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Sprint Speaks via Twitter on 2.1 Update

Might be the bearer of unhappy news here, but Sprint sent a couple of tweets out today concerning the update.
http://twitter.com/sprint/status/13553847246
"Android users:Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC on 2.1, on track to be avail Q2. Sprint had hoped to have this resolved by now."
http://twitter.com/sprint/status/13553862034
"Many thanks to our customers for your continued patience as we work to bring you a positive experience with the 2.1 upgrade."
I guess the fevor pitch got too high and they felt a need to defuse it. Was that a hint of frustration on Sprint's part there as well? ("...had hoped to have this resolved by now.")
Anyway, back to being satisfied with our ROMs for me. Sorry everyone.

least it's still a bit of hope for us not running 2.1 yet. It's a small step in the right direction. Sprint is finally communicating at least something.

How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.

smstutler said:
How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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It was to all Sprint Android Users. Samsung owners and HTC owners. Apparently they are having as many issues with Samsung as they are HTC. I wonder if there is an commonality between the issues they are having.

Kcarpenter said:
It was to all Sprint Android Users. Samsung owners and HTC owners. Apparently they are having as many issues with Samsung as they are HTC. I wonder if there is an commonality between the issues they are having.
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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.

Thank goodness we already have a 100% fucntional 2.1 ROM. HTC just needs to release the kernel source!

TheBiles said:
Thank goodness we already have a 100% fucntional 2.1 ROM. HTC just needs to release the kernel source!
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That pretty much said it perfectly ...

smstutler said:
How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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If you take a closer look at the first tweet, it says "Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC...", so they are speaking to both parties.

lorsoblu said:
If you take a closer look at the first tweet, it says "Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC...", so they are speaking to both parties.
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You are correct. I missed that part. But to be blunt if you looked at forums, you would also see that this has been posted quite a few times already. Both screwed up I guess.

smstutler said:
Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
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Couldn't agree more.

Things like this really make me wonder why people are so into the Evo. This is like Deja Vu. The hero came out with old software that had been running on the g1 for a year. Then we sit and wait for 7 months for an update that will most likely be old by the time we get it. They are working on 2.2 and that is coming soon. Now people are going to jump on the same bandwagon for the evo which is the exact situation with the hero. They release the phone in june with software that is going to be considered old a few months later. Everyone that gets the evo will then complain that they are not on 2.2 and how sprint and htc dropped the ball again.
Me personally, I don't think I will get the evo just because of this fiasco. I have been using 2.1 for a while and it's great but is it worth all this headache.....NO. If android doesn't fix this fragmentation they will lose lots of customers. This will really be felt when the new iphone comes out. It's easy for them to play back and forth now but when the biggest competitor comes out, these problems will not be overlooked by most consumers.
I personally think that this update is being held back till the evo comes out so they can sway consumers to that product. Business isn't always about pleasing the consumer. Sprint has got your money and htc has got your money. They want you to buy a new phone and that's that. I wouldn't be suprised if the update drops the same exact week as the evo. They will say sorry for the delay and not meeting the Q2 but it's coming out soon. Nothing is etched in stone and we are just hanging on every word hoping something new will be released.
We have been dealing with broken youtube player and nothing has been done or mentioned to fix it. Do you really want to take the risk in doing this again. Everything is going to be put aside till the evo drops. That is the phone that is supposedly going to save sprint it's decline in customers. The eris is going to be discontinued by verizon this month. This should show everyone that htc is not interested in these products anymore. If they were we would have gotten 1.6 when it became available. The hero was made to open the eyes of cdma customers to android. It did just that and now it's time to get you to upgrade so they can continue to make money. Why does sprint care if you get 2.1. There not going to make any money in dropping the update, so why rush.

my point exactly

I am really curious to know what problems with 2.1 are causing the delay?? After all we have a decent working version now. If there really is some big issue wouldn't we have found it by now?

I don't think its "Android," its Sprint w/ HTC and Samsung implementing 2.1 to their devices. But that's just me.

smstutler said:
Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
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SMH........

My guess is that the problem lies with one of the POS sprint applications that are stripped out of almost all the custom ROMs since the problem is effecting both the Samsung and HTC updates. They have never worked right and in an application rich environment like Android, I don't think they are necessary. Nav was nice for 1.5, but no longer necessary. NFL is a decent application, but poorly implemented. You can't even let the screen turn off while streaming audio. Sprint TV is a cool idea, but again poorly implemented. It would always start up in the background for no reason. Many people have said it in defense of Sprint, sprint is not a software company... I know they outsource these applications, but it is to a company that has no apparent android experience.

Jjday7 said:
Things like this really make me wonder why people are so into the Evo.
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The draw is that the Evo has sweet hardware, that and we Hero users have had a fully functional 2.1 for quite some time due to devs. What is the problem? Is there some other Android handset which shipped with 1.5 Android that has had break neck updates?

