As reported by androidandme.com, It seems as though an agreement has been made for Verizon and Motorola to have the first phone to ship* with Gingerbread (2.5).
http://androidandme.com/2010/09/news/motorola-and-verizon-score-gingerbread-exclusive/
As stated above, the wording seems to be first shipped* with GB, not necessarily first device to receive the update. With Verizon having the largest ad campaign for Android phones, coupled with the farthest deviation from the stock OS, it does a lot to harm (dis-unify) the Brand Identity of Android.
Read it, and not only is everything in that article speculation; It doesn't say a damn thing about Verizon/Motorola getting a Gingerbread deal (with any real proof). In fact, nothing in that article has any proof.
I hate this read.
So far the nexus has gotten everything first. Lets hope we get a taste of gingerbread as well.
The N1 will be among the first to get it, does it really matter that much which phone ships with it first?
There is so much misinformation that article, out reads like the onion.
Pfft, whats the big deal.. someone will be first, why not motorola.
Besides, since we're here at xda, u'll get the gingerbread before those phones hit the market anyway.
And I'm sure that google won't let exclusivity for android phones. Not that it's even possible with an open-source system.
IF any other crappy phone takes Gingerbread BEFORE my Nexus...
I´ll put it on Ebay and pick an Iphone4:
At least I´ll have the security that my phone will be up to date on time and that at least it will deliver what promises: antenna malfunction included.
Sounds like more mis-information The Nexus 1 will hopefully get it 1st
the nexus is googles official dev phone. which means gingerbread is most likely being developed using a nexus so i doubt any other phones will recieve it first unless google has another dev phone by then
There´s only one positive answer to the thread´s question:
-Motorola Strike= Nexus Two
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1- Besides, since we're here at xda, u'll get the gingerbread before those phones hit the market anyway.
2- And I'm sure that google won't let exclusivity for android phones. Not that it's even possible with an open-source system.
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if google holds onto the source until a phone ships with gingerbread then not only would that phone have it before the n1 (1) but that would also give android exclusivitiy (2) which in the long run may actually really help both android and google (and of course motorola and verizon ).
Now obviously roms leak all the time and some hacked up version would land on the n1 but to me it seems that doesn't count. AOSP and OTA are what count for an update being "official"...no?
and really...who cares?
Why I think the Nexus One will see Gingerbread first?
Because Motorola loads up their devices with Bloatware. Motorola can not even release the Milestone with 2.2 until Q1 2011 to get it to work with the MotoBLur software.
Dude I don't understand why some of yall actually think the N1 won't see gingerbread first. I'm almost sure Google has stated somewhere that it is. Also the N1 is the google developer phone. Even if it's not there to buy anymore, it's still google's developer phone..... they have said that.
We got 2.2 first, months before some. Why wouldn't we get 2.5/.3.0 (whatever they decide to call it) first? We will...
Being old I long since lost the need to dickslap. Who cares who gets it first, more power to them. There is no doubt we will get it in short order regardless of whether we are actually the first. That is in contrast to many which will never recieve it without downloading it via a custom rom which the vast majority are not even aware they can do. I am glad I am where I am with phones, there is still not another piece of hardware out there I percieve as being worth a spend. I suspect as it continues to age another developer phone will be annointed and I'll be there. Its good to keep in mind that google said they were getting out of the business model, not out of developing a phone period or having a part in the development of a new handset.
ok, so here is how android works. Google makes/upgrades Android, this is a very basic version (stock OS). This version is only able to work with the dev phones. It is then up to the responsobility of the maufacturere (moto, htc, etc) to get it to work with their phone. So the instant that gingerbread is completed it only works for the Nexus One, it then takes weeks/months for other manufactures to get it working on their specific phones. So too fool yourself into thinking that the nexus one wont get the Os update first is just false. The dev phones will ALWAYS get the updates first, assmuming the hardware can handle it.
P.S. I concider the moto droid a dev phone even though it officially was not one.
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Dude I don't understand why some of yall actually think the N1 won't see gingerbread first. I'm almost sure Google has stated somewhere that it is. Also the N1 is the google developer phone. Even if it's not there to buy anymore, it's still google's developer phone..... they have said that.
We got 2.2 first, months before some. Why wouldn't we get 2.5/.3.0 (whatever they decide to call it) first? We will...
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Techincally when N1 got 2.2 the "developer phone" was the mytouch, so the current dev phone doesn't always get the update first.
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Techincally when N1 got 2.2 the "developer phone" was the mytouch, so the current dev phone doesn't always get the update first.
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Actually the dev phone was the HTC magic, mytouch was a carrier version. Technically your right, but I'm guessing as soon as Google's baby, the nexus, was released it took over dev status even if not officially announced
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didnt the deal say something about the first phone to keyword SHIP with gingerbread, I have confidence that the N1 will be the first phone to get Gingerbread
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Well, the Cupcake release looks great as it adds loads of new features and bug fixes!
I was just wondering how one would install it on the G1? And when we would we be able to do so?
Hi, thanks for your reply in my thread btw I have read that it will be OTA (over the air i think)? So should be wireless and automatic, but then again I only found that out by one website 10 minutes ago
where did you find out info on the cupcake upgrade, cuz I never heard of it yet and would like to know more.
Googling it isnt so hard is it?
This one is nice..
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where did you find out info on the cupcake upgrade, cuz I never heard of it yet and would like to know more.
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Googling it isnt so hard is it?
This one is nice..
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Or look at the thread in the developers sub-forum...
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Well, the Cupcake release looks great as it adds loads of new features and bug fixes!
I was just wondering how one would install it on the G1? And when we would we be able to do so?
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You can either
1. (For those running RC30 stock) you will be notified that an update is available and a reboot is required. Just hit reboot and you will phone will install the update and come back up on its own.
2. (for those with root or RC30 stock) download the update package from Google, rename it to update.zip and put it on your sdcard. Turn off your phone and turn it back on again holding power + home. You will eventually see a picture of a phone with a exclamation point. open the keyboard and hit alt+L and then alt+s. The update will be applied and then you will be prompted to hit home+back to restart.
Cupcake's on-screen keyboard shown on T-Mobile G1!!
here is a link showing the on screen keyboard that will be released with the g1 cupcake update
http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/22/cupcakes-on-screen-keyboard-shown-on-t-mobile-g1/
Before everyone gets excited read this:
Of course, we're at the mercy of T-Mobile and HTC for getting this onto retail G1s, so it really makes a strong case for picking up a Dev Phone 1, doesn't it?
