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Hi Guys
My friend has a touch HD and recently bought a larger battery from ebay (an 1800mah) but its not one of the larger ones which requires a new expanded back plate for the phone. I was wondering if anything like this was available for the Jade, probably around the 15-1600 mah mark?
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Jakai
DX have it:
http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27004
Sorry buddy that looks like the same ones off ebay to me, with the larger back plate (making the phone fat!)
I can't imagine the one I'm looking for being over 1800mah or so, due to size. What I'm really after is a more powerful battery but at the same dimensions as the current one.
Anyone else shed any light? To make it more difficult, ideally located in the UK
That is impossible. To get more power the battery needs to be bigger.
nicodbgh said:
DX have it:
http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27004
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This same shop has a 1300Ma version, looks to be same form-factor
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.23977
That looks exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for. Now just need to find a dealer in UK or something on ebay. Thanks for your help!
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Let us know when you find a source closer to Europe. I am interested too for a Touch Cruise!
I've bought one off of ebay for about £7 with free delivery from hong kong, with free delivery! not too shabby I'll let u know how it performs once its arrived.
Says in the review on that link that it doesnt last as well as the standard one
It was only cheap so I guess we'll see. The sheer fact that its higher capacity would suggest it will last longer.
I'm expecting delivery hopefully this week but probably mid next week.
I bough some 2500 mAh NiMh batteries off ebay, my charger measured the best ones at 500 mAh, some where only 350 mAh. With batteries, stick to known brands if you want the best performance.
As nicodbgh said, its impossible. The chemistry in a Li-Ion battery requires a certain amount of volume per Ah, this is not going to be improved on, not significantly anyway. New chemistry may come along that is better, but it won't be Li-Ion.
Battery arrived on saturday and I've put it in the phone. The battery looks identical to the standard HTC one (even has the same "HTC Innovation" text on the front) except that its 1300mah (opposed to the original 1100mah)
It took longer to charge (abut 6 hours) but its only the first cycle. I'll use it this week and see if I notice any jump in battery life.
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And the verdict is:
Absolutely rubbish! It takes much longer to charge than the standard battery and so far I haven't had more than 1.5 days of use out of it, thats maybe 10 minutes of calls and 5-10 texts, few mins of internet. I have push mail and data connection constantly turned on and usually get around 3 days out of the standard 1100mah.
Bit of a dissapointment as I would have liked extra life (an extra day) but it was only cheap and at least now we all know. I speak on behalf of the larger batteries with the extended back plate but my advice is stick with the original battery over the 1300mah one.
Hope this is helpful to others.
JaKai said:
And the verdict is:
Absolutely rubbish! It takes much longer to charge than the standard battery and so far I haven't had more than 1.5 days of use out of it, thats maybe 10 minutes of calls and 5-10 texts, few mins of internet. I have push mail and data connection constantly turned on and usually get around 3 days out of the standard 1100mah.
Bit of a dissapointment as I would have liked extra life (an extra day) but it was only cheap and at least now we all know. I speak on behalf of the larger batteries with the extended back plate but my advice is stick with the original battery over the 1300mah one.
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This is the problem with "no name" batteries. Perhaps it gets better after a few charging cycles.
I wrote to HTC to ask how they measured their "up to 490 hours on Standby" and "up to 380 mins talk time" referred to in their HD2 website specification especially as people like myself were experiencing the battery going flat in <24 hours with almost zero usage of the phone.
Here's their official reply.
Thank you for your email. The specifications that you have referenced are laboratory test conditions, and are not indicative of real-world performance, nor do they take into account the considerable drain incurred by the myriad services and programs that run as a matter of course on Windows Mobile 6.5, as well as any other background applications that may be running, which may not be readily apparent. Please be advised that these laboratory test figures are in line with EU regulations concerning the testing of mobile device batteries, and the real-world battery time that you have quoted of 20-24 hours is well within what we would expect of this device. We have recently released a large capacity battery for use with the HD2, and this can be purchased from the following link :- http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=195058
So in simple terms, we mislead you in our advertising and you'll be lucky to get the battery to last 24 hours. We can't fix it so buy a bigger battery!
What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.
Perhaps we should start a new campaign to get HTC to be more honest about "real-world" expectations.
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What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.
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Because as they said that measurement procedure is a standard that everybody follows, so it would be stupid to do it differently, why "not lie" when everybody does so (and they actually probably wouldn't be allowed to do it differently).
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I wrote to HTC to ask how they measured their "up to 490 hours on Standby" and "up to 380 mins talk time" referred to in their HD2 website specification especially as people like myself were experiencing the battery going flat in <24 hours with almost zero usage of the phone.
Here's their official reply.
