I've been seeing a LOT of posts to the effect of "all Vibrants vary", etc... I'm not talking about Vibrant 3G vs 4G or Bell Vibrant, we all know those differences.
What I'm referring to is how phones that are supposed to be identical act and perform vastly different. This leads frequently to claims of "LIAR" and flames, etc. I for one admit I find myself unable to believe for a second anyone that claims to get more than 10 hours of battery life on a GOOD day with a Gingerbread ROM, but people have posted screenshots of 16-25 hours with supposedly stock batteries.
The things I've noticed that are "different" about everyone's phones:
1) Some wipe the SD Card frequently on updating. Others never do.
2) Some came with no hardware access to download mode, some had it.
3) Some have awesome GPS, others have terrible GPS, which leads to #4
4) GPS fixes that improve one phone actually make the next phone WORSE. This is illogical unless there are actual differences in the GPS Radio...
5) Some get decent battery life on Gingerbread, while others are completely unusable, starting to visibly drain the moment you pull them off the charger. And this has no relation to battery life on Froyo, eliminating possible actual battery or user differences.
I did not include overclocking ability, because that's normal with the tight tolerances on CPU production runs. This other stuff, it's just not normal if everything internally is the same.
It just seems too much to be quality tolerances. As I said, people are coming to blows over some of this stuff. When I see someone claim they get good battery life on Gingerbread, and that all it takes is calibrating your battery, I want to bludgeon them over the head with my phone that drains 65% of its battery just sitting there idle for 8 hours, or 40% drain if I'm using my extended battery... when with Froyo, I get 1 or 2% drain in the same time period. But certainly people are getting "decent" battery life.
Even more strangely, it seems like when the phone was manufactured doesn't seem to matter. But the differences, especially in claimed battery life on Gingerbread, and the tendency to have GPS fixes work on one phone and actually 100% fail on the next, makes me wonder if there isn't some issue that hasn't been identified. Are there perhaps 2 different parts suppliers for some component in the phone, that perhaps Samsung is aware of and has written around, or compromised to, which would explain mediocre stock GPS performance, or what is going on?
Are there other differences people have noticed? I'm wondering that if maybe we can somehow identify the actual differences or some pattern, maybe it will clue in the more experienced developers as to what it will take to fix these issues. Currently though, as each developer typically only has 1 or 2 phones, their own, to test on, they can't easily test on both the "good" and the "bad" vibrants.
For example, if you've swapped a Vibrant on warranty, have you gotten one back before that had markedly different characteristics? Notably faster or more laggy than before, drastically different battery life, etc?
What do y'all think?
I have switched out 3 vibrants and this last one is a bit faster but the gps seams more lagging than my last one also I have noticed screen color and brightness differences as well which in part could be responciple for the battery drain. You would think a company such as samsung would have there stuff together.
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Well mine is odd i can say that. My stock gps never worked. Once i rooted and started using sgps fix i had no issues. I get great battery life on gingerbread (24hours plus on moderate use) but cannot get a gps lock no matter the fix. I cannot run cm7 either it will drain an entire battery in 3 hours if i do. I can run a stable overclock on gb or froyo at 1.6+all day long with no issues.
My wifes vibrant is about the exact opposite of mine i can run the same roms and kernels but hers will not handle overclock or compare similar in quadrant or running 3d games. So yeah its not just you there is something oddly different in these so called same devices.
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I get 22+ hours on every rom I have ever tried and I have tried almost all of them. My gps has also worked well on every rom including gingerbread. I'm using trigger right now and it easily gives me 20 plus hours with screen on over 4 hours...not that battery matters much. Every one should have an extra battery even if it's a cheapy one and there arter ton of those around.
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You also have to take into account that the parts of the phone can be slightly or vastly different.
Just from a manufacturing stand point in general I can say with utmost certainty that no matter what steps are taken to ensure identical parts across a line of anything there will always be differences. The time my circuit board went through quality control may have been the end of a shift and the person may have cared about their job a lot. The line stops next shift comes on and a slacker who just got dumped by his girl checks the very next board that may not quite meet spec. This is just one example.
My other example is that of processor chips. As far as computers go, and I'm sure its the same here, the chips are made from a large wafer. Toward the center is higher quality and the edges are lower quality. All these chips meet the minimum requirements but the ones from the center could probably be meet the minimum requirements of the next level chips.
This doesn't even take into account all the outside factors after manufacturing. Yours goes to Tulsa with Mr. UPS and mine comes to Florida with some temp Meth head that managed to fake his way into a job and decides that since its the basketball playoffs he wants to be Lebron with my package.
I hope some of that makes sense. You and I can take the exact same steps to wipe and flash but because of the far too many factors that can make our phones different we may or may not get the same results. All we can do is try to get everything to an optimal place that it works across the majority of phones.
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i think it also depends on when and where u bought your phone from can effect your device, for example on froyo i had good battery life 15 hours with moderate use and great gps, but with gingerbread i get about 18-19 hours on moderate with cm7, my gps barley works and any gps fix has no effect on it, my phone can handle slight UV but anything under -100 it gets unstable but i can clock up to 1.7ghz stable i tried 1.8 but that made it crash, so i guess its also based on luck
I had great results with the s.gps.2.zip file flashed on top of Bionix 1.3.1 on BOTH of my Vibrants (mfg. on 10/10 and 1/11). I've been lucky that they both mirror each other in anything I do to them.
