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Sense - what the heck is it?

I see it and it looks like some sort of UI mod for Manila. anyone have ideas? is this HTC or 3rd party/dev add-on?
thanks!!!

sense = manila
and plz. search next time you are a member!

Sense - what the heck is it?
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To be honest, I'm not quite clear either, even after searching, and I've spent many, many hours in this forum. It would be nice to have a clear definition of Manila vs TF3D vs Sense, because all three seem to be used interchangeably in the forum.
I wait to be flamed, but isn't Sense just "tarted up" TouchFlo3D with a new snappier name that makes marketing easier? I imagine "Manila" was the original name (an acronym?) for HTC's (at the time) new interface to overlay the WM interface. So, Manila would mean both TF3D and Sense?

Pete_S said:
It would be nice to have a clear definition of Manila vs TF3D vs Sense, because all three seem to be used interchangeably in the forum.
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There is something to be said about having a general dictionary or list of product names on the forum. There are many names that I don't know and it can take ages to find what they are.

For starters I DID search - plz don't assume something
I do agree that a dictionary of terms would be great.

A breakdown of the convention
TouchFLO: The UI modification designed by HTC.
Manila: Version 2.0 / 2.1 of the TouchFLO UI
Sense: Version 2.5 of the TouchFLO UI
Think of it as codenames, very much like internal build names for the devices.
Touch Diamond 2 = Topaz, for instance, in the same way as TouchFLO 2.1 = Manila and TouchFLO 2.5 = Sense.

DeathJester said:
TouchFLO 2.1 = Manila and TouchFLO 2.5 = Sense.
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I have TouchFLO 3.0. What is the code name for that (and don't say 'nonsense'!)

Mike Austin said:
I have TouchFLO 3.0. What is the code name for that (and don't say 'nonsense'!)
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UAuuuu YOU have TouchFLO 3.0 or TouchFLO3D ? Or you are from the future and made some fun with us?
The last what I see here it's 2.6 I think...not sure...
You can share with us?

Mike Austin said:
I have TouchFLO 3.0. What is the code name for that (and don't say 'nonsense'!)
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would be so kind and post some screen-shots/photos?
br,
Chris

cyron_at said:
would be so kind and post some screen-shots/photos?
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I don't know how to do a screen dump, so I just took a photo:

It's something wrong build 1913.xxxx and the last it's 1920.xxxx and it's 2.5

pauln said:
It's something wrong build 1913.xxxx and the last it's 1920.xxxx and it's 2.5
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Oh dear! I would not want to upset anyone still busily upgrading to the latest start-of-the-art TouchFLO 2.n by having TouchFLO 3.n
This is the standard TouchFLO for T-Mobile written by HTC. Maybe they started new numbering for T-Mobile? Does the build number you quote relate to all TouchFLO versions or just the TouchFLO 2.n versions?

Manila 2.1 is now called HTC Sense in the new 6.5 upgrade ROMs.

Sense is (AFAIK) the "My Location" bit of Manila that allows you to display the weather for my location on the today screen, it's also the code name for the HTC Hero interface that first demostrated weather on the Today screen.
The first Manila 2.1 didn't have sense, but then it was added so it's manila 2.1+Sense, manila 2.5 has always had it.
Dave

Right, I hope everyone's clear on that now
So, extracting from the various posts:
1. TouchFLO was the first HTC interface add-on to WM.
2. Manila was the second HTC interface. It became known popularly as TouchFlo3D or TF3D for short.
3. Sense is an update for Manila which includes "location awareness". It has also replaced TF3D as the popular name for Manila since v2.5
So, Manila is still Manila, but it's known popularly as Sense now rather than TF3D?
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The first Manila 2.1 didn't have sense
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Hee Hee, that's nonsense then ...
Sorry, Dave, feel free to ban me for life for that dreadful joke

Manila - Finger Friendly Graphic User Interface - this is platform
Touch Flo - The Interface Plug-in for visualization of Manila platform
Sense - the same as Touch Flo but new release

