check this out:
http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2009/bert-letter-en.shtml
its real ,and he hits the week points of SE
"Real innovations have been substituted by dreams. As a consumer I'm offered rapidly aging and overpriced phones that have no future on the market under the guise of 'state-of-the-art solutions'. Another manifestation of the company's dishonesty was when Sony Ericsson tried to persuade me via weak PR and advertising that these were marvelous products."
end quote.
Well, this guy is nailing it! Spot on! Dishonesty is the right word. Persuasion and promises without any real world backing.
"oh looky looky the X1 with the AMAZING panels that are going to change your everyday live" - oh yeah, it's one year after that and there are a handful of them. I haven't used any of them in months.
"oh looky looky the X2 is simply amazing cutting edge device with the fantastic tile panel" - oh yeah, very amazing with the pathetic old hardware and the annoying panel that is nothing more than a gimmick and is impossible to use on a daily basis.
Haha...
Damn!! This guy's got it spot on!
@nevermind: What was that u said, SE won't be phased if they loose me as a customer? Reality check, u guys are loosing it.
Imagine a current X1 user upgrading to a X2 and realising a couple of hours down the line that he just bought a re-glorified plastic encased X1 with an 8mp camera. lol
I really digged SE but as of late I've, and apparently more SE fanbois really felt as if though we've been cheated with the X1.
So, whatcha gonna do?
With have been cheated with the X2 not X1. Also, nevermind =/= SE.
the thing is how much we are annoyed with the x2, there is not any good phones coming for wm in the foreseeable future and the more i look the more i thing the x2 is the best looking most functional (with its keyboard) and although it lacks the cpu of some devices like the htc leo, the htc devices are so ugly i would never buy it.
it seems that if i get a x2 as a free replacement for my x1 i will be happy but if i dont i am happy to keep my x1 for now as the rest of the wm phones are not as good overall.
i dont really see the need for wm6.5 on the x1 as i have used both and dont think 6.5 is that much better but a r4 firmware update with the new drivers would be nice (although mine x1 is now tuned to be super fast and smooth apart from some games and videos).
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the thing is how much we are annoyed with the x2, there is not any good phones coming for wm in the foreseeable future and the more i look the more i thing the x2 is the best looking most functional (with its keyboard) and although it lacks the cpu of some devices like the htc leo, the htc devices are so ugly i would never buy it.
it seems that if i get a x2 as a free replacement for my x1 i will be happy but if i dont i am happy to keep my x1 for now as the rest of the wm phones are not as good overall.
i dont really see the need for wm6.5 on the x1 as i have used both and dont think 6.5 is that much better but a r4 firmware update with the new drivers would be nice (although mine x1 is now tuned to be super fast and smooth apart from some games and videos).
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Keep your X1, I wouldn't bother with X2. I find it a little insulting (at least if the reports of its pricing are true).
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Keep your X1, I wouldn't bother with X2. I find it a little insulting (at least if the reports of its pricing are true).
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lol. i did say i would only get a x2 if they give it to me as a free replacement so it really does not matter how much sony decides to sell it for.
Major anouncement: Sony Ericsson renamed x2, to x1.5!!1
lol where you get that???
xperia 1.5....
why not 1.8 for the 8 mpx camera.
haha sounds funny
look here
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/corporate/products/phoneportfolio
hyellow said:
Major anouncement: Sony Ericsson renamed x2, to x1.5!!1
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lets try not to be childish
hyellow said:
Major anouncement: Sony Ericsson renamed x2, to x1.5!!1
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Please provide proof and links!!
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Please provide proof and links!!
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it obviously was a sneer to SE. Not real! but seriously, if they really called it x1.5 , i would consider buying it, because it'll probably be the only phone to have such a model name/number. And perhaps, x2 is not worth the x2 name, because of the minor improvements over x1. But..... x1.5 was just a joke, c'mon...
