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I'm about to buy an Elfin this Sunday, and after some googling, I want to clear some things up.
1. What is Manilla2D?
2. Should I install Onyx as soon as I get my phone, or should I wait?
3. What's the difference between TouchFLO2D and TouchFLO3D?
4. Is it possible to 'install' TouchFLO3D to an HTC Touch P3452?

cyanide911 said:
I'm about to buy an Elfin this Sunday, and after some googling, I want to clear some things up.
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1. What is Manilla2D?
It is a theme which comes with most WM6.1 roms, search this section to get more skins http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=260&order=desc
2. Should I install Onyx as soon as I get my phone, or should I wait?
You should read first a lot, Onyx WM 6.5 doesn't have Manilla, WM 6.1 yes,and especially how to flash in the stickies here http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=374
3. What's the difference between TouchFLO2D and TouchFLO3D?
Elfin doesn't support TouchFLO3D
4. Is it possible to 'install' TouchFLO3D to an HTC Touch P3452?
Answer above
Enjoy Your Device

Manilla2D = the Diamond Style.
3D= The Cube, 3D Touch Style.

argh double post

Manilla2D is basically a downsized version of Manilla3D.
and by the way, if you are looking for the HTC touch cube, its not longer available at any other phones, except for the touch and the dual.
More info about Manilla2D avail here
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=Nqb&q=htc+touchflo+2d&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g:s4

@jeremy: Wait, from your link to google, I take that you mean mean Manilla2D is the same has TouchFLO2D. But tito12 says it's a 'theme'.
And does the HTC Touch P3452 have TouchFLO2D?

Manilla2D(M2D) is TouchFlo2D!
Nonono!
M2D has different themes for you to choose, and the themes is developed by our xda-developers community.
HTC Touch P3452 dafault handset does not have M2D, you have to upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.1 in order to enjoy M2D.
Here are a few pointers.
1) You choose to upgrade either to
- HTC Built ROM, which is their upgraded version
- Cooked Roms, which is made by people just like you and me, but they are usually more functional and practical. And Most people recommend cooked ROM as the HTC Built rom which is commonly known as stock roms, is underpowered and have too little applications. (And lags .. blabla )
One such cooked rom is Onyx and the one I am using.
Which can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426540

Yeah I read about Onyx. I'll use the stock ROM for a couple of months, and then look towards Onyx.
This is what I've understood.
Elfin with WM 6.0, neither has TouchFLO2d, nor Manilla2D. If upgraded to WM 6.1, it will have Manilla2D, but it still wont have TouchFLO2D. To get TouchFLO 2D, we have to install a separate thing. And Elfin doesn't supportd TouchFlo3D.
Am I right? I'm confused because jeremy89632 says M2D has different themes available, and tito12 says M2D is a theme.
EDIT: Here, Is this the actual interface of an Elfin with WM6.1?

Hi Cyanide
I should have used "interface" instead of "theme", and this interface can be skinned, there are many on developpement and hacks section.

Okay, so Manilla2D is an interface that comes with WM6.1 for the Elfin? And,here, Is this the actual interface of an Elfin with WM6.1?

Yes, manilla2d is touchflo2d.

Okay thanks a lot for the help
This is slightly off topic, but I just want to ask all the Elfin/Elf users here, how do you guys like your phone? Would you recommend it?
EDIT: Also, I read another thread 'http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531260' in which the guy's phone turned out to be fake. Since I'm buying a used one, what all should I check before purchasing it to ensure it's authentic HTC?

I'd just like to point out that I'm going to buy the phone tomorrow, so I need an answer for this (my last post) asap
Also, I read another thread 'http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531260' in which the guy's phone turned out to be fake. Since I'm buying a used one, what all should I check before purchasing it to ensure it's authentic HTC?
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Search forum for this keywords and you'll get many answers
" chinese elf clone "

Tips to get a legit HTC
Buy by walking in, not online.
Get from legit sellers, like big time corps.
See if the box have HTC logos and windows mobile logos around it.
Check for warrenty.
Thats all.
Im pretty happy with my elfin, except it lags GPS.

