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Video Out through mini USB?

Has anyone looked into this? With the audio now being output there, is there another pin carrying video that's yet undiscovered? Thanks.

nope no video out from what ive researched. even if there were, its qvga resolution so you are fairly limited.
you could your soti pocket controller to control your pda from your PC, you get a real time feed of you ppc on your pc.
hope this helps.
adios...

It is definitely possible to do it (even that I have no idea how).
Ateksoft has a program called WebCamera Plus which let you use your PDA as real-time webcam.
http://www.ateksoft.com/webcamplus.html
I'm using it on my TyTN and it works great.

using a pda or symbian smart phone as a webcam is possible as the software captures the straming video and transmits its as data packetrs via usb or BT to a PC, in which it is then decoded on the PC and the image/video stream from the camera is formed.
Actual video out (such as that accomplished with notebooks) via usb on the TYTN is another thing - from what I have read it might not be possible.

Anyone seen or tried the MicroSD version of this http://www.spectec.com.tw/sdv.htm ?

its really funny u askd this cus just last night b4 I went to bed, I wondered the same thing
I googled video out via usb and found a 60 dollar cable that converted from standard usb to s-video and audio and I'm sure theres mini-usb to usb converter
=) so hope that helps. I'd look it up but I have no 3g here at my parents lake house =/ I'm connectd over gsm, just got here. I get no umts at all and barely any gsm signal. this craps slow

I looked on the net for the Spectec Video-To-Go microSD Card and found it here
http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=139433&partner=froogle
It's $171.95. this would be great if I was still doing customer presentations.

Please note: This product does not convert the screen’s image into a VGA video signal. ... then what exactly does this do .. has me confused since some time ...
Also, these things require SDIO support .. not sure if TyTN got one ..

It'd be easy enough to emulate VGA on your device and use that for presentations, but your limitation is lack of an I/O to the graphic chip. As such, you're stuck with streaming the display data, which will be slow (for games), but perhaps perfectly fine for a slideshow.
Next prob though is the hardware - you can stream from device to device, but not stream from device to a (mini-usb) wire to a projector etc - at least the hardware issues are well beyond my experience.
A streaming projector might be a good solution. But all in, I think you're generally stuck for a cheap solution to outputing video over USB without a surrogate device in the middle. And if you're gonna have a surrogate, you might as well use that as the display device.
Check out nyditot for a VGA emulator.
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May I suggest a better way? Simply install PC-based Powerpoint viewer on storage card. That way you merely need to drop your card into an USB SD reader, connect the reader to any host PC, and run your presentation. I do this often and avoid traveling with my laptop.
-Jeff

One reason I've always disliked the Ateksoft solution is that it requires installation of Ateksoft magicry on the PC. A true webcam solution should simply make the PPC act like a dumb webcam, piping the audio and video to the USB. We've all experienced those cheap webcams which you just plug in to your USB port, and MSN or Yahoo or whatever can pick up the device as an audio/video webcam, no installation of drivers required.
Software which does for webcam what Softick does for USB mass storage is what I'm after...

You didn't say what you wanted by 'video out'.. but I can tell you there aren't any 'unused' pins in the USB pinout. They're all audio or usb data. If the TYTN supported usb on the go (which it doesn't seem to) then you might see it turn into a mass storage device or webcam easily..
But for the moment, no, theres no pins to tap a composite or vga signal off of. I highly doubt the device has such a chip on board.

eh, I wanted to output video to my car A/V system. since I can sync the video on my device to my media center, that would be the easiest way to take shows to my car. so the streaming or flash solutions really don't address the problem for me...thanks for all of the thinking on it, though

ditto here
JEM said:
eh, I wanted to output video to my car A/V system. since I can sync the video on my device to my media center, that would be the easiest way to take shows to my car. so the streaming or flash solutions really don't address the problem for me...thanks for all of the thinking on it, though
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That's the kinda stuff i've always wanted e.i. connecting my PDA to the SVideo Input of my car screen.
Seems "easy" to do with activesync, but seems to cause trouble because of the lack of video stream on usb pinout.
I'm just letting out an idea : Might be possible to emulate an activesync connection and capture the sreeen of the PDA and broadcast it out on svideo.
(don't ask, I don't even have a clue of how to do that)
SOTI Pocket controler and My Mobiler can do that, any chance someone find out a way ?
TY Guys, have fun

tv out

i'm pretty sure the answer's gonna be 'no' but;
can this touch pro tv out cable be used on the touch cruise, i'm assuming not but anyone know if this be hardware and drivers/software or just drivers/software, in which case can we get the appropriate software/drivers from a dumped rom and adapt?
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(sorry for posting accessory query here, but there's hardly any viewers in there!)