Does it really matter? If someone is THAT hard up for the updated OS, they can get it without waiting for the official release. And if they're not that impatient, they're probably ok on what they're using.
The people that really want to upgrade their phone can and will do it. I see no reason to freak out about if/when Sprint will release their version of the upgrade.
And for what it's worth, Sprint has ALWAYS been behind in releasing OS updates. They were like that with WinMO as well. Hence one of the reasons people started hacking and developing ROMs to begin with.

danknee said:
The draw is that the Evo has sweet hardware, that and we Hero users have had a fully functional 2.1 for quite some time due to devs. What is the problem? Is there some other Android handset which shipped with 1.5 Android that has had break neck updates?
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Isn't Sprint still on track to have the only phones in the US upgraded to 2.1? I mean they are at least going to be the first ones to do it. Not that there aren't companies with a 2.1 phone.
And about fragmentation...it affects EVERY software company, unless the supply exact hardware. FroYo will likely take care of most of it - they approached it with a very modular design. And Rumor has it Gingerbread+ will have more specific hardware requirements, thought still less restrictive than Iphone and WinMo.
We are in an interesting time in the Mobile World. A lot of innovation is happening VERY quickly. It's simply Moore's Law. The next generation of hardware coming down the pipe is just TOO different than what we are running now.

smstutler said:
You are correct. I missed that part. But to be blunt if you looked at forums, you would also see that this has been posted quite a few times already. Both screwed up I guess.
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When I posted this I looked through the first two pages to check if the info was already up, and to the best of my knowledge it wasn't. (After I posted I saw that the SprintGuy thread had just got updated with it as well, but it was practically at the same time)
Doesn't matter though, we will probably still have someone post this tomorrow morning.

Samsung india froyo update

I just got an update from samsung india froyo update and it is:
'We don't have an eta on that'
now I regret I bought such an expensive phone from a company who don't have any clue about developing high end phone
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lol good morning

Then sell the device and buy an iPhone... you'll see what they will answer when you ask when to expect the next OS or the next bug release!

Its not like that. If they cannot do it in real time, at least let us the option to use god damn AOSP Android. I dont want Samsung's crap.
Next Android release is knocking on our doors, and they are delaying every month 2.2 release because they dont know know how to develop.
This is my first Samsung phone and will be my last. Next Android based will be Google's future release.

Well then I'm pretty sure you can find someone who will trade you their Nexus 1 for your SGS, because they also have issue... and also have delay on the fixes because they have to program it, test it, learn to deal with it, correct it, retest it like every other company. And when it's finaly release, they'll have something they forgot or that sliped...
I don't know if you are aware that programing is a real complicated process, you can't do it "real time" because the hardware is different, so you have to rebuilt the drivers, recompile every thing, test, correct, and on, and on...
Just as an example, Froyo SDK was "out" on 20th of may
Nexus one, wich is pretty much endorsed by google, had the update on 26th of june. It's more than a month for a device that's pretty much made by the same people and on wich it was develop, so basically they had thier hands on it since a longuer time.
Now imagine that another company has decided to change radicaly the hardware (CPU, GPU, partition types, etc.) and now have to rewrite everything to fit the new release, you can only assume it'll take a while.
Then, if you think it's not worth the wait, you should buy the most compatible hardware in the first place.

t1mman said:
Well then I'm pretty sure you can find someone who will trade you their Nexus 1 for your SGS, because they also have issue... and also have delay on the fixes because they have to program it, test it, learn to deal with it, correct it, retest it like every other company. And when it's finaly release, they'll have something they forgot or that sliped...
I don't know if you are aware that programing is a real complicated process, you can't do it "real time" because the hardware is different, so you have to rebuilt the drivers, recompile every thing, test, correct, and on, and on...
Just as an example, Froyo SDK was "out" on 20th of may
Nexus one, wich is pretty much endorsed by google, had the update on 26th of june. It's more than a month for a device that's pretty much made by the same people and on wich it was develop, so basically they had thier hands on it since a longuer time.
Now imagine that another company has decided to change radicaly the hardware (CPU, GPU, partition types, etc.) and now have to rewrite everything to fit the new release, you can only assume it'll take a while.
Then, if you think it's not worth the wait, you should buy the most compatible hardware in the first place.
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Finally someone who gets it seriously , these people should stop fooling theirselves.
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t1mman said:
Well then I'm pretty sure you can find someone who will trade you their Nexus 1 for your SGS, because they also have issue... and also have delay on the fixes because they have to program it, test it, learn to deal with it, correct it, retest it like every other company. And when it's finaly release, they'll have something they forgot or that sliped...
I don't know if you are aware that programing is a real complicated process, you can't do it "real time" because the hardware is different, so you have to rebuilt the drivers, recompile every thing, test, correct, and on, and on...
Just as an example, Froyo SDK was "out" on 20th of may
Nexus one, wich is pretty much endorsed by google, had the update on 26th of june. It's more than a month for a device that's pretty much made by the same people and on wich it was develop, so basically they had thier hands on it since a longuer time.
Now imagine that another company has decided to change radicaly the hardware (CPU, GPU, partition types, etc.) and now have to rewrite everything to fit the new release, you can only assume it'll take a while.
Then, if you think it's not worth the wait, you should buy the most compatible hardware in the first place.
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Well, I do work in an corporate IT env, and I know how things like dev, QA, UAT, etc works. At least within my Company a dead line has to be met and it is met. If that release has problems, a QuickFix may be provided to fix it.
My main problem IS the delay itself. First thing Samsung should officially announce a released date. This for poor end users not waiting in vane for something that MIGHT make things work better (most probably not). With 5mil devices sold, Samsung should understand that keeping end users informed is the way to go for future profits. At least half of my friends with SGS are disappointed with software quality and waiting eagerly for something better. Nor me or them will by another Samsung device ever.
Anyway, I dont want a flame. This my opinion.