I spent a few years with SE's UIQ phones, and a similar thing happened there. Since Sony Ericsson WAS in practice UIQ (apart from one Motorola I think), not only did they terminally underspec the UIQ terminals, they actually killed the UIQ interface, which was a real shame, since it was a very stable and efficient phone OS.
Déjà vu...
If you look at the UIQ forum on my-symbian.com, you will see similar complaints, letters published to CEOs etc. There must be some serious disconnects in SE for this to happen with their flagship range(s).
It's called greed. Also, providing as little as possible and pricing it like a NASA prototype...
...and the poster with the 1.5 was OBVIOUSLY joking...
I hope sony respond positivley to this letter and turn their act around
When has an Internet campaign lead to anything? All these letters, petitions and campaigns are utterly pointless.
The only exception is the bringing back of Jericho, but is just the exception that proves the general rule. Plus, they annoyed the TV execs with the real world sending of nuts and other stuff. Maybe we should send something to SE. Hm... something smelly perhaps?
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When has an Internet campaign lead to anything? All these letters, petitions and campaigns are utterly pointless.
The only exception is the bringing back of Jericho, but is just the exception that proves the general rule. Plus, they annoyed the TV execs with the real world sending of nuts and other stuff. Maybe we should send something to SE. Hm... something smelly perhaps?
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Well its their loss - we only want to help >.<
Do you guys really believe they will ever exchange a broken x1 for an x2? I highly doubt it. I would love to get a x2 that way but i think it will never happen.
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Do you guys really believe they will ever exchange a broken x1 for an x2? I highly doubt it. I would love to get a x2 that way but i think it will never happen.
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Well maybe they will, if the x1's keep falling appart or have other weird issue's like mines that turns blue'ish when sliding open.. the screen cable gets a bit loosy when i slide it open. ( its already been in repairs once for that issue but back then it went off instead of turning blue.. )
orelsi said:
When has an Internet campaign lead to anything? All these letters, petitions and campaigns are utterly pointless.
The only exception is the bringing back of Jericho, but is just the exception that proves the general rule. Plus, they annoyed the TV execs with the real world sending of nuts and other stuff. Maybe we should send something to SE. Hm... something smelly perhaps?
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...aGREED!!
Related
okay, so i read this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502205
and it clearly says that that XDA dev will not support other non-HTC devices. As it stands now, X2 will NOT be MADE by HTC. So therefore X2 will not be supported by this forum. Am i correct?
i've got to say i learned a lot about windows mobile through this forum. Its amazing how all this programmer from around the world gather around and share their work to the world (freely, mind you ), and most important of all, they share the learning process of it as well. Which i thought is quite amazing really...
Back to the topic, we dont know yet what kind of OS X2 will use, it could be android, symbian, or WM. Although from some of the post that i read here, i think it will be WM anyway (6.5).
Now, i must say that XDA Dev has made X1 an even more attractive mobile phone through all the customization that we can put into it. Big props to all the cheff (itje, jackleung, just to name a few...) who put so much effort into it and made X1 such a powerful beast it is now, and also all other people who has contributed through their knowledge and skills
Sadly, if X2 does have to part its way from XDA Dev, i dont think it'll receive such a support that we have enjoyed on our X1 now...i mean, so far i don't think i've seen such a developer community as big as XDA Dev. To sum it all up, maybe i can say that XDA Dev is one of the reason why X1 is as big as it is today. I doubt anybody would buy this device if this developer site hadn't exist (bit over exaggerating on this one, but you know what i mean )
So, what do you think about it? Will X2 be such a huge hit without XDA dev?
p.s: Sorry for my really really bad english
I don't see your point. X1 is a HTC-phone and if the X2 will become also a HTC-device, I don't think that the XDA-Devs won't care about it.
There as been some thread about our expectations for the X2, but it's mainly reading in tea leaves
Wow now that you mention it, I dont even think I'm gonna upgrade to the X2 without XDA! Damn everything is here. If it wasn't for xda and W.I.N.D.L.E's X1 Proboards sites, there would have been no joy in having the Xperia!!