So this is good, in this single thread I am able to get a better understanding of each of the versions of UI.
there also OS versions and I assume that TF3D, Manila, and Sense are bound to min versions?
Microsoft has released the following over the last 18 months:
WM 6.1 - mostly found on non-touch devices but I understand has Touch support
WM 6.5 (Windows Phone branded lunch) - fully Touch aware albeit mostly still has the small buttons like "OK" or "X" or "CLOSE" these are not fingure friendly although the UI does fully support Touch devices.
WM 6.5.1 - NOT RELEASED. this is the name MS us using for an Interim release (between 6.5 and 7.0) this release will fix many bugs and update the UI to with the "Fat Finger" tabs instead of the little "were is my stylus!" buttons. there are a few ROMs out there that have these features and they dramatically improve the usability (IMHO). I am running build 32502.x1 (Shadowline - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=526618&highlight=23502) and also Optimal Champious (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=573896&highlight=23502). the first has Sense, the second does not (no Manila/Sense).
WM 7.0 - NOT RELEASED. According to my Microsoft contacts will be a complete consumer friendly UI. I suspect this is going to be positioned as the optimal iPhone competitor along with a slew of new devices. My thought is the LEO (albeit big) with WM 7.0 will rock. There is no date but I would bet this come out in late summer/fall of 2010. think about MS cycles for other consumer projects. you need to hit the holiday season or wait till next year.
IF you are still running the stock WM 6.5 that came with your ATT Pure, I recommened (but caution if you are not comfortable and know the risk of 'bricking' your phone is possible) that you check out the new builds. 23502.X or greater like OC, Shadowline builds have been running on my devices for almost a week and they are much improved over the stock.
I only wish there was an iphone like (for fat fingers) keyboard out there.

Just to add, there are lots of great keyboards out there and I have tried a couple of them. I am thinking the screen size on the Topaz is the reason why vs. the iphone.

Manila 2.5

Research for me has turned up somewhat conflicting results, so I ask if the community can shed some light, and in turn enlighten some of us who are in the dark.
Please correct me as I am sure there are some flaws in my knowledge here.
1. Manila / Sense 2.5 has been released officially, but only for the HD2 / Leo? And as such will only be released for this device.
leading to 2. therefore, the TP2 will never have *official* support for Manila 2.5 and it's lovely widget home / full-screen weather home screens
leading to 3. The Leo has no need for landscape support for all it's stuff because it doesn't have a keyboard?
leading to 4. I can discern that Manila 2.5 has added features such as Tiwtter integration and what has really piqued my interest, this "footprint" lark.
leading to 5. I am confused about Manila. It's obviously the program the runs the fancy TF3D interface jibbery-joo, but in some places I get the impression that it's heavily integrated into the windows ROM and so must come already baked in, and in other places It seems like it could almost be a cab file, ready for install?
leading to 6. does anyone know if HTC plans to give us poor TP2 users a widgetized home screen?
leading to 7. In some screen shots I have seen both the widgetised home screen, weather animations and footprint screen in use on what otherwise appears as Manila 2.1, especially the footprints things. Is this a seperate, installable module?
If it is possible to install the components (like footprints) or Manila 2.5 seperately, is there anyone offering them up, can't find them myself?
Many thanks for listening, it's all getting rather confusing.

Landscape support
Go to the aplications side of the thread. Theres apost called "Project Pulse"
Its a mod of 2.5 that supports landscape in all tabs but is still in early form with a few bugs. The developer is working on the bugs and will continue to update it. Its deffinatly worth looking at if you want to see landscape support for 2.5