Ladduro said:
First thing Samsung should officially announce a released date.
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I got to here and stopped reading. This sentence is enough proof you don't really know how to deal with customer relationships. It's obvious they have problems with their builds and are trying to fix it. If they put a solid release date on 2.2 and not deliver it, they would need to do a lot more damage control. If they actually put a solid release date and delay the release, you'd get this kind of thread every 5 seconds on this forum. It's annoying as it is, and anymore would probably make this forum literally unusable with people whining and crying. Don't like the phone? Sell it. It's as simple as that.

thedauntlessone said:
Don't like the phone? Sell it. It's as simple as that.
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Why not just tell Samsung to buy back the phone, so the consumer can get all their money back? Selling a used phone on the open market, usually means the consumer will not get back what they had paid originally.
I feel the reason people want Froyo so bad is because Froyo is supposed to fix a lot of the bugs in the SGS; such as the GPS not working correctly. I also think the reason Samsung keeps pushing back the Froyo release is because they're having problems fixing hardware faults with software. Software fixes can only do so much, if the hardware isn't working properly.

Ladduro said:
Well, I do work in an corporate IT env, and I know how things like dev, QA, UAT, etc works. At least within my Company a dead line has to be met and it is met. If that release has problems, a QuickFix may be provided to fix it.
My main problem IS the delay itself. First thing Samsung should officially announce a released date. This for poor end users not waiting in vane for something that MIGHT make things work better (most probably not). With 5mil devices sold, Samsung should understand that keeping end users informed is the way to go for future profits. At least half of my friends with SGS are disappointed with software quality and waiting eagerly for something better. Nor me or them will by another Samsung device ever.
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So in other words, release garbage which might cause serious issues because the deadline is more important than the quality of the product? It's often pretty obvious to identify which software development companies do that, because often, their products are either incredibly slow moving, or buggy.
Also, that works with a lot of PC software, but on mobile phones, people SERIOUSLY freak when their phone wont boot. If an Application is buggy, you can just upgrade it, but it isn't as easy on a mobile. Development companies should show previews and provide expected shipping dates, but should only announce the exact date when it can be known (near end of testing).
By the way, deadlines are named appropriately I feel. Passengers on a plane might complain when they are late, but what they don't realise is that the alternative's often weren't worth the risk. I'll also remind you "what a customer thinks they want, may not be what they want". In this case, you think you want froyo (for the sake of froyo), but what you actually want is a more usable phone OS. If you can't rely on your phone to work well enough to receive calls without your knowledge, whats the point?

t1mman said:
Well then I'm pretty sure you can find someone who will trade you their Nexus 1 for your SGS, because they also have issue... and also have delay on the fixes because they have to program it, test it, learn to deal with it, correct it, retest it like every other company. And when it's finaly release, they'll have something they forgot or that sliped...
I don't know if you are aware that programing is a real complicated process, you can't do it "real time" because the hardware is different, so you have to rebuilt the drivers, recompile every thing, test, correct, and on, and on...
Just as an example, Froyo SDK was "out" on 20th of may
Nexus one, wich is pretty much endorsed by google, had the update on 26th of june. It's more than a month for a device that's pretty much made by the same people and on wich it was develop, so basically they had thier hands on it since a longuer time.
Now imagine that another company has decided to change radicaly the hardware (CPU, GPU, partition types, etc.) and now have to rewrite everything to fit the new release, you can only assume it'll take a while.
Then, if you think it's not worth the wait, you should buy the most compatible hardware in the first place.
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Yes I am aware of the complex software development process as I am in software development field for more than a decade.
I am not happy because samsung keep changing their froyo release dates and now they dont have an ETA.
That is what is bothering me. I expect them to communicate more clearly, so that we know what to expect. I dont expect lies after lies from samsung.

t1mman said:
Then sell the device and buy an iPhone... you'll see what they will answer when you ask when to expect the next OS or the next bug release!
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That is exactly the reason I did not get an iPhone and I will never get an iPhone

Possible reason for the update delays

Dunno if you guys have seen this. I didn't notice because I usually only hang around here but it just got posted to reddit so I saw it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045
If true, it would definitely explain a lot of things. It does make me dislike Samsung, but hopefully the carriers can strong-arm Samsung into doing what everyone else is doing.
Personally, I bought this phone because it was either this or the Droid X, and the difference was that while the DX might have Froyo now, the odds of Motorola putting Gingerbread on it are less than 100%, and the odds of it getting anything after that are even lower, and with the locked bootloader you can't do anything about it. With the Fascinate, at least we can look forward to community built ROMs for some time into the future, definitely past what Samsung is willing to do (I figure they're never going to even consider putting Gingerbread on the Fascinate what with the LTE phones coming out soon, and SAMOLED+ and all that). People should probably avoid Samsung unless they specifically want the nice hardware and easy hacking, in which case it seems like Samsung is the most lax with security so they're the best choice for hacking.

