that is due to a C&D he had received. Either way, technically it’s already been shown possible. Also, when I brought up Cyanogen, the Google devs had no doubt he’d be able to pull off a Froyo update for the G1, regardless of whether the carrier would want to bring it to you or not.
Such an update would not be OTA and would wipe the phone, which is not entirely unheard of, considering the last Sprint HTC Hero update does exactly that.
Furthermore, I was told that there are unofficial test builds running Froyo on G1s within Google, and they’re speedy as hell compared to the previous versions, making up for the slower CPU and lower specs in general. Could it be that your old G1 will be able to shine brighter than it had ever before?
Of course, as far as official releases go, it will be entirely up to the carriers and the manufacturers to package up and offer the Froyo updates to their customers.
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My girlfriend´s stock Magic needs a fresh wave of air... this should be the right xcuse to wipe all her data...
This is from gizmodo:
"Congratulations, Nexus One users! You'll be getting Froyo later today. Everyone else, you're just going to have to hold tight; firmware updates are largely up to the carriers and OEMs, and some poor saps only got their Android 2.1 upgrade in the last week. The more recent Android handsets should see an update in the next few months"
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This is from gizmodo:
"Congratulations, Nexus One users! You'll be getting Froyo later today. Everyone else, you're just going to have to hold tight; firmware updates are largely up to the carriers and OEMs, and some poor saps only got their Android 2.1 upgrade in the last week. The more recent Android handsets should see an update in the next few months"
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I was about to post the same thing...get working CY
Looks like gizmodo updated the article to "Congratulations, Nexus One users! You're guaranteed to be in the first Froyo update."
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This is from gizmodo:
"Congratulations, Nexus One users! You'll be getting Froyo later today. Everyone else, you're just going to have to hold tight; firmware updates are largely up to the carriers and OEMs, and some poor saps only got their Android 2.1 upgrade in the last week. The more recent Android handsets should see an update in the next few months"
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Have a link?
gizmodo just updated that post and said it was a "typo". It now says N1 users will be the first to receive 2.2...
damn...neverelaxed beat me....
snlu178 said:
gizmodo just updated that post and said it was a "typo". It now says N1 users will be the first to receive 2.2...
damn...neverelaxed beat me....
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beat me to it bro
Since a new thread seams to pop up every day asking for ETA's I suppose we can have a thread specifically discussing what we ACTUALLY know. Here is what "I" know at the moment.
GPS Fix
Currently there is a leaked firmware (see development forum) that looks like it improves the GPS functionality nicely. This has a build date of Sept 7th so it is fairly new. Due to certain issues, this appears to be a beta still. However, it does have the TMO apps on it so it is further along than a pre-carrier build. Given a beta cycle of a couple of weeks, if this goes out as an OTA, it would look to be at the end of the month at best.
It has been reported in another thread that TMO will start rolling out a GPS/Lag fix on Sept 20th. This is most likely based on, or is, the leaked ROM that you can find in the dev section. So far, reports on the GPS fix are "mostly" positive.
Froyo (Android 2.2.)
There have been no leaked ROMs for the Vibrant yet although there is for international versions. Samsung_mobile on twitter said Froyo at the end of September. Given the information in the previous section, it seems an interim build may be coming to TMO first, before a Froyo is pushed out. This one though is a complete unknown besides from that twitter post.
It is currently expected that Samsung will release a Froyo build TO CARRIERS on Sept 23rd. We are not likely to see a Froyo update for at least 45 days after that if not longer depending on how long it takes TMO to "wiz it up"
GPS is working very nicely for me on that new rom with no issues.
I was locking onto 6 birds yesterday. All stock. WHATUP NOW
Still take some froyo though haaa
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While I appreciate that the leaked ROM may be working for you, a lot of people dont want to mess with ROMs and are more interested in an official update. Although you can install that ROM today, we have no actual date of an official release.
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While I appreciate that the leaked ROM may be working for you, a lot of people dont want to mess with ROMs and are more interested in an official update. Although you can install that ROM today, we have no actual date of an official release.
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Yeah, if we are lucky, we may get it by the time Google releases Android 3.0 in October....