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I don't see your point. X1 is a HTC-phone and if the X2 will become also a HTC-device, I don't think that the XDA-Devs won't care about it.
There as been some thread about our expectations for the X2, but it's mainly reading in tea leaves
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Yes, ofcourse X1 is a HTC devices, but it has been confirmed that Sony Ericsson ended their relationship with HTC for the X2 and Sony Ericsson is going to manufacture their own phone. Therefore, i don't think X2 is a HTC device anymore....
it would still have a place in the general forum's judging how much there is in there about hp, samsung and thoshiba windows mobile devices
dont really think u need to worry about the x2 till we see it. it may not even be a wm device (although i think it will).
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that's nice....
But looking at how big the X1 forum's got, i dont know if all that can be put into general forums when X2 is out.
Well, i guess we'll just have to wait for the time being...cmon sony, give us a preview
Sony is seeking for a new partnership for their upcoiming heir to the X series phone
ASUS has been mentioned along with other makers
HTC really screwed it up with build quality and (cracks in case, paint peel off, etc) and SONY broke the partnership due to that quality issues
Yes I have been figuring out this question too (how would my Xperia be without XDA-DEVS), but SONY is bigger than xda-devs, HTC or all of us, they will simply go on with a new and great product
If you want a REAL measurement of SONY's influence-impact over HTC, please visit this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446362
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HTC really screwed it up with build quality and (cracks in case, paint peel off, etc) and SONY broke the partnership due to that quality issues
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I find that kind of ridiculous because imo SE is THE master of bad materials and cracks in cases and screens ITSELF.
Just remember the W960i with the broken Displays...
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I find that kind of ridiculous because imo SE is THE master of bad materials and cracks in cases and screens ITSELF.
Just remember the W960i with the broken Displays...
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or the w580i where (almost) all the keypad cracked in half after about a month or so of normal usage...
i heard that plenty of c905 (or c902?) were also being sent back because of defective speaker...
fingers crossed that X2 will have none of this problem...
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I find that kind of ridiculous because imo SE is THE master of bad materials and cracks in cases and screens ITSELF.
Just remember the W960i with the broken Displays...
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my w960i never had one problem. but i know what u mean. i have a friend that had a s500i and the keys cracked twice and another friend that had the new c905 and the call speaker broke after 2 weeks. and one more friend that has a w900i and it keeps freezing (not hardware but still a problem in se software)
Hmm... Before this becomes a 'let's bash SE' thread, I've had a W800, 810, 880, 900, 902, 910, 960, Xperia and C905 and the C905 is the only one i have unkind feelings towards... The W800 is still the Walkman phone i use.
SE lacks support but their handsets are quality and tho the X2 may end up not being as customisable/verstile as the X1 i'm still hopeful it will be a great piece of kit.
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okay,lets get back on track then...
so,will the X2 become a huge hit or not? since it won't have xda (officially) supporting it anymore...
come to think of it,i just realised how all those people with some other nice WM device,like omnia, can live without all the customization that we have for our X1?
surely there are some other way for customization,but it wont be as deep as our X1 got right now....
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okay,lets get back on track then...
so,will the X2 become a huge hit or not? since it won't have xda (officially) supporting it anymore...
come to think of it,i just realised how all those people with some other nice WM device,like omnia, can live without all the customization that we have for our X1?
surely there are some other way for customization,but it wont be as deep as our X1 got right now....
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TC,
I honestly see this as an utterly pointless thread. HTC will not manufacture the next Xperia, so it won't have its own section in the forums.
You're literally asking people to crystal ball the outcome for you. You want enough people here to say that it'll be a huge success in hopes that XDA will make an exception that the Xperia 2 will get its own section (or something along the lines of trying to push for an X2 forum section)? Because that's honestly the underlying message I see you trying to put out on the table.