Hmm, very enlightening, of it's true of course. Sounds entirely plausible though. Oh well, I really don't care anymore, not with kaos and friends on the job.
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This is what we all expected.
But the question is... Why was it released with Eclair when Froyo was released before this phone was released.

wasn't the reason it was released with eclair because of the 1.6 ril or whatever? from what i read, the ril would barely work with eclair and no way for it to work with froyo.
my understanding is that a large part of the magic that kaos is doing was to build a functional ril.

They arent building a new ril. They are hacking android around the current crap ril Samsung gave us.

Don't buy it.
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upsidedownaaron said:
wasn't the reason it was released with eclair because of the 1.6 ril or whatever? from what i read, the ril would barely work with eclair and no way for it to work with froyo.
my understanding is that a large part of the magic that kaos is doing was to build a functional ril.
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That's what jt's been doing, and he ended up just hacking the current Samsung RIL to work. And if you follow his twitter, he said that the RIL from Eclair, Froyo, and Gingerbread on the Android side didn't change much which is why they're jumping straight to Gingerbread instead of wasting time with Eclair.

upsidedownaaron said:
wasn't the reason it was released with eclair because of the 1.6 ril or whatever? from what i read, the ril would barely work with eclair and no way for it to work with froyo.
my understanding is that a large part of the magic that kaos is doing was to build a functional ril.
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Um, wow, what have you been reading? First off, our phone came with 2.1, not 1.6, so I'm not sure where you got that number from.
Secondly, the reason that we (not Samsung) could not build a ROM not based on the stock OEM ROM was because the source code for the RIL that Samsung provided for the Fascinate was bad code, which made it extremely difficult to create a working RIL what will work with a custom OS. However, jt1134 and punk.kaos were able to reverse engineer the bad code into working code, in order to proceed with ROM building.
This has nothing to do with Samsung themselves though. Samsung built the RIL to begin with, so they most certainly can (and have) created RIL code that works with Froyo, quite a long time ago in fact. They released the Galaxy S line with Eclair because that was likely the newest version available when they began developing the OS for those phones. In order to convert the OS to Froyo to launch it on the phone, they would have had to significantly delay the launch, which was not an option. This is likely why so many phones are released with outdated versions of Android. And I would like to point out that if they just put Google's code on there and didn't insist in polluting it with their own proprietary junk, it wouldn't take so long to release in the first place, and wouldn't be so difficult to upgrade later.
Getting back on topic, I figured that the problem with getting these updates really all comes down to money. People have always had to pay for OS upgrades for PCs, but due to Android and iOS, have now come to expect to receive these updates for free. The problem is, somebody has to develop an upgrade process, and test the heck out of it, and those developers have to get paid. So the OEM pays them, and then naturally tries to pass the cost along to the carrier, because they don't want to work for free. The carrier also doesn't want to pay for the upgrade, but also knows they can't get away with charging their customers for it without significant backlash, so they basically just sit there and hope the problem eventually goes away, or that the OEM will finally back down and release the update for free, which is what's been described as our current situation.
If this is really such a big problem, they could be taking steps to not end up in this situation, such as figuring the cost of these upgrades into the price of the phones and/or rate plans. However, the carriers also have added incentive to not push for the upgrades, because that effectively extends the life of the handset, and they want you to keep buying new hardware all the time, since they make money from selling hardware, and lose money on the free upgrades.
In the end, it's all about money. Thankfully we have such a great community of developers here on XDA that are willing to go the extra mile to not only get us our upgrades, but also add cool features and boost the performance way beyond what the manufacturer gave us. Thanks to that, our hardware's lifetime is determined not by when a carrier or OEM pulls support, but rather by when the devices physically die or break, or the hardware becomes too outdated for the tasks we wish to perform. And this way, through donations, we can pay our developers for good upgrades, not our carrier for crappy, bloated ones.

Im not saying its true but the most legitimate explanation for all this bull**** I have actually heard in a while. So for what its worth Im not going to shoot that down. Possibly true at this point.
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ivorycruncher said:
Um, wow, what have you been reading? First off, our phone came with 2.1, not 1.6, so I'm not sure where you got that number from.
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Mrbirdman said it himself, actually. (1.5, but close enough).
http://twitter.com/#!/_mrbirdman_/status/3002051533479936
Anyway, I don't know whether to believe this but it explains why no US carriers have Froyo yet. It's kind of frustrating that Verizon is the only carrier that hasn't even had a leaked Froyo build it seems. Damn ingrates spoiling leaks for the rest of us.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the link. I admit that tweet came before I followed him on twitter, so I hadn't seen that. I can see how that would complicate matters though.

This is the last farkin' time I ever buy a Samsung phone. Shame on me for believing their lies when they said they'd support it.

If that user is really violating an NDA, he's already fired, and the XDA admins would be hearing from lawyers demanding they remove the thread.
Sounds like it's just more trumped up bull**** designed to stir up the masses. Who knows really, but all I know is I wasn't stupid enough to purchase a phone based on future "promises."

Jake_Mongoose said:
This is the last farkin' time I ever buy a Samsung phone. Shame on me for believing their lies when they said they'd support it.
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You might wanna rethink that. Why, you ask? Because Samsung puts out some of the best hardware available, especially the screens, and we always have devs that can hack up the code to make it better than it ever would have been with a stock ROM. HTC isn't too bad, though the issue with rooting the G2 is certainly raising some eyebrows, but if you were thinking about Motorola, have fun with your locked bootloader and other fun tricks that attempt to squash community development. Aside from lousy source code, Samsung phones are the easiest to root and customize due to the unlocked bootloader. You can basically just flash anything you want with ODIN, no problem.