Thank you for your email. The specifications that you have referenced are laboratory test conditions, and are not indicative of real-world performance, nor do they take into account the considerable drain incurred by the myriad services and programs that run as a matter of course on Windows Mobile 6.5, as well as any other background applications that may be running, which may not be readily apparent. Please be advised that these laboratory test figures are in line with EU regulations concerning the testing of mobile device batteries, and the real-world battery time that you have quoted of 20-24 hours is well within what we would expect of this device. We have recently released a large capacity battery for use with the HD2, and this can be purchased from the following link :- http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=195058
So in simple terms, we mislead you in our advertising and you'll be lucky to get the battery to last 24 hours. We can't fix it so buy a bigger battery!
What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.
Perhaps we should start a new campaign to get HTC to be more honest about "real-world" expectations.
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What can i say........except that HTC should look in to the real world more often!
I use many phones, from htc, and from other company , my last two nokia phones was "business versions" with "everlasting" battery - first e65 least 40h , second - better version - only 22h ( e66) - it's normal - in this world
If HTC say it's a standard EU process, then perhaps we should campaign to get the EU standard changed as the current published figures give no indication of the phones real performance.
Don't get me wrong, I love the phone but I've never seen one like this go flat in such a short time when on standby.
i love how they say it lasts up to 490 hours on standby, but 24 hours is what they would expect
it's actually ridiculous how deceitful these companies are, we deserve better than this
it's not right that they lie right to our faces to what we are getting and how we have no rights
just not right.
I think we need a bit of a reality check here. I'm not especially inclined to defend HTC but they have a point about the stuff that may be running on the phone. Anyone who has tried some new toys must have encountered one that sucks the life out of the battery for no obvious reason - scale that down and extrapolate across a raft of apps that most of us here will have on our phones and you will get a host of variations in terms of battery life...which is exactly what we do get.
Secondly, as kilrah said, that's the way battery life is measured. Instead of whining about it we should treat it as a relative indicator against other phones because that's about all it is good for. I suspect most say 'up to...' in small letters in front of their stand by and talk times anyway.
If I were to buy a car because the specs say that it does 40 miles to the gallon I'd be a mug to expect it to do that when I'm thrashing down the motorway towing a trailer with the windows and sun roof open. But I might well buy it in preference to a car that claims 30 mpg because in the long run it will probably cost me less in running costs.
You pays your money and you takes your choice...I don't personally see any significant misrepresentation in this, but there may be a little end user misunderstanding?
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No surprise here. I observed the same discrepancy on all my phones till now - Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, Siemens, Ericsson, Sony Ericsson, HTC.
Actually I use my phone a lot and I'm more than happy with its performance so far - huge and bright screen, powerful CPU... What are your expectations? 48 hours? A week?
If you think, this is something impressive, go and buy yourself a new monitor and then just measure the advertised contrast ratio - 10000:1 ? Seriously? In fact it is only 700:1. Nothing more to say.
Watch Out: Crazy Contrast Ratios
Exact. And especially on smartphones it's absolutely impossible for the manufacturer or a standards organisation to imagine how you will use your device.
If they can quote anything, it's stock configuration, open the box, put sim card in, press power on, enter your pin, put phone in standby, leave it there, note how long it lasts. That's all.
Knowing that you can do so many things on it, install so many programs that can do what they want to the phone, and that depending on usage the battery life can vary anywhere between 2 hours and 4 days it's totally impossible, by whatever means, to quote something realistic.
When you buy a WM device (or any other Lith-Ion device for that matter) you should know what to expect with regards to battery life, it's not rocket science.
Lithium-Ion batteries are poor, until battery technology is improved it's what we should have come to expect.
That's a bit simplistic, knowing that firstly there's nothing better yet, and secondly the good old phones we had that were lasting a whole week were also using the same batteries or even worse NiMH ones.
It's a combination of a lot of things.
battery life
I turned htc sense off on my phone and now the battery lasts 2-2.5 days with what i would deem reasonable use ie using the internet checking emails texting and 4 or 5 calls a day , if i turn sense back on the battery life drops to about 15 hours so i can live without sense !!! Im far more concerned about the speaker problems and pink photos than the battery )
kilrah said:
That's a bit simplistic, knowing that firstly there's nothing better yet, and secondly the good old phones we had that were lasting a whole week were also using the same batteries or even worse NiMH ones.
It's a combination of a lot of things.
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I assume you are replying to me?
After having 4 HTC devices, I didn't expect anything more from the HD2 than I got from the Wizard or my Kaiser or my Diamond, if anything it was obviously going to be poorer due to the huge screen, hardware and all the software I knew I would be using.
I think your best chance of getting their claimed hours would be by:
1. Completely charging the battery;
2. Use a bare-bone ROM with absolutely nothing installed
3. Switching off all radio signals.. (that is, put the phone in flight mode so that the phone is not transmitting like wireless, bluetooth or anything else at all...)