You keep trailing on and on about "it won't have xda support" and all that jabber which brings me back to my point that all you're trying to pull in this thread is to get XDA to make an exception that a non-HTC device can have its own section.
Good day.
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TC,
I honestly see this as an utterly pointless thread. HTC will not manufacture the next Xperia, so it won't have its own section in the forums.
You're literally asking people to crystal ball the outcome for you. You want enough people here to say that it'll be a huge success in hopes that XDA will make an exception that the Xperia 2 will get its own section (or something along the lines of trying to push for an X2 forum section)? Because that's honestly the underlying message I see you trying to put out on the table.
You keep trailing on and on about "it won't have xda support" and all that jabber which brings me back to my point that all you're trying to pull in this thread is to get XDA to make an exception that a non-HTC device can have its own section.
Good day.
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well, if you read my first post carefully, i did say that i read about what the mod said about non htc device. With that in mind,do you think i would go all the way trying to push an X2 board onto xda? that would just be a waste of my time...
i am here just curious about how people will react to X2 without XDA....
thats it,nothing more,nothing less..
if you guys really think that i may have other intentions in mind,then i apologise and Moderators may close and delete this thread.
Who will get an X2 if not supported here?
i got my X1 cuz this forum/wiki... site is here, if not i would never think of it!
simply if X2 is not supported by XDA-Developers, i will get a HTC device.
yes it's that simple
I just got back a new X1 cause of a crack and I triend it with the stock rom for a while again, but I couldn't make it longer than an houre before I ran back to xda-dev and flash hard spl and Itjes rom. So i Guess I wont buy a X2 if there is no support on here, I wouldn't even have bought the X1 if there were no roms to flash.
The next SE phone will be wm6.5 and not made by HTC. The naming of the device has yet to be decided on. So in theory, the X2 could still potentially be made by HTC if all the right moons align.
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So in theory, the X2 could still potentially be made by HTC if all the right moons align.
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personally, i'd love to see this happen. HTC isn't going to screw sony up twice...that'd be ridiculous...
but thats just my dream anyway
Just feel it's a bit early to be speculating about all this when there's hardly any news about the X2. Next major phone by SE is the Idou. Haven't heard anything about the X2 in fact.
Dear Members,
I am completely buffled and confused! I have heard millions of pocket pcs in the past years i am eager to have a change but i need your advise. Help me choose between the above devices.
Romani ite domum!
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Romani ite domum!
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What on earth is this?
I was with a lot of doubts like you, until I see today the X10
It is THE **** of phone. The UI is ugly, and works like its running on a nintendo DS processor and 3fps, they dont have any advantage over HD2, NONE, and the release date is on march 2010 if all goes good.
not an option for me and a big fail for Sony.
i am surprised at how ugly the UI turned out. Also, the lag SHOULD be attributed to it being pre=release but it is so laggy that you have to assume some of that will make it into the final ROM
Alkali said:
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I am completely buffled and confused! I have heard millions of pocket pcs in the past years i am eager to have a change but i need your advise. Help me choose between the above devices.
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Considering the detailed description you gave regarding what you need your phone to do, it's obvious that the XPERIA is the phone for you.
You get the X10 and let us the HD2 gang know what you found out
I LoL'd
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Seriously, what have they ever done for us?
I LoL'd
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Seriously, what have they ever done for us?
The X10 looks like a nice phone. I personally think it looks better aesthetically than the HD2, especially in White. The UI will probably be improved before it's released and run faster than 3 FPS. The 8MP camera is also a plus, and I'd take an SE camera over an HTC camera any day.
All that being said, the HD2 has the bigger screen and the support of xda-developers
That's all I need for me to consider the HD2 better. That and SE hasn't made a good flagship phone in years! I'd bet they are going to botch up the X10 somehow and it's pretty much guaranteed to go through a few delays traditional SE style
knowing sony's track record on their UI in the xperia line, i doubt if anything will be improved from the pre-release version to the release version. I feel bad for SE fans because i truly love their phones and also the most aesthetically looking phones out there in the market. Sadly, that's all they're good at. The UI on the X1 and X2 (especially the X2) have been under scrutiny for how slow and choppy they are and after seeing the hands-on video, it seems like the downward trend will continue.