It is not necessarily the case in the future because Tab reportedly has locked boot loader. This said people already found workaround, but who knows?..

That is true. Nobody knows what the future holds. In any case, if you have no problem loading custom software from XDA devs on your phone, then OEM software support should not even be on the list of requirements when buying a phone. I now make my phone purchasing decisions purely based on hardware specs and quality. If it's a quality piece of hardware with the features I want, on my carrier of choice (Verizon), I will buy it, regardless of manufacturer or UI. Warranties and insurance work the same no matter who makes it, and software updates come from XDA, so nothing else really matters. But then again, that's just my opinion.

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That is true. Nobody knows what the future holds. In any case, if you have no problem loading custom software from XDA devs on your phone, then OEM software support should not even be on the list of requirements when buying a phone. I now make my phone purchasing decisions purely based on hardware specs and quality. If it's a quality piece of hardware with the features I want, on my carrier of choice (Verizon), I will buy it, regardless of manufacturer or UI. Warranties and insurance work the same no matter who makes it, and software updates come from XDA, so nothing else really matters. But then again, that's just my opinion.
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Yup, this is how I've decided to make phone decisions from now on as well. As long as the phone's software can be replaced by XDA, I don't care too much about the manufacturer's updates.

J Shed said:
If that user is really violating an NDA, he's already fired, and the XDA admins would be hearing from lawyers demanding they remove the thread.
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It is easier to hide posting on a forum than it is sending a tip into an online news outlet, at least in general. Also, by posting it in a forum, it is entirely likely that it will be up for longer than it would be if posted at say, Engadget, because it takes longer for news to show up in major outlets if posted in a forum first as opposed to a news site. If it were posted at Engadget or another tech blog, they are likely watched over very closely for potential NDA breaches, etc. I doubt Samsung looks are random forums/subforums/threads nearly as close.

IF it were $$ couldn't we as users pay like $20 for Froyo...
x 3 million phones = more than enough to pay for DEV

I don't buy it.
Why?
Because these companies work off of contracts. Verizon would know exactly what they were getting into before signing. If Samsung decides to breach said contract, fine, let Verizon sue the hell out of them. Lastly, Verizon would not have sold or marketed docks that rely on 2.2, if they had no intention of releasing it.
Actually one more thing. If US Carriers were refusing, Samsung would halt development. We are seeing new leaks for the other US models all the time, and Verizon is still being worked on (but not leaked).
This is a case of where 2+2=5=false.

Samaung testing 2.3 on our I9000!

Samfirmware twittered last night http://mobile.twitter.com/samfirmware/status/34382086026567681
Samsung test Android 2.3 for i9000 and p1000 we have no more info at the moment.
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This is very good news!

Why make another thread for this ? It's already in the "Android 2.3 any info?" post.. It's XDA Forum here, not Twitter, we don't need zillion of posts about 2.3 status.

very good!!!!!

I think they testing on their own i9000 because mine still got 2.2 froyo wich is also not official rom because no foryo yet released for pakistan

samsung is extremely lazy in releasing updates, so relax and go to sleep !

Haven't they been 'testing' for months....
Useless!!
I was personally told they were testing 2.3 before froyo was even released for the sgs.
Come upgrade day, not sure I will stick with Samsung, I love my sgs but the updates and software coding they do to their own android versions, really does suck.
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While i agree with the Samsung bashing about software quality and other updates.
Is there any real benefit to roms on other devices. I know of cyanogen name miui. But at the end of the day there ain't too much of a benefit over what we already have.
At the end of the day what Samsung may lack in software they made up for in the hardware on our devices.
Everybody here will have done their research before buying the device, it weren't hard to work out Samsung were still getting to grips with android.
Im sure in time they will mature and make very good software, but this will take time. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Totally agree man, the SGS was my first android, and also my first Samsung and I have been with them ever since. I have bought a nexus S the day it came out. Samsung hardware is great but they seemed to be overwhelmed with the different models and such. And with the SGS2 coming out soon, I am not sure about 2.3 for us. However that is why XDA is so important for us.
Rome might not be built in a day, but ROMs can be
SkinBobUk said:
While i agree with the Samsung bashing about software quality and other updates.
Is there any real benefit to roms on other devices. I know of cyanogen name miui. But at the end of the day there ain't too much of a benefit over what we already have.
At the end of the day what Samsung may lack in software they made up for in the hardware on our devices.
Everybody here will have done their research before buying the device, it weren't hard to work out Samsung were still getting to grips with android.
Im sure in time they will mature and make very good software, but this will take time. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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While I appreciate the fine work done on the xda ROM's, I would much rather like the official ROM that has undergone a lot of testing and has the backing of the manufacturer. Since Samsung has not given any indication of its commitment to a phone beyond a few months, the Galaxy S would probably be the last Samsung product that I buy.

chrisjcks said:
Haven't they been 'testing' for months....
Useless!!
I was personally told they were testing 2.3 before froyo was even released for the sgs. Come upgrade day, not sure I will stick with Samsung, I love my sgs but the updates and software coding they do to their own android versions, really does suck.
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This might come as a shock, but it's one thing to ship a customised ROM with plenty of upgrade issues (etc).
It's a total other for a major company to do so. I know the guys at XDA make ROM development seem easy, but the reality is, that's because Samsung has already done most the work for them.. Lets be realistic, any ROM out there in the community which isn't a slightly modified Samsung ROM, is extremely buggy still.. Furthermore, Samsung needs to consider the various rebranded models, etc.