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Well the Pro has the same Input as TC, so it should be not a Problem to use.
You dont need any special Software, but the Device you want to connect should have Plug&Play Support to recognize the TC.
And if no Plug & Play Support on the TV, you will defitly need a Driver for that, but every new TV has the P&P Support. I dont think that you use a 10 Years old TV

angel--eyes said:
Well the Pro has the same Input as TC, so it should be not a Problem to use.
You dont need any special Software, but the Device you want to connect should have Plug&Play Support to recognize the TC.
And if no Plug & Play Support on the TV, you will defitly need a Driver for that, but every new TV has the P&P Support. I dont think that you use a 10 Years old TV
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Erm... you've got UDK r9??

are you sure, only you're saying that because the connectors are the same it will, but the touch pro has the same mini usb connector as many devices/predecessors such as TC P3650 and ARTEMIS P3300 but only the latest edition - the pro - is shown on the htc site as having tv out. also
you don't sound as though you're speaking from having tried it first hand.
sorry it's just the cable costs 15-20GBP which is a fair whack if it doesn't

angel--eyes said:
Well the Pro has the same Input as TC, so it should be not a Problem to use.
You dont need any special Software, but the Device you want to connect should have Plug&Play Support to recognize the TC.
And if no Plug & Play Support on the TV, you will defitly need a Driver for that, but every new TV has the P&P Support. I dont think that you use a 10 Years old TV
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TC has same input as PRO?
We are talking about output here and just about every HTC phone I have used has the 11 pin mini usb plug, so does that mean every HTC has TV out?
If that is the case why has HTC not release the cable before?

bally3 said:
Erm... you've got UDK r9??
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whats R9 got to do with anything?

dysolve said:
TC has same input as PRO?
We are talking about output here and just about every HTC phone I have used has the 11 pin mini usb plug, so does that mean every HTC has TV out?
If that is the case why has HTC not release the cable before?
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Not too mention modern Motorola phones as well as many peripherials, and I don't think it would be smart to assume they have TV out as well when paired with this cable.

anyone with an excess of cash (i.e. rich) - buy a cable and try it please!

Video Out for the Tilt

Anybody know if there is a cable that can give you video-out for the Tilt?
I want to be able to plug it into my 7" screen in my truck and watch videos.
Is that even possible?

brynwall said:
Anybody know if there is a cable that can give you video-out for the Tilt?
I want to be able to plug it into my 7" screen in my truck and watch videos.
Is that even possible?
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Does your truck have a USB in? if it does you can use the tilt as a usb drive using Card Export.

no usb in.

punkhawaiian said:
Does your truck have a USB in? if it does you can use the tilt as a usb drive using Card Export.
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Sir, I need to thank you. Excellent little piece of software! Working perfectly on my laptop, and I can't wait to try this on my car stereo and my flat screen. Damn the iPod in the car! I'll use my phone!

where is the link for card export?

dvn2008 said:
where is the link for card export?
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Google is your friend
http://www.softick.com/pocket-pc/cardexport2/

brynwall said:
Anybody know if there is a cable that can give you video-out for the Tilt?
I want to be able to plug it into my 7" screen in my truck and watch videos.
Is that even possible?
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tilt doesn't support video out ... therefore no video out cable.

the tilt CAN do video out.
witness the celio redfly.
whats on the screen is a video out.
how do they do that?

joihan777 said:
the tilt CAN do video out.
witness the celio redfly.
whats on the screen is a video out.
how do they do that?
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i think its a piece of software. The Redfly works as USB Host and installs a cab on your kaiser (reference MyMobile)

Corpsegrinder said:
Google is your friend
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Not my friend. I've lost both my GF and my dog to Google. Damn you Google!

maybe its a ***** stealer

there both WHOREZ, google is such a slut. it seems there should be some type of software to get video out. be one hell of a coding job thou.

What about http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=120353015876? It is for the Raphael, but uses the same USB proprietary plug... I know that the TyTN II does not have video out, but is it a hardware limitation, or is it a software implimentation thing?
Additionally, what about http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280152731909? That would get you to VGA/composite... then I guess you'd run that as video, then run audio out the head phone port... I think it'd be possible that route easiest, albeit not cheapest... and as I look at it, it may only be good for still slides... like maybe it acts as a "printer port" of sorts, and you 'print' the slide to the device... bummer... I thought I was onto something there...