Umm, what do you mean 'lags GPS'?

HTC Touch Elfin and Elf does not have GPS.
Or known as the global positioning system which tells you where you are.
If you want to get a GPS for your elf, you must pay around SGD100 or around US$60 or even cheaper if you get from ebay.

I know it doesn't have GPS. You wrote it 'lags' GPS, so I was wondering what you meant. You probably meant it 'lacks' GPS.

Anyways thanks a lot you all, I finally bought it.
I'm avoiding making a new thread, so here goes.
How do I format the memory card? Will simply connecting the phone to the PC in data transfer mode and formatting it from there do? Or is there some special method?

Congratulations
Just insert it and start explorer to see that it is visible

Sense - what the heck is it?

I see it and it looks like some sort of UI mod for Manila. anyone have ideas? is this HTC or 3rd party/dev add-on?
thanks!!!

sense = manila
and plz. search next time you are a member!

Sense - what the heck is it?
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To be honest, I'm not quite clear either, even after searching, and I've spent many, many hours in this forum. It would be nice to have a clear definition of Manila vs TF3D vs Sense, because all three seem to be used interchangeably in the forum.
I wait to be flamed, but isn't Sense just "tarted up" TouchFlo3D with a new snappier name that makes marketing easier? I imagine "Manila" was the original name (an acronym?) for HTC's (at the time) new interface to overlay the WM interface. So, Manila would mean both TF3D and Sense?

Pete_S said:
It would be nice to have a clear definition of Manila vs TF3D vs Sense, because all three seem to be used interchangeably in the forum.
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There is something to be said about having a general dictionary or list of product names on the forum. There are many names that I don't know and it can take ages to find what they are.

For starters I DID search - plz don't assume something
I do agree that a dictionary of terms would be great.

A breakdown of the convention
TouchFLO: The UI modification designed by HTC.
Manila: Version 2.0 / 2.1 of the TouchFLO UI
Sense: Version 2.5 of the TouchFLO UI
Think of it as codenames, very much like internal build names for the devices.
Touch Diamond 2 = Topaz, for instance, in the same way as TouchFLO 2.1 = Manila and TouchFLO 2.5 = Sense.

DeathJester said:
TouchFLO 2.1 = Manila and TouchFLO 2.5 = Sense.
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I have TouchFLO 3.0. What is the code name for that (and don't say 'nonsense'!)

Mike Austin said:
I have TouchFLO 3.0. What is the code name for that (and don't say 'nonsense'!)
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UAuuuu YOU have TouchFLO 3.0 or TouchFLO3D ? Or you are from the future and made some fun with us?
The last what I see here it's 2.6 I think...not sure...
You can share with us?

Mike Austin said:
I have TouchFLO 3.0. What is the code name for that (and don't say 'nonsense'!)
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would be so kind and post some screen-shots/photos?
br,
Chris

cyron_at said:
would be so kind and post some screen-shots/photos?
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I don't know how to do a screen dump, so I just took a photo:

It's something wrong build 1913.xxxx and the last it's 1920.xxxx and it's 2.5

pauln said:
It's something wrong build 1913.xxxx and the last it's 1920.xxxx and it's 2.5
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Oh dear! I would not want to upset anyone still busily upgrading to the latest start-of-the-art TouchFLO 2.n by having TouchFLO 3.n
This is the standard TouchFLO for T-Mobile written by HTC. Maybe they started new numbering for T-Mobile? Does the build number you quote relate to all TouchFLO versions or just the TouchFLO 2.n versions?

Manila 2.1 is now called HTC Sense in the new 6.5 upgrade ROMs.