geejayoh said:
Research for me has turned up somewhat conflicting results, so I ask if the community can shed some light, and in turn enlighten some of us who are in the dark.
Please correct me as I am sure there are some flaws in my knowledge here.
1. Manila / Sense 2.5 has been released officially, but only for the HD2 / Leo? And as such will only be released for this device.
leading to 2. therefore, the TP2 will never have *official* support for Manila 2.5 and it's lovely widget home / full-screen weather home screens
leading to 3. The Leo has no need for landscape support for all it's stuff because it doesn't have a keyboard?
leading to 4. I can discern that Manila 2.5 has added features such as Tiwtter integration and what has really piqued my interest, this "footprint" lark.
leading to 5. I am confused about Manila. It's obviously the program the runs the fancy TF3D interface jibbery-joo, but in some places I get the impression that it's heavily integrated into the windows ROM and so must come already baked in, and in other places It seems like it could almost be a cab file, ready for install?
leading to 6. does anyone know if HTC plans to give us poor TP2 users a widgetized home screen?
leading to 7. In some screen shots I have seen both the widgetised home screen, weather animations and footprint screen in use on what otherwise appears as Manila 2.1, especially the footprints things. Is this a seperate, installable module?
If it is possible to install the components (like footprints) or Manila 2.5 seperately, is there anyone offering them up, can't find them myself?
Many thanks for listening, it's all getting rather confusing.
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well friend this doesn't need to be in the rom section but ill see what i can do with your questions.
1. yep it has been made for the htc touch hd 2 but i am guessing it will be made for future devices and touchflo 3d will be gone for good kinda of like what happend between touch flo 2d when 3d came out.
2. it is very doubtful that the touch pro 2 will get an upgrade like 90% chance of no.
3. Yea pretty much why they didn't just make a landscape now is beyond me i know they will eventually maybe if that rumor about the touch hd pro comes out or something.
4 Yea 2.5 has twitter app which really is just alright i would rather use twikini. And footprints has been out for awhile on touch flo 2d.
5.Its kinda of both in a sense there are plenty of cabs for touch flo 3d but it is built in by htc as a more or less skin such as spb mobile shell.
6. Very doubtful htc loves moving forward with things.
7.If you could show us a pic i might be able to answer that but someone would have to port footprints to 2.1 and i really doubt thats gonna happend any time soon.

k2thejx5 said:
well friend this doesn't need to be in the rom section but ill see what i can do with your questions.
1. yep it has been made for the htc touch hd 2 but i am guessing it will be made for future devices and touchflo 3d will be gone for good kinda of like what happend between touch flo 2d when 3d came out.
2. it is very doubtful that the touch pro 2 will get an upgrade like 90% chance of no.
3. Yea pretty much why they didn't just make a landscape now is beyond me i know they will eventually maybe if that rumor about the touch hd pro comes out or something.
4 Yea 2.5 has twitter app which really is just alright i would rather use twikini. And footprints has been out for awhile on touch flo 2d.
5.Its kinda of both in a sense there are plenty of cabs for touch flo 3d but it is built in by htc as a more or less skin such as spb mobile shell.
6. Very doubtful htc loves moving forward with things.
7.If you could show us a pic i might be able to answer that but someone would have to port footprints to 2.1 and i really doubt thats gonna happend any time soon.
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Thanks for your answers man.
You're right it shouldn't be in the ROM section. But I kind of ummed and aarrred about it, and as you said yourself, it's a mixed bag whether manila is cooked in or not. Haha.
But very informative and I appreciate the time your took to reply. Kind of gives a good indication.

I was trying to install sense 2.5 in my TP2 until now ! thanks for posting this
geejayoh said:
Research for me has turned up somewhat conflicting results, so I ask if the community can shed some light, and in turn enlighten some of us who are in the dark.
Please correct me as I am sure there are some flaws in my knowledge here.
1. Manila / Sense 2.5 has been released officially, but only for the HD2 / Leo? And as such will only be released for this device.
leading to 2. therefore, the TP2 will never have *official* support for Manila 2.5 and it's lovely widget home / full-screen weather home screens
leading to 3. The Leo has no need for landscape support for all it's stuff because it doesn't have a keyboard?
leading to 4. I can discern that Manila 2.5 has added features such as Tiwtter integration and what has really piqued my interest, this "footprint" lark.
leading to 5. I am confused about Manila. It's obviously the program the runs the fancy TF3D interface jibbery-joo, but in some places I get the impression that it's heavily integrated into the windows ROM and so must come already baked in, and in other places It seems like it could almost be a cab file, ready for install?
leading to 6. does anyone know if HTC plans to give us poor TP2 users a widgetized home screen?
leading to 7. In some screen shots I have seen both the widgetised home screen, weather animations and footprint screen in use on what otherwise appears as Manila 2.1, especially the footprints things. Is this a seperate, installable module?
If it is possible to install the components (like footprints) or Manila 2.5 seperately, is there anyone offering them up, can't find them myself?
Many thanks for listening, it's all getting rather confusing.
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I was trying to install sense 2.5 in my TP2 until now ! thanks for posting this