Now you gotta take in consideration that you can't go by what everyone claims here regarding their battery life. I'm not calling everyone liars but there are some that you just gotta throw the bull**** flag on them. I seen post claiming that they got 50 hours of battery life (maybe on standby) but I don't see that happening with "regular" use.
Now wtf would you consider "regular" or "moderate" use? Nobody knows cuz every one's use would be different.That's why I feel you can't go by that claim. I can't tell you how many hours I get on a full charge because I can't clone what I do with my phone everyday to give you a number. There are weekdays I have 70% from 5am-4pm and others I'm changing my battery at 4pm cuz I'm on red. I know for sure though that its a hell lot better that when I was on stock.
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I get 22+ hours on every rom I have ever tried and I have tried almost all of them. My gps has also worked well on every rom including gingerbread. I'm using trigger right now and it easily gives me 20 plus hours with screen on over 4 hours...not that battery matters much. Every one should have an extra battery even if it's a cheapy one and there arter ton of those around.
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If I was able to get 22+ hours on JVP/Q/R GB *or* CM7 I'd be there in a heartbeat. Unfortunately although I can easily get 30 hours on Froyo with my light usage and the STOCK battery (we won't even talk about my Momax), I am lucky to get 10 hours on any GB...
The thing is, these differences are not "minor", they're HUGE differences that people are experiencing. When I say I'm lucky to get 10 hours on GB, I'm saying I can put my phone onto 2G mode only, lay it on the nightstand, and wake up 8 hours later to find 50% of the battery drained - without having done ANYTHING. And then do the same with Froyo and only drain a couple of % - with the same installed apps.
On the CM7 threads and the JVP/Q/R threads it's typically "Well you won't get as good as FROYO but it's acceptable", and that's just not the case with a good portion of users.
I don't blame the developers, of course... what I'm saying is there's SOMETHING, given all these differences, not just battery drain, that is different about these phones that hasn't been discovered. It's enough to make me want to exchange my phone before the warranty is up in September "just to see" if a different phone would be better.
I think mine is the most "common variation" of the Vibrant
- Received the contract through an authorized reseller first week of October
- Not hardware locked
- Never had mysterious sd wipe issues
- GPS worked (locked anywhere from 2 minutes to 5 seconds depending on settings) but will suffer occasionally from horrible, horrible drifting issues (too afraid to perform hardware fix). Interesting to note, s.gps.zip worked wonders but s.gps.2.zip (or whatever it was called) completely broke my gps.
- Never bothered to test if I could overclock or not, but my phone has had the freeze of death when underclocking to 100 or 200 mhz.
- Everything else worked as it should: odin (never had a failed flash), voodoo (never had the not enough space error), etc. etc..
regarding battery life
- pretty standard, custom rom or not, I was able to go through the day with 1 charge (eclair and froyo). Best was Axura 2.x with JK2 modem (around 26 hours I believe).
- GB. It hasnt been as nice as froyo but I believe the devs have done their best without a Vibrant-specific leak. It could last a day, but thats being very generous with screen on time and usage. I believe the GB roms will be on par with froyo if we recieved a leak of our own..
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First off, this might be a topic for the general forum, but since is pertains directly to development, i thought i would put it here... Mods.. please move if you feel this is inappropriate.
There seems to be some HUGE differences with Ava v10 and battery life and i wanted to try and narrow down what the differences are to see what is up!
What i am curious about and would like you to post is the following:
Hardware Version
Screen
Kernel you are using
battery life / Usage
If we are seeing a pattern here then we should be able to determine the problem and hopefully yield some good data for devs to use. If it is still very random.. then its got to be an app that is causing the issues.
I will start
Hardware 003
Epson
Stock Kernel
8 - 9 hours MAX on moderate - use (lots of texting, some calls, and a little web browsing) Was getting WAY better on v9 before 3.30 update (v9a)
It is apparent the 3.30.2/3 has drastically ****ed battery life. There has been way too many posts about it to ignore it now.
It isn't HTC kernel 17 related like someone said earlier either. It goes deeper than that because I never run HTC kernels, not even for 5 minutes after installing a rom and I notice it very much. It appears that the current during idle isn't affected. And it isn't a rogue program PR anything keeping the CPU from idling. I dunno what it is. But it really is very noticeable.
I wish more dev's would realize it and make updated 3.29s with some of the new stuff built-in like the pnotification pulldown switch thing, and stuff like that.
Thanks azrael so far for not ignoring the situation. Lol. I'm sure HTC will put out a version 3.40.00 or whatever that has ackrite for all hardware versions. And then it will be easier on the devs
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It is apparent the 3.30.2/3 has drastically ****ed battery life. There has been way too many posts about it to ignore it now.
It isn't HTC kernel 17 related like someone said earlier either. It goes deeper than that because I never run HTC kernels, not even for 5 minutes after installing a rom and I notice it very much. It appears that the current during idle isn't affected. And it isn't a rogue program PR anything keeping the CPU from idling. I dunno what it is. But it really is very noticeable.
I wish more dev's would realize it and make updated 3.29s with some of the new stuff built-in like the pnotification pulldown switch thing, and stuff like that.