I am sooo disappointed that every Android manufacturer locks down their product so tight, that without their cooperation, the phones are simply not upgradable to the new OS versions. In a way it's worse than dealing with the iPhone
Wake up dude. It has nothing to do with that and EVERYTHING to do with testing and finishing drivers, UI, etc. People complain about a buggy release then demand updates right away. Its not going to happen.
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Wake up dude. It has nothing to do with that and EVERYTHING to do with testing and finishing drivers, UI, etc. People complain about a buggy release then demand updates right away. Its not going to happen.
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Nope.
Samsung can test the OS in advance, so they can get their drivers ready for launch. Both HTC and Moto did it, and Moto is hardly the most responsive company out there.
And the UI, it's crap, IMO. But if Samsung thinks TouchWiz is so great and important, then spin it off and make it available in Market, when ready.
There is really no good excuse for the delay. Samsung is just not dedicating the resources they need to.
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Nope.
Samsung can test the OS in advance, so they can get their drivers ready for launch. Both HTC and Moto did it, and Moto is hardly the most responsive company out there.
And the UI, it's crap, IMO. But if Samsung thinks TouchWiz is so great and important, then spin it off and make it available in Market, when ready.
There is really no good excuse for the delay. Samsung is just not dedicating the resources they need to.
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are you serious?
I think you need a new hobby...
There is really no good excuse for the delay.
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Obviously someone that hasn't been in the software development field.
Amen.
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In T-mobile/Samsung's defense...
When the first update for the G1 came out, it released in the UK before it hit the U.S.
Turns out that there was some kind of security bug in it, and they actually had to stop offering the update.
The testing aspect is why these updates take so long. It takes longer to test (and fix minor issues) than to correct the main problem.
What it boils down to is that no one really knows these devices in and out. You have cameras from one company, radios from another company, GPS chipsets from a third company, processors from a 4th, etc... and on top of it all your OS is written by a company that is very new to the electronics business.
The problem is the pace of technology.... sure you could pay 2 or 3 geniuses $100,000 a year for 2 years to learn every idiosyncrasy of ONE of your devices... but does that make sense when you have 2 or 3 new models going to market in 6 months?
Apple is probably the best suited company to have a team of experts who know their ONE device in and out... and even they screw it up (proximity sensor, antenna debacle).
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Obviously someone that hasn't been in the software development field.
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
Maybe old news by now, but Androidspin is reporting Froyo for the international version with a Sept 23 release date.
noob user, can't post links. visit android spin for the story.
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
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Ill agree with this, if Samsungs priority was 2.2 it would have been done by now, easily. I mean 2.2 has been out since may. Its 4 months later, they could roll it out now if it had been properly and timely worked on.
It's not like all Samsung makes are phones.
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I'm still waiting for the HTC TV, HTC Washer and Dryer, maybe a Nokia Refrigerator....
When the other Companies start making all of this stuff, then u can compare
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
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So... your the accountant? Or someone who contracts with vendors to do development for the company you work for? Supply the funding?
Sorry, not a ringing endorsement for understanding the development cycle without more details.
I'm guessing you meant to say, "if this was a TOP priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 for now".
I'm guessing it's not, for a variety of business reasons. I'm sure it is in the mix with a lot of other efforts.
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So... your the accountant? Or someone who contracts with vendors to do development for the company you work for? Supply the funding?
Sorry, not a ringing endorsement for understanding the development cycle without more details.
I'm guessing you meant to say, "if this was a TOP priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 for now".
I'm guessing it's not, for a variety of business reasons. I'm sure it is in the mix with a lot of other efforts.
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Well, I do a bit of most of the above.
So, you are a fanboy?
If HTC and Moto could do it, so could have Samsung. Especially since the Galaxy S is supposed to be their weapon with which to take over the smart phone market.... And since they have more control over key components than their rivals.
Anyway, what's your point? That writing drivers is so tough it takes years?
Or that we should not expect much from Samsung products, because they are a diversified company and can't focus on any particular product?
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
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I pay 400 people to do software development, and I agree with the other guy.
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No, I run a company.
So, you are a fanboy?
If HTC and Moto could do it, so could have Samsung. Especially since the Galaxy S is supposed to be their weapon with which to take over the smart phone market.... And since they have more control over key components than their rivals.
