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Connecting my Wizard to a mobile HDD - Urgent!

Hi there,
I have taken lots of useful information from this forum and I must say it is definitely the best forum for wizards in the net!
Now my question:
I am going on vacation on Saturday I have a mobile 250 GB HDD which stores all my music collection. I do not want to take my laptop with me. Is there a way to transfer my music from the mobile HDD to the miniSD card in my Wizard without using the laptop? Can the Resco Explorer and a USB hub help me with that? ANY useful suggestion welcome.
Thanks in advance!
Rgds
Lars

nope...
Sorry, it's not gonna happen. USB works on a client - master relationship and the HD and Wizard are both clients. Without a device to work as a master (eg a computer, some PMPs) between them, no communication can take place.
Servus

what is a PMP?

what is a PMP?
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PMP stands for Portable Media Player. It would be cool though if there would be software available to give the wizard USB Host controller support. Don't know if that is difficult to do.
Cheers,
Shah

Yeah, to be honest I'm pretty surprised that this can't be done; is there some fundamental reason why its not been done?
Also, can I print stuff off my device yet? I know I can't plug a printer in, but can i print to a bluetooth printer?

you can print via IR to HP printers, that I know.
Is there no workaround to connect to a mobile HDD? I can control my PC with my Wizard but I can not access a mobile HDD???
How about emulating a USB Host controller? Any ideas?

I believe you actually need a piece of hardware for a device to act as a USB controller, not just software.

What peice of hardware would that be?

enlite_de said:
What peice of hardware would that be?
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I knew that question was going to come up with my phrasing.
"Piece of hardware" here refers to an actual chip, like those found on your PC motherboards to act as a USB controller. In short, there is absolutely nothing that you can buy and plug into a Wizard to have it act as a controller. There is a CompactFlash USB controller somewhere, but I heard it's rather unreliable and slow. Plus, it's CF only, and we don't have a CF slot

We do have a CF slot but we just don't show it anybody

I'm sure if you took a mini SD to micro SD conerter, a soldering iron and some pieces of wire you could wire up a compact flash jobby. You could probably take the compact flash plug thing to bits and re-weire it to a mini SD one.

I rather carry my laptop LOL.
Thanks anyway.

Connect Athena to external touch screen monitor, possibile?

Hi guys, i am currently trying to set up my Athena with my car, i wonder if it's possible to connect my Athena with a external touch screen monitor like this one: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/8-INCH-TOUCH-...9QQihZ005QQcategoryZ32826QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
throw the VGA cable.
I know it will display the screen throw VGA out, but I am not sure whether it will enable the touch screen function, any of you know this?
Thanks a lot
p.s. I will post some screen shot if I succeed in this project.

Is that a PS2 port?
Seems to me the key question is how would it get positioning info back to the ameo? That looks like a PS2 port on the non-vga cable. IF it was sending back mouse positioning info AND a simple ps2 to USB converter would work then I'd guess it MIGHT work with the mouse drivers i've seen discussed elsewhere. There is a fair few conditions to meet but mostly at a low level by the look of things. Not much info to go on and also it loks like they are using a pen of some kind there. That makes it less useful I think?

inframan said:
Seems to me the key question is how would it get positioning info back to the ameo? That looks like a PS2 port on the non-vga cable. IF it was sending back mouse positioning info AND a simple ps2 to USB converter would work then I'd guess it MIGHT work with the mouse drivers i've seen discussed elsewhere. There is a fair few conditions to meet but mostly at a low level by the look of things. Not much info to go on and also it loks like they are using a pen of some kind there. That makes it less useful I think?
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I am sure you don't need a pen, there are lots of touch screen out there, for example this one: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....tToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
I just don't know if we simply plug in the vga cable from our Athena to the touch screen, will that work?
Possibility not, I can kind of see a usb cable there, how about plug that in the usb host ? but then maybe we still need to install the driver.....
Basically, what I am trying to do here to use get a bigger screen to show for Athena in a car. So, I will then have much bigger TOMTOM, and also can watch movie or go on internet.
Any good suggestion guys? Thanks a lot for all your help.

I cant see any specks on that, but i did find another that said it was usb, if thats the case theres no reason why it shouldnt work.

johnwalk said:
I cant see any specks on that, but i did find another that said it was usb, if thats the case theres no reason why it shouldnt work.
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it seems like they all need to install driver, do you think it will work without driver?

thats the only problem, does it need specialist drivers? I havnt been able to come up with an answer yet.
But i wont be buying one for the car, somone nicked me vario yesterday from the car so not even chancing the Ameo.
I was just going to buy a little 7" tv I bought this tiny Keyboard out of Maplin on offer. thought it would look sweet in the car. but this is giving me other ideas, anybody shed light!