Sense is (AFAIK) the "My Location" bit of Manila that allows you to display the weather for my location on the today screen, it's also the code name for the HTC Hero interface that first demostrated weather on the Today screen.
The first Manila 2.1 didn't have sense, but then it was added so it's manila 2.1+Sense, manila 2.5 has always had it.
Dave

Right, I hope everyone's clear on that now
So, extracting from the various posts:
1. TouchFLO was the first HTC interface add-on to WM.
2. Manila was the second HTC interface. It became known popularly as TouchFlo3D or TF3D for short.
3. Sense is an update for Manila which includes "location awareness". It has also replaced TF3D as the popular name for Manila since v2.5
So, Manila is still Manila, but it's known popularly as Sense now rather than TF3D?
PS:
The first Manila 2.1 didn't have sense
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Hee Hee, that's nonsense then ...
Sorry, Dave, feel free to ban me for life for that dreadful joke

Manila - Finger Friendly Graphic User Interface - this is platform
Touch Flo - The Interface Plug-in for visualization of Manila platform
Sense - the same as Touch Flo but new release

So this is good, in this single thread I am able to get a better understanding of each of the versions of UI.
there also OS versions and I assume that TF3D, Manila, and Sense are bound to min versions?
Microsoft has released the following over the last 18 months:
WM 6.1 - mostly found on non-touch devices but I understand has Touch support
WM 6.5 (Windows Phone branded lunch) - fully Touch aware albeit mostly still has the small buttons like "OK" or "X" or "CLOSE" these are not fingure friendly although the UI does fully support Touch devices.
WM 6.5.1 - NOT RELEASED. this is the name MS us using for an Interim release (between 6.5 and 7.0) this release will fix many bugs and update the UI to with the "Fat Finger" tabs instead of the little "were is my stylus!" buttons. there are a few ROMs out there that have these features and they dramatically improve the usability (IMHO). I am running build 32502.x1 (Shadowline - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=526618&highlight=23502) and also Optimal Champious (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=573896&highlight=23502). the first has Sense, the second does not (no Manila/Sense).
WM 7.0 - NOT RELEASED. According to my Microsoft contacts will be a complete consumer friendly UI. I suspect this is going to be positioned as the optimal iPhone competitor along with a slew of new devices. My thought is the LEO (albeit big) with WM 7.0 will rock. There is no date but I would bet this come out in late summer/fall of 2010. think about MS cycles for other consumer projects. you need to hit the holiday season or wait till next year.
IF you are still running the stock WM 6.5 that came with your ATT Pure, I recommened (but caution if you are not comfortable and know the risk of 'bricking' your phone is possible) that you check out the new builds. 23502.X or greater like OC, Shadowline builds have been running on my devices for almost a week and they are much improved over the stock.
I only wish there was an iphone like (for fat fingers) keyboard out there.

Just to add, there are lots of great keyboards out there and I have tried a couple of them. I am thinking the screen size on the Topaz is the reason why vs. the iphone.

looking for a post on just what "manila" and "sense" are...

I keep seeing these buzzwords, but can't find a single scrap of info on what they are...I mean before I can learn the difference between Sense 2.1 and 2.5 I'd like to know what Sense is in the first place.
I "think" Manila is a codeword for the Touch Flo app, but I wasn't sure...any help would be appriciated.

Tofferbear said:
I keep seeing these buzzwords, but can't find a single scrap of info on what they are...I mean before I can learn the difference between Sense 2.1 and 2.5 I'd like to know what Sense is in the first place.
I "think" Manila is a codeword for the Touch Flo app, but I wasn't sure...any help would be appriciated.
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Well, first off. i moved you over to the software area since the section you posted in was rom develoupment.. this answer is more simple and can be found just by searching..
Serious, if you search sense 2.1 or sense 2.5, you'll find i'm sure plenty of screenshots.
next off you can flash the roms in the rhodium section and find out exactly how to use them.
and touchflo-manilla-sense are all the same thing, just different versions as you can see via the screenshots on many of the threads around here.
I wish you happiness in your flashing,
Josh

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Well, first off. i moved you over to the software area since the section you posted in was rom develoupment.. this answer is more simple and can be found just by searching..
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Ah yes...that probably would have improved my luck when searching. Doh! Thank you for moving the thread to the correct location and giving me the quick and dirty explination.