If you read the description of the second link, the requirement says the pda has to have an sd slot. Kaiser would not work with that solution.

Um, isn't the SD slot the thingy that I put my micro SD in? The description states that it is for a MicroSD slot... and by the picture, that sure it what it looks like...
But every thing I read, the SD Slot gets recognised as a printer device, and you 'print' your documents to the port, and the port compiles the 'pages' into slides to output for you as a slideshow...
However, I think the question with the first post stands most important... is it a software difference in the Raphael, or a hardware difference?

Hardware. The chipset in the Kaiser can technically do video out, but the required circuitry is not implemented.

kilrah said:
Hardware. The chipset in the Kaiser can technically do video out, but the required circuitry is not implemented.
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Wonderful reply, thank you. If I happen across the TyTN II I want to find, I will go hacking at it and see if I can do anything with it...
Does anyone know if we have the SDIO port, or if we just have a standard SD port?

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=733&view=1
This lists it as SDIO capable.

If the Redfly and MobileMe can both do video out on the Kaiser, then I'm sure you could get the Kaiser to do video out with the right software.
The trouble is, who is going to write the software? The device has basically been discontinued, and the replacement devices all have video out. So unless you happen to come across an awesoem programmer who just happens to have a Kaiser himself, the chances of it ever happening are pretty slim.

I'm not sure if this technically counts as video out, but there's a freeware application called "mymobiler" that installs a service on your winmo device and then outputs a fully functional display of your device on your computer screen via a USB cable. I used it a few times when I was giving presentations of winmo software I was writing on my Tilt and it works well enough, although it might choke on heavy animation.
Overall not something you could just plug into a video-in somewhere, but it might be a start for those who have PC's etc. running with a touchscreen in their dash.
http://www.mymobiler.com/

Samsung launches official Galaxy S website!

Here the link:
http://galaxys.samsungmobile.com/
You can view the specifications and the user guide.
There the outside of the phone is explained -> no LED flash light.

hehe i love the website and the "video" nicely done!

Has anyone seen a link for a downloadable version of the Manual?

According to the spec sheet on the website, as well as DIVX and XVID the Galaxy will be able to play back h264 files in the MKV container! To the best of my knowledge, this is an absolute first for a mobile phone. As someone who watches a lot of video whilst travelling, this is fantastic news.

this will be definitely my next phone! Even if it has no flash light for the camera, but it's not an important fact for me...
And when that thing gets (hopefully) rooted, I will get rid of TouchWiz UI ;D

ClownShoes said:
the Galaxy will be able to play back h264 files in the MKV container!
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I can confirm: this works great! Though the tested file had variable bitrate up to 5 MBit/s and that was a bit too much for the Galaxy S. The video was played back without complaint, but it skipped frames, sometimes less, somtimes more. Still amazing. Another 720p file in an MP4-Container and fixed 1MBit video rate was flawless and stunning to watch.
The sound is also great. This tiny speaker is loud enough and not at all squeaky. Headphones still prefered, of course.

Beards said:
Has anyone seen a link for a downloadable version of the Manual?
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downloadcenter.samsung. com/content/UM/201005/20100531095426359/GT-I9000_UM_EU_Eng_Rev.1.2_100525.pdf (remove the space)
I believe this is what you're looking for?

Hasn't anybody noticed that it will ship with Flash Lite in the browser? I know it's not full Flash 10.1 like with Froyo, but still is better than nothing.

Also, reading the user manual I spotted a really interesting website: samsungdive.com
It seems that you can configure the phone to alert you when the SIM card changes, or locate the phone if you lost it, very similar to the wavesecure app. I don't know if this was available to previous samsung phones, but it seems a pretty cool addition to android, don't you think?
I'm loving even more this phone!

sounds like a pretty cool feature

It just gets better and better.
The manual also reveals that there is a TV out feature. Only PAL/NTSC via headphone jack, but better than nothing. And we still have AllShare.

Wow TV Out, I didn't spot that the first time. It's nice to be able to just plug the cable to the TV, as mine is a bit old and doesn't seem to have DLNA.
Anybody knows if you can output HD video through the headphone jack, or just standard definition?

Like I said, PAL/NTSC, which are the trusty old standard definition TV formats. The quality won't be very good also, because it is a composite signal.
Devices capable of DLNA, like media streaming boxes, are getting ever cheaper, though.

It mentions an 'optional multifunction cable' for TV out.

Erm... it seems we are not reading the same manual there. The only thing multifunctuinal in the manual is the "multifunctional jack", which is just the USB port.