They ALL need specialist drivers.
Touchscreen is absolute position, mouse is relative. You NEED the custom driver. It may be possible, but I dont know how.

1. I think on the Pic is a S-Video cable not PS2.
(The specs say nothing about PS2)
2. Till now i just saw Touchscreens with USB and like Profer said they all
need secial drivers.

Basmelek said:
1. I think on the Pic is a S-Video cable not PS2.
(The specs say nothing about PS2)
2. Till now i just saw Touchscreens with USB and like Profer said they all
need secial drivers.
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Thanks for your answer, i just ask one of the seller there on ebay, and the answer I got is I will be able to plug the VGA cable in, that will enable the screen to display, but in order to get the touch screen working, I also need to plug in a USB, so now the question is whether the USB host will work on this....and of course the driver need to work too

The 4in1 cable should allow the USB to connect, but you would have to convince 3m or somebody (make most of the drivers) to write a PPC driver.
As almost ALL ppc's are touchscreen, they probably wouldnt bother for the 1 customer that wants it
If you know a coding guru who understands USB, then get them to do it for you. Either way, I doubt its gonna happen.

IT WORKS!
Hi, everybody.
Don't know how many of u are interested in this issue, but anyway:
1. just grab the generic touch screen driver for win ce 5.0 from the usual site.
2. Copy 'n paste the UsbTouch.dll file into windows root directory of the X7500.
3. Plug the video cable (the one with usb connector).
4. Plug the xenarc TS usb cable in the abovementioned cable.
5. Wait for the dialogue box asking for the driver to be used with the unknown device.
6. Write the name of the .dll file copied into the device.
7. Press ok.
et voilà, les jeux sont fait! It woks perfectly, without even the need for calibration.
This is (even if it lacks some of the fun of setting up a carputer from scratch) the ultimate carputer, perfect integration among all application and real time (quite) OS.
Cheers.
Cyberlancer.

Pyrofer said:
The 4in1 cable should allow the USB to connect, but you would have to convince 3m or somebody (make most of the drivers) to write a PPC driver.
As almost ALL ppc's are touchscreen, they probably wouldnt bother for the 1 customer that wants it
If you know a coding guru who understands USB, then get them to do it for you. Either way, I doubt its gonna happen.
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Your on the right track with this answer,
Look for a touch screen that has a protocol that is treated as a standard HID ( Human interface device ) Ie:mouse, keyboard etc.etc.
if you can find such a device then the built in drivers for plug and play HID's will work fine.
otherwise the rest are right

Did this really work??? What car? This would simply be quite fantabulous.
cyberlancer said:
Hi, everybody.
Don't know how many of u are interested in this issue, but anyway:
1. just grab the generic touch screen driver for win ce 5.0 from the usual site.
2. Copy 'n paste the UsbTouch.dll file into windows root directory of the X7500.
3. Plug the video cable (the one with usb connector).
4. Plug the xenarc TS usb cable in the abovementioned cable.
5. Wait for the dialogue box asking for the driver to be used with the unknown device.
6. Write the name of the .dll file copied into the device.
7. Press ok.
et voilà, les jeux sont fait! It woks perfectly, without even the need for calibration.
This is (even if it lacks some of the fun of setting up a carputer from scratch) the ultimate carputer, perfect integration among all application and real time (quite) OS.
Cheers.
Cyberlancer.
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(OTG) On the Go Flashing using usb stick!!