Auzy said:
This might come as a shock, but it's one thing to ship a customised ROM with plenty of upgrade issues (etc).
It's a total other for a major company to do so. I know the guys at XDA make ROM development seem easy, but the reality is, that's because Samsung has already done most the work for them.. Lets be realistic, any ROM out there in the community which isn't a slightly modified Samsung ROM, is extremely buggy still.. Furthermore, Samsung needs to consider the various rebranded models, etc.
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Bro, have you tried CM7? It's fricken amazing.
A lot of folks here on XDA are (almost) as talented, or even more so, than half the clowns working at Samsung. I'm sure they learn a thing or two from around here.
Only reason the Nexus S is so good is because Google did all the development.
Yes, Samsung has eventually shipped very nice & fast 2.2.1 ROMs. But how long did it take, and how long will it take for Gingerbread?
I'm placing my faith in CM7 which will continue to improve.

chambo622 said:
Bro, have you tried CM7? It's fricken amazing.
A lot of folks here on XDA are (almost) as talented, or even more so, than half the clowns working at Samsung. I'm sure they learn a thing or two from around here.
Only reason the Nexus S is so good is because Google did all the development.
Yes, Samsung has eventually shipped very nice & fast 2.2.1 ROMs. But how long did it take, and how long will it take for Gingerbread?
I'm placing my faith in CM7 which will continue to improve.
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I wouldn't doubt samsung used some of the kernel devs from heres code in their 2.2.1 roms (namely lastufo, hardcore and trasig)

jaganm said:
While I appreciate the fine work done on the xda ROM's, I would much rather like the official ROM that has undergone a lot of testing and has the backing of the manufacturer. Since Samsung has not given any indication of its commitment to a phone beyond a few months, the Galaxy S would probably be the last Samsung product that I buy.
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Unfortunately that is also my point of view and I cannot spend my hard earned money to a company that cannot commit itself to it's costumers. Probably the Galaxy S will be the last phone from Samsung that I buy.
On a side note, I'm looking forward for the Nokia / Microsoft partnership. I played with a WP7 this days and I got very surprise by the build quality and software.

Arkymedes said:
Unfortunately that is also my point of view and I cannot spend my hard earned money to a company that cannot commit itself to it's costumers. Probably the Galaxy S will be the last phone from Samsung that I buy.
On a side note, I'm looking forward for the Nokia / Microsoft partnership. I played with a WP7 this days and I got very surprise by the build quality and software.
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WP7 would be mistake buddy ....

if we can't get 2.3 from samsung, maybe ROM modders here in XDA can

chambo622 said:
Bro, have you tried CM7? It's fricken amazing.
A lot of folks here on XDA are (almost) as talented, or even more so, than half the clowns working at Samsung. I'm sure they learn a thing or two from around here.
Only reason the Nexus S is so good is because Google did all the development.
Yes, Samsung has eventually shipped very nice & fast 2.2.1 ROMs. But how long did it take, and how long will it take for Gingerbread?
I'm placing my faith in CM7 which will continue to improve.
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I'm afraid this post is pure tripe!
CM7 is nowhere near stable yet; not even all the "advertised" features work! I'm not bashing them, because they know there's still bugs, but just think for a minute.... how vocal would you be, in a very demeaning manner, if Samsung had put out CM7 as it stands now?
As for Google "doing all the development [on Nexus S] - I think you'll find that they only did (at most) 50%. Most, if not all, the initial hardware driver support, which is the KEY to making Android work on any device, will have been done by Samsung, as it's them who has the knowledge, skills & facilities to make the phone. Once you've got the hardware drivers / abstraction layer; its very easy to put any OS you want on top! (do you really, really think there's a huge hardware difference between Samsung's Bada, Android, WP7 & even Symbian phones?)
Now, I'm not saying Samsung are the best at delivering updates, but they're better than some *cough* Motorola *cough* and their hardware is still the pinnacle of what's available. And yes, there's a few talented people on XDA, but there's also a hell of a lot more who muddy the waters and generally add to the nonsense going round by wrongly accusing Samsung / XDA devs / polar bears of X, Y, & Z.

Some of you have to take a good look into all that is "technology" and the likes...Most likely, once a device is out, YOU WILL NOT GET MAJOR UPDATES besides bug correction. And this is valid for every company.
Consider yourself lucky to get major release like 2.2 or 2.3, most of the others makers (HTC, Sony, Motorola) are still on 2.1.
Take a good look there and see by yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Android_devices
Most of the devices don't even have 2.2.1 and the only one with 2.3 is still Nexus S.
WP7 had a long run before releasing the first bug correction (not even sure if it's out yet...)
Even worst, iOs users have to PAY for their release
So, you can complain all you want but reality is far from what you are thinking...
Now, as for 2.3, it's supposed to be optimised for SGS hardware (because of the Nexus S), can't wait to see how it goes!

theres a good chance we will get 2.3 because galaxy s phone are still being sold and the 4g ones

I sincerely hope samsung is gonna surprise us one of these days (even then probably later rather than sooner), since 2.3 is finally optimized for the hummingbird aswell... Also the screen shutdown animation kicks ass.
On another note: Samsung should really communicate better, and ffs train your customer support. I tried to poke for some information earlier this week, and I got a response saying: Samsung is not responsible for the updates, please contact the responsible party, in this case "Android".