PlanetJumble said:
Erm... it seems we are not reading the same manual there. The only thing multifunctuinal in the manual is the "multifunctional jack", which is just the USB port.
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Yes, the multifunction connector is a USB port, I don't deny that.
What I am saying is first on page 88 item 5 it says:-
"Ensure that the TV is on and connect your device to the
TV with a TV out cable".
The later on the following page which is page 89 item 3 of the manual it says:-
"Using an optional PC data cable, connect the multifunction jack on your device to a PC with Windows Media Player installed."

Correct, and the next step on that list is "synchronize music files". Now what have these points in common? Nothing at all.
The TV out function clearly describes the format (PAL/NTSC) and the connector (A/V, which means composite). That is an analogue connection, which is provided on the analogue headphone jack.

Does the galaxy s support x264?

Oh come on! Didn't you even read the tiniest fact sheet?

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Oh come on! Didn't you even read the tiniest fact sheet?
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Please be careful... I found your reply a 'little' cold as well as this one.
It's his/her first post... Let's not make them feel unwelcome straight away.

Desktop/UI via HDMI-Out

One of the biggest features I'm looking for in either the EVO or Streak (still not sure which I'm going with, gotta wait another month for the Streak to come out) is to have the Android desktop/UI/home screen sent out via HDMI. What I would hope to do is:
- be using the phone
- dock it (with HDMI to display)
- have the display show up on the TV (preferably fitting the aspect ratio and resolution of the display, though not necessarily a requirement)
The thought then would be to use a mouse and keyboard via either Bluetooth or USB (in host mode, obviously), and use the phone on the larger display to function basically as a netbook replacement (web browsing, music/videos, light gaming, light office prod. stuff).
I've seen other people on here asking around if it was possible, which it looks like it ISN'T out of the box...but maybe a developer looking for something to do might pick up on this post. You'd make a lot of people very happy!

I am also very interested in this.

So basically something like this?
http://sven.killig.de/android/N1/2.2/usb_host/

I think a good example would be the functionality that matches the current Touch Pro/Fuze TV-Out functionality... Unlike the HDMI output restrictions that are currently on the Evo device, I am able to use the entire OS (Winmo) to select start, programs, play programs, games (Tony Hawk), etc. The TV acts a full clone to what is on the phone screen itself..
I am looking for similar functionality so I can play a movie, nav, on a HDMI connected slate while the Evo is out of site (examples - vehicle screens, portable screens ). Obviously there would no input commands from the screen attached device, but a bluetooth air mouse could help out with that.

Yeah... would be nice, imagine HID bluetooth devices(wii mote controller) hook the phone to a tv, and play some classic games...
RIGHT ON

techwerkz said:
So basically something like this?
http://sven.killig.de/android/N1/2.2/usb_host/
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Yes, as far as input goes, but it would also need software (or a core OS update?) to push the display out via HDMI, at the same time.

I was really interested in this as a possibility, and certainly took notice of the nexus one with host USB capability. Bear in mind the Nexus One was not pushing the device's display out, it was running an X server, but still a neat idea.
I know that currently only the HTC software can push anything out of the HDMI port, but I expect it is simply a matter of applications knowing to take advantage of it, probably not even drivers.
A quick google of htc evo hdmi API gets you sprints android development site, which says the guide includes info on how your applications can take advantage of the HDMI port. I haven't messed with the android API much yet, but the only issue would be for someone to write an application that can grab the entire display, and then push it out to the port via the API.
http:// developer.sprint.com/site/global/develop/mobile_platforms/android/android.jsp

laydros said:
I was really interested in this as a possibility, and certainly took notice of the nexus one with host USB capability. Bear in mind the Nexus One was not pushing the device's display out, it was running an X server, but still a neat idea.
I know that currently only the HTC software can push anything out of the HDMI port, but I expect it is simply a matter of applications knowing to take advantage of it, probably not even drivers.
A quick google of htc evo hdmi API gets you sprints android development site, which says the guide includes info on how your applications can take advantage of the HDMI port. I haven't messed with the android API much yet, but the only issue would be for someone to write an application that can grab the entire display, and then push it out to the port via the API.
http:// developer.sprint.com/site/global/develop/mobile_platforms/android/android.jsp
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Only thing I'd worry about there is that it isn't actually "grabbing" the screen (as in screen captures, polling it for changes, etc) because that could absolutely kill performance. That's why I wonder if it wouldn't require driver access or update, in order to actually "push" the display out the HDMI port (note: I'm not a developer, so I can only do my best to keep up with what potential issues might be. )