Anyway, what's your point? That writing drivers takes years?
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Ha, no. I'm OS and hardware agnostic across all platforms.
My point is realistic expectations. If the GPS update was top priority for Samsung and/or easy to fix (it very well may not have been), it would be done.
As the owner of a company, you know more than anybody the tradeoff's that need to be made when making business decisions. It easy to complain when you are individually impacted about the priority of some specific piece of work, but for Samsung you know they made concious decisions about release scheduling.
Given recent news, it looks like the GPS/hardware fix is being release seperately from 2.2. I'm a little dissapointed in this, it's seems likely that means we will not get the 2.2 fix before the end of September. Ideally they would be rolled together if 2.2 was close... unless the fix just took so long the release timeframes have been squeezed together. And all assuming the GPS fix is merged with 2.2.
Anyway, I'm rambling, no way to know unless we sit in on Samsung development meetings and what challenges they have had with the 2.2 release.
My 'guess' is Samsung had marketing dates to meet with the original OS and released the product before everything was baked in. There are lots of oddities and bugs in the phone I have not seen in other platforms (like HTC), and these are hopefully fixed and may explain the extra time.
I agree with you re: the UI. For those that care, and it likely the more technically savy are the ones that care, it's easy to change... one of the compelling things about any android device.
The Tab is nearly ready to launch. I'm sure it has been tested with 2.2 for a number of weeks, if not months. The have the drivers ready. They are likely devoting tine and energy to hardware releases at this time. It would be nice if they would release vanilla android then the other stuff in the market. They already do that for the samsung home and car apps.
It is really frustrating that these companies cripple good devices with bloatware and make you root to uninstall it. Gingerbread will be nice because all of these extras will be apps. Which is how it should have been from day one.
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Ok I know that its bad to jump to conclusions on this but I was listening to a recent podcast on Engadget where they were talking about Samsung devices. I saw it on their site and I knew I just had to listen having a Vibrant. I was enjoying their bashing about on things and then they mentioned that a Samsung rep told them that they think of 2.2 as a marketing gimmick. I'm sure that's just some guy who doesn't understand what 2.2 or 2.3 do for our phones.
But what do you think about that? I mean looking at how long it takes to get updates for the phone, does a part of you believe that this maybe true?
What's your thoughts?
hmm i can't post the link since i read more than i post but it's on engadget's site and here's the rest of the URL after .com
/2010/11/13/engadget-podcast-219-11-13-2010/
At about 00:17:25 of the podcast.
it doesn't really matter we get 2.2 or 2.3(your dream only) or not. It only matters they sell it more or even more.
Well, I can almost guarantee that the Froyo update is gonna be held until after the holiday season. T-Mobile is as guilty as Samsung for this. They think that people will opt for the newer phones with 2.2 and don't want their sales diminished by having it available on older handsets.
Personally, I don't think the average consumer cares that much. Only people like us and similar communities keep on top of what each version does better than it's predecessor.
In the end, you're far better off flashing one of the ROMs here anyway. I've got buddies at work still kickin' it with the G1 due to it's versatility. Why would I want the 2.2 update from T-mobile? Crappy TouchWiz, bloatware and all that nastiness. Only thing I can see it useful for is if I wanted to send in the phone for warranty work.
+1 im on the onyx rom right now and tell you the truth the only thing i want an official 2.2 froyo from tmobile would be to iron out the very lil tiny things thats wrong on this rom other than that i can care less ..
as for gingerbread 2.3 im pretty sure we will have it due to the amazing work of people like som, viral, eugene, and master.
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Well, I can almost guarantee that the Froyo update is gonna be held until after the holiday season. T-Mobile is as guilty as Samsung for this. They think that people will opt for the newer phones with 2.2 and don't want their sales diminished by having it available on older handsets.
Personally, I don't think the average consumer cares that much. Only people like us and similar communities keep on top of what each version does better than it's predecessor.
In the end, you're far better off flashing one of the ROMs here anyway. I've got buddies at work still kickin' it with the G1 due to it's versatility. Why would I want the 2.2 update from T-mobile? Crappy TouchWiz, bloatware and all that nastiness. Only thing I can see it useful for is if I wanted to send in the phone for warranty work.