Thanks azrael so far for not ignoring the situation. Lol. I'm sure HTC will put out a version 3.40.00 or whatever that has ackrite for all hardware versions. And then it will be easier on the devs
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It seems only hardware version 0004 is mostly unaffected by the new frame software and I know the only difference is camera hardware but that may be it
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Hardware: 003
Screen: not sure how to tell I am a newbie
stock kernel that comes with AVA V10
Right now I am home and not on the road working so my useage is lighter but I did go to bed last night with >50% life remaining and the phone had been off charger >15 hours
4-5 calls none were more than 5 min long
a little texting, couple emails (with polling every 30 min from 8-8), FB and Twitter updating at a regular interval (about every 30 min)
Bluetooth on for around 2 hrs, wifi on most of the day as I was at home using my home network so it was connected and not scanning.
Went to mall for about an hour and that has notoriously bad Sprint signal inside most places.
I ran the following:
hardware 002
Novatek screen
kernel: HTC 10, HTC 11, HTC 17, Kings #10 & #11 (both variants), Netarchy 4.1.9.1 & 4.2.1 beta (havs, no havs, bfs, cfs, smartass)
Some web browsing, facebook, texts, maybe 10-20 min of calls per day if that.
I'd get MAX 6-8 hours from fully charged to completely dead.
Went back to MIUI 11.19 and am consistently getting 15+ hours with moderate to heavy use.
If I try and run any ROM with the 3.30 file system, my battery totally sucks no matter which kernel I use.
Evo hardware version: 003
Screen Type: unknown (don't know how to tell)
3.30-ROMs tested: Ava V10, EViO 2
Kernels: various, in text
When I first switched to the first 3.30-based ROM, I noticed a big reduction in battery life. I tried another and ran into the same thing.
After one day on Ava V10, on a recommendation I tried the EViO 2 v1.6, along with the "netarchy-toastmod-4.2.1-bfs-bfq-nohavs-smartass-universal (No HAVS)" kernel, and with extremely light usage (1 short call, and few texts) after 19-hours I was showing an 89% charge. With this kernel the phone slept very well. The problem was that with that same kernel, even moderate usage sucked the battery very quickly.
So, based on things that I read I switched to the "netarchy-toastmod-4.2.1-bfs-bfq-havs-more-smartass-universal (More Aggressive Undervolting)". Using this combo, sitting on my desk with zero usage for 11-hours it was displaying 89% charge, so sleeping did not appear to be as efficient. However through the day, normal usage (moderate) seemed to provide a bit more time per charge. It did not appear to be a drastic difference.
On another recommendation, I then tried the netarchy-toastmod-4.1.9.1-cfs-NoHAVS-universal kernel. Overnight, no usage, after 9-hours I was again at 89% charge. Normal usage netted slightly worse time than the netarchy-toastmod-4.2.1-bfs-bfq-nohavs-smartass-universal (No HAVS) kernel provided.
Behavioral observation: The 4.2.1 No HAVS kernel produced slightly higher Quadrant scores than the 4.1.9.1 kernel did, but overall in normal operation, the phone was more sluggish and draggy on the 4.2.1 kernel, while being snappier and feeling faster overall using the 4.1.9.1 kernel.
Also, please note that the best battery time I ever got on any 3.30-based ROM pales in comparison to my experience earlier in the year with DC3.5 and an older Toastmod DC-compatible kernel. Once, after almost 21-hours off the charger, light usage throughout the night and at the very end of a 3+ hour phone call, I got the charge warning that I was at 15%. I don't know why I changed.
At this point I made an inquiry through a friend and was told that the difference between the 3.29-build and the 3.30-build was that the 3.30-build has a few small changes made to support hardware changes on version 004 Evo's only. I was also told that 3.30-build ROMs were not going to run well on 001-003 Evo's. I'm sure that is not absolute and they can be made to, but it may take some work.
Sorry for the novella, and I hope that it helps. Thank you for your time.
Hardware Version: 0003
Screen: EPSON
Kernel you are using: STOCK
battery life / Usage: MOD to HEAVY USAGE - OVER 25 HOURS on FIRST FULL CHARGE of battery!
NOTE: I also had AUTOKILLER set to STRICT during this entire time, and not to AGGRESSIVE.
Detailed post with pic showing my over 20 hour mark still in the GREEN:
HERE!!!
I'm now in the process of trying out Net-TM 4.2.1 CFS-HAVS-LESS AGG with V10.
bender1077 said:
Hardware Version: 0003
Screen: EPSON
Kernel you are using: STOCK
battery life / Usage: MOD to HEAVY USAGE - OVER 25 HOURS on FIRST FULL CHARGE of battery!
NOTE: I also had AUTOKILLER set to STRICT during this entire time, and not to AGGRESSIVE.
Detailed post with pic showing my over 20 hour mark still in the GREEN:
HERE!!!
I'm now in the process of trying out Net-TM 4.2.1 CFS-HAVS-LESS AGG with V10.
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what was your "awake" time with this? This will be the tell.
When i ran ava 10 i got like 10 hours max. Alot of the 3.30 roms sucked my battery life. Fresh 3.3 rom gave me best battery life and i upgraded to his 3.4 and my bat sucked. Now im running airbourne rc4 and i think im getting the best battery I've ever had and its 3.30 based. It does have the sense launcher removed but all other sense is still there that could be the problem.
Novatek and 003
I decided to reload v10 and only restore a few essential apps and see where i was at. i did this, and had a full charge late last night.
This was with ALL settings defaulted to what is in v10 and no setcpu. The ONLY thing that i changed was the autokiller settings to "optimum"
It has now been 14.5 hours since i unplugged it (7 was me sleeping)
and "awake time" has only been 2.5 hours
It has been a pretty light day for usage - couple phone calls, mostly texts and emails and i am at 50%
This is MUCH better, but i really have not used my phone like i normally do. And this is with only a few apps installed.