4. leaving the phone on standby with the screen off.
Of course, noone uses their phone like that, but HTC have used the term "up to" to protect themselves...
HTC would be stupid to change the way they rate their times since every other company is using the same method. I doubt anyone would want to buy a phone that says "Standby Up to 24hours" when every other phone has "Standby Up to 500hours" At best, the rated hours could be used as a comparison/indicator against other phones.
I'm celebrating two weeks into life with my HD2, and after suffering water damage with my HD which had no effect except to bring battery life down to 8 hours a day, I'm really pleased with my 24-28 hours of battery life.
On days I'm using it a lot, I expect 15 hours. However the other day I barely touched the phone (no calls, no music, no random turning on the screen) and I was on 65% after 24 hours, which I felt was good.
I agree with the OP, their quotes are a joke, but I don't look at specs, I look at reviewers to tell me "I expect a day's life from this phone" etc. when I choose a phone. With a screen this size I don't expect miracles, but again, it does feel like a blatant lie when they suggest the phone can sit for weeks without dying, and i give manufacturers (including HTC) no credit for being economical with the truth to their customers.
My SEX1 used to last a few hours more, having a smaller screen, larger battery, and less than half the processor. They specced same timings, as I said I got a few hours more. I doubt Iphone or any other manufacturer, will spec their device like, Standby time 24hrs, talk time 4 hrs. Who would buy such a device?
Anyway I didn't expect it to last any longer. Good thing is I'm in front of my pc for long hours, no harm in letting the phone plugged in.
Isn't draining the Li-Ion actually shortens the battery life?
I'm told that letting the battery get lower than 2.3v isn't a good thing.
Let the battery get low, but not low enough for auto-shutdown
It's called Business Opportunity
All companies all over the world is like HTC.
Whenever there is a problem, they will direct you to purchase something to "solve" the problem.
HD2 problem that we are facing is poor battery performance (if you enable non-Sense). "Solution" is to buy bigger capacity battery.
Problem : screen easily crack
HTC "solution" : tampered glass screen (if HTC would advertise...)
Problem : Screen too sensitive
HTC "solution" : special screen protector (if HTC would advertise...)
Problem : this, that, this , that,
HTC "solution" : you pay, we gain profit!
That's the real world scenario....
Conclusion : HTC = poor quality product(s) at expensive price.
rickyoon.vegas said:
I'm told that letting the battery get lower than 2.3v isn't a good thing.
Let the battery get low, but not low enough for auto-shutdown
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Auto forced shutdown is at 3.6V, which has a lot of margin not to cause damage.
HD2 problem that we are facing is poor battery performance (if you enable non-Sense). "Solution" is to buy bigger capacity battery.
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Sensible solution: if you want battery life of more than 1-2 days, do not get a smartphone, especially not one that has the fastest processor on the market and a 4.3" screen. And read reviews that will tell you "you'll get 1-2 days" and "it lasts just a bit more than an iphone". I.e. Educate yourself.
Problem : screen easily crack
HTC "solution" : tampered glass screen (if HTC would advertise...)
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Sensible solution: Realise you have a large piece of GLASS in front of you, and take care of it as such. Don't drop it, don't sit on it,...
We know how the HD2 behaves. If you read a couple of reviews, you know too. If you now buy it and still complain, there's not much we, or HTC, can do for you.
Hi,
i read somewhere (French source) that HTC was going to release a larger capacity (rumoured 1450mAH) battery in the next 2 month for the DHD. Can anyone confirm this ?
German HTC have refused to comment on it.
That would be amazing!
Ain't gonna happen, thats my guess.
HTC don't win anything with this and i don't think its even possible because of the fixed alu. housing. They can't make it bigger.
New phones arrive soon, so they not gonna put effort in making a bigger battery.
My 2 cents.
Post a link with that info.
i hope they do come out with that. it should be 1500 mah in the first place
I emailed HTC about a month ago, Nada. But they said they're investigating the battery life
I saw some batteries on Ebay, but I think they are cheap batteries, it can be dangerous...
don't trust the third party batteries, they don't perform well.
mjehan said:
Hi,
i read somewhere (French source) that HTC was going to release a larger capacity (rumoured 1450mAH) battery in the next 2 month for the DHD. Can anyone confirm this ?
German HTC have refused to comment on it.
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I really doubt it. Also, 1450mAh would only be an increase of 18% of capacity. Of course any increase would be nice, but current battery tech coupled with the alu housing just doesn't allow for much higher capacity batteries than stock for the DHD.
Wekko306 said:
I really doubt it. Also, 1450mAh would only be an increase of 18% of capacity. Of course any increase would be nice, but current battery tech coupled with the alu housing just doesn't allow for much higher capacity batteries than stock for the DHD.