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I love this forum. I have learn't so much so far, but still have a lot to learn. Epecially programming for WM. Anyway, on to the reason for posting this thread.
Since learning that I could flash from my microSD card thanks to the tutorial by renaming the *.nbh to KAISIMG.nbh and placing it in the root folder. I have been making custom 1st splash screens to flash remotely as well as making a directory on my microSd ("Flashing from MicroSD") and creating directories for original roms such as (\WM6 Originals\Alex\KAISIMG.nbh) or (\WM6.1\SleuthV3\KAISIMG.nbh), (I also have KAISIMG for just Radios under a different folder) so when I want to try a new rom, flash a different radio or splash, I can at anytime.
Here's the thing I love using the splash tools (maker and converter) and Rom Builder. But obviously you need a PC. Would anyone by able to recreate a mobile version of these tools so we could do most things (customisation wise) whilst we are mobile.
I.E. I want to make and flash a new splash whilst mobile from a *.jpg. I could use this program to convert to .bmp format needed, then convert to *.nb thsn to *.nbh. I could then use a file manager to rename to KAISIMG.nbh then place in microSD root folder and flash.
What you think? Would this be too hard to do? Anyone want more mobile control of your mobile customisation?
Other tools that could be ported would also help. I make the welcome.96.png with my mobile graphics problems.
Well for the moment I'll stick to making several themed splash into the KAISIMG.nbh to flash remotely (making sure you have enough battery mind/dont flash on 10% or something/I recommend over 10% for mobile flashing your splashes and over 50% for you WM Roms)
Got a collection of around 19 Slide out Keyboard sounds inc Knightrider, Thundercats, Xbox 360 boot sound and others. When I have a couple more made I'll post my Sliding keyboard Sounds.cab if anybody wants it over the next Couple of days. (Some sounds gathered from other users share i.e. Mario etc) See this post for my collection of sounds: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372999
Thanks anyway. Feel free to post your views and look forward to seeing if anyone is up to this challenge..
for ever an xda padawan (as no-one ever knows everything)
diigibio

OTG
Ok, here I go again. How about this??
I have a mini-usb to female USB connector which came with my Archos AV700TV for OTG (On The Go). Which allows me to insert my 4GB usb stick into the Archos. Where I can play, copy, delete or edit anything on the stick.
These connectors don't cost a lot and in my point of view would be a great advantage to those of us that want to Flash our Roms and Splash screens etc whilst we are at work or as a passenger in a car. I would like to leave my memory card with just my programs and music.
By having OTG on our devices I/we could keep all our KAISIMG.nbh (Orginal Roms, Custom Roms, Roms we are trying, Radios, Splash) All on a Usb stick, just lease a Maximum of 150MB on memory card. So that when you want to Flash a Rom. You connect your usb stick via small (mini-usb to female usb) into Kaiser (or other/I'm not Phonist) And use either an already existing filemanager (Resco/Total Commander etc) or created app (developed for sole OTG purpose) to copy \Custom Rom\Alex\WM6.1\Version 3\KAISIMG.nbh to the root of your memory card. Disconnect usb stick boot into bootloader and flash image.
You could also keep all your backup .cab files on the stick and perhaps ask the writer of Tier Auto Install to allow these to be read off such a device as a usb stick using (OTG).
And at only a guess if OTG was created for our phones I'm sure they could possible support higher size usb sticks than our microSDHC cards.
Only an Idea though. CAN ANYONE HELP?????

The USB OTG protocol is a hardware thing. Most WM devices do not have the ability to host a USB port, and so cannot initiate the connection needed to acheive what you want.

l3v5y said:
The USB OTG protocol is a hardware thing. Most WM devices do not have the ability to host a USB port, and so cannot initiate the connection needed to acheive what you want.
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Never Mind then just thought with it being (Universal Serial Bus) I thought we could perhaps do something along the lines of WM5Storage. Thought it'ld just be a driver plus writing a relevant protocal script.
Thanks for the input anyway.
diigibio

Please Read this: http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/1822
And this:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb202176.aspx

The kaiser doesn't have the correct hardware...

l3v5y said:
The kaiser doesn't have the correct hardware...
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Yes you said and I submitted. No harm in extra reading material as this is something I'm interested. Besides there is nothing much else to do in Blackpool at the moment.
Gonna go read..
diigibio

diigibio said:
Yes you said and I submitted. No harm in extra reading material as this is something I'm interested. Besides there is nothing much else to do in Blackpool at the moment.
Gonna go read..
diigibio
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Now, what resistors do I have to solder where to make it work........

l3v5y said:
Now, what resistors do I have to solder where to make it work........
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Who knows!! LOL
Gonna, try and by a cheap otg hd with built in led and see if it picks up the phone, maybe using the WM5Storage program so the otg hd might recognise it as the otg drive would be the host and has the hardware.
Even if it works, a bit bigger than something that can be carried around the neck...
I'm Bored...

If you have a OTG archos, couldn't you use that?

l3v5y said:
If you have a OTG archos, couldn't you use that?
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Yeah, tried just now it comes up with portable storage device connected, but has some kind of error "USB Device could not be read correctly. Please try again".
It charges my phone though, so that a positive at least. Can use it as a portable battery pack as I take my archos everywhere. And I can charge that at work.
Maybe the error is caused because the phone has multiple memory types: Flash, microSD. Maybe it needs some software to point it in the right direction.???