i wanted so much a good rom with 2.5 for my tp2.. what i wanted was a french version of the fusion rom, but as we know, attomang seems to have vanished because of some scamming business he tried...
however here's what i think about the OFFICIAL future of sense 2.5 in landscape : pocket now showed us some leaked pictures of upcoming htc models coming in 2010 (based on some xda informations), and it comes out that there's a tp2-like device coming out.. so if it isn't an android based device, i think we can hope that it will come with 2.5 (and that we can base our future roms on the one that will be provided with it)
---> look at thje third one called "TERA"
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/hot-three-new-htc-windows-mobile-phones-for-2010
(sorry if me english bad.. me native language french xD)
EDIT / for /7/ "home creen animated...".. it is present in the official 6.5 upgrade (so it's a winmo6.5 with sense 2.1) -- animated weather is on with the default wallpaper (or you can say when no wallpaper is chosen, or set for the homecreen)

I currently have a AT&T Tilt 2...

with the Touchflo 2.1. I hate the calendar (month and day only) and want to know if there is a 2.5 download for the Tilt 2? I have seen others but they are for non-Tilt phones (Leo and Topaz). Also, I have Pocket Informant from a previous Tilt (TyTn II) and would prefer to use that for my calendar and contacts. Can I make these the default or am I stuck with the Touchflo versions?

I contacted HTC this morning...
and 2.5 is not compatible with the Tilt 2. Also they cannot/will not assist on changing the default calendar/contacts to a 3rd party application such as Pocket Informant.
Does anyone here have any advice and another course of action?

Have a look around the Rhodium ROM development forum. You CAN upgrade to Manila 2.5 (though the landscape version is still a bit buggy) and it will invalidate your warranty...

I have looked but not sure
what I'm looking for. I have searched Manilla 2.5 and Touchflo 2.5 but cannot get any hits on these queries.

StoneyBK said:
what I'm looking for. I have searched Manilla 2.5 and Touchflo 2.5 but cannot get any hits on these queries.
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TouchFlo 2.5

Ok, but this is for the Diamond
Will is work on the Tilt 2? There was another Touchflo 2.5 developed by someone called "udk" but it was designed for the Leo and Topaz stating it will not work on the Tilt 2.
I realize I'm asking a lot of questions but I'm a relative noob and don't want to screw up my phone.
I see all these different versions (blackstone, leo, topaz) and have no idea if they are phones or operating systems, however I DO the difference between a Fuze, Pure Tilt 2 and Touch Pro 2.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=588476
this is the main thread for manila 2.5, some people have tried to use it on the tilt 2, and there are a few glitches, but nothing show stopping

Thanks, I'll give it a look
when I get home as I'm on my work pc and cannot sync with it.

just to make sure that it is clear,
Manila 2.5 = touchFlo 2.5 (it is better known as Sense 2.5)
Manila 2.1 = touchFlo 2.1 (it is better known as Sense 2.1)
so if you saw Sense 2.1 know its Manila 2.1 & touchFlo 2.1 .. just different faces for the same coin ...

dazultra2000 said:
Have a look around the Rhodium ROM development forum. You CAN upgrade to Manila 2.5 (though the landscape version is still a bit buggy) and it will invalidate your warranty...
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It will not invalidate your warranty! As long as you flash back and remove hardspl, you will still be able to get the unit fixed under warranty. It is the same with computers with upgrades and OS changes. Bring it back to factory and there will not be any issue.

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Will is work on the Tilt 2? There was another Touchflo 2.5 developed by someone called "udk" but it was designed for the Leo and Topaz stating it will not work on the Tilt 2.
I realize I'm asking a lot of questions but I'm a relative noob and don't want to screw up my phone.
I see all these different versions (blackstone, leo, topaz) and have no idea if they are phones or operating systems, however I DO the difference between a Fuze, Pure Tilt 2 and Touch Pro 2.
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The info on Blackstone, Leo, Topaz etc. is all here on this very site. Look in the Wiki, or Device database and you will see that the names refer to the different phones. The only ROMs you should be using are for Rhodium (HTC's internal development name), AT&T Tilt2 and Touch Pro2. Also be aware that there are CDMA versions of the Touch Pro2. Flash a non GSM version to your phone and you may brick it. If you have a Telus, Sprint or other CDMA version of the TP2, you can flash a GSM ROM to it, but you have to have a sim card to use it. You cannot flash a GSM phone to a CDMA as there is no built in hardware.