Tofferbear said:
Ah yes...that probably would have improved my luck when searching. Doh! Thank you for moving the thread to the correct location and giving me the quick and dirty explination.
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yea sorry, it was a bit dirty. .. basically try flashin.. it's great..
Peace,
Josh

joshkoss said:
yea sorry, it was a bit dirty. .. basically try flashin.. it's great..
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Oh yeah, I've been flashing my Fuze for some time now...just waiting for the Hard SPL folks to help me...it won't install for some silly reason and I got a trouble ticket in with them to get it figured out. hehehe.
Can you suggest anyone's ROM in specific? I've been using NATF's ROMs on my Fuze and loved them...but he's working on CDMA stuff currently so I guess I need to peruse someone elses efforts for the TP2. hehehe.
Oh yeah...another thing I've been having trouble finding info on is what the difference is between EnergyROM's Leo and Photon ROM's...I think I've read through the entire thread's of both posts and it's never mentioned. hehehe.

Tofferbear said:
Can you suggest anyone's ROM in specific?
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and now after I look at your sig I guess I could just try the ROM you made first.

Rom is all personal preference. It all depends on what you want to your phone for and your personal taste. It takes a lot of flashing to find the right cook for you.
My personal choice is Josh in here for TP2, been using his ROMs from Hermes days...

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... and touchflo-manilla-sense are all the same thing, just different versions
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So (he said, scratching his head) does this mean that TF3d 2.1.x == Manila 2.1.x == Sense 2.1.x? Or are the versions more subtle than that, such that (for example, not designed to reflect reality) 2.1.189 == TF3D; 2.1.190 == Manila; 2.1.191 == Sense?

Tofferbear said:
I "think" Manila is a codeword for the Touch Flo app, but I wasn't sure...any help would be appriciated.
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Manila, TouchFLO and Sense are all basically the same thing - they all refer to the TouchFLO UI. "Manila" is an internal HTC codename, and you may find a file on your phone somewhere called manila.exe which is the actual executable (launched by the Windows Mobile "Today" screen). TouchFLO was the original marketing name for Manila; it was later renamed "TouchFLO 3D". It's now been renamed again to "Sense UI", and HTC is now marketing "Sense" as a sort of cross-OS platform; so "Sense" (as now used by HTC) can refer not only to the UI on the Touch Pro2, but also to the customised UI on the HTC Hero (which runs Android).
Manila version 2.0 is the one that appears on the original Touch Pro2 ROM (the one that includes Window Mobile 6.1). Manila 2.1 is the version that appears on the WM6.5 version of the standard Touch Pro2 ROM form HTC. Manila 2.5 is the version from the HTC HD2 phone.

ahhh, the light goes on, thank you.

Tofferbear said:
Oh yeah, I've been flashing my Fuze for some time now...just waiting for the Hard SPL folks to help me...it won't install for some silly reason and I got a trouble ticket in with them to get it figured out. hehehe.
Can you suggest anyone's ROM in specific? I've been using NATF's ROMs on my Fuze and loved them...but he's working on CDMA stuff currently so I guess I need to peruse someone elses efforts for the TP2. hehehe.
Oh yeah...another thing I've been having trouble finding info on is what the difference is between EnergyROM's Leo and Photon ROM's...I think I've read through the entire thread's of both posts and it's never mentioned. hehehe.
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LEO is the Manila2.5 flavor of the rom from the HD2
PHOTON is the Manila2.1 flavor which now has the weather clock from Manila2.5, This version also come in a Chrome/Titanium only version.

brycestejskal said:
LEO is the Manila2.5 flavor of the rom from the HD2
PHOTON is the Manila2.1 flavor which now has the weather clock from Manila2.5, This version also come in a Chrome/Titanium only version.
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Thanks...I didn't know that. Someone on the Photon thread also mentioned that the Leo doesn't use the slide out keyboard either...makes sense if it's for the HD2.