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It is not official or the G1 retail RC30.
If you are gonna get upset reading and watching those videos, take those feelings elsewhere, please.
Any idea on a release date for cupcake on stock rc30?
most likely early Jan
Discussion about Cupcake....G1 involved
And here I thought it was a given.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/30/cupcake-confirmed-for-t-mobile-g1/
Wow. If T-Mobile are going to refuse to give us Android updates later, even though the G1 will be capable of handling all of them for a long time to come (maybe because they want us to upgrade to a new phone), then I've lost all hope for the Android platform altogether.
Who knows what T-Mobile could do out of greed? When the G2 comes out, perhaps they will force us to get that in order to get the latest Android updates... But if HTC isn't even 100% sure that the G1 will get Cupcake unofficially, then I'm suspecting something sour on T-Mobile's end.
Say the G1 post RC30 never gets a proper jailbreak exploit. G1 users may all be stuck on some outdated update.
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And here I thought it was a given.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/30/cupcake-confirmed-for-t-mobile-g1/
Wow. If T-Mobile are going to refuse to give us Android updates later, even though the G1 will be capable of handling all of them for a long time to come (maybe because they want us to upgrade to a new phone), then I've lost all hope for the Android platform altogether.
Who knows what T-Mobile could do out of greed? When the G2 comes out, perhaps they will force us to get that in order to get the latest Android updates... But if HTC isn't even 100% sure that the G1 will get Cupcake unofficially, then I'm suspecting something sour on T-Mobile's end.
Say the G1 post RC30 never gets a proper jailbreak exploit. G1 users may all be stuck on some outdated update.
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well, you have to understand that T-Mobile and Google need to work to ensure that the everyday customer will benefit from this update. Yes the new functionality is great but if there are security problems with it, it wont be logical to deploy to thousands upon thousands of customers. Look at the bigger picture. If you want complete control over your device and want to use cupcake everyday, the DevPhone is your option. only 10% of g1 users are devs.
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well, you have to understand that T-Mobile and Google need to work to ensure that the everyday customer will benefit from this update. Yes the new functionality is great but if there are security problems with it, it wont be logical to deploy to thousands upon thousands of customers. Look at the bigger picture. If you want complete control over your device and want to use cupcake everyday, the DevPhone is your option. only 10% of g1 users are devs.
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There's the Dev Phone argument again. There's two problems with the dev phone:
1. G1 Early adopters (I'm in this camp)
2. No cheaper option with a contract
HTC is implying they aren't 100% sure if Cupcake will ever come to the G1. This, I think, is pretty dangerous thinking.
Well basically Google developes the updates then gives them to Tmobile. Then Tmobile decides if it meets their standards then they release it. Its not official till Tmobile says they are going to push it out. I doubt Tmobile wouldn't release it but they never officially release Winmo 6.1 but you can still get it.
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Well basically Google developes the updates then gives them to Tmobile. Then Tmobile decides if it meets their standards then they release it. Its not official till Tmobile says they are going to push it out. I doubt Tmobile wouldn't release it but they never officially release Winmo 6.1 but you can still get it.
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You can only do that if you have a "jailbroken" phone (pardon the vocabulary). And that's just not possible with the official RC30 now.
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There's the Dev Phone argument again. There's two problems with the dev phone:
1. G1 Early adopters (I'm in this camp)
2. No cheaper option with a contract
HTC is implying they aren't 100% sure if Cupcake will ever come to the G1. This, I think, is pretty dangerous thinking.
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yes i understand that is the devphone argument, i too am an early adopter, but i am also one that jailbroke (i hate that term) rooted my phone.
of course there is no cheaper option with a contract - discounts on handsets for contracts is called subsidy - which means that the carrier discounts the phone in exchange for a contract. there are no discounts without contracts.
if you read the article that you wrote about it clearly states that HTC is out of the loop, they build the hardware, then the carrier bids for it, then google writes android for that targeted device and t-mobile adds its software to it and it is BRANDED to T-Mobile (which falls in line with the subsidy)
HTC does not control when/why/how or the what of updates so clearly HTC can only speculate that the update will be available. they do not have any hand in delivering updates to T-Mobile G1s.
G1 Cupcake update released?
I was just on the line with customer support for T-Mobile (g1 keeps freezing) and the woman asked me what firmware i had.I told her I had RC30, and then she said "Ok because I know we just released the Cupcake update, and i received a lot of calls from Arizona yesterday about it." She said she was notified that it started rolling out as well.
Obviously take it with a grain of salt from a CS rep, but the fact that she knew about Cupcake gives a little hope.......right?
Sounds promising (I don't think she'd mention it if they'd put it on themselves). I know CS reps are kinda unreliable, I got my G1 today, and had an indian guy who kept asking his friend in the background what to say =/ Also wanted to charge me £250 for "Default" options i never asked... I specifically chose a price plan I knew I could afford as it's my first contract (actually my girlfriend pays for it, but its her first contract too, since we live together, our money is shared) I hardly ever go abroad so i'd never use the International calling, Voice + Data roaming which were apparently activated by defualt. Imagine having your credit rating destroyed at 18!!
I hope the G1 version of cupcake comes with a small onscreen keyboard like WM phones, i hate having to flip the phone out do do a one word reply or something... And possibly autorotate, atleast on pictures!
lol CS reps rely on rumors and **** too...
well I'm speaking of in store reps actually. I went to pre-order my G1 (thought I had to do it in store) and I asked if he had a place to sign up for one, and he said nah, its not coming out for a month, we are getting that....and the Android phone...and I'm like wtf? whats the android? he's like I'll show you...and he shows me an image of the Touch HD. lol.
I knew he was wrong from the get, but i wanted to see where he was going with this.
japan fast wtf!