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what was your "awake" time with this? This will be the tell.
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I think was a little over 5 hours. I'll have to remember to get a pic of that next time
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I think was a little over 5 hours. I'll have to remember to get a pic of that next time
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huh.. thats pretty good! lol... hmm..
a little off topic......how do you tell who made the screen on your EVO?
skydeaner said:
It is apparent the 3.30.2/3 has drastically ****ed battery life. There has been way too many posts about it to ignore it now.
It isn't HTC kernel 17 related like someone said earlier either. It goes deeper than that because I never run HTC kernels, not even for 5 minutes after installing a rom and I notice it very much. It appears that the current during idle isn't affected. And it isn't a rogue program PR anything keeping the CPU from idling. I dunno what it is. But it really is very noticeable.
I wish more dev's would realize it and make updated 3.29s with some of the new stuff built-in like the pnotification pulldown switch thing, and stuff like that.
Thanks azrael so far for not ignoring the situation. Lol. I'm sure HTC will put out a version 3.40.00 or whatever that has ackrite for all hardware versions. And then it will be easier on the devs
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At this point I made an inquiry through a friend and was told that the difference between the 3.29-build and the 3.30-build was that the 3.30-build has a few small changes made to support hardware changes on version 004 Evo's only. I was also told that 3.30-build ROMs were not going to run well on 001-003 Evo's. I'm sure that is not absolute and they can be made to, but it may take some work.
Sorry for the novella, and I hope that it helps. Thank you for your time.
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So dont remember where I got this from (someone in another topic), but it completely confirms everything that we have been talking about...
NO 3.30 rom is made for hardware 001-003 period.. directly from sprint.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/com.../blog/2010/11/05/htc-evo-maintenance-releases
so the problem now is devs are either going to have to split their roms in to 2 branches (one for pre-004 hardware and one for 004 hardware) OR... sprint need to come out with a unified release. SO... hopefully devs will read this and make changes accordingly
I updated to the current build, using the samsung tool to update when it came out. I've never rooted, so I have always been stock.
Wiped it, and then went through their whole process to install.
My system shows im running 2.2.1, so I know I did it right.
My question is, Froyo is supposed to have improved linpack scores by up to 5x. I used to get like 8 mflops, and now I get around 13. That is by no means 5x more. Is something not working right? Are other people getting this result?
Next, my battery life is horrible, well much worse then before. While running 2.1, I used Zeam launcher, and had Advanced Task killer set to auto kill everytime I turned my screen off (with the exception of a few apps I used). I would traditionally be able to get like 16 hours of battery life, and still have like 30% battery. This is with texting and web browsing during the day. Now, with minimal texting and less use, ive been getting like 12 hours, and im at like 5% battery life. As far as I know, I have it set up just like I did before. Anyone else running into this at all?
(most of my battery is being used by my Display 89% right now, or so my phone says...)
Maybe I am completely offbase on these, but I want to know if anyone else is running into these questions. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I am fairly new to Andoroid so take it for what it is worth. I am also experiencing a drop off in battery life since Eclair (which was also no great shakes re. battery life, lasted about a day), and did the requisite things necessary to to extend battery life - screen at lowest setting, no automatic sync, wifi/BT/gps off when not in use. In my case, the hog is display (98% ) which I attribute to spending more time with the phone since Froyo update. In my previous phone, a blackberry, it took several days and a few battery pulls for the OS to completely "settle in" - I don't know if that's the case with Android OS.
Five times!
Where did you hear that? People with certain phones saw close to a 2x improvement because of JIT, but JIT isn't optimized for our phones so it doesn't do as much for us. Personally, I think a 50% improvement with only software changes is pretty impressive.
Also, don't use task killers with 2.2. FroYo has better task management than eclair did. And people who have tried using task killers to improve battery life have reported worse battery life than just sticking with the stock memory management.
And you know that since your display is using almost 90% of your battery, the problem isn't a runaway process. It is more likely that the problem is how much time the screen is on. Get spare parts and tell us what percentage of the time since last charge/boot the screen has actually been on to use so much juice.
Battery could be the TWS (time without signal) bug. Go to Settings > About phone > Battery use > Cell standby. See what your time without signal is at. If more than a couple percent then toggle Airplane mode on and off. Also make sure you update your PRL. You may have to do this every time you reboot. My understanding is that it's a common problem with 2.2 and CDMA devices (not just the Epic).
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Five times!
Where did you hear that? People with certain phones saw close to a 2x improvement because of JIT, but JIT isn't optimized for our phones so it doesn't do as much for us. Personally, I think a 50% improvement with only software changes is pretty impressive.
Also, don't use task killers with 2.2. FroYo has better task management than eclair did. And people who have tried using task killers to improve battery life have reported worse battery life than just sticking with the stock memory management.
And you know that since your display is using almost 90% of your battery, the problem isn't a runaway process. It is more likely that the problem is how much time the screen is on. Get spare parts and tell us what percentage of the time since last charge/boot the screen has actually been on to use so much juice.
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Yeah,
<http: //developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights. html>
Says 2x-5x. I seeing as i'm not even getting 2x, thats kinda a joke.