KPoon said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=588476
this is the main thread for manila 2.5, some people have tried to use it on the tilt 2, and there are a few glitches, but nothing show stopping
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The recent T-Mobile ROM that had been leaked has landscape built in by HTC. The link you gave is no longer needed as most cooks are using the T-Mobile leaked 2.5 sense version.

15 Tabs and Manila 2.1 Sliders

Searching for those strings wont result in any finds, or results in only custom ROM crap. (sigh)
Ok, im trying to find some stuff for Manila 2.1 WITHOUT SENSE. it just doesnt seem to exist... or at least i cant find it.
I want to know what tabs are included with the 15 Tabs mod, and where to get them.
I would like the stock TP1 Neon slider icons, saw a guy on XDA that had them, but cant find the files.

You made me laugh Manilla 2.1 WITHOUT SENSE does NOT excist. Manilla = Sense...
Manilla 2.1 is called sense.
Manilla 2.5 is called sense.

Wow, really? Then your an idiot too! TP1's have Manila 2.0 and WinMo 6.1, TP2 has Manila 2.1 (no Sense) and WinMo 6.1 stock....
SOME versions of 6.1 come with Sense, but not Sprint, and i believe 2.5 Sense comes with WinMo 6.5...

Talon,
Try searching for Manila TF3D v. 2.1
(Which Lenny, is not the same thing as Sense 2.1)

Talon Pro said:
Wow, really? Then your an idiot too! TP1's have Manila 2.0 and WinMo 6.1, TP2 has Manila 2.1 (no Sense) and WinMo 6.1 stock....
SOME versions of 6.1 come with Sense, but not Sprint, and i believe 2.5 Sense comes with WinMo 6.5...
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dont be so rude dude, htc has renamed manila to sense. so its sense 2.1 and 2.5

Hold ur fire!! This make me a little confused too. So what's real difference between Manila & Sense??

Both posters are correct. TF3D originally was called manilla. HTC Sense is technically the upgraded version of TF3D. Most people simply refer to HTC's GUI as Sense instead of manilla or TF3D.
Since many of the roms here are from HTC hero,hd2 etc etc, they are using the newer Sense GUI.
Original roms, use the manilla GUI, which was been re-marketed also as Sense. So manilla/TF3D was renamed Sense 2.1. Sense 2.5 is the original Sense which was first on the HD2 and HTC Hero.
This will help some.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TouchFLO_3D

radon222 said:
Talon,
Try searching for Manila TF3D v. 2.1
(Which Lenny, is not the same thing as Sense 2.1)
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Using any numbers in the search (simple or advanced) gains only an error, which is why i posted. Try searching for '15 tabs' and itll go to the advanced search page with 'No results'...
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dont be so rude dude, htc has renamed manila to sense. so its sense 2.1 and 2.5
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Well, you remain wrong on that
Mektah said:
Both posters are correct. TF3D originally was called manilla. HTC Sense is technically the upgraded version of TF3D. Most people simply refer to HTC's GUI as Sense instead of manilla or TF3D.
Since many of the roms here are from HTC hero,hd2 etc etc, they are using the newer Sense GUI.
Original roms, use the manilla GUI, which was been re-marketed also as Sense. So manilla/TF3D was renamed Sense 2.1. Sense 2.5 is the original Sense which was first on the HD2 and HTC Hero.
This will help some.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TouchFLO_3D
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I disagree a little, there IS a difference between Manila 2.1 and 2.1 w/Sense. Try putting a Sense item on regular 2.1 and watch it break. I tried PPCgeeks.com to sort out the TP2 stuff, got much support, but they didnt do anything about it. When you ask for customized stuff, everyone assumes youre using a cooked version of 6.5 (which has Sense 2.1 or 2.5 depending the ROM/Chef), not 6.1, and then the Manila version gets even more in the way of stuff.
I mean i like my TP2, it works like the TP1 should have, but the TP1 had so much more support for the stock ROM's and 6.1.