As previously reported, we all know that the Google Nexus One will be the first to get the Android 2.2 update OTA. Our guess was that Motorola Droid and HTC Incredible would be next but now new information has come to light that shows another contender.Bill from Android Forum has just informed us that his contact at Sprint has revealed that the HTC Evo 4G will be second to receive the Android 2.2 update. So basically Sprint will be rolling out the update in the same month of the Evo 4G's release ( release date rumored to be Labor day or after speculations that the HTC Evo 4G will come with 5GB to 8GB ROM OZCAR will be attending the Google I/O event this year and will report back on Android 2.2's ong list of goodies. At the moment, we know that it includes Flash support and will free up additional RAM. Furthermore there is now news that since Google bought BumpTop, Android 2.2 could even bring your phone a 3D home screen!
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http://www.ozcarguide.com/technology/cellphone-pda/2961-htc-evo-4g-android-22-nexus-one
Credible source, or random speculation?
What do Nexus owner's have now? Sexiness, developer support? We still get Froyo first - but not as "first" as people thought.
I'm trying to figure out why you're upset? Because EVO is going to get 2.2?
Exactly what OS would you propose the EVO get? Are all devices supposed to sit at 2.1 and the Nexus only get upgrades?
The Nexus gets it first, I'm thrilled, and it's all a Nexus owner can hope for.
I'm glad the EVO will launch with 2.2. I want to see Android do well, HTC too.
Oh, and what do I have now? The best mobile device I've ever owned, that's what.
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I'm trying to figure out why you're upset? Because EVO is going to get 2.2?
Exactly what OS would you propose the EVO get? Are all devices supposed to sit at 2.1 and the Nexus only get upgrades?
The Nexus gets it first, I'm thrilled, and it's all a Nexus owner can hope for.
I'm glad the EVO will launch with 2.2. I want to see Android do well, HTC too.
Oh, and what do I have now? The best mobile device I've ever owned, that's what.
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I'm not upset lol, I included the last part in order to cause frustration among people who thought the Nexus was going to get updated months before the Incredible, Evo, and other Android devices. Google is slowly stopping fragmentation though, and we only know that the Evo is possibly getting it so soon.
In order to start conversation, you must include controversial, irritable, or suspicious questions. People start to talk then..
People were using Froyo coming to us quickly as an excuse to not get the Incredible, or Evo - that can't be used for long.
very sad.... rooted nexus one can't get update for froyo even if u revert back to original stock rom ... right ?? i am very sad lol
xzr3b0rnzx said:
very sad.... rooted nexus one can't get update for froyo even if u revert back to original stock rom ... right ?? i am very sad lol
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dont be sad because even though you wont get the actual OTA someone who did might be kind enough to post it. root or not rooted users will both end up with the update. the only difference will be how you get it.
Nah, the stock 2.2 rom may very well be available to flash before the unmodded guys get the ota. You're not going to miss out on anything so no worries.
XDA will see it before EVO
A) No, ozcarguide is NOT a credible source. I have my news Widget set to check for "Android" and ozcarguide often pops up with news posts that are totally garbage.
Basic rule of thumb: don't trust lesser-known websites that post articles and don't have comments. If they don't have comments, that means the site isn't popular enough and may just be filled with BS in order to get page views. Also, don't trust news "articles" that are 2-3 paragraphs long.
B) I too don't understand why you're upset. Android has been absolutely blasted by every news source on the internet for fragmentation issues.
Google's goal is now (or should be to quiet people down) to have every SINGLE device running 2.2 the day it's released.
C) Stock Android devices will get 2.2 working MUCH earlier than Sense UI devices. Even if the article is true (which I'm betting it's not), it only says the Evo 4G will receive 2.2 "second". Nowhere does it give a specific time frame aside from "the same month" it's released.
2.2 could come out June 1st for the N1 and hit the Evo on June 30th. And remember, the June release for the Evo is still rumor at best.
D) Like galaxys posted, the N1 will be running 2.2 within minutes of it being released (or leaked)
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A) No, ozcarguide is NOT a credible source. I have my news Widget set to check for "Android" and ozcarguide often pops up with news posts that are totally garbage.
Basic rule of thumb: don't trust lesser-known websites that post articles and don't have comments. If they don't have comments, that means the site isn't popular enough and may just be filled with BS in order to get page views. Also, don't trust news "articles" that are 2-3 paragraphs long.
B) I too don't understand why you're upset. Android has been absolutely blasted by every news source on the internet for fragmentation issues.
Google's goal is now (or should be to quiet people down) to have every SINGLE device running 2.2 the day it's released.
C) Stock Android devices will get 2.2 working MUCH earlier than Sense UI devices. Even if the article is true (which I'm betting it's not), it only says the Evo 4G will receive 2.2 "second". Nowhere does it give a specific time frame aside from "the same month" it's released.
2.2 could come out June 1st for the N1 and hit the Evo on June 30th. And remember, the June release for the Evo is still rumor at best.
D) Like galaxys posted, the N1 will be running 2.2 within minutes of it being released (or leaked)
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You did notice I said I wasn't upset it like the third post?
I know that Stock Google Experience devices (as I have started calling then instead of Vanilla) will get Android first, that is obvious.. it kinda irritates me when people explain things that are already blatantly obvious to me in the first place, I honestly don't know why I posted this myself considering how sad the site looks.
Though, if it was true (which I think was my point), then the Nexus having Froyo quicker than other devices won't matter regardless since they will be getting it hypothetically in the same time frame. Even if we get it a few weeks earlier than everyone else, I wanted to make it known that the Nexus will not be necessarily the only "next gen" Android device that will feature Froyo in a timely manner. Putting statements such as "I will be laughing at you as you're waiting months for the Incredible to be finally updated" to shame. Which I have heard, here as well, trying to make it as if he Nexus is better the other Android devices because it can get updates more quickly. This is all hypothetical of course.
xzr3b0rnzx said:
very sad.... rooted nexus one can't get update for froyo even if u revert back to original stock rom ... right ?? i am very sad lol
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guys, cant believe you never checked this Sticky Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614850
I don't understand why people get upset when more devices come out. my nexus is just as solidly built and beautiful looking no matter what comes out next. incredible? looks worse, same specs. this is Google's phone until Google releases the next "Google phone", and that isn't the evo or incredible or desire. nexus one is the top dog, flagship phone until the nexus 2 is released. so enjoy your phone in the present!
Its an operating system update on a mobile phone. No one is getting laid because they got froyo first. Supermodels will not fall all over themselves when you show them your about screen. If others else gets it soon or at the same time, I say more power to them.
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In order to start conversation, you must include controversial, irritable, or suspicious questions. People start to talk then..