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+1 im on the onyx rom right now and tell you the truth the only thing i want an official 2.2 froyo from tmobile would be to iron out the very lil tiny things thats wrong on this rom other than that i can care less ..
as for gingerbread 2.3 im pretty sure we will have it due to the amazing work of people like som, viral, eugene, and master.
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I am running an unofficial Froyo ROM, and yet to find "wrong", ymmv.
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Ok I know that its bad to jump to conclusions on this but I was listening to a recent podcast on Engadget where they were talking about Samsung devices. I saw it on their site and I knew I just had to listen having a Vibrant. I was enjoying their bashing about on things and then they mentioned that a Samsung rep told them that they think of 2.2 as a marketing gimmick. I'm sure that's just some guy who doesn't understand what 2.2 or 2.3 do for our phones.
But what do you think about that? I mean looking at how long it takes to get updates for the phone, does a part of you believe that this maybe true?
What's your thoughts?
hmm i can't post the link since i read more than i post but it's on engadget's site and here's the rest of the URL after .com
/2010/11/13/engadget-podcast-219-11-13-2010/
At about 00:17:25 of the podcast.
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Well, considering that a Vibrant Froyo ROM already leaked, either that Samsung Rep is full of crap (likely), or Engadget staff is (even MORE likely).
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Well, I can almost guarantee that the Froyo update is gonna be held until after the holiday season. T-Mobile is as guilty as Samsung for this. They think that people will opt for the newer phones with 2.2 and don't want their sales diminished by having it available on older handsets.
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If that were the case, ATT, Sprint, and Verizon would all have released Froyo for their GalaxyS devices. So yeah, I pin the blame on Samsung...
I do find it hard to believe that t-mobile is to blame here considering the other galaxy s devices that have yet to implement as well.
And yes it's true a rom here would be a lot better. Not to say that an official rom would be terrible. All roms have bugs, but you would think by now that samsung would want the best for their consumers. Even if they don't know what 2.2 is. Oh and if you were wondering, yes I'm still on the stock rom. I'm just not ready to redo all my settings on my phone when I update to a new rom.
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I do find it hard to believe that t-mobile is to blame here considering the other galaxy s devices that have yet to implement as well.
And yes it's true a rom here would be a lot better. Not to say that an official rom would be terrible. All roms have bugs, but you would think by now that samsung would want the best for their consumers. Even if they don't know what 2.2 is. Oh and if you were wondering, yes I'm still on the stock rom. I'm just not ready to redo all my settings on my phone when I update to a new rom.
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Yeah, I am frustrated with the Samsung heading into Android as well.
They marketed Galaxy S as a such a great phone (which it is) with the ability to upgrade it to the latest (at the time of the launch) OS within months, yet they have released new hardware - Galaxy Tab - with 2.2, and keep the Galaxy S phone users out dry - thanks to these boards I do not have to rely on them, but I did void the warranty by rooting my device and installing the custom ROM. And now they are already marketing Gingerbread platform that will ultimately become second Google dev phone, and again let everyone dry on a Galaxy S phone market.
I do want to get the real Google phone, and knowing that I don't have to rely on the carriers to release the update for me, but seeing how it will be a Samsung device makes me uneasy.
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I do want to get the real Google phone, and knowing that I don't have to rely on the carriers to release the update for me, but seeing how it will be a Samsung device makes me uneasy.
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Nexus S could be a good thing. Very good hardware, Samsung, combined with the best OS development, Google.
Can't google release the firmwares to our phone?
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I am running an unofficial Froyo ROM, and yet to find "wrong", ymmv.
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Plug in a set of headphones or an AUX cable to a stereo with no microphone built in and make a call. You'll find something wrong then.
Oh yeah, do you have an external SD card bigger than 2gb? If so, try copying more than 2gb of data to it.
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Can't google release the firmwares to our phone?
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Nope, because it is in the hands of Samsung.
Google release the OS to the manufacturers and carriers, and it trickledowns from there.
The exception Nexus One, since it is a Google phone made by HTC.
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Nope, because it is in the hands of Samsung.
Google release the OS to the manufacturers and carriers, and it trickledowns from there.
The exception Nexus One, since it is a Google phone made by HTC.