Any update on this?
I noticed if you read further down on the USB Host Mode page, there's info on a USB TV driver (TV IN sadly), an X11 driver (not sure which way they mean), and also DisplayLink although I think that is some kind of device you need to buy. If I could X11 remote host my Android that would be PIMP but I doubt I'll get that lucky!
I desperately want to do this myself (TV OUT from Android), whether it be HDMI or USB or whatever. I need to output the OS and apps (for demo purposes).

i was thinking the same, somewhere along the lines of PdaReach for palm devices. but the monitor being an actual TV for entertainment purposes. ...trying to get my extra ten dollar fee to use. so if and when netflix decides to make a platform for android devices we could hence watch movies on our televisions via our phones streaming to the TV

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Only thing I'd worry about there is that it isn't actually "grabbing" the screen (as in screen captures, polling it for changes, etc) because that could absolutely kill performance. That's why I wonder if it wouldn't require driver access or update, in order to actually "push" the display out the HDMI port (note: I'm not a developer, so I can only do my best to keep up with what potential issues might be. )
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The framebuffer is unprotected on stock Evo's & rooted Evo's alike, so if you just grabbed every frame as it went through the framebuffer and outputted it to the display, it could be done easily on any Evo. That is unless HTC plugged the unprotected framebuffer bug on a new update.
In any case, it wouldn't be that hard, it'd hurt performance a little, but I don't know for sure. An app wouldn't be that hard to make, think a high speed screenshot app, talk to the devs of ShootMe about how they grab from the framebuffer.

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The framebuffer is unprotected on stock Evo's & rooted Evo's alike, so if you just grabbed every frame as it went through the framebuffer and outputted it to the display, it could be done easily on any Evo. That is unless HTC plugged the unprotected framebuffer bug on a new update.
In any case, it wouldn't be that hard, it'd hurt performance a little, but I don't know for sure. An app wouldn't be that hard to make, think a high speed screenshot app, talk to the devs of ShootMe about how they grab from the framebuffer.
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That IS Genius!! Is anyone going to do this, or do I need to? (I have no Android programming skills sadly!)

I finally got a working HDMI cable from Sprint. My Amzer cable is bad apparently!
I'm happy now!
But still, ANYONE want to embark on this project??

jigglywiggly said:
Yeah... would be nice, imagine HID bluetooth devices(wii mote controller) hook the phone to a tv, and play some classic games...
RIGHT ON
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Now THAT would be awesome!

i hope someone figures this out because i really need HDMI out on slingplayer to work

I wonder if we can just find the piece of code that the stock Youtube & HTC Gallery uses to take advantage of the HDMI and then implement it as a system service? Or at least have HTC tell or post on their website how to implement the code in their app, especially for the slingplayer!

Ill buy someone an HDMI cable if they're willing to work on this lol

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I wonder if we can just find the piece of code that the stock Youtube & HTC Gallery uses to take advantage of the HDMI and then implement it as a system service? Or at least have HTC tell or post on their website how to implement the code in their app, especially for the slingplayer!
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Easy, it's all right here!
docs.google.com/ View?id=dhtsnvs6_57d2hpqtgr#4_HDMI_output_support_82321908
(I can't seem to post a link so you'll have to copy/paste this one)

skewbasteve said:
I wonder if we can just find the piece of code that the stock Youtube & HTC Gallery uses to take advantage of the HDMI and then implement it as a system service? Or at least have HTC tell or post on their website how to implement the code in their app, especially for the slingplayer!
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That won't work. It's already in the Evo developer docs as posted by the person above me. All it does is take any VideoView object in any app and broadcast it over HDMI unless you specifically tell it not to in the application manifest.
There is no way to run that as a service. As of yet I've tried the following:
Copy frames via CLI from /dev/graphics/fb0 (the main screen framebuffer) to /dev/graphics/fb1 (the HDMI framebuffer) to see if it is possible to work it like that. It isn't.
Symlink the two framebuffers so in theory whatever happens to one, should happen to the other. It doesn't work either. It does do something since it breaks HDMI output, but it doesn't display the screen. This could be because the resolution doesn't match one of the TVs supported resolutions.
I'm still going to try a custom kernel once I get my build environment set up (hopefully tomorrow) with a few changes, but I can't promise anything. Anything more complicated than Java is a little over my head, but I can do a little.
I'll keep you posted.
Regards,
Jesse C.

I'm willing to put $10 towards the bounty.
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