People were using Froyo coming to us quickly as an excuse to not get the Incredible, or Evo - that can't be used for long.
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No, sweetie, that's called trolling. Adults don't start discussions that way.
Not a reliable source and just speculation. I would say Droid gets 2.2 same time as N1 since Google is using both as dev phones and they both run stock.
I was confused as to why you said that in the OP, and then later on said otherwise.
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No, sweetie, that's called trolling. Adults don't start discussions that way.
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I tend to agree...
krabman said:
No one is getting laid because they got froyo first.
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That's not true. My wife gets all hot and bothered when I geek out on her.
Labor day is sept isnt ?
That evo is taking that long to launch ?? Good lord.
Im glad Android experiences will be similar across all devices. Stupid sense UI slowing things down for other phones.
Only thing to be excited about is flash though. Ram and Colorballs etc is already on custom ROMS. I did like the "always update" on market apps.
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Only thing to be excited about is flash though. Ram and Colorballs etc is already on custom ROMS. I did like the "always update" on market apps.
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Yeah but those of us who haven't rooted yet get lots of goodies. Colorball will be new for me
I personally will not use the always update option. Some of my apps work perfect and I've been burned before by updating and it either breaking the app, or it takes a feature I love away. Now I backup using astro and wait to see what the update entails.
i was really looking forward on getting myself a droid/milestone X/2 when it's available in europe. but i just read that the droidX (and maybe all upcoming motorola devices according to http://community.developer.motorola...OMs-and-Motorola-s-Android-Handsets/ba-p/4224) will have a completely locked bootloader as the original milestone had. it's as of today not possible to flash a custom rom on a >7 month old milestone, how weak is that?!
although i like the hardware of the moto-devices and really wanted one, this is definitly a no-go for me and defeats the purpose of android as a open(source)/linux os! i'm done with motorola, just ordered a galaxy s which is completely open!
i don't believe that motorola cares if 10.000 geeky people won't buy theire device because it's locked but it would nevertheless be good to show them that we care!
i'm curious what others think about that!
I think it's horse**** that they are locking it
I mean what's it to them if we can flash our phones??
Maybe they don't want their rom software to be leaked out? besides that I see no other reason for this
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I think it's horse**** that they are locking it
I mean what's it to them if we can flash our phones??
Maybe they don't want their rom software to be leaked out? besides that I see no other reason for this
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that's my point. if i buy a piece of hardware, i should own it completely and do with it what i want! also one would think that motorola would (or at least could) appreciate a bunch of developers modding and patching their devices to make them more appealing to the community. i just installed cm6 (froyo) on my htc magic. it works better than ever, how cool is that! would not be possible with a locked bootloader...
example milestone: although no custom rom's can be booted (the bootloader boots only moto-signed kernels) the device can be rooted and so it should be no problem to get a rom-dump. so that can't be the reason...
I was ready to pull the trigger on the Droid X until I heard this. I hate it. You are right, we buy the phone we should own the phone. I still might buy this phone, a vote of confidence to the devs.
I want the large screen. There's nothing out there with as large a screen. The evo, but I've already been burned by that. Maybe if they swap the screen for a better one.
I'm just as angry at Motorola, but I'm still going to purchase a Droid X. It has everything I'm looking for in a phone hardware-wise, and I can't wait any longer to dump the dumbphone I've been using for years. I'm a huge fan of tweaking every piece of technology I have (e.g. hackintosh netbook just for kicks), but I'm going to stick it out with a one-year contract on the Droid X until a better phone comes along.
I've taken a look at the Galaxy S/Fascinate, but it looks far too much like an iPhone to appeal to me, rootable as it may be. Samsung's post-release support is also less than stellar. As closed as Motorola may be by using this bootloader, they are still providing 2.2 to the original Droid this summer, which is more than can be said of a /lot/ of manufacturers.
Yea I had it preordered and everything til I figured out they locked it down, guess they are okay with losing sales by turning unto an apple type company stupid
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I've taken a look at the Galaxy S/Fascinate, but it looks far too much like an iPhone to appeal to me, rootable as it may be. Samsung's post-release support is also less than stellar. As closed as Motorola may be by using this bootloader, they are still providing 2.2 to the original Droid this summer, which is more than can be said of a /lot/ of manufacturers.
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i agree. i don't like the iphony-look of the galaxy-s either and i feel like the droid X casing is much more stable. also the omap seemed more appealing to me than samsungs hummingbird. and so on ...
while i think it's a good thing that motorola supports their older devices with updates (at least they do with the droid) my point is/was that a open device enables the community to push the software further ahead. for instance: atm. i still have a htc magic. i just installed cm6 running froyo about a week ago. my device is running better and faster than ever. this would not be possible with a locked bootloader. i would be at the mercy of htc to supply me with an update "sometime in the future", quite frustrating ...
i just don't understand their reasons for this! if it's all just about warranty they could implement a "root and unlock" feature in the settings which would void your warranty e.g. by sending a request to a moto-server or something similar.
maybe it has something to do with drm-stuff as i also wondered that one can only use the (awesome) hdmi-out for self-made media ... kills >50% of the potential of the hdmi-out in my opinion.
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i agree. i don't like the iphony-look of the galaxy-s either and i feel like the droid X casing is much more stable. also the omap seemed more appealing to me than samsungs hummingbird. and so on ...
while i think it's a good thing that motorola supports their older devices with updates (at least they do with the droid) my point is/was that a open device enables the community to push the software further ahead. for instance: atm. i still have a htc magic. i just installed cm6 running froyo about a week ago. my device is running better and faster than ever. this would not be possible with a locked bootloader. i would be at the mercy of htc to supply me with an update "sometime in the future", quite frustrating ...
i just don't understand their reasons for this! if it's all just about warranty they could implement a "root and unlock" feature in the settings which would void your warranty ...
maybe it has something to do with drm-stuff as i also wondered that one can only use the (awesome) hdmi-out for self-made media ... kills >50% of the potential of the hdmi-out in my opinion.
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I agree, but as it stands, I'm still going to get the phone and hoping out hope for root, although this link (http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-locked-down-let-me-tell-you-what-i-know.html) has me worried about that too.
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I agree, but as it stands, I'm still going to get the phone and hoping out hope for root, although this link (http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-locked-down-let-me-tell-you-what-i-know.html) has me worried about that too.