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I can confirm a new "Replacement Battery for Desire HD" is available, the very same size to fit in the unibody, and it is 1600mAh, you read well. I ordered one about 10 days ago, they tried to deliver it today, but I wasn't home, so I have to go to the Post Office tomorrow.
You can order it from HTCPedia:
http://shop.htcpedia.com/inspire-4g-desire-hd-extended-battery-1600mah.html
But I found it cheaper, here:
http://www.htcrepairparts.com/standard-battery-for-htc-desire-hd1600mah-p-3411.html?language=en
I'll report back about it towards the end of the week.
This is not an htc brand. There is a thread discussing screen issues that was caused by a similar battery expanding after several charges and pressing against the screen. Personally I would stay clear of non branded battery - its not worth the risk.
Htcpedia is not related to htc.
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Howling Wolf said:
I can confirm a new "Replacement Battery for Desire HD" is available, the very same size to fit in the unibody, and it is 1600mAh, you read well. I ordered one about 10 days ago, they tried to deliver it today, but I wasn't home, so I have to go to the Post Office tomorrow.
You can order it from HTCPedia:
http://shop.htcpedia.com/inspire-4g-desire-hd-extended-battery-1600mah.html
But I found it cheaper, here:
http://www.htcrepairparts.com/standard-battery-for-htc-desire-hd1600mah-p-3411.html?language=en
I'll report back about it towards the end of the week.
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These aren't official HTC batteries and if they are similar to the ones being discussed, endlessly, in the accessories section are inferior to the stock HTC batteries and unlikely to offer any gain in battery life, but please report back but give the batteries at least 7-10 days of normal use before offering any realistic feedback.
Well, you managed to scare me... I thought HTCPedia was serious enough not to sell or advertise garbage.
It cost me less than 20€ (about 28 USD). I'll give it a try around 7-10 days right, but will most probably remove it if I encounter screen issues.
Yep picture looks exactly like the one I got from a UK supplier and has swollen enough to press against the inside of the phone
Did it last longer. Ermm yes and probably about 30% longer but over the two months I have had it performance has dropped below that of the original so personally I have been unsuccessful and will be sticking with the original HTC one
Id buy this but the battery life isnt as bad as it used to be. Its probably got something to do with HTC shipping their batteries uncalibrated or maybe Im just getting used to owning a smartphone
Isn't there a new nano technology available that can store more mAh? Maybe thats what there aiming for? They will profit from it because many would buy an Official battery with mor mAh..
Just do some tweak and it will save ur battery life longer..bigger capacity just giving it more juicer but that is not far different from original. I think just flash to new recommended ROM + Radio to get the best result
Battery lasts nearly 2 days for me with moderate use on standard HTC battery.
You just got to get the phone set up right or go the custom rom route to get even better battery life.
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Isn't there a new nano technology available that can store more mAh? Maybe thats what there aiming for? They will profit from it because many would buy an Official battery with mor mAh..
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Net yet.. Battery Technology has hit a brick wall at the moment and basically what you have now is the best out there...
However there are some clever stuff happening. There is one which I particularly from last year
http://www.greenmuze.com/climate/energy/2761-mit-nanotube-batteries-.html
However we are still at least 5 years away from this entering the market in my opinion...
Just try and buy an extra battery if you really need more juice
I've been seeing a LOT of posts to the effect of "all Vibrants vary", etc... I'm not talking about Vibrant 3G vs 4G or Bell Vibrant, we all know those differences.
What I'm referring to is how phones that are supposed to be identical act and perform vastly different. This leads frequently to claims of "LIAR" and flames, etc. I for one admit I find myself unable to believe for a second anyone that claims to get more than 10 hours of battery life on a GOOD day with a Gingerbread ROM, but people have posted screenshots of 16-25 hours with supposedly stock batteries.
The things I've noticed that are "different" about everyone's phones:
1) Some wipe the SD Card frequently on updating. Others never do.
2) Some came with no hardware access to download mode, some had it.
3) Some have awesome GPS, others have terrible GPS, which leads to #4
4) GPS fixes that improve one phone actually make the next phone WORSE. This is illogical unless there are actual differences in the GPS Radio...
5) Some get decent battery life on Gingerbread, while others are completely unusable, starting to visibly drain the moment you pull them off the charger. And this has no relation to battery life on Froyo, eliminating possible actual battery or user differences.
I did not include overclocking ability, because that's normal with the tight tolerances on CPU production runs. This other stuff, it's just not normal if everything internally is the same.