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General irritation on Samsung/ICS/Android

Today is pretty much a sad day for Samsung, ICS and Android in general, in my opinion.
Androids latest version, ICS, has been released about 5 months ago. Today, the most important Android device available on the planet, has not yet seen an update to this latest version yet, and I think that is something to be ashamed of. As a pretty normal user, I don't know and don't really care how much development goes on before releasing a new version, but a company that sells 300 million handsets in a year (of which at least 20 million of this type of handset that have cost the user somewhere between 400 and 550 euro's) I expect some more dedication to deliver a finished product worthy of it's name, fame and money. Google should be very upset that their latest product stays more or less hidden from public for about 6 months in this high paced market because multi-billion multinationals choose to dedicate too few people to get the software side of things sorted out.
All the false rumours don't really add to the experience of having a top-end device. Countless piles of crap have been pushed out by various dubious sources simply because Samsung does not wish to pin itself to a date. They knew, that people would have been outraged if they had stated in october that ICS would be released on the Android phone as much as half a year later. Instead, they let the irritation smolder and only give some vague hints once or twice during the whole period.
In my opinion, smartphone use is not as much about hardware as many of the Android manufacturers and users would like to see. The race for top specs will probably look quite ridiculous a few years from now. The secret to having an amazing device has it's foundation in good hardware (not neccesarily top notch hardware though) and esthetics/design, but without proper software this foundation will still be only a foundation. Nobody likes to own the best foundation in the world when there are no walls, windows, furniture, household appliances and great looks and functionality to make the living pleasureable. Off course, Samsung does provide us with all that in some way or another, but it is lagging behind seriously, especially compared to the competing major OS'es.
Naturally, every Android user has the possibility to blast everything off the foundation and build something custom on it, being either Samsung stuff with some extra things and paint added or removed, or being prefab Cyanogenmod or MIUI or whatever, but unfortunately this argument is worth almost nothing since it is again Samsung who decides when the bits and pieces become available for custom building, and this is lagging even further behind than their own software building, much to the irritation of the developers of custom firmware.
So, to sum it up, I think this has been a praticularly bad day for all SGS2 Android smartphone lovers. And being beaten to it by some other competing manufacturer does not help!
Thanks for listening

Dude, relax. It is just a phone. An nice one, but still a phone.

waaaaaaa
You do know Samsung don't have to release an update right?

Next time get a Nexus device, any other flavoured Android build takes time for adaptation and I'll rather they did a good job than rush a half baked build.
Your rant suggests you lack a fundamental understanding of the process.

Huge post lol
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i would rather have a stable rom with a bit of delay than a buggy one (doesnt apply to cyanogen mod )
and what are you on about its been about 3 months from the release of galaxy nexus
and anyways ics is coming tomorrow
we did have beta roms from december and we could see samsung patching bugs in each successive build this is what xda is we all work together to make our devices better and better

Stop moaning, HTC have just started rolling out ICS in certain regions, what about other Android manufacturers? Where's LG, where's Motorola? Where are their ICS leaks etc etc applies to all.
Each manufacturer has their own overlay on top of ICS this takes time and testing to get it right, it's a few months late oh well at least 2.3.6 is running fine though, there's no need for Samsung to update our phones to ICS they're a business do you think they care how long we have to wait no, they'd rather make money and focus on getting ICS running on their next flagship model then current flagship.
We will get it just a matter of when, if you don't like it get a Nexus, also made by Samsung.
All these posts bashing Samsung its just all the tech blogs making things worse!
If you dont like it get an iPhone or better yet a symbian device!
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lol, u mad

I would like the OP to tell me one thing that he/she can do on ICS that they can't do on gingerbread. And make it a decent example and not something like "monitor data usage" which I agree is nice to be built in but nothing that can't be done already with an app.
The way this post has been worded with all the "house/foundation" metaphor you would think that the SGS2 doesn't work at all atm and needs ICS to make it functional, which we all know is rubbish.
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@bluefa1con ICS is not coming tomorrow, they went back on their word this morning.
anyway, you're right, and i'm a bit disappointed because Samsung have been best buddy with Google since Google Dev Day 2011, they have access to early build of their OS, they even produced 2 Nexus phones for them, there's a huge meaning behind this, but still, Samsung waited till the last moment to start working on their flagship device, first leaked build started coming out after official ics aosp release, and their work is progressing very slowly, but, like someone before me said, it's just a phone, i just love playing around with it, and i don't mind waiting till april/may for a stable rom, all i want from them are kernel sources.