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According to T-Mobile, Google is the one that pushed out the 2.2 OTA for the myTouch3g 1.0.
Google can't push out updates for phones like the Vibrant, Droid X, HTC Evo, etc. because of TouchWiz, Motoblur and Sense. Google has absolutely no way to update those manufacturer customizations, they can only push stock android to devices.
raduque said:
Plug in a set of headphones or an AUX cable to a stereo with no microphone built in and make a call. You'll find something wrong then.
Oh yeah, do you have an external SD card bigger than 2gb? If so, try copying more than 2gb of data to it.
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AUX
I see. That's why I don't see any wrong I am not using that feature.
SD card.
I didn't see that, hmm will see if I can source a bigger card.
Did you try unmounting the card from the phone and mounting back? I had issues when I flashed 2.2 with my external card, but re-mounting on the phone resolved it.
raduque said:
Plug in a set of headphones or an AUX cable to a stereo with no microphone built in and make a call. You'll find something wrong then.
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mine works fine
lqaddict said:
Nope, because it is in the hands of Samsung.
Google release the OS to the manufacturers and carriers, and it trickledowns from there.
The exception Nexus One, since it is a Google phone made by HTC.
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Screw Samsung!! Google releases update quickly than Samsung right?
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Samsung is busy kicking out leading edge hardware with little resources available to post sales support. So far samsung has distanced themselves from competitors while alienating some customers. A mistake maybe, a gamble definitely. Going past the holidays presents the lose of existing customers, they've need to make gesture soon.
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lolcopter said:
mine works fine
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You're talking about a plain old set of headphones that DO NOT have a mic built in? Or an AUX cable to a stereo (again, with NO MIC)? And you get call audio through the headphones and use the phone's built-in mic?
That's funny, because if so, you're the only one that it works for.
Remember: NO MIC BUILT INTO THE HEADPHONES.
lqaddict said:
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I see. That's why I don't see any wrong I am not using that feature.
SD card.
I didn't see that, hmm will see if I can source a bigger card.
Did you try unmounting the card from the phone and mounting back? I had issues when I flashed 2.2 with my external card, but re-mounting on the phone resolved it.
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Yeah, you won't see any problems if you use an inline mic, or a headset w/mic. I have a plain, no mic AUX cable to my car stereo - I listen to music, and when a call comes in I answer it and call audio comes through my car speakers and I talk using the phone's built-in mic.
As for the SD, yeah, I tried re-mounting it on the phone, and even formatting it on the phone too, but nothing fixed the fact that it was only showing up as a 2.2gb drive in Windows' Device Manager.
The galaxy s is a fine device with really good hardware.. and I really don't have a big of an urge to have froyo, though it would be nice if i could have it on my phone.. but i think samsung is just behind in other aspects knowing that the mobile industry is very highly competitive... from a business perspective, samsung may be all about their sales and profit while ignoring oring their customers' complaints and needs... it's pretty obvious that majority of smarphone users are not power users, nor do they even know what the android os is, but still, samsung must deliver and execute an effective strategy that can refrain the power users from considering another brand.. htc and motorola are doing well in supporting their devices, samsung must do the same if they want to remain in the competition..
what i dont understand is.. what is preventing them from releasing an update that the end-users yearn for when the tab is already on 2.2 and Europe has it too.. oh, it must the customizations from different carriers that is hindering and prolonging the said update.. ughh..
I wonder what our xda devs think, I feel like many of the awesome devs here couldve led a team to get froyo on the Vibrant and had it done long, long ago. Then again I know nothing about development so I'd be interested to read what the more experienced devs think, is it reasonable for it to take this long in the hands of skilled devs? Or does it seem like an incapable personnel problem at Samsung?
Anyway, i would think Sam would want to release it before xmas because after tethering, flash, more ram, all kinds of improvements its like a whole new generation of SGS it gives them a whole new advertising campaign. At least thats how I see it, when i got froyo for my nexus it was like getting a whole new phone.
Maybe people who dont know better will not miss 2.2, but considering its massive popularity, eventually the very ubiquitous SGS is going to be so far behind that it will become prominent news and even novice Android owners are going to take Samsung's inability to update into account when it comes time to replace their SGS. Surely Samsung realizes this.