Shasarak said:
Manila, TouchFLO and Sense are all basically the same thing - they all refer to the TouchFLO UI. "Manila" is an internal HTC codename, and you may find a file on your phone somewhere called manila.exe which is the actual executable (launched by the Windows Mobile "Today" screen). TouchFLO was the original marketing name for Manila; it was later renamed "TouchFLO 3D". It's now been renamed again to "Sense UI", and HTC is now marketing "Sense" as a sort of cross-OS platform; so "Sense" (as now used by HTC) can refer not only to the UI on the Touch Pro2, but also to the customised UI on the HTC Hero (which runs Android).
Manila version 2.0 is the one that appears on the original Touch Pro2 ROM (the one that includes Window Mobile 6.1). Manila 2.1 is the version that appears on the WM6.5 version of the standard Touch Pro2 ROM form HTC. Manila 2.5 is the version from the HTC HD2 phone.
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Wow...you need to write that up for a sticky post or something...that's the most definative answer I've ever seen about it. Thx!

Shasarak said:
Manila, TouchFLO and Sense are all basically the same thing - they all refer to the TouchFLO UI. "Manila" is an internal HTC codename, and you may find a file on your phone somewhere called manila.exe which is the actual executable (launched by the Windows Mobile "Today" screen). TouchFLO was the original marketing name for Manila; it was later renamed "TouchFLO 3D". It's now been renamed again to "Sense UI", and HTC is now marketing "Sense" as a sort of cross-OS platform; so "Sense" (as now used by HTC) can refer not only to the UI on the Touch Pro2, but also to the customised UI on the HTC Hero (which runs Android).
Manila version 2.0 is the one that appears on the original Touch Pro2 ROM (the one that includes Window Mobile 6.1). Manila 2.1 is the version that appears on the WM6.5 version of the standard Touch Pro2 ROM form HTC. Manila 2.5 is the version from the HTC HD2 phone.
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I second that comment
Cheers for a Great Explanation The best I read so far
This should be put in all the HTC users manuals from now on.
Thanks

It is ABOUT TIME someone wrote this!
Shasarak said:
Manila, Touch FLO and Sense are all basically the same thing - they all refer to the TouchFLO UI. "Manila" is an internal HTC codename, and you may find a file on your phone somewhere called manila.exe which is the actual executable (launched by the Windows Mobile "Today" screen). TouchFLO was the original marketing name for Manila; it was later renamed "TouchFLO 3D". It's now been renamed again to "Sense UI", and HTC is now marketing "Sense" as a sort of cross-OS platform; so "Sense" (as now used by HTC) can refer not only to the UI on the Touch Pro2, but also to the customised UI on the HTC Hero (which runs Android).
Manila version 2.0 is the one that appears on the original Touch Pro2 ROM (the one that includes Window Mobile 6.1). Manila 2.1 is the version that appears on the WM6.5 version of the standard Touch Pro2 ROM form HTC. Manila 2.5 is the version from the HTC HD2 phone.
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Yes, everyone could glean this info after days/weeks reading ROM Development forums, but thats not the point. When you come in a room in the middle of a complex discussion, it's really nice when someone stops the group and catches you up. By reading and making inferences, I have HTC's code-names mostly straight in my mind, but a post like this, (or one just like it) as part of the 1st page of EVERY HTC DEVICE'S ROM Development Page would help a lot of people. A side effect would be a reduction in the amount of stupid questions.
Yes, HTC likes to try and keep things fresh, by putting a new name, a new spin and a new face on basically the same concepts they have been pedaling since TouchFlo was introduced.
Heck, I work at IBM: Netfinity, eServer, X-Series, System X - whats different? Nothing. Whats in a name? A lot. Its how you make whats old new again!
Even works in reverse. Microsoft said when introducing Windows 95:
No more General Protection Faults (GPFs)! That was true. They just started calling them "Illegal Operations" (remember those?)

i try to search ALOT before asking questions on this forum...if you don't, the super geeks will strike...!!!
most here are friendly and courteous...i just ask all to remember that not everyone on these boards are tech freaks & non-searchers (if that is a word)...
i have used this site for a few years and have yet to flash a device...that may be about to change...