It just seems too much to be quality tolerances. As I said, people are coming to blows over some of this stuff. When I see someone claim they get good battery life on Gingerbread, and that all it takes is calibrating your battery, I want to bludgeon them over the head with my phone that drains 65% of its battery just sitting there idle for 8 hours, or 40% drain if I'm using my extended battery... when with Froyo, I get 1 or 2% drain in the same time period. But certainly people are getting "decent" battery life.
Even more strangely, it seems like when the phone was manufactured doesn't seem to matter. But the differences, especially in claimed battery life on Gingerbread, and the tendency to have GPS fixes work on one phone and actually 100% fail on the next, makes me wonder if there isn't some issue that hasn't been identified. Are there perhaps 2 different parts suppliers for some component in the phone, that perhaps Samsung is aware of and has written around, or compromised to, which would explain mediocre stock GPS performance, or what is going on?
Are there other differences people have noticed? I'm wondering that if maybe we can somehow identify the actual differences or some pattern, maybe it will clue in the more experienced developers as to what it will take to fix these issues. Currently though, as each developer typically only has 1 or 2 phones, their own, to test on, they can't easily test on both the "good" and the "bad" vibrants.
For example, if you've swapped a Vibrant on warranty, have you gotten one back before that had markedly different characteristics? Notably faster or more laggy than before, drastically different battery life, etc?
What do y'all think?
I have switched out 3 vibrants and this last one is a bit faster but the gps seams more lagging than my last one also I have noticed screen color and brightness differences as well which in part could be responciple for the battery drain. You would think a company such as samsung would have there stuff together.
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Well mine is odd i can say that. My stock gps never worked. Once i rooted and started using sgps fix i had no issues. I get great battery life on gingerbread (24hours plus on moderate use) but cannot get a gps lock no matter the fix. I cannot run cm7 either it will drain an entire battery in 3 hours if i do. I can run a stable overclock on gb or froyo at 1.6+all day long with no issues.
My wifes vibrant is about the exact opposite of mine i can run the same roms and kernels but hers will not handle overclock or compare similar in quadrant or running 3d games. So yeah its not just you there is something oddly different in these so called same devices.
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I get 22+ hours on every rom I have ever tried and I have tried almost all of them. My gps has also worked well on every rom including gingerbread. I'm using trigger right now and it easily gives me 20 plus hours with screen on over 4 hours...not that battery matters much. Every one should have an extra battery even if it's a cheapy one and there arter ton of those around.
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You also have to take into account that the parts of the phone can be slightly or vastly different.
Just from a manufacturing stand point in general I can say with utmost certainty that no matter what steps are taken to ensure identical parts across a line of anything there will always be differences. The time my circuit board went through quality control may have been the end of a shift and the person may have cared about their job a lot. The line stops next shift comes on and a slacker who just got dumped by his girl checks the very next board that may not quite meet spec. This is just one example.
My other example is that of processor chips. As far as computers go, and I'm sure its the same here, the chips are made from a large wafer. Toward the center is higher quality and the edges are lower quality. All these chips meet the minimum requirements but the ones from the center could probably be meet the minimum requirements of the next level chips.
This doesn't even take into account all the outside factors after manufacturing. Yours goes to Tulsa with Mr. UPS and mine comes to Florida with some temp Meth head that managed to fake his way into a job and decides that since its the basketball playoffs he wants to be Lebron with my package.
I hope some of that makes sense. You and I can take the exact same steps to wipe and flash but because of the far too many factors that can make our phones different we may or may not get the same results. All we can do is try to get everything to an optimal place that it works across the majority of phones.
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i think it also depends on when and where u bought your phone from can effect your device, for example on froyo i had good battery life 15 hours with moderate use and great gps, but with gingerbread i get about 18-19 hours on moderate with cm7, my gps barley works and any gps fix has no effect on it, my phone can handle slight UV but anything under -100 it gets unstable but i can clock up to 1.7ghz stable i tried 1.8 but that made it crash, so i guess its also based on luck
I had great results with the s.gps.2.zip file flashed on top of Bionix 1.3.1 on BOTH of my Vibrants (mfg. on 10/10 and 1/11). I've been lucky that they both mirror each other in anything I do to them.
Now you gotta take in consideration that you can't go by what everyone claims here regarding their battery life. I'm not calling everyone liars but there are some that you just gotta throw the bull**** flag on them. I seen post claiming that they got 50 hours of battery life (maybe on standby) but I don't see that happening with "regular" use.
Now wtf would you consider "regular" or "moderate" use? Nobody knows cuz every one's use would be different.That's why I feel you can't go by that claim. I can't tell you how many hours I get on a full charge because I can't clone what I do with my phone everyday to give you a number. There are weekdays I have 70% from 5am-4pm and others I'm changing my battery at 4pm cuz I'm on red. I know for sure though that its a hell lot better that when I was on stock.