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i hope the best for you mate. maybe it's not that bad and in 2 weeks we are laughing about motorola because some 14 years old hacker has already torn the bootloader apart
I am officially passing on the x droid2 and whatever else Motorola decides to release sorry but I would rather have an open galaxy s than a locked down droidx. IPhone like ui can be changed with a launcher. But their isn't much hope for a double locked bootloader
whoops... has root
Am I wrong to say that the Milestone is still stuck at the OS ver. that it was sold with? And if so, I hear that 2.2 is coming to the X by the end of the summer. I'm sure and exploit can be found in the update process, or hope so.
I'm going to switch to this, simply because I believe that the devs WILL find a way to get around this problem. This is XDA we're talking about, along with a bunch of other communities dedicated to this stuff. Someone will find a way to pull it off, it's just a matter of time. But I plan on having this phone for at least a year, so I have the patience for it.
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while i think it's a good thing that motorola supports their older devices with updates (at least they do with the droid) my point is/was that a open device enables the community to push the software further ahead. for instance: atm. i still have a htc magic. i just installed cm6 running froyo about a week ago. my device is running better and faster than ever. this would not be possible with a locked bootloader. i would be at the mercy of htc to supply me with an update "sometime in the future", quite frustrating ...
i just don't understand their reasons for this! if it's all just about warranty they could implement a "root and unlock" feature in the settings which would void your warranty e.g. by sending a request to a moto-server or something similar.
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i think you explained 2 reasons for the lock down.
1 is warranty issues
2 is that motorolla can control the life of their product. if after 2 years they give updating the software then you'll be left in the dust and forced to upgrade if want new features.
it's like dlc for games. what used to be free by modding communities has now become a way to squeeze more money out of gamers.
I also agree with you on point 2. This phone is pretty powerful even for me. I consider myself a power user but dont really see how I need a faster phone that this.
This phone, If completely hacked, can have a very long lifespan.
this takes one moto dev
to be on the modder's side.
All this takes is one dev to mess with an official moto update, and this will be tossed due the massive amount of phones that are bricked.
total BS. Knowing Verizon, and why they were late jump on the android bandwagon(because they couldn't "control" an open source opertaing system), this probably came from Verizon pushing Moto to do this. Moto is so desperate to corner the market(unlike HTC) with Verizon, they said yes'maam. Sure no problem you are giving ungodly sums of money why cant we "scratch" your back.
bull****
Let's say that we DON'T unlock this phone.... Would anyone be surprised to see Motorola keep up to day within months of releases in the future???
I see people mentioning the reasoning for it being locked it to control the life of the device.... But seeing how powerful this is and how it is you could say Moto's Flagship model, wouldn't it be int their best interest to keep their customers happy????
Or does everything sell and do you really think they will fall behind on updates...??
Seriously if you really hate the device being locked this much work on an email. I will be shooting an email over to Motorola and Verizon Wireless Customer Support. I can post the email that I am sending on here if you guys want, when I finish typing it.
As for the device being locked it is extremely sad, but many hardware developers are starting to do this. The thinking is that the more they can control what the user does the better the end experience is. That is hardly the truth so just keep cracking the devices so that they get the message we want our own control on the device.
Other than that good luck to all the dev crews out there working to crack the device.
i second the email plan. if enough people fight for an open device, motorola will listen...
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i second the email plan. if enough people fight for an open device, motorola will listen...
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Nope. Every single Droid and Droid X user could email Motorola and they wouldn't care unless it affected sales. The bottom line speaks the loudest. Hell, more than that, it's the ONLY line that speaks
I've only had this Epic for almost a month and am very satisfied with it so far. But its getting pretty old looking on xda everyday to see someone new complaining about not having Froyo. You got what you paid for people, you bought a epic with 2.1 eclair on it, do you buy windows xp and then when windows 7 comes out you complain they won't upgrade you for free? There will always be something better and something new out there or up and coming you can't expect companies to sit there and keep working on things of the past they have to make money as well and they have to compete with each other and try to stay on top. I'm not saying I don't think they shouldn't release it for us I'm just saying you realy can't blame them for moving on with other phones as well. And if you think 2.2 is gonna make your phone that much better then go get a vibrant from tmobile bc I put 2.2 on my girlfriends phone last week and it didn't do much of anything for it, its just software sure your battery is a little better or the system runs a little smoother your not changing what you physically have the hardware is what it is and you knew all of this before buying the phone and if you didn't then you had 30 days to do some research and return it to sprint.
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I've only had this Epic for almost a month and am very satisfied with it so far. But its getting pretty old looking on xda everyday to see someone new complaining about not having Froyo. You got what you paid for people, you bought a epic with 2.1 eclair on it, do you buy windows xp and then when windows 7 comes out you complain they won't upgrade you for free? There will always be something better and something new out there or up and coming you can't expect companies to sit there and keep working on things of the past they have to make money as well and they have to compete with each other and try to stay on top. I'm not saying I don't think they shouldn't release it for us I'm just saying you realy can't blame them for moving on with other phones as well. And if you think 2.2 is gonna make your phone that much better then go get a vibrant from tmobile bc I put 2.2 on my girlfriends phone last week and it didn't do much of anything for it, its just software sure your battery is a little better or the system runs a little smoother your not changing what you physically have the hardware is what it is and you knew all of this before buying the phone and if you didn't then you had 30 days to do some research and return it to sprint.
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jesus do you even read what people say or just regurgitate stuff...
Apparently not why don't you explain to me what I missed?
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Alright, I'll bite.
most of us did not buy our epic's having seen a forum full of people dissatisfied with samsung's ability to upgrade their phones. I for one bought my phone on launch day. August 31st 2010. It was a sunny day, there was a nice breeze. I was young without a care in the world. I saw a phone with very formidable hardware and better yet, a promise from samsung that the device would see 2.2 in the very "near" future.