Personaly I absolutely love their hardware, Ive had three HTC Androids and this one Samsung and its my favorite hardware, but Samsung is now at least below HTC and Moto when I look for my next phone, updates are way more important than Samsung wants them to be.
Seith Weintraub over at Fortune Magazine published a really great article today in response to Apple Fan Boy MG Siegler’s article about IOS updates. Now of course most of you know even though Mr. Paris Lemon is a deep mac boy we have a overall Tech Crunch Fans. However, MG or (Lemon if that’s what you prefer to call him) said that 90% of IOS users were on the most updated version of IOS and Android users, aboud .4% had a chance of being on the latest version. Seth, quick to help us out, pointed out that 90% of Android users are on 2.XX while 52% are on 2.2, yes we know that 2.3 is out now.
Everyone is also very aware of all the name calling, insult throwing, accusations and blowback Samsung is receiving because they are holding back an Android 2.2 upgrade on all 4 US major carrier Galaxy S devices just because they have the Samsung Vibrant 4G coming out in a few weeks on T-Mobile. That’s right the Verizon Fascinate, the Sprint Epic 4G and the AT&T Captivate are all being held back simply because of the T-Mobile device.. right? OF COURSE NOT!
Most of the other Galaxy S variants in every other country in the world have already received an upgrade to 2.2 via KIES or by way of an OTA through their carrier. The first thing we need to know in America is that Kies is not readily available to us. This is by way of the CARRIER and not Samsung.
The second thing you need to take into consideration, kind of like Android as a whole, is that a lot of the Samsung Galaxy S’ were acutally sold OUTSIDE of the United States. So to me the logic that Samsung only cares about the bottom line can be debated by the argument than why did all the other countries get the update quicker.
Hopefully you’re following me so far and the rest of this will just end up pissing people off.
- Many of the people whining about Samsung updates and bashing Samsung in general don’t own a Samsung phone. Or don’t use one on a regular basis. Remeber according to Andy Ruben we are activating 300,000 Android devices per day. A lot of those are for normal consumer people. The bulk of the readers of the tech blog readers, writers and community aren’t normal “consumers”. The normal consumers get upset when they start hearing about these updates through their tech savvy friends and then feel slighted.
- Most of the Samsung Galaxy S variants came with Android 2.1 in a modified form with touchwiz on top, couple that with the hardware (superAMOLED screen, 1ghz hummingbird processor) etc and the proprietary social hub, media hub etc, that actual normal consumers are taking advantage of you still have a pretty darn good, up to date device. We aren’t talking Sony Xperia here that released with 1.6 we’re talking about a version of 2.1 that was fancy schmancy at the time. Add to that the fact that both the Fascinate and the Epic 4G included Mobile Hotspot (one of the key features from 2.2) and what out of this world, oh my god my phone is so outdated, feature are the general public Samsung customers missing?
- The next thing we have to realize is the way America works. There is a lot more bureacracy from the government and carrier politics from our wireless carriers than most other countries. There is a lot of red tape for everything that happens in the wireless industry on the carrier/manufacturer side than any other country in the world. Take kies for instance if America had access to kies everyone with a Samsung Galaxy S phone would be upgraded.
Now take your active Android Evangelists, ones with a passionate heart and a vested interest in Android who actually own a Samsung Galaxy S phone. Your @theandroidgirl and @raywalters for instance, these people, among countless others who are on twitter and podcasts and were big enough believers to purchase a Samsung Galaxy S variant, and who may have partially based their decision on the fact that Samsung did say (at least at IFA) that we would see Froyo by the end of 2010, these people have legitimate complaints to the source.
Of course its also very disheartening that Samsung obviously has the source code for 2.3 as it’s running on the Nexus S today. And Gingerbread is a whole different issue.
For our followers on Samsung Galaxy S US Variants, we feel for you but have a challenge:
In the comments below, tell us what you are looking for out of Froyo that you aren’t getting out of the modified version of 2.1 that’s on your Galaxy S now?