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I get 22+ hours on every rom I have ever tried and I have tried almost all of them. My gps has also worked well on every rom including gingerbread. I'm using trigger right now and it easily gives me 20 plus hours with screen on over 4 hours...not that battery matters much. Every one should have an extra battery even if it's a cheapy one and there arter ton of those around.
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If I was able to get 22+ hours on JVP/Q/R GB *or* CM7 I'd be there in a heartbeat. Unfortunately although I can easily get 30 hours on Froyo with my light usage and the STOCK battery (we won't even talk about my Momax), I am lucky to get 10 hours on any GB...
The thing is, these differences are not "minor", they're HUGE differences that people are experiencing. When I say I'm lucky to get 10 hours on GB, I'm saying I can put my phone onto 2G mode only, lay it on the nightstand, and wake up 8 hours later to find 50% of the battery drained - without having done ANYTHING. And then do the same with Froyo and only drain a couple of % - with the same installed apps.
On the CM7 threads and the JVP/Q/R threads it's typically "Well you won't get as good as FROYO but it's acceptable", and that's just not the case with a good portion of users.
I don't blame the developers, of course... what I'm saying is there's SOMETHING, given all these differences, not just battery drain, that is different about these phones that hasn't been discovered. It's enough to make me want to exchange my phone before the warranty is up in September "just to see" if a different phone would be better.
I think mine is the most "common variation" of the Vibrant
- Received the contract through an authorized reseller first week of October
- Not hardware locked
- Never had mysterious sd wipe issues
- GPS worked (locked anywhere from 2 minutes to 5 seconds depending on settings) but will suffer occasionally from horrible, horrible drifting issues (too afraid to perform hardware fix). Interesting to note, s.gps.zip worked wonders but s.gps.2.zip (or whatever it was called) completely broke my gps.
- Never bothered to test if I could overclock or not, but my phone has had the freeze of death when underclocking to 100 or 200 mhz.
- Everything else worked as it should: odin (never had a failed flash), voodoo (never had the not enough space error), etc. etc..
regarding battery life
- pretty standard, custom rom or not, I was able to go through the day with 1 charge (eclair and froyo). Best was Axura 2.x with JK2 modem (around 26 hours I believe).
- GB. It hasnt been as nice as froyo but I believe the devs have done their best without a Vibrant-specific leak. It could last a day, but thats being very generous with screen on time and usage. I believe the GB roms will be on par with froyo if we recieved a leak of our own..
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Just want to inform those who are frustrated just like me about the battery draining problem with the limited hd2 stock battery. On average and moderate use with most roms it will die between 5 to 6 hours or even earlier no matter what setting you have. If you use the extended battery it will double up you battery power. However most extended batteries are ugly fat and requires a custom battery cover for which you have to sacrifice the many/all phone cases you would like to have on to protect you phone.
I have found this THIN and EXTENDED battery at ebay:
New 2300mAh High Capacity Battery For HTC HD2 T8585 LEO
Item number: 260840063860
I want to confirm that after several and full charging, it lasts me about 12-15 hours, and I am not kidding. You don't need to sacrifice your case or don't need an ugly fat battery cover since it is the same size of the original battery. Please note that there are few 2300 mah extended and thin battery of HD2 available on ebay. I tried couple of those and they both last well over 12 hours. If any of you are interested, you may want to consider. Hope this solves your battery drainage. It solved mine. Good Luck
smells very, very fishy
I don't know of ANY batteries that will pack 2300mAh in standard size battery.
Also check: http://batteryboss.org/ for any more info regarding 'false' capacity claims
Btw. read carefully in auction "capacity UP TO 2300mAh" lol, might be 1200 as well
12hrs is about what you get on a standard cell.
6hrs is what you get on a ****e rom/kernal or with a cheap china battery swollen like a rotton mellon.
2300mAh in a standard size battery is impossible using current Lithuim Ion technology.
Total bull**** & that linked battery will be 1100 maybe 1200 at best.
I have dealt with factories in China making this junk & as an engineer can 100% claim 2300mAh in standard size cell on Li Ion is not possible ...
With only 5 posts we have to be sceptical you are not selling your own cheap Chinese imitations?
In the past I have tested plenty of these cheap batteries on eBay. All of them are junk. You must be a very lucky person to find one that actually lasts longer... lol
Look at it this way do you really think cheap Chinese companies on the backstreet corner has the same resources as the mega corporations who would love nothing more than make their phones thinner/smaller and have better battery life?
Common sense.
ez2remember said:
With only 5 posts we have to be sceptical you are not selling your own cheap Chinese imitations?
In the past I have tested plenty of these cheap batteries on eBay. All of them are junk. You must be a very lucky person to find one that actually lasts longer... lol
Look at it this way do you really think cheap Chinese companies on the backstreet corner has the same resources as the mega corporations who would love nothing more than make their phones thinner/smaller and have better battery life?