Now I don't know what you paid for your phone, but I paid retail price plus tax. If I had known I was actually paying for an education about what it exactly it means to buy a samsung phone I would have looked elsewhere.
that being said, theres one thing I can't stand and that is people such as yourself who waited until after people bought the phone and realized that and official update in a timely fashion not likely, accepted that risk, and then come here to rub it in the face of those who care about things like kernel sources, and custom roms to tell us about how we should all be as smart as you with your divine phone selecting savvy. I can't say that I speak for everyone, but I can certainly speak for myself when I tell you sincerely to gtfo.
yours truly, cozmonot
Ok to someone like yourself I understand that you did not know what you were getting yourself into and I'm not trying to say that someone such as yourself that bought the phone right when it came out doesn't have a right to be mad. I never said I had waited to buy this phone for any reason its just when I see ppl on here that say they just got the phone and now are mad they don't have 2.2 yet its disturbing. I understand we need kernals and source to make better roms and things, I myself am running Nebula and have been since the first week of owning this phone, so as with the rest of you I myself would like it so my rom can be further upgraded. The main thing I was trying to get at is that complaining about how we don't have it isn't getting us it I did not mean disrespect for someone like yourself and I don't think I have any better taste for phones than the rest of us we all chose this phone for whatever reasons but I don't think anyone chose it bc it was going to have 2.2
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I agree in that people complaining here doesn't really accomplish much. Apologies, I probably shouldn't reply to threads when I'm angry and tired.
I think we need to make our voice heard by sprint and samsung if we want things to actually happen, and complaining to people in the same position can't make things any better. just look at the vibrant owners who threatened a lawsuit and got the mainstream blogs to post about the vibrant not having froyo, didnt they get the update like a week later? I agree with what you said in your second post and I wish I had known about what I was getting myself into back in August when i signed on the dotted line.
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Ok to someone like yourself I understand that you did not know what you were getting yourself into and I'm not trying to say that someone such as yourself that bought the phone right when it came out doesn't have a right to be mad. I never said I had waited to buy this phone for any reason its just when I see ppl on here that say they just got the phone and now are mad they don't have 2.2 yet its disturbing. I understand we need kernals and source to make better roms and things, I myself am running Nebula and have been since the first week of owning this phone, so as with the rest of you I myself would like it so my rom can be further upgraded. The main thing I was trying to get at is that complaining about how we don't have it isn't getting us it I did not mean disrespect for someone like yourself and I don't think I have any better taste for phones than the rest of us we all chose this phone for whatever reasons but I don't think anyone chose it bc it was going to have 2.2
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Actually, I did. Also, because of the slide out keyboard. If I wanted a phone forever stuck with Eclair, I'd have kept my Moment.
EDIT: I am not stuck on Eclair, but there are people who don't know about rooting and custom ROMs.
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OMGrant this is very true I should probably keep my mouth shut sometimes but its just not easy and that's where the rant part came in...
Rygran87 I really don't know what to say about your unfulfilled promises you must have been happy with the samsung moment to buy another samsung tho...
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I bought the phone because of the hardware and because it was stated that 2.2 would be coming soon. I don't understand how people like you can just accept that You have the phone with the best hardware specs on the market at the moment and not be pissed that it doesn't have 2.2. While I agree that coming on xda and starting multiple threads on if FroYo is out is not the most productive way of dealing with the problem, bending over and submitting that because you paid money for the device and knew that it had 2.1 on is just a cop out.
To answer your question on what does FroYo add, here is just a few.
- What about all of the people who spent $30 to $50 on official samsung docks and can't even use it to the fullest without FroYo. IT EVEN SAYS ON DAMN PACKAGING THAT FULL FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE UNLOCKED WITH THE 2.2 UPDATE.
- What about bluetooth voice dialing, JIT, flash, and the updated google apps that come with 2.2, not to mention the speed increase. The FroYo update for the Vibrant doesn't count in this case because everyone knows that update was rushed because of the lawsuit business, and that lead to a bugged release.
And if none of that convinces you, the fragmentation of the market is the best example I can give. Do you know how annoying it is to find an app that you know your phone has more than enough power to run, but it won't even show up in the market because it only works on FroYo and up? IT'S THE ****ING PITS DUDE. For example there is this game that some (ex-sony I think) devs called Lame Castle that I really want to play, but it won't work on galaxy s phones without FroYo. Look it up on the market with Epic, it won't even show up. Now go on appbrain and its there clear as day. There are numerous examples of this, but this is the one that affected me that most.
So when you say that we should have know better and should not be upset, all I can say is that I hope you continue to enjoy the anal that samsung and sprint have given you so far. There's a lot more to come.
It was my first Android. It was cool at first, but just wanted FroYo and refused to get the Evo because the screen sucks and no keyboard.
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I bought the phone because of the hardware and because it was stated that 2.2 would be coming soon. I don't understand how people like you can just accept that You have the phone with the best hardware specs on the market at the moment and not be pissed that it doesn't have 2.2. While I agree that coming on xda and starting multiple threads on if FroYo is out is not the most productive way of dealing with the problem, bending over and submitting that because you paid money for the device and knew that it had 2.1 on is just a cop out.
To answer your question on what does FroYo add, here is just a few.
- What about all of the people who spent $30 to $50 on official samsung docks and can't even use it to the fullest without FroYo. IT EVEN SAYS ON DAMN PACKAGING THAT FULL FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE UNLOCKED WITH THE 2.2 UPDATE.
- What about bluetooth voice dialing, JIT, flash, and the updated google apps that come with 2.2, not to mention the speed increase. The FroYo update for the Vibrant doesn't count in this case because everyone knows that update was rushed because of the lawsuit business, and that lead to a bugged release.
And if none of that convinces you, the fragmentation of the market is the best example I can give. Do you know how annoying it is to find an app that you know your phone has more than enough power to run, but it won't even show up in the market because it only works on FroYo and up? IT'S THE ****ING PITS DUDE. For example there is this game that some (ex-sony I think) devs called Lame Castle that I really want to play, but it won't work on galaxy s phones without FroYo. Look it up on the market with Epic, it won't even show up. Now go on appbrain and its there clear as day. There are numerous examples of this, but this is the one that affected me that most.
So when you say that we should have know better and should not be upset, all I can say is that I hope you continue to enjoy the anal that samsung and sprint have given you so far. There's a lot more to come.
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I would have to say my favorite part about what you said was when you said Froyo for vibrant was rushed and has bugs. Because that could be us, we could have a rushed crappy edition of froyo. I understand that it makes it better and we can't do somthings without but if your life won't go on because you can't play some game on your phone (unless somehow you've got a job doing mobile gaming) then it might be time to look at some new hobbies or just pay your way out of contract so you can go get a phone with froyo that will make you happy as a little kid in a candy shop. But it must not be that bad if your willing to wait it out and hope one day you will wake up and see an OTA.