Go for it! Flashing has a LOT to offer
da9th_one said:
i try to search ALOT before asking questions on this forum...if you don't, the super geeks will strike...!!!
most here are friendly and courteous...i just ask all to remember that not everyone on these boards are tech freaks & non-searchers (if that is a word)...
i have used this site for a few years and have yet to flash a device...that may be about to change...
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My experience with flashing has been good, if sometimes a bit frustrating. The cooks are very willing to accomodate ideas, fix things and generally give you what you want and need. However, most are always in the hunt for "the next great thing" (which we all are, in way) and that hunt sometimes causes things to get left behind.
Tell you what, I realized just the other day that if I am ever going to get my device to exactly where I want it (which changes for me too, from time to time) I am going to have to start cooking. Yes, I will have to learn a lot more and mistakes are iminent (as long as I don't brick my Touch Pro2 in the process) But my desires are not alltruistic. I just want things the way I want them LOL.

Let me just add my thanks to the finest set of very few words that truly made a difference.

Several people have been very kind about post #9 in this thread. I don't know that it really deserves all this positive attention, but it is appreciated, and you are all welcome.

Manila 2.5

Research for me has turned up somewhat conflicting results, so I ask if the community can shed some light, and in turn enlighten some of us who are in the dark.
Please correct me as I am sure there are some flaws in my knowledge here.
1. Manila / Sense 2.5 has been released officially, but only for the HD2 / Leo? And as such will only be released for this device.
leading to 2. therefore, the TP2 will never have *official* support for Manila 2.5 and it's lovely widget home / full-screen weather home screens
leading to 3. The Leo has no need for landscape support for all it's stuff because it doesn't have a keyboard?
leading to 4. I can discern that Manila 2.5 has added features such as Tiwtter integration and what has really piqued my interest, this "footprint" lark.
leading to 5. I am confused about Manila. It's obviously the program the runs the fancy TF3D interface jibbery-joo, but in some places I get the impression that it's heavily integrated into the windows ROM and so must come already baked in, and in other places It seems like it could almost be a cab file, ready for install?
leading to 6. does anyone know if HTC plans to give us poor TP2 users a widgetized home screen?
leading to 7. In some screen shots I have seen both the widgetised home screen, weather animations and footprint screen in use on what otherwise appears as Manila 2.1, especially the footprints things. Is this a seperate, installable module?
If it is possible to install the components (like footprints) or Manila 2.5 seperately, is there anyone offering them up, can't find them myself?
Many thanks for listening, it's all getting rather confusing.

Landscape support
Go to the aplications side of the thread. Theres apost called "Project Pulse"
Its a mod of 2.5 that supports landscape in all tabs but is still in early form with a few bugs. The developer is working on the bugs and will continue to update it. Its deffinatly worth looking at if you want to see landscape support for 2.5