Common sense.
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Not only that, but technology used is already at limit(max power at certain density)
Take into consideration that Motorola atrix 4g has 1930 mAh and it is thin. So it is not impossible! I am not an engineer for that matter but the battery I got certainly doubled up the power...as I write my last charge was at 8:30am...now it is 6pm..I have 50% left after one hour of music, half an hour of navigation, few short phone calls, an hour of web browsing...checking facebook few times, few test messaging....two hours underground without service when the phone really drains out battery like diarrhea looking for service....my original battery would be dead by 3pm the latest....I have 50% left!!! And as I was saying Atrix has a thin battery so it is not impossible!!! OR I must have pure luck
AND another thing, I am not a seller!!!!!!
ez2remember said:
With only 5 posts we have to be sceptical you are not selling your own cheap Chinese imitations?
In the past I have tested plenty of these cheap batteries on eBay. All of them are junk. You must be a very lucky person to find one that actually lasts longer... lol
Look at it this way do you really think cheap Chinese companies on the backstreet corner has the same resources as the mega corporations who would love nothing more than make their phones thinner/smaller and have better battery life?
Common sense.
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BTW what you call the resource of those companies...most of them are actually in China
ez2remember said:
With only 5 posts we have to be sceptical you are not selling your own cheap Chinese imitations?
In the past I have tested plenty of these cheap batteries on eBay. All of them are junk. You must be a very lucky person to find one that actually lasts longer... lol
Look at it this way do you really think cheap Chinese companies on the backstreet corner has the same resources as the mega corporations who would love nothing more than make their phones thinner/smaller and have better battery life?
Common sense.
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I am not a seller by any means.....just trying to help and thats all. I have owned three HD2 and still do... I have tested all most every single rom here and tried many different batteries before I actually found one that last me very long time than the original battery with same cpu settings and rom. Just sharing what I found
P.S. Most of the resources of your mega corporations are actually in china...it is called outsourcing lollll....check the labels of your products buddy
Mister B said:
12hrs is about what you get on a standard cell.
6hrs is what you get on a ****e rom/kernal or with a cheap china battery swollen like a rotton mellon.
2300mAh in a standard size battery is impossible using current Lithuim Ion technology.
Total bull**** & that linked battery will be 1100 maybe 1200 at best.
I have dealt with factories in China making this junk & as an engineer can 100% claim 2300mAh in standard size cell on Li Ion is not possible ...
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Mister B,
Do you think there is a manufacturer out there who can actually produce a new extended battery for our HD2 using new technology (like Huawei Honor's 1900+mah)? If only there is a DIY battery...
I am not an engineer and if you really are then I can tell you this... there is nothing impossible in tech world...and there is no limit. Many of the technology, hardware and software you see today, someone in the past thought are impossible. Making things possible is what we call science. I am not totally discounting the limit. But making an extended and effective thin battery is not impossible when everything getting thinner and lighter day by day...just like making a pocket size cell or smartphone in the era of brick-sized and shaped cell phone was considered impossible. Science and technology do not take things for granted...
I get 24 hours from my battery, with 3g on and bluetooth on, 1 hour of calls, some texts,2 hours of 3g browsing (lots of them reading xda), reading documents and a lot of emails..
So I think you had a bad battery and or you have wrong settings or you havea very intense and heavy usage..
With a cheap Chinese extended battery from ebay for 10 € I can easily get 48 hours..
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NYSEAN1 said:
Just want to inform those who are frustrated just like me about the battery draining problem with the limited hd2 stock battery. On average and moderate use with most roms it will die between 5 to 6 hours or even earlier no matter what setting you have. If you use the extended battery it will double up you battery power. However most extended batteries are ugly fat and requires a custom battery cover for which you have to sacrifice the many/all phone cases you would like to have on to protect you phone.
I have found this THIN and EXTENDED battery at ebay:
New 2300mAh High Capacity Battery For HTC HD2 T8585 LEO
Item number: 260840063860
I want to confirm that after several and full charging, it lasts me about 12-15 hours, and I am not kidding. You don't need to sacrifice your case or don't need an ugly fat battery cover since it is the same size of the original battery. Please note that there are few 2300 mah extended and thin battery of HD2 available on ebay. I tried couple of those and they both last well over 12 hours. If any of you are interested, you may want to consider. Hope this solves your battery drainage. It solved mine. Good Luck
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I own this battery. It provides very similar performance to the stock battery. In addition, it was a bit too large for my HD2; I had to trim it to fit with an Exacto knife. I have the TMOUS model. It may be a little better, but not much.