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you never [/rant]
Anyways android is a grey point right now as with your reference to XP you could pay to upgrade to vista/7 (driver / hardware supporting of course) where with android everything is kept under wraps so by the manufacturer until weeks or sometimes months after their "official" software is released and only then can some reverse engineer everything to get what they need to develop.
Hopefully the future of android can be like computer operating systems. Manufacturers only make drivers that way google can push out their own updates or at least give us the ability to do our own.
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you never [/rant]
Anyways android is a grey point right now as with your reference to XP you could pay to upgrade to vista/7 (driver / hardware supporting of course) where with android everything is kept under wraps so by the manufacturer until weeks or sometimes months after their "official" software is released and only then can some reverse engineer everything to get what they need to develop.
Hopefully the future of android can be like computer operating systems. Manufacturers only make drivers that way google can push out their own updates or at least give us the ability to do our own.
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You are very right as far as being able to pay for updates I was just meaning more of on a free level for that analogy, but yes very good point. And I too hope that it will someday be that easy.
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About the Vibrant, their is no excuse for that buggy release at such a late push date. The carriers have had FroYo since November and and have taken their own sweet time working on it. To add insult to injury, Every other carrier with a Galaxy S phone has pushed out FroYo since November. They even started getting 2.2.1 about two weeks ago. Even the number five carrier in the states, U.S. Cellular, has had FroYo out for its captivate out for about a month and a half now. And guess what? That update went off without a hitch. I also like how you were able to boil down my argument into the my statement about Lame Castle, which in my circles is very important because I'm going to school for that kind of thing, and Vibrant update which I would have even if I didn't have months of knowledge on the situation here and everywhere else that Galaxies are sold. You just get your phone and feel like preaching to me on how I should just take this ****. I bought this phone months ago knowing I would be with it for two years and expecting on Samsung to hold up to their statement of by the end of the year. Its a month into 2011 and still nothing. If you find your epic fine on 2.1, all power to you. But their are people with docks, people that want to make hands free calls while on the road, and people who just want full access to the market, who have all the right in the world to complain over this mess.
Note: Make multiple threads on XDA is NOT the way to go about it though people.
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About the Vibrant, their is no excuse for that buggy release at such a late push date. The carriers have had FroYo since November and and have taken their own sweet time working on it. To add insult to injury, Every other carrier with a Galaxy S phone has pushed out FroYo since November. They even started getting 2.2.1 about two weeks ago. Even the number five carrier in the states, U.S. Cellular, has had FroYo out for its captivate out for about a month and a half now. And guess what? That update went off without a hitch. I also like how you were able to boil down my argument into the my statement about Lame Castle, which in my circles is very important because I'm going to school for that kind of thing, and Vibrant update which I would have even if I didn't have months of knowledge on the situation here and everywhere else that Galaxies are sold. You just get your phone and feel like preaching to me on how I should just take this ****. I bought this phone months ago knowing I would be with it for two years and expecting on Samsung to hold up to their statement of by the end of the year. Its a month into 2011 and still nothing. If you find your epic fine on 2.1, all power to you. But their are people with docks, people that want to make hands free calls while on the road, and people who just want full access to the market, who have all the right in the world to complain over this mess.
Note: Make multiple threads on XDA is NOT the way to go about it though people.
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I never said there was an excuse for it but I do like your note, bc that was one thing I was trying to get at in my original statement is topic after topic about how we don't have 2.2. And I said earlier to a guy its not the people such as yourself that have had th phone and been expecting the update its ppl that haven't had their phone long and are starting thread after thread asking or complaining about 2.2.
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Actually, I did. Also, because of the slide out keyboard. If I wanted a phone forever stuck with Eclair, I'd have kept my Moment.
EDIT: I am not stuck on Eclair, but there are people who don't know about rooting and custom ROMs.
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You bought the phone because it was supposed to get 2.2?!
Well ladies and gents...theres one idiot...
Quis89 said:
You bought the phone because it was supposed to get 2.2?!
Well ladies and gents...theres one idiot...
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I decided to get THIS phone for the desired features AND the promise of 4G and 2.2 before the ed of the year. While you are entitled to your opinions, I certainly don't appreciate labeling and especially not when you do it from the safety of your keyboard. It just isn't called for.
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I didnt read the majority of the posts, I apologize....just want to put in my two cents and I guarantee it'll still be on topic.
People here have the right to rant. They have the right to be angry. They bought a true high end Android phone and are still on 2.1. That's not right... I have an Evo and an Epic...and the difference between 2.1 and 2.2 is really just the Flash (I'm not including what Samsung through in there based off of the leaked roms. Because some of what they through in there was just polishing up the UI and stuff). And Flash isn't really that big of a deal, its just one of those things that is nice to have. But thats beside the point. It doesnt even matter if the only thing different between 2.2 and 2.1 was a damn ringtone...a high end Android phone should be updated. If you don't update these phones, then why would someone shell out extra money to buy another high end phone that will share the same exact features as a low end phone? True the High end will be faster, but it really needs to have something to separate itself from the low end phone and that something should be the fact that it will always be supported...
And this is the problem with Android and this is what makes me sick about it. Android is great...but dammit...they need to relax on these phones and focus on the ones that are out now. They just keep on taking our money, and its going to get to the point where no phones will be updated, they will just keep releasing phones with the new update. And they know people will straight up go buy the new phone just for that update, just to realize that it aint even good. I started with the Evo before the Epic and if I wouldve went from the Epic to the Evo just for 2.2, I wouldve been pissed the hell off. 2.2 is not worth it at all...well, lemme put it like this: 2.2 by itself is not worth it. Although it aint worth it, this high end phone should still have it. If the Evo has it...the Epic should have it. The Evo will probably get Gingerbread and that'll be a damn shame...it won't benefit from it at all...
I mean, when you look at this 2.2 update from different angles, you can see why people rant and get mad. They have the right to...now if we could just put all of it into one thread that would be a lot better than multiple threads...but its w/e.
Also, does anyone else think that nothing else will top Android but Android will "destroy" itself? Android has already destroyed itself with me, if the iPhone hits Sprint, I'm jumping ship.
RE:2.2/Froyo pulled?