Even when using WM5torage?

l3v5y said:
Even when using WM5torage?
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Yes, I have version 1.8. Don't know if this is recent and I'm using WM6.1 (Sleuth V3)
It reads card via card reader though via otg.

Ah, Softtick Card Export Works fine direct to archos. Still not quite what I was after but would sufice.

I gotta get me one of those...

One Great Device
l3v5y said:
I gotta get me one of those...
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I love my Archos AV700TV. Just got two of my colleagues one each for £150 inc postage.
7inch Screen, TV-OUT/TV-IN Freeview TV with Quality Aerials plus Aerial Car suction cup mounts. OTG go with cool browser, Pics, games, movies (including divx) Great battery life 40gb HD by default (up to 100GB) Can record freeview straight to box with included aerials or using TV Aerial to Mini-usb adapter. Also has a schedular feature, Portable USB 2.0 Hard Drive.
Now it stores my WM Roms and .cabs and also can be used to charge my phone via usb.
Wouldn't Sell it for the world!! Oh and comes with graphics drivers!! LOL
diigibio

Video out?

Is there any way to get video out with the Titan?
I have a CD deck in my truck that supports video out and thought it would be neat if I could have Tom Tom on the screen.

bump... i have iGo, SlingPlayer Mobile and TCPMP all installed on my Titan, so a video out function would be LOVE-LEE! and surely people would donate to video out software

It's not possible, it's a hardware function and the hardware doesn't support it.

I know the old Dell Axims used to have this functionality. They had a "video card" you could plug in that had a composite video connection on the other end. Perhaps someone makes something that could be hooked up through the mini-usb port or even the micro SD slot?

i'm thinking thru the miniUSB... i dread touching microSD at all costs

it dont support usb host so usb is input only cant talk to other devices
only options are SDIO or bluetooth

What is SDIO?

Americanmetal said:
What is SDIO?
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Secure Digital Input / Output (your memory card slot)
Wiki SDIO

I use MyMobiler to display my PPC on my CarPC. Pretty cool, but doesn't help you any, sorry.

SDIO is used most often in reference to a input/output device, i.e. a wireless card, interface card, network card, etc. Memory is usually just called SD or SDHC depending on the sizes.
I do think SDIO addresses both of these, but the common names for them are as I described above.
BTC

Ahh I see
So are there any bluetooth receivers that output video via RCA cables?

bedoig said:
I use MyMobiler to display my PPC on my CarPC. Pretty cool, but doesn't help you any, sorry.
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mp3car? if it doesnt take things far enough off topic to upset the board post a pic!

tv or video out ??

hi
i dont know if this has been covered (the search didnt find anything relevant)
is there a hack / way for video or tv out on this device??
thanks

zohaer21 said:
hi
i dont know if this has been covered (the search didnt find anything relevant)
is there a hack / way for video or tv out on this device??
thanks
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I am also interested by that.
Any ideas?

Basically, I would like to know if TV out is possible to connect it to my car entertainment device that I am planning to buy :
Din 1, 7 inch with DVD, GPS, Bluetoth, USB.
This will transform this device to a mobile device with a large screen from where I can surf, chat, play games etc...(launch all apps from the HTC HD2)
Any ideas?

It's not possible. Sorry, but it really is that simple.

Thanks for the answer.
Is this because of the harware that does not support it or is it because there is no driver developped by HTC?

i really think thats a driver problem only Maybe there is a way to stream video signal over wifi or bluetooth? it's kinda strange thing to do but i think it's possible using a software?

I read in a forum that via the 3,5mm jack it might be possible to video out (it was for another phone).
If Hardware does not support it via micro USB, we are stuck I guess,
If it is a driver issue, xda gurus might develep one,
If micro USB does not support it, what about the 3,5 mm jack?
I am not an expert at all, but I am just brainstorming...
Any thoughts?

This is the message I got rom HTC Support
Thank you for your enquiry about HTC HD2
To answer question 1 and 2, the HD2 does not support video out as it does not have a built in video out socket nor would you be able to achieve this via the 3,5mm jack.
It is not a built in function to handle this via bluetooth I could only suggest you try to look up some 3rd party program, but I could not provide support for this.
Best regards,
Dennis
HTC

Well actually, the HD2 does support video out! Using myMobiler you can display in full screen on your PC what's going on on your HD2. And if in turn, you connect your PC to your TV you could also watch your HD2 on your 50'' Full HD TV screen
OK, I'm joking here, the quality would be terrible, but still, it goes to show that it's possible to have video come out from the micro USB port and be displayed on a much larger screen, so maybe someone will go one step further!