Why should you do this? Take a trip over to samsung.com and you will see that thedroidguy is one of the twitter accounts featured on Samsung’s website. Trust me comments here will be seen by people that matter at Samsung. And for the record, even as someone who genuinely suports Samsung, we are very disappointed in this whole Samsung upgrade mess and definitely feel let down that US users didnt get a Froyo update in 2010. And also for the record as far as the phones I am currently using, my 1st use phone is a Droid Pro, 2nd is a Samsung Nexus S and 3rd is an HTC Desire.
Source: http://thedroidguy.com/2011/01/the-samsung-android-update-debacle-now-hear-this/
heathmcabee said:
In the comments below, tell us what you are looking for out of Froyo that you aren’t getting out of the modified version of 2.1 that’s on your Galaxy S now?
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JIT Compiler
Flash Support
Honeycomb Media Player Leak
Better Exchange Support
GPS Fix (hopefully)
...just a few things I can think of off the top of my head
JIT compiler
Flash support
Apps on SD card
Gps fixes
Bluetooth voice dialing
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Include on that list:
- latest google apps and several other apps we can't use or upgrade to because we need 2.2.
Also, how about Samsung's own docks that require 2.2 in order to use certain functions.
crajee16 said:
Include on that list:
- latest google apps and several other apps we can't use or upgrade to because we need 2.2.
Also, how about Samsung's own docks that require 2.2 in order to use certain functions.
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Dock still doesn't work on 2.2 DK28. Sound only came from my left speaker in the DK17 build.
-Roger
I want my About Phone page to have the number 2.2 on it. Thats my only reason.
ryno502 said:
jit compiler
flash support
apps on sd card
gps fixes
bluetooth voice dialing
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+1. .
Mostly the 2.2 apps like Chrome to Phone, GPS fix, and apps to SD Card.
Almost forgot Flash, that's a pretty big one. I honestly don't care about 2.3 all that much.
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Cloud 2 mobile device too right?
The source of 2.2 for the Epic. Then we will have some great roms.
Also:
Jit and other speed enhancements
Support for the latest apps
Touchwiz 3
I want the hardware keyboard to keep up with my typing. The reason I bought the phone over the EVO was the slideout keyboard. I use it but find myself hitting the backspace far too often because a letter was missed.
Flash is a nice addition as well.
ryno502 said:
JIT compiler
Flash support
Apps on SD card
Gps fixes
Bluetooth voice dialing
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AND source code! Our developers are handicapped without it.
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FYI all, the OP post was taken from the link provided which is: http://thedroidguy.com/2011/01/the-samsung-android-update-debacle-now-hear-this/.
pretty sure the indication was to put your comments on THAT article, not in this thread if you want the peeps at sammy to see it. just trying to help you out, lol
amosher13 said:
FYI all, the OP post was taken from the link provided which is: http://thedroidguy.com/2011/01/the-samsung-android-update-debacle-now-hear-this/.
pretty sure the indication was to put your comments on THAT article, not in this thread if you want the peeps at sammy to see it. just trying to help you out, lol
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Ohhhhhhh! You're so smart!!! Lol thanks!
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socos25 said:
I want the hardware keyboard to keep up with my typing. The reason I bought the phone over the EVO was the slideout keyboard.
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Big fuggin +1. At least the gingerbread keyboard works really well.
I'm on DK28 so the only thing I'm still lacking is audio out functionality with the car/desk dock.
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stir fry a lot said:
Big fuggin +1. At least the gingerbread keyboard works really well.
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I type fast on the keyboard and it works very well. Although i did turn off the stupid software keyboards since they annoy me when they pop up. Turned off the autocorrect on the hardware keyboard too.
How about skipping 2.2 and giving us some gingerbread love with 2.3 since it is already out.
1. GPS fix
2. Bluetooth voice dialing.
3. Flash
4. Saving apps to sd card.
5. JIT compiler
hmmm let's see, how about...
bluetooth voice command.... ever used "Vlingo"??
with almost all states banning texting and operating a mobile device while driving, bluetooth voice command is a MUST!!
My question to any qualified attorney and in general is at what point does the failure to meet an annouced release date become false advertisment particularly when said annoucement is just as advertisement material to coerce comsumers into purchasing one product over another one?
http://thedroidguy.com/2011/01/the-samsung-android-update-debacle-now-hear-this/#dsq-form-area
Stock DI18 to Stock DK28