But something within the update had to have affected the screens battery use. Like I said before, I had fine battery life not 3 days ago, and now it all of a sudden drops. I HIGHLY doubt that that is a hardware issue. I can test, but I have worked with computer hardware for years, so that just doesn't make any sense to me.
Linpack does not execute any code..it does a floating point calculation..wit JIT you get up to 5x efficiency in code execution..does not mean it crunches numbers faster 5x faster..
The phones that are achieving 5x or more speed are doing so through a flaw in linpack...
Delete.
i'm very happy with the phone. the only caveat i really have (which a lot of people don't seem to have) is battery life. i get about 13-14 hours with 3-4 hours of display-on time, while others have been reporting double that.
as far as motoblur is concerned, if you just get another launcher and use Titanium Backup Pro to freeze motoblur Home and other services, then you won't even have to think about it.
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I should be receiving my Atrix for AT&T tomorrow, this will be a HUGGGGGGEEEEEE upgrade from my measly HTC Hero (Sprint CDMA) that I have modified to the ends of the Earth. I'm in need of more power and amazed at the stuff you can do with the Atrix.
My question to you all, has this phone met or surpassed your expectations? Did it fail to achieve those expectations? Tell me what you think of this phone, I have been reading so many reviews about the phone I feel like I know all technological aspects about the phone as well, haha.
How fast were you to get rid of MotoBlur?
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I think I can speak for a lot of people in saying that, as far as the Atrix goes, I am in love with the "potential" this phone has. But as far as meeting those expectations, well, that's something to be debated. There are areas where the dual core shines and other areas it seems it is not harnessing the full power. Then couple that with AT&T's network restrictions and Motorola's lockdown on the device, I'm going to have to say that I am disappointed in the Atrix as of now. That could change if there is a break through in the bootloader or if AT&T gets its act together and starts offering the "High speeds" we were promised. Only problem is though, my 30 days is almost up and I don't know if I can hold onto the phone in hopes of "potential".
Coming from a captivate I love this phone...everything works includi.g the gps. Most of motoblur is gone on my phone. The phone is amazingly fast but does have an occasional hiccup. An unlocked bootloader would turn this into the best available android phone but its one of the top
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...Only problem is though, my 30 days is almost up and I don't know if I can hold onto the phone in hopes of "potential".
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I'm in the same boat. In terms of hardware, this phone is a beast. I can even live with the screen quality and the terrible camera. But software side, I am really hoping to see a unlocked bootloader or I might be very tempted to take this phone back...
bleuiko said:
I'm in the same boat. In terms of hardware, this phone is a beast. I can even live with the screen quality and the terrible camera. But software side, I am really hoping to see a unlocked bootloader or I might be very tempted to take this phone back...
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Yeah, I'm high up on the fence because if I do return it I am going to switch carriers as well.
I'm really enjoying it... coming from a Tilt2, it's a major upgrade. Straight out of the box, it's very enjoyable... I'm not dissapointed at all.. it's only going to get better once they get this beast unleashed
Camera is quick and decent.
GPS is amazingly fast...
Browser is snappy and loads everything great
WiFi is a little weak...
and I actually like the screen.. It's not best screen ever made, but it's actually a very nice display.
I was getting terrible battery life, but somehow a hard-reset solved that problem, and i'm able to get more than a day of heavy use no problem.
Just picked up a second one for the wife (coming from an iphone 3g) and she's really enjoying it a lot as well
I like the Atrix. I upgraded from an iPhone 3G. I realize that it's not the best it can be as far as unlocking right now, but it is better than what I had. I only wish I could afford the webtop dock right now for times I'm on the road. Nothing a netbook couldn't fix though.
as far as the battery, it really has to do with what you're doing. I've seen mine go 39 hours over a weekend with normal use, or 16 hours when i'm streaming pandora constantly at work. My building for work also isn't great for signal, so the phone is constantly working for signal, which uses battery.
The other day i did ~5 hours of pandora at work, then fired up the GPS, which was on for ~1.5 hours guiding me, screen on, not plugged in. few phone calls and web use and it was almost dead after 15 hours.
This phone is miles better than the aria i had before it, and it will only get better as more things are updated to take advantage of the tegra 2 platform. Won't matter if this phone gets cracked or not, it will get better and better for a while either way.
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as far as the battery, it really has to do with what you're doing. I've seen mine go 39 hours over a weekend with normal use, or 16 hours when i'm streaming pandora constantly at work. My building for work also isn't great for signal, so the phone is constantly working for signal, which uses battery.
The other day i did ~5 hours of pandora at work, then fired up the GPS, which was on for ~1.5 hours guiding me, screen on, not plugged in. few phone calls and web use and it was almost dead after 15 hours.
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Wow... 39 hours. I get about 17 hours of use from it, which is much better than any other smartphones I've ever used so I'm happy... but I can't imagine hitting that number. I do have bluetooth and wifi on all the time.
I like my Atrix, the only problems i see is that the webtop is very limited, but some people over the developer section are working on that, and also the speeds which since T-Mobile was bought it definitely will become faster alongside with HSPA+ and LTE being utilized together. It has lots of potential to run REALLY great, but this is the first phone of its kind, it'll always have problems in the beginning.
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Wow... 39 hours. I get about 17 hours of use from it, which is much better than any other smartphones I've ever used so I'm happy... but I can't imagine hitting that number. I do have bluetooth and wifi on all the time.
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and that cuts the battery way down. powering all the radios is a large power drain. I never turn on a radio i don't need, so 90% of the time wifi, bluetooth, gps, etc are off. Mobile data is always on, and i i never try and tell it to revert to 2g.