NYSEAN1 said:
I am not an engineer and if you really are then I can tell you this... there is nothing impossible in tech world...and there is no limit. Many of the technology, hardware and software you see today, someone in the past thought are impossible. Making things possible is what we call science. I am not totally discounting the limit. But making an extended and effective thin battery is not impossible when everything getting thinner and lighter day by day...just like making a pocket size cell or smartphone in the era of brick-sized and shaped cell phone was considered impossible. Science and technology do not take things for granted...
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For 10>15 bucks it is impossible.
No cell manufacturer makes a cell of 2300mAh as small as HD2 standard battery.
Latest 1800 to 1900mAh batteries are thin but overall volume is larger & cells are constructed with absolute minimal framing & wrapping.
China has some great manufacturing but it also has world leading fraudulent copying & low quality goods with misleading specifications masked as high quality items.
Cell technology for small 2000mAh+ batteries will come but it is not available yet & certainly not first on eBay ...
erlern said:
Mister B,
Do you think there is a manufacturer out there who can actually produce a new extended battery for our HD2 using new technology (like Huawei Honor's 1900+mah)? If only there is a DIY battery...
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Huawei Honor is a 3.7v Li-Polymer cell, the cell itself is quite large & test results seem power is around 1850mAh & up.
Li-polymer has lower power density than Li-ion & lower charge cyle count but it does allow very thin cell designs & minimal battery shell/wrapper & more form design options.
Li-Polymer is not new technology, Good progress is being made on improving power density of cells but it will be 2 to 5 years before you see big gain in retail products & it won't be on eBay first ;-)
it is kinda tight...mine lasts at time and half the original. Never have to worry about it dying if I don't have access to charger as I write this it has been off charger for 10 hrs and about 60% juice left. Lot of credit goes to the great Rom and kernel developers of this great site. I salute them!
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It is funny that most replies are attacking China. China's manufacturing ability is real and well tested. That is why you will barely find any small or big corporation who does not rely on China. Now don't start calling me Chinese...lollll I am neither Chinese nor a seller!!!
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NYSEAN1 said:
It is funny that most replies are attacking China. China's manufacturing ability is real and well tested. That is why you will barely find any small or big corporation who does not rely on China. Now don't start calling me Chinese...lollll I am neither Chinese nor a seller!!!
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The Chinese put out some quality material, including batteries. I think almost all of mine have been assembled there, although some will mention "Japanese cells".
Wow 24hr that's awesome. On HD2? If you don't mind which Rom?
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NYSEAN1 said:
It is funny that most replies are attacking China. China's manufacturing ability is real and well tested. That is why you will barely find any small or big corporation who does not rely on China. Now don't start calling me Chinese...lollll I am neither Chinese nor a seller!!!
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US Brentronics buy cells from China for military use, unfortunately copy products & cheap tat for quick profit has damaged Chinas product reputation as a whole ...
The 2 largest cell suppliers are Japan & Korea but all the low cost Chinese batteries use Chinese made cells some of which are ok & some not as QC is low & production material grades vary drastically.China has amazing manufacturing abilities but also some amazing waste of human resources & materials to produce pollution & junk products with a life-span of maybe a week !
When buying from China do some product research first ...
NYSEAN1 said:
Take into consideration that Motorola atrix 4g has 1930 mAh and it is thin. So it is not impossible! I am not an engineer for that matter but the battery I got certainly doubled up the power...as I write my last charge was at 8:30am...now it is 6pm..I have 50% left after one hour of music, half an hour of navigation, few short phone calls, an hour of web browsing...checking facebook few times, few test messaging....two hours underground without service when the phone really drains out battery like diarrhea looking for service....my original battery would be dead by 3pm the latest....I have 50% left!!! And as I was saying Atrix has a thin battery so it is not impossible!!! OR I must have pure luck
AND another thing, I am not a seller!!!!!!
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I have a almost 2 year old T-mobile HD2 and I can tell you that my standard battery will easily last me 12 hours when I use my phone to listen to MP3 or FM radio. Normal use for me will easily net 2 days with standard outlook settings, yahoo settings, and a few phone calls along with text mesages.
1 standard battery will give me about 4 hours of video before it croaks... and that is with bitrates upto and including 2mbps.....
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NYSEAN1 said:
It is funny that most replies are attacking China. China's manufacturing ability is real and well tested. That is why you will barely find any small or big corporation who does not rely on China. Now don't start calling me Chinese...lollll I am neither Chinese nor a seller!!!
Sent from my HTC Sensation XL with Beats Audio X315e using xda premium
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The problem is not with the Chinese ability to manufacture quality items, it is with their preferred route of as cheap as possible with no to little quality. They have chosen to be the kings of disposable merchandise.....
My HD2 was made in China and that phone has been nothing short of spectacular......