geejayoh said:
Research for me has turned up somewhat conflicting results, so I ask if the community can shed some light, and in turn enlighten some of us who are in the dark.
Please correct me as I am sure there are some flaws in my knowledge here.
1. Manila / Sense 2.5 has been released officially, but only for the HD2 / Leo? And as such will only be released for this device.
leading to 2. therefore, the TP2 will never have *official* support for Manila 2.5 and it's lovely widget home / full-screen weather home screens
leading to 3. The Leo has no need for landscape support for all it's stuff because it doesn't have a keyboard?
leading to 4. I can discern that Manila 2.5 has added features such as Tiwtter integration and what has really piqued my interest, this "footprint" lark.
leading to 5. I am confused about Manila. It's obviously the program the runs the fancy TF3D interface jibbery-joo, but in some places I get the impression that it's heavily integrated into the windows ROM and so must come already baked in, and in other places It seems like it could almost be a cab file, ready for install?
leading to 6. does anyone know if HTC plans to give us poor TP2 users a widgetized home screen?
leading to 7. In some screen shots I have seen both the widgetised home screen, weather animations and footprint screen in use on what otherwise appears as Manila 2.1, especially the footprints things. Is this a seperate, installable module?
If it is possible to install the components (like footprints) or Manila 2.5 seperately, is there anyone offering them up, can't find them myself?
Many thanks for listening, it's all getting rather confusing.
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well friend this doesn't need to be in the rom section but ill see what i can do with your questions.
1. yep it has been made for the htc touch hd 2 but i am guessing it will be made for future devices and touchflo 3d will be gone for good kinda of like what happend between touch flo 2d when 3d came out.
2. it is very doubtful that the touch pro 2 will get an upgrade like 90% chance of no.
3. Yea pretty much why they didn't just make a landscape now is beyond me i know they will eventually maybe if that rumor about the touch hd pro comes out or something.
4 Yea 2.5 has twitter app which really is just alright i would rather use twikini. And footprints has been out for awhile on touch flo 2d.
5.Its kinda of both in a sense there are plenty of cabs for touch flo 3d but it is built in by htc as a more or less skin such as spb mobile shell.
6. Very doubtful htc loves moving forward with things.
7.If you could show us a pic i might be able to answer that but someone would have to port footprints to 2.1 and i really doubt thats gonna happend any time soon.

k2thejx5 said:
well friend this doesn't need to be in the rom section but ill see what i can do with your questions.
1. yep it has been made for the htc touch hd 2 but i am guessing it will be made for future devices and touchflo 3d will be gone for good kinda of like what happend between touch flo 2d when 3d came out.
2. it is very doubtful that the touch pro 2 will get an upgrade like 90% chance of no.
3. Yea pretty much why they didn't just make a landscape now is beyond me i know they will eventually maybe if that rumor about the touch hd pro comes out or something.
4 Yea 2.5 has twitter app which really is just alright i would rather use twikini. And footprints has been out for awhile on touch flo 2d.
5.Its kinda of both in a sense there are plenty of cabs for touch flo 3d but it is built in by htc as a more or less skin such as spb mobile shell.
6. Very doubtful htc loves moving forward with things.
7.If you could show us a pic i might be able to answer that but someone would have to port footprints to 2.1 and i really doubt thats gonna happend any time soon.
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Thanks for your answers man.
You're right it shouldn't be in the ROM section. But I kind of ummed and aarrred about it, and as you said yourself, it's a mixed bag whether manila is cooked in or not. Haha.
But very informative and I appreciate the time your took to reply. Kind of gives a good indication.

I was trying to install sense 2.5 in my TP2 until now ! thanks for posting this
geejayoh said:
Research for me has turned up somewhat conflicting results, so I ask if the community can shed some light, and in turn enlighten some of us who are in the dark.
Please correct me as I am sure there are some flaws in my knowledge here.
1. Manila / Sense 2.5 has been released officially, but only for the HD2 / Leo? And as such will only be released for this device.
leading to 2. therefore, the TP2 will never have *official* support for Manila 2.5 and it's lovely widget home / full-screen weather home screens
leading to 3. The Leo has no need for landscape support for all it's stuff because it doesn't have a keyboard?
leading to 4. I can discern that Manila 2.5 has added features such as Tiwtter integration and what has really piqued my interest, this "footprint" lark.
leading to 5. I am confused about Manila. It's obviously the program the runs the fancy TF3D interface jibbery-joo, but in some places I get the impression that it's heavily integrated into the windows ROM and so must come already baked in, and in other places It seems like it could almost be a cab file, ready for install?
leading to 6. does anyone know if HTC plans to give us poor TP2 users a widgetized home screen?
leading to 7. In some screen shots I have seen both the widgetised home screen, weather animations and footprint screen in use on what otherwise appears as Manila 2.1, especially the footprints things. Is this a seperate, installable module?
If it is possible to install the components (like footprints) or Manila 2.5 seperately, is there anyone offering them up, can't find them myself?
Many thanks for listening, it's all getting rather confusing.
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I was trying to install sense 2.5 in my TP2 until now ! thanks for posting this