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as far as the battery, it really has to do with what you're doing. I've seen mine go 39 hours over a weekend with normal use, or 16 hours when i'm streaming pandora constantly at work. My building for work also isn't great for signal, so the phone is constantly working for signal, which uses battery.
The other day i did ~5 hours of pandora at work, then fired up the GPS, which was on for ~1.5 hours guiding me, screen on, not plugged in. few phone calls and web use and it was almost dead after 15 hours.
This phone is miles better than the aria i had before it, and it will only get better as more things are updated to take advantage of the tegra 2 platform. Won't matter if this phone gets cracked or not, it will get better and better for a while either way.
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see... i wish i had that same kind of success.
It's always hard to determine battery life from these posts because people's definition of "moderate" and "heavy" usage differ a lot. This is why it would be nice if the phone had gingerbread where the battery plot actually shows the wake time, wifi time, signal strenth, display on, etc. so people could quote their results rather than just guestimating. The best way to tell is really just display on time since that's pretty much the biggest draw.
Based on my limited testing I can get about 4-5 hours of display on time with auto brightness. The absolute best I could squeeze out of my nexus S is almost 4 hours which is to be expected since it's 1930mah vs. 1500mah. I MIGHT do some battery drain tests before I return the Atrix but I'm not sure... those take time. I know the Nexus S can go about 7-8 hours playing a video while in airplane mode so I'm wondering what the Atrix could achieve.
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It's always hard to determine battery life from these posts because people's definition of "moderate" and "heavy" usage differ a lot. This is why it would be nice if the phone had gingerbread where the battery plot actually shows the wake time, wifi time, signal strenth, display on, etc. so people could quote their results rather than just guestimating. The best way to tell is really just display on time since that's pretty much the biggest draw.
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We do have all those indicators in the Battery manager. I average about 13-14 hours with 3-4 hours of display, unless i'm doing something like streaming March Madness via flash, then it drops to like 7 hours with 2-3 hours of display.
Love it.
Honestly out of all the phones i've had this is the main one.
Screen great looking.
Speed is unreal and I mean like lightening fast :O
The games and apps that work just look and run crazy good!
Camera imo is great not going to replace main cameras but great for stills and videos, would be nice to see the 1080p recording update out soon though
Motoblur stuff which I like :O lol can be frozen and a custom launcher introduced without you even thinking about the motoblur lag.
Battery life is very good I can get a whole day at college 8:30 until 6 heavy usage and still get home with 30-40% left which is great to me
Fingerprint reader is also a great little feature that gets yours friends a little jealous lol
Only thing I don't like is the battery door creaks, I know its nothing major but its just a little annoyance other than that the build quality is great very sleek device!
I'm really bored with my Atrix there's no developement community. You can't do **** with a locked bootloader. Even the iphone is more open than this pos. It's going back tommorrow **** motorola.
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@ Exador... Amen brother!!!!
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I'm a firm believer in the "garbage in, garbage out" philosophy. Yes this phone has one or two legitimate issues (touch screen acting up after x seconds continuous touch), but for the most part is good. How many apps do you have installed? How many do you actually use? Every month i clean out my phone of apps that haven't been used in a couple weeks. I usually see a little bump in battery life each time since less apps are itching to use the data connection or other resources.
how many widgets are you running? I don't really notice it on the Atrix, but on my aria when i had 5 home screens riddled with widgets, it was laggy and slow. Drop it down to 2 screens with a simple setup, and it was snappy.
My point is, most of the time, little issues are probably user generated. I see it all the time with computers. But it's way easier to blame the hardware and software than look for the cause of your problem. again, i'm not down playing the few legitimate issues.
next time i pull a 39hour run i'll post specifics of what i was using it for in the battery thread.
I'm very happy with mine. I don't have much of a desire to put a custom ROM on, so the locked bootloader isn't an issue. The speed of this device is just levels beyond my Nexus One. I can't remember a time so far where I've had any lag. Plus, I don't have to worry about app space the way I did with the N1.
I dunno, must just be me but I completely love this phone.
I'm going to be soon getting either the 4g FFC or the revision 2 FFC. Have not completely decided yet. ( I already have v1 of the FFC and I'm fine with how it acts... I don't often take pictures in the dark, ha.)
With the v1 FFC and bionix 1.3.1 with overstock. The phone is very responsive.. I do get a slight lag in between downloading and installing stages of getting apps, but that's far from the end of the world for me.
Besides that this phone is honestly perfect! I don't know what more I could want from a phone, haha.
I have the exact same setup you do, and the exact same experience. Aside from the GPS hiccups, this is quite possibly the best phone I've used. SAMoled is simply amazing and will keep me from switching phones when all the dual-cores come out. Plus, I know it's a small difference, but 4.3" just seems too big. My buddy has a droid x, and that thing is a monster!
I love my vibrant had it since release....
Waiting for the S2, other than that this phone has been GREAT !!
I love my phone. It really is wonderful.
samsung can eat a ____.
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This is definitely a great phone with tons of possibilities.
A solid gps and a flash for the camera
I never have gps problems, lag, or any of the usual things people complain about. I do not feel it's cheaply made, and it's a perfect size in an otterbox.
The only areas of improvement I can see are an FFC (which can be added), 4G capabilities, camera flash, and tweaking it more. A phone can never be too fast or too good on battery life.