Hello,
All the speculations and rumors about the Verizon 2.2/Froyo update being pulled are false, I assure the update is still coming. We are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all Verizon users as soon as possible.
Thanks,
TwitterSamsungJohn
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In the words of Peter Griffin:
"Bull (pause) Crap."
That is all.
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i just don't understand why that thread had the be locked.. (and stickied!)
there is no new info in that, and it just says the same exact thing that samsung has been telling us since october: froyo will be here "soon"
is samsungjohn really that scared of our responses?
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i just don't understand why that thread had the be locked.. (and stickied!)
there is no new info in that, and it just says the same exact thing that samsung has been telling us since october: froyo will be here "soon"
is samsungjohn really that scared of our responses?
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That is why I opened this one. I'm in a ranting mood today so feel free to add your frustrated comments.
We have froyo & don't want their bloated version. They need to work on & bring us the latest OS
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We have froyo & don't want their bloated version. They need to work on & bring us the latest OS
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i for one would love for them to release their bloated version (even though i wont use it!), because that means we get KERNEL SOURCE!
how i miss my BLN, voodoo sound/colors, undervolted/overclocked kernels!
Well.... I had high hopes when he came a long. But, It has been too long, I will NEVER buy samsung again. It has been confirmed that I will buy HTC from now on. They are fast with updates, and well over all a better company. Buy Sammy, I am going to get rid of this POS phone ASAP.
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In the words of Peter Griffin:
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Yes, Samsung is creating Froyo builds for our phone and sending them to Verizon just for fun, and neither have any intention of ever releasing it. Get real, they may be stupid, but they would never put resources into something that's never getting released.
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Well.... I had high hopes when he came a long. But, It has been too long, I will NEVER buy samsung again. It has been confirmed that I will buy HTC from now on. They are fast with updates, and well over all a better company. Buy Sammy, I am going to get rid of this POS phone ASAP.
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Wonderful phone but no more Samsung for me, too... I had the i920 and was always waiting for new releases. fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me....
jv HTC here i come!
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I will NEVER buy samsung again.
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I won't say never, but.......
I bought my device with the OS it had, I don't really feel that I am owed anything else. BUT, The GPS was a fail on mine until I loaded the leaked 2.2 roms. It would take many minutes to lock, if it ever did lock.
This phone charges at about a 300ma rate on USB, and at about a 600ma rate on a high rate charger. Using it in a car as a GPS (bright screen, constant processing) consumes closer to 1000ma. So, while on charge in the car as a GPS, your battery is going dead. That is a failed hardware design.
After using the phone for a time again as a GPS in the car, the buttons (back, home etc.) start blinking and any apps close down. The phone becomes worthless. I need to unplug it, pull the battery and let it cool off for 10 minutes or so before it is useable. VZW and Samsung say 'don't use it like that!'. What? My previous HTC phone would do this for days on end. More hardware fail.
Needless to say, I am not overly impressed with the Samsung hardware or the software. Like I said, I'm not going to say 'never', but this is wearing thin...........
I'm a little pissed because when I bought the phone from verizon I asked the rep if if had 2.2. She said, "no all our phones ship with 2.1 but are all have froyo updates that you can do from home." We should all get free thunderbolts for our troubles.
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I'm a little pissed because when I bought the phone from verizon I asked the rep if if had 2.2. She said, "no all our phones ship with 2.1 but are all have froyo updates that you can do from home." We should all get free thunderbolts for our troubles.
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She didn't lie to you. You can get 2.2, from home, when they release it.
I love how my desktop doc user manual says "The audio line out jack will be fully functional upon the release of android 2.2 for samsung galaxy s phones. To update your phone to android 2.2, visit samsung electronics web site at www.samsungmobileusa.com."
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I'm a little pissed because when I bought the phone from verizon I asked the rep if if had 2.2. She said, "no all our phones ship with 2.1 but are all have froyo updates that you can do from home." We should all get free thunderbolts for our troubles.
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+1 for free Thunderbolts, although I have my eye on that new LG Optimus duel core.
It's telling that even the rumors have died down. A couple months ago searching for "fascinate froyo" would pull up speculation and rumors galore. Now, nothing pertinent. This is long past a fail.
I'll decide what phone to get next based on what there is at the time. But both Samsung and Verizon will be at substantial disadvantages in the comparison.
OK now that sammy said so here it has to be soon NOTthey have said that it would be coming for seven months. We already have froyo, and ton of roms
I know we have Froyo already, but how about a version that doesn't have battery destroying wakelocks? I am still looking forward to an official release that will hopefully be less buggy than the Froyo we have now.
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At this point Froyo is meaningless, as it's been seven months since it was promised to be out "very soon." Having source would be great, but it's too late for Samsung; epic fail. They had better redeem themselves with a surprise (and quick...as in ACTUALLY QUICK) Gingerbread release instead of Froyo, otherwise they will lose a ton of customers, including me.
With Samsung, it appears to be one jerk job after another. By the time they roll out 2.2, a lot of us will be ready for another upgrade, and guess what, we're going to think long and hard about buying another Samsung product. I like my Fascinate, but only because we have the leaked 2.2. If I was still on 2.1, I'd most likely be using a different phone by now.
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With Samsung, it appears to be one jerk job after another. By the time they roll out 2.2, a lot of us will be ready for another upgrade, and guess what, we're going to think long and hard about buying another Samsung product. I like my Fascinate, but only because we have the leaked 2.2. If I was still on 2.1, I'd most likely be using a different phone by now.
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You said it! Heck, we'll all probably be on different phones by the time Samsung releases Froyo, because our TWO YEAR contracts will be up by then.
We want a bloated Froyo so that we can get source code! That's what has been holding us back with development! I'm so sick of all these empty promises. "You'll get Froyo in September. No wait, November." "Er, we meant, before the end of 2010!" And as 2011 began, "it's coming soon!" 3 months later, it's the same empty promise of soon, so they send John to post here and attempt to keep us at bay. Samsung can shove it. It's completely unacceptable, and I am so tempted to submit this to the Better Business Bureau. We can't even use accessories that we purchased a long time ago, because we still don't have 2.2. This phone should go EOL and we should get free Tbolts, as someone said earlier. These are unacceptable practices, and I'm pissed about it. I don't know how Samsung is getting away with it.