i wanted so much a good rom with 2.5 for my tp2.. what i wanted was a french version of the fusion rom, but as we know, attomang seems to have vanished because of some scamming business he tried...
however here's what i think about the OFFICIAL future of sense 2.5 in landscape : pocket now showed us some leaked pictures of upcoming htc models coming in 2010 (based on some xda informations), and it comes out that there's a tp2-like device coming out.. so if it isn't an android based device, i think we can hope that it will come with 2.5 (and that we can base our future roms on the one that will be provided with it)
---> look at thje third one called "TERA"
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/hot-three-new-htc-windows-mobile-phones-for-2010
(sorry if me english bad.. me native language french xD)
EDIT / for /7/ "home creen animated...".. it is present in the official 6.5 upgrade (so it's a winmo6.5 with sense 2.1) -- animated weather is on with the default wallpaper (or you can say when no wallpaper is chosen, or set for the homecreen)

Some help please in clarifying my themes options

Ok so I know I'll always have unlimited wallpaper options.
But with this whole TouchFlo 3d thing being new to me obviously the world I know of the old home screens have changed a little. (yes I know I can disable touchflo and have the old back...but I like touchflo).
So I am trying to make sense of what my theme options are for my phone
Tmobile Touch Pro 2 with stock tmobile rom (phone purchased 2 weeks ago)
Windows 6.1
Touch Flo 3D version 2.1
plenty of memory
So what I am asking is a pretty newbish question despite me being a windows mobile user for 6 years.
How the hell do I get new themes now. The whole manila utility has me confused its apparant i cant use it but every theme i seem to find is a manila theme, or it is meant for a WVGA phone like the diamond.
So where can I find some that are Touchflo 3d 2.1 friendly and how do I go about installing them now.
Thanks fellas/ladies hope i dont take up too much of your time with this question

A couple of items you should note:
1. The Touch Diamond's resolution is VGA. The Touch Diamond2 and the Touch Pro2's resolutions are WVGA.
2. Manila and TouchFlo3D basically are used interchangeably.
That said, I've given up on manila themes for now. There are too many manila versions. There's 2.0 (without the weather on the home tab), there's 2.1 (with weather on the home tab), there's 2.5 (ported from HD2), and now there's new versions of 2.5 with documents tab...
Anyway, I suppose the advice is that if the theme is packaged into a cab file, give it a try. If it looks funny on your device, then it's not fully compatible with your manila version. Just uninstall it.
Also, it may be worthwhile to have a look at the link in my signature...

I knew I switched WVGA and VGA thanks for that clarification.
And essentially my options without manila are try and find a theme in a cab otherwise I'll struggle.
I read that manila is not compatable with touchflo 3D 2.1 and above. Or am I missing the whole point of how manila works?

For all intents and purposes, "manila" and "TouchFlo3D" are the same.
"TouchFlo3D" was the marketing term used for the HTC custom interface.
"Manila" is HTC's codename for "TouchFlo3D".
"TouchFlo3D" has since been re-branded as "HTC Sense" to be consistent with their custom UI for their Android devices.
In terms of compatibility, as alluded to before, it depends on the version of Manila on your device and the version the theme was made for.

Are there specific release threads somewhere on here for each version from the creator? I keep constantly running into edits and things like that but I cant find the specific release threads. Thanks for your help so far

I also have the same device only difference is I am running windows 6.5. Just yesterday I downloaded a theme from this same forum. The dusk theme. You'll find it just a page or to past this post. Very simple a lot of cab files. The only trouble Im having is installing the windows media and weather program. But take a look pretty cool theme.

Extracting Theme from another ROM
Ok, so I have a different question. Suppose that I like a theme/icons from one ROM, but like the features/performance from another ROM (and assume they are the same version of sense (2.5 with docs tab.)) Is there a way to extract the theme from the ROM and apply that theme to the other ROM that is installed?
Thanks!!

Ok so the dusk theme is pretty independent (looks like it has manila built in) that should be all I need to start off?