The biggest thing that needs improving is the speed at getting updates and source from Samsung.
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I have the exact same setup you do, and the exact same experience. Aside from the GPS hiccups, this is quite possibly the best phone I've used. SAMoled is simply amazing and will keep me from switching phones when all the dual-cores come out. Plus, I know it's a small difference, but 4.3" just seems too big. My buddy has a droid x, and that thing is a monster!
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i love does big things bro but i love my vibrant
I want mine to do my chores
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A solid gps and a flash for the camera
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The GPS deal , well... that's hit or miss it seems. Mine on the other hand works perfect and has worked fine since I got it right after release.
Flash... well ya knew it didn't have flash when you went to get it, so... yeah.
I love this phone. It's tough , even though it feels light and wimpy. It's super fast, the screen is beautiful and there's so many ROMs and mods to customize it the way you like it that I'm never bored with it.
Had a galaxy s 4G, it was a disappointment but I miss the ffc!
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I just wish the GPS would lock in a little quicker and that the battery was a little better.
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I never have gps problems, lag, or any of the usual things people complain about. I do not feel it's cheaply made, and it's a perfect size in an otterbox.
The only areas of improvement I can see are an FFC (which can be added), 4G capabilities, camera flash, and tweaking it more. A phone can never be too fast or too good on battery life.
The biggest thing that needs improving is the speed at getting updates and source from Samsung.
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I never understood the cheap feeling people got from it either, and I had a hd2 that is supposed to be the best build quality in a phone, my vibrant may not be that solid, but hell, its solid....
It's plastic and yea it feels cheap. The HD2 is in another dimension. It does feel cheap, but that's nothing a Body Glove or Otterbox case can't fix trivially.
The battery and GPS is a bigger issue, though... Both of those are terrible. If I take my Vibrant off the charger and never use it, 30% of the time the phone will drain to nothing in 4 hours. I have no clue how it's doing it, why it's doing it. The battery is good (I've tried a brand new Stock Samsung OEM battery replacement) and it still happens. It has the most Volatile Battery Life I've ever experienced in a Mobile Phone, or any mobile device, ever...
A couple months ago I went to Houston for a couple days and forgot to take my Wall Charger... I ended up having to plug my phone into the Samsung HDTV in the room becasue the battery was dying all over the place. I had to stand there tethered to a television just to use my phone. Wanted to talk? Go to the TV. Check your Twitter/Email? You know where to go...
Even on the car charger, the phone would barely charge. I was basically < 50% charge 90% of the time I was there, and even had to turn my phone off for like 3-4 hours when I was getting stuff done to make sure it didn't die on me.
That is something I had never experienced using my Windows Mobile (6.5) devices or Aria, and the HD7 doesn't do this. The Blackberry Bold I tried out for a couple weeks could go 2-3 days with extremely heavy usage on one charge, and charged fast as ****... Even on a Car Charger while being used.
The GPS in the Vibrant was constantly putting me on the wrong road, or on the service road when I was on the other side of the Interstate. At intersections, the GPS would bug out and it would take it upwards of 1-2 minutes to straighten itself out.
Back to the battery. I think the cell radio is killing it. When the phone is on WiFi, it can work about 18-24 hours before it you have to turn it off, because it's not using the cell radio for anything. So, I think a lot of people who say their battery is so good are probably on WiFi most of the time, and likely don't make that many phone calls.
As far as updates are concerned, KA6 was a hail mary and I think Samsung would like to not have this phone even be mentioned in headlines, since those same articles will just remind potential buyers of their other phones just how terrible their Android support/updating actually is. They want to move on. They even bothered to miff up the Software on their WP7 devices. If Samsung touches any software, they will make sure they find a way to miff it up.
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It's plastic and yea it feels cheap. The HD2 is in another dimension. It does feel cheap, but that's nothing a Body Glove or Otterbox case can't fix trivially.
The battery and GPS is a bigger issue, though... Both of those are terrible. If I take my Vibrant off the charger and never use it, 30% of the time the phone will drain to nothing in 4 hours. I have no clue how it's doing it, why it's doing it. The battery is good (I've tried a brand new Stock Samsung OEM battery replacement) and it still happens. It has the most Volatile Battery Life I've ever experienced in a Mobile Phone, or any mobile device, ever...
A couple months ago I went to Houston for a couple days and forgot to take my Wall Charger... I ended up having to plug my phone into the Samsung HDTV in the room becasue the battery was dying all over the place. I had to stand there tethered to a television just to use my phone. Wanted to talk? Go to the TV. Check your Twitter/Email? You know where to go...
Even on the car charger, the phone would barely charge. I was basically < 50% charge 90% of the time I was there, and even had to turn my phone off for like 3-4 hours when I was getting stuff done to make sure it didn't die on me.
That is something I had never experienced using my Windows Mobile (6.5) devices or Aria, and the HD7 doesn't do this. The Blackberry Bold I tried out for a couple weeks could go 2-3 days with extremely heavy usage on one charge, and charged fast as ****... Even on a Car Charger while being used.
The GPS in the Vibrant was constantly putting me on the wrong road, or on the service road when I was on the other side of the Interstate. At intersections, the GPS would bug out and it would take it upwards of 1-2 minutes to straighten itself out.
Back to the battery. I think the cell radio is killing it. When the phone is on WiFi, it can work about 18-24 hours before it you have to turn it off, because it's not using the cell radio for anything. So, I think a lot of people who say their battery is so good are probably on WiFi most of the time, and likely don't make that many phone calls.