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Well actually, the HD2 does support video out! Using myMobiler you can display in full screen on your PC what's going on on your HD2. And if in turn, you connect your PC to your TV you could also watch your HD2 on your 50'' Full HD TV screen
OK, I'm joking here, the quality would be terrible, but still, it goes to show that it's possible to have video come out from the micro USB port and be displayed on a much larger screen, so maybe someone will go one step further!
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Mon pot
I basically wanted to connect my HD2 to a Car Entertaniement device which has a 7 inch touch-screen, 'genre auto-radio', (7 ' Din1, DVD, GPS, Bluetooth, USB) in order to take advantage of all features/applications from the HTC (Google maps, dictionnaires, enclyclopedia, 3G, opera, chat etc).
Mymobiler will not help at all.
The HTC Touch Pro supports the video-out; The HTC DH2 does not support it as it is now. I have seen on http://wmpoweruser.com/ a guy making a video out cable for this LG eXpo. Check the video. Why can't we do it?
It shouldn't be difficult to make a video out cable...

Via a redfly?
If you were really committed, you could grab a Celiocorp Redfly, wait until they release the HD2 driver, then use the media cable to output to video...
Then, for the transmission of the video, you could use either bluetooth or micro-USB.
So it's technically possible with the right hardware...

The closest thing you'll get to TV out on the HD2 is the ability to set it as a media server, but that will require some kind of media browser client. I've done this with my PS3 and a Nokia N95, but the software is currently under development for the WM platform.
See here...
http://mobileosgi.blogspot.com/2009/08/dlna-media-server-for-smart-phones.html
Incidentally, they use a PS3 on the demo video, but that is not required. Also, you can use this to stream video, not just pictures.

problem is
phones that output through the 3.5 jack have an extra connector inside the socket to carry the image channel so there is no way to adapt a standard 3.5 output to carry video regardless of software. (not taking mine apart to look if its 2 or 3 chanel of course hehe)
as for through the usb im less sure but i'd guess it would only be able to send to host devices and not client peripherals. course, I'd be more than happy to be told otherwise.

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i wish some one finds out how to do this.. but i just did a quick search on google and what i found out was that none of the snap dragon processor based winmo devices do video out
guess ill be keeping my iphone 3gs (cos i need video out )
i just played with the hd2 today and boy im gonna miss not having it

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i just did a quick search on google and what i found out was that none of the snap dragon processor based winmo devices do video out
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The processor has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the device can output video. It needs specific hardware to do this and it is not included in this device, neither through the USB port or the 3.5mm jack socket.
It is 100% impossible to implement a "fix" for this with software because the device simply does not have the hardware required.

Actually, Snapdragon processors DO support TV-Out. The Acer s200 (neo touch) and Toshiba TG01 both run on Snapdragon and support TV-Out. What I think the problem is, is that the hardware is there, but HTC just haven't implemented it. Meaning that they simply have not connected the function. Which is actually a shame as this was the only thing the pushed me away from this spectacular device and choose the Omnia B7610 instead, because it is a better all round device.

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Actually, Snapdragon processors DO support TV-Out. The Acer s200 (neo touch) and Toshiba TG01 both run on Snapdragon and support TV-Out. What I think the problem is, is that the hardware is there, but HTC just haven't implemented it. Meaning that they simply have not connected the function. Which is actually a shame as this was the only thing the pushed me away from this spectacular device and choose the Omnia B7610 instead, because it is a better all round device.
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You need a lot more than just processor support for TV out functionality, so the hardware is not there. Some of it is, but only 1 small part.

Exactly! That's why I was disappointed with the HD2. Seeing as Acer and Tosh both implemented the tv out functionality from the core, why didn't HTC do the same? Surely it wouldn't cost them THAT much more would it?

As far as I understand, this is a hardware related issue and not driver related? If it is driver related, I am sure one day this driver would be coded and made available in this forum.
I was palnning to video out to my car DVD entertainment touch screen device in order to be able to use google maps, opera, dictionnaries etc..
This plan will ne be feasible then...

You can use the hd2 as an usb-stick. With that function i can view movies and listen to music on my Alpine touchscreen radio.