I completly agree with OP-post.
My rage is simple, I mean, We're the owners of the fastest and best device in 2011 and we still didnt even had a actual DATE. The only thing, that was said: "Q1 2012". If I remember correctly, they said that Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note will have the update at Q1.
But let me tell you this, if they're still delaying date, and giving wrong info at their official(!) website, it seems that SGS2 ICS is not ready or something, that means that Galaxy Note is even out of place, probably, it will have the update somewhere at Q2 of 2012. It's totally unacceptable from such big and sucessful company as Samsung. We can't trust them, simply, they say one thing, tomorrow it will be "wrong" or something.
Samsung making great devices, and I love them, but the thing as they communicate with their customers, with their community - is just unacceptable. They won so much awards for their phone, and they, still, can't release their update to us.
Next time, i'll go to pure Google Phone.
Sorry for my poor English.

It is simple..they just dont respect us..hope there will be day they pay for this..
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dorian95 said:
I completly agree with OP-post.
My rage is simple, I mean, We're the owners of the fastest and best device in 2011 and we still didnt even had a actual DATE. The only thing, that was said: "Q1 2012". If I remember correctly, they said that Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note will have the update at Q1.
But let me tell you this, if they're still delaying date, and giving wrong info at their official(!) website, it seems that SGS2 ICS is not ready or something, that means that Galaxy Note is even out of place, probably, it will have the update somewhere at Q2 of 2012. It's totally unacceptable from such big and sucessful company as Samsung. We can't trust them, simply, they say one thing, tomorrow it will be "wrong" or something.
Samsung making great devices, and I love them, but the thing as they communicate with their customers, with their community - is just unacceptable. They won so much awards for their phone, and they, still, can't release their update to us.
Next time, i'll go to pure Google Phone.
Sorry for my poor English.
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Same here mate..Those guys who have the GNEX are having the last laugh now. They even got a HTC sense 4.0 port as well those lucky bastards....I am gonna hold off till that release instead of going for the s3

About a year ago HTC decide to close their phones. That's why i decide to change to Samsung. And with me a lot of other HTC users. You are wright. This is not the way to communicate with your customers. This Samsung phone is my first and last one.
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Think about it this way a large proportion of users don't give a crap about what firmware is running on their phone as long as it works, us geeks or enthusiasts may give a crap, but my sister has got an S2, several other work colleagues have them to and none of them even know about custom roms and such let alone an update to ICS so to the mass it's not a major priority in having the latest or greatest firmware as long as they can use their phones that's what they care about.
Several work colleagues are still on the original firmware and I've told them to update but they don't care or don't have the technological ability to do so.
There is a higher percentage of normal users compared to us at XDA who make a minority.
And for those who say this will be their last Samsung device good for you, go buy a Nexus oh wait that's made by Samsung as well! I'll continue to enjoy my device running on gingerbread which works beautifully also knowing the fact it's still the best phone available currently apart from the Note which I consider a niche and better than the s2.
If you want aosp buy a Nexus otherwise deal with the fact that it takes longer to get an update. It's the way it is on Android, look at the other manufacturers as well its common. That's the problem with an open source system compared to iOS where there are a selected few devices so updates are quicker to roll out on the product lines.
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So what is next after ics update? There are going to be complaints that ics is bad, its touch wiz bla bla bla.
Ics is not going to turn your phone into super powered alien or going to give you 10 days backup. Why can't you people just wait.
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bala_gamer said:
So what is next after ics update? There are going to be complaints that ics is bad, its touch wiz bla bla bla.
Ics is not going to turn your phone into super powered alien or going to give you 10 days backup. Why can't you people just wait.
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Why does Touchwiz still look the same, along those lines.... Why is it still green, etc etc.
TouchWiz 5 will be for the next flagship.
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I like GB.

Powereh said:
waaaaaaa
You do know Samsung don't have to release an update right?
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As in a contractual obligation? No indeed, I know that. But aparently (look around here on XDA) it is expected. Dissapoint customers too long, and you will be ditched for the one who doesn't.
Frostfree said:
Next time get a Nexus device, any other flavoured Android build takes time for adaptation and I'll rather they did a good job than rush a half baked build.
Your rant suggests you lack a fundamental understanding of the process.
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Yeah, because getting a Nexus device will get you there quicker Most Nexus S users are still waiting on their update to ICS since updating was stopped at dec 20th.
And somewhere in my post I did mention myself that I lack fundamental understanding of the process of building firmware for handsets, thanks for repeating that to me. That doesn't mean I'm unable to compare this process to other processes and draw conclusions as a customer.
Updating on Android is slow and ceases quickly (this will probably be the last major update for the SGS2 already), so when developing stuff for Android you need to take at least 5 different versions of the OS into concideration because the market shares of the versions are very fragmented. A nuisance for developers, and also for users stuck on Froyo for example who cannot install some app because the developer chose to only build it for 2.3+ to save some time and money.

If you guys dont care that much, why you're replaying to this kind of threads?
The only thing I am talking about, is lack of communication between customer and Samsung. How the hell they can give fresh news about ICS update on their official website, and then, immidiatly, deleting it, and telling in twitter something about "wrong date". How cool is that?
They can at least say one time 100% date, but they're just keep all in secret, that's not the good way how they should treat to custumers of best device in 2011.
I'm still shocked how Galaxy Note users keep waiting for it, one leak, no news, no everything. Obviously, Sammy didnt release ICS for them in March, then, their saying about "Galaxy Note & Galaxy S2 ICS in Q1 2012" is wrong.