As far as updates are concerned, KA6 was a hail mary and I think Samsung would like to not have this phone even be mentioned in headlines, since those same articles will just remind potential buyers of their other phones just how terrible their Android support/updating actually is. They want to move on. They even bothered to miff up the Software on their WP7 devices. If Samsung touches any software, they will make sure they find a way to miff it up.
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One quick remark on what you said regarding Cell drainage vs. Wifi, that's just not true. At least in my case it isn't.
Today for example I took my phone off the charger about 8 a.m and by the time I walked out of uni 8 hours later I had 78% left. All this while making about a total of 70 minutes of calls not to mention a couple of texts.
Now when I reached home I turned on my wifi and started doing my net business, that got me to 15% in less than 4 hours. Without doing any calls/texts in the process.
What more could I want in a phone?
How about no interface or response lag? I'm running Bionix V 1.3.1 with Voodoo lagfix enable, and there's still some lag in the response.
I'd also like the GPS to work every time with accuracy at least matching my 2+ year old G1.
you guys are not thinking this through.....
i want my phone to have a vagina.
xtone said:
you guys are not thinking this through.....
i want my phone to have a vagina.
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This made me lol so a thanks hit...
Also 3g uses more battery than being on wifi to the person talking about wifi draining their ****....
I have excellent battery life...
xtone said:
you guys are not thinking this through.....
i want my phone to have a vagina.
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haha I wanted to say this but I might get flame. lol
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I had a Droid Turbo for 1.5 years that got great battery life. I am a power user, and averaged between 4 and 4.5 hrs of SOT in a 16 hour day.
For no good reason, I decided it was time to get a new phone, and I chose the S7e SD 820 model based on the reviews. While the phone is pretty, there were two dealbreakers for me. First, the Edge screen is too sensitive given the way I hold a phone, even when using a case. I'd constantly open apps on the left side of the screen by accident. Or worse, make weird typos in emails. The second, and bigger issue, is mentioned ad nauseum on this forum - the US version has major Android System battery drain that has not been addressed. I spent hours and hours trying to get in touch with someone who could help me at Samsung. I was promised callbacks, fixes, etc.. But when there was no follow through and I'd call back, they acted like nobody had ever reported the problem before. I then tried tweeting Samsung support, and they responded... By telling me that their customer service dept on Twitter has absolutely no way to contact someone who can solve the android system issue. Finally, after calling several times, I got in touch w a US based tier 2 tech support agent, who also told me the issue had never been reported. He had an S7 on hand, picked it up, and noted that there was definitely a problem. He put in a ticket but said it wouldn't be addressed until enough people complained to trip their system. Given the challenges of dealing w Samsung, and my big priority of having a long lasting battery, I finally gave up hope and returned my s7e to Verizon. This is the first time in 20 years of cell phones that I've ever made a return.
I wanted my Droid Turbo back, but unfortunately, I turned that in when I got the S7e. So, I decided to get a DT2. I'd call it a fine phone. Nothing special that differentiated it from the original for me. In fact, battery life for me averaged about 3.5-4 hrs SOT, less than the original. If I'm going to spend $700 on a new phone it has to be significantly better than my previous one in the category that's most important to me, which is battery life. I don't watch much video on my phone, but I definitely use apps intermittently throughout the day, including FB, Instagram, Bumble, TouchDown and Feedly. Since those don't need anything special in terms of graphics, my only goal was to get more device use time than the DT. Since that wasn't happening, I've now purchased a Nexus 6p.
From reading the forums, it sounds like Google is much more responsive to issues because this phone is running stock Android. While the processor is a generation dated from the S7e, I do appreciate that Google will update much faster than Samsung, who barely acknowledged a battery issue affecting 100% of US phones. I've now installed everything on my 6p, and am in the middle of testing it for "normal use" (meaning, how I use the phone, which may or may not reflect the norm). If this phone doesn't get better battery life than the DT, then I'm going to return it, call it a day, and purchase another DT on ebay.
I'm sure for many of you screen pixels, camera and processor speed matter, but I don't watch much video, find almost all cell phone cameras provide pixelated photos, particularly in low light, and I never had any issue opening FB or emails at warp speed on my Turbo. I can't justify getting equal or less battery life for a phone that costs $500 more than the original DT.
Anyway, I'll give an update once I've had a few days with my 6p, but feel free to post your experiences if you've had any of these devices.
You should be able to get at least 6 to 8 hours SOT with the SD820 Edge, just look at this threat and try it. Despite your bad experience so far this S7 should easily obliterate your DT and 6p. It's just a shame 800 bucks doesn't work great straight out of the box like most Exynos do and how it should be. But even Exynos isn't perfect, e.g. my standby drain is slowly creeping upwards from 2% per night on the first day till 4% now, 2 weeks later. Without ever changing a setting. Not complaining though This phone has potential like no other phone in market does at this point in time.
I'd strongly doubt that any phone could average 6+ hrs of SoT unless you're on wifi and using the screen continuously. But again, everyone uses their phones differently. For me, it was the terrible Samsung support that made me throw in the towel. I agree that the phone has potential, but potential is just that. If the people responsible for updating the phone don't pay attention to their customers than the phone will never improve beyond its potential.
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If the people responsible for updating the phone don't pay attention to their customers than the phone will never improve beyond its potential.
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Touche