Talon Pro said:
Searching for those strings wont result in any finds, or results in only custom ROM crap. (sigh)
Ok, im trying to find some stuff for Manila 2.1 WITHOUT SENSE. it just doesnt seem to exist... or at least i cant find it.
I want to know what tabs are included with the 15 Tabs mod, and where to get them.
I would like the stock TP1 Neon slider icons, saw a guy on XDA that had them, but cant find the files.
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For the neon slider icons, try either or both of the cabs I attached here, they might be what you're thinking of. If not, they uninstall easily.
I've also had trouble finding a bunch of TF3D 2.1 compatible sliders etc, it's clear that the bulk of the interest and efforts here now are sense 2.5-related. I think you might have a little better luck googling (not through XDA) for "TF3D 2.1" than "sense 2.1"...I've found that most of the stuff you're looking for to be tagged that way.
brent372 has put together a website that does a great job of explaining and displaying the differences between TF3D 2.1 and Sense 2.1, and he has a fair amount of customizations for each, particularly sliders/icons...check it out HERE

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For the neon slider icons, try either or both of the cabs I attached here, they might be what you're thinking of. If not, they uninstall easily.
I've also had trouble finding a bunch of TF3D 2.1 compatible sliders etc, it's clear that the bulk of the interest and efforts here now are sense 2.5-related. I think you might have a little better luck googling (not through XDA) for "TF3D 2.1" than "sense 2.1"...I've found that most of the stuff you're looking for to be tagged that way.
brent372 has put together a website that does a great job of explaining and displaying the differences between TF3D 2.1 and Sense 2.1, and he has a fair amount of customizations for each, particularly sliders/icons...check it out HERE
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Yea ive seen Brents work, but its all 'skinned' stock icons, or the goofy looking 6.5 icons. Still nice stuff though.
Thanks for your help

Talon Pro, please be kind, especially to folks that are trying to help you. Thanks SirPhunkee for your help here... and everyone else that took a shot at it.

kimtyson said:
Talon Pro, please be kind, especially to folks that are trying to help you. Thanks SirPhunkee for your help here... and everyone else that took a shot at it.
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No problem, it's worth a try anyway
Talon Pro said:
Yea ive seen Brents work, but its all 'skinned' stock icons, or the goofy looking 6.5 icons. Still nice stuff though.
Thanks for your help
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Did either of the neon sliders end up being the one you're looking for?
Since you're running TF3D 2.1, you can easily build your own sliders using HDWalls, and you can use just about any images you want for the icons...the app does a great job of resizing them as needed and building a cab to install the whole slider for you.

sirphunkee said:
No problem, it's worth a try anyway
Did either of the neon sliders end up being the one you're looking for?
Since you're running TF3D 2.1, you can easily build your own sliders using HDWalls, and you can use just about any images you want for the icons...the app does a great job of resizing them as needed and building a cab to install the whole slider for you.
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Yes it was the one i wanted. Now im looking for a taskbar of the same lol. I didnt know that HDWalls was a program, thought it was just a 'image on all tabs' thing.
Thanks.

How come none of the stock Icon sets i can find, dont have the Navigation icon? The Neon set above has a 'layered' one, meaning it sets it over top the grey icon (off center though).
Oh, and the HDWalls is working nicely, got two icons done so far

Talon Pro said:
How come none of the stock Icon sets i can find, dont have the Navigation icon? The Neon set above has a 'layered' one, meaning it sets it over top the grey icon (off center though).
Oh, and the HDWalls is working nicely, got two icons done so far
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Navigation Icon? I don't have a 'navigation' tab on my 6.1, so I'm guessing that it's not part of the regular set of tabs and therefore there's not a provision for it in the usual list of manila files for the icons.
If you (or somebody) can just pin down the exact name of the manila file for that specfic tab's icons, you can use HDWalls to create one (for a different tab), and then just rename it to match the odd manila file related to the nav. tab. Let me know if that makes sense...I can do it better than I can describe it lol

I have the Touch Pro2 which still has TF3D 2.1 (non-sense lol).
How do i go about locating it? I know the files are in the Windows folder, but how to view them? Guess ill do some google searching too.

I also want the comm manager tab and the programs tab back, that was on the TP1...

Try CFC GUI and make your icons: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=470798
Have never heard of a navigation tab though, but if exists, you'll be able to find it with CFC GUI

PLEASE help me understand...

I am REALLY confused as to how to get and install themes on my new phone. Some problems i have come across so far, with any instructions i have found, are:
Diamond TF3D Config DOES NOT work on my phone
I CANNOT untick TouchFlo3D as it DOES NOT appear in the items list of the today settings.
Can anyone shed some light on how you theme the phone. What can i be doing wrong?

billybag said:
I am REALLY confused as to how to get and install themes on my new phone. Some problems i have come across so far, with any instructions i have found, are:
Diamond TF3D Config DOES NOT work on my phone
I CANNOT untick TouchFlo3D as it DOES NOT appear in the items list of the today settings.
Can anyone shed some light on how you theme the phone. What can i be doing wrong?
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First you have to know what version of manila you're using. Are you using stock rom?

sounds like he doesnt have touchflo at all....
update rom, maybe then try...

It goes by different names... see if you have something called HTC Sense in your home items. Or Manilla
How are you trying to install the theme's? Are you talking about a theme for the menu bars (top and bottom) or are you talking about a theme for HTC Sense (Aka Touch flo 3d)
Each should basically install via a cab which is an install program. If its a standard windows mobile theme which will just change the background the bars then you just have to move the theme file which you can move over to a folder onto your phone (not SD card) and you should see it in your themes section in home settings.
If you want to switch appearance of HTC Sense/TouchFlo3d/Manilla... whatever you want to call it You can try this too... Theme Switcher] it looks interesting although Ive never tried it
Hope this helps

go to settings>all settigns>home or today>items

marduk79 said:
go to settings>all settigns>home or today>items
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it is used to modify windows desktop theme, not manila theme
manila only supports change wallpaper,
if you want modify manila's theme, you need to modify theme code of manila

Sorry for the lag.
Apparently i do not have TouchFlow3d
I have Sense. Not sure why their is one or the other.... I was never asked which i wanted when buying the phone. Even the CUSTOMIZING HOME SCREEN tutorial on tmobile's site assumes you have TF3D.
The whole thing is just confusing.

And the reason i inquire is because i really hate the stock layout/display/theme of my phone but every single editor/mod/customizer i find is for the touchflo3d!!!!!! ESPECIALLY co0kies home screen editor. I really would have liked that. Why do sense users get the shaft?

billybag said:
And the reason i inquire is because i really hate the stock layout/display/theme of my phone but every single editor/mod/customizer i find is for the touchflo3d!!!!!! ESPECIALLY co0kies home screen editor. I really would have liked that. Why do sense users get the shaft?
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ummm... you might wanna look into that alittle bit more. cookies home screen works with sense also, 2.1 or 2.5.
TF3D= pretty much the just wm6.1 and what i call a "test" for sense
2.1= pretty much wm6.5 and like TF3d but with graphic improvements and stuff.
2.5= ment for the HD2 but since were cool we ripped it, but pretty much same as 2.1 but just an updated version pretty much
if i may suggest a ROM for you it would be this... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=569507
just scroll down to the 2nd post and look for "- valkyrie.ftp v6.7.21904-TR2.5 28th MAY wm6.5 without extra tabbs" it has cookie cooked it it
that would more than likely fit you since its a basic version and has good things preloaded with it. but if you want more than just that then go for this ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562773
just look for the download button with sense 2.5 and that has the cookie mod already cooked in it as well
just make sure to hardSPL your rhodium before you do any of this. for any more info just look in the ROM development thread and look for things in there.
with that said im done for today and im going to sleep

billybag said:
Sorry for the lag.
Apparently i do not have TouchFlow3d
I have Sense. Not sure why their is one or the other.... I was never asked which i wanted when buying the phone. Even the CUSTOMIZING HOME SCREEN tutorial on tmobile's site assumes you have TF3D.
The whole thing is just confusing.
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Like I said.. Sense is touchflo3D for all intensive purposes... most of the editors you see WILL work with sense. Sense is the newer name for Touchflo3d.
Sense comes in different varients... 2.1 and 2.5... you likely have one of those. I can't say for sure but I thought that cookies home tab only worked with 2.5 which is a significant upgrade. If it does work with Sense 2.1 then odds are you are good either way.
Do some more reading and you'll find out everything you need.

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Like I said.. Sense is touchflo3D for all intensive purposes... most of the editors you see WILL work with sense. Sense is the newer name for Touchflo3d.
Sense comes in different varients... 2.1 and 2.5... you likely have one of those. I can't say for sure but I thought that cookies home tab only worked with 2.5 which is a significant upgrade. If it does work with Sense 2.1 then odds are you are good either way.
Do some more reading and you'll find out everything you need.
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It doesn't work with 2.1 I already tried a while ago and ended up having to hard reset my phone, losing everything, because it screwed it up.