Gang, this is not even a Windows Mobile device
Alkali said:
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I am completely buffled and confused! I have heard millions of pocket pcs in the past years i am eager to have a change but i need your advise. Help me choose between the above devices.
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pretty not much of a point to ask this question here or in Xperia X10, most of the responders here like me have had already bought over in our mind with HD2. And I would strongly recommend HD2 against Xperia X10 for many reasons, but this is entirely my preferences. I would think again if it is based on WinMO.
too bad history
lude219 said:
knowing sony's track record on their UI in the xperia line, i doubt if anything will be improved from the pre-release version to the release version. I feel bad for SE fans because i truly love their phones and also the most aesthetically looking phones out there in the market. Sadly, that's all they're good at. The UI on the X1 and X2 (especially the X2) have been under scrutiny for how slow and choppy they are and after seeing the hands-on video, it seems like the downward trend will continue.
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I back up this 100%
Sony promissed us to fix the X1 Xperia, it did not happen, Neither the P990 (freezing without warning), or the P910 . The P800 never got the pop mails to work 100% ...
Sorry Sony, track record is too bad ... never SE again
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I back up this 100%
Sony promissed us to fix the X1 Xperia, it did not happen, Neither the P990 (freezing without warning), or the P910 . The P800 never got the pop mails to work 100% ...
Sorry Sony, track record is too bad ... never SE again
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Dont remind me with the P990 which was my worst phone experience ever ... ever
I consider HD2 as a Business Phone...
Sony Xperia X10 is not a Business Phone at all. It even cannot show MS exchange emails in html format...
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learn from your mistakes
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Dont remind me with the P990 which was my worst phone experience ever ... ever
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P990, P990 ... P990 ... We got to remember our mistakeS, SE take us for idiots ... a lot of promiss, never real fix ... Let's go for phone with working software, and that is not a SonyEricsson, i got the phones in my cabinets to prove it.
I clearly remember that X1 was suppose to get Windows mobile 7 .. we don t even get Win6.5 ... so ... bye bye SE, remember your mistakeS, so many companies finish the products, no reason to buy something unfinished.
To get a working X1, we got to develope hacks ... not what i call a good consumer support.
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I back up this 100%
Sony promissed us to fix the X1 Xperia, it did not happen, Neither the P990 (freezing without warning), or the P910 . The P800 never got the pop mails to work 100% ...
Sorry Sony, track record is too bad ... never SE again
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i have personal experience with most of this, agreed 110%
Now that some of you advise me to try X10,What do
I do with my WORD DOCUMENTS? Can I use them on ANDROID?
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Now that some of you advise me to try X10,What do
I do with my WORD DOCUMENTS? Can I use them on ANDROID?
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you'll have some time to find the best solution as the X10 won't be out for months - if SE are saying Q1 then that is a certainty for Q2 at the earliest...
Andoid does have the odd application that can use office files.
Facebook is pretty huge, Even SE has fan pages on there.
What better way to get them to pay attention than setting up a "not a big fan" page?
So please, everyone please join this group. The more people we get, the more they will pay attention.
Thanks to René for setting it up.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=110270035673269
Joined, thanks!!!
I signed up to this forum only to express my disappointment towards SE and joined the group of unhappy X2 owners. Thanks everyone who has posted the topics about the problems with X2 so I know that I'm not the only one who felt cheated. We paid the premium price for the phone and I don't mind minor bugs but how do I suppose to rely on this device if it keeps shutting itself down for no reason whatsever after it enters the standby....
Yesterday I reached my phone to take a picture of my friends and found my phone dead... nothing more embarrassing than having to remove the battery, inserted again, asked friends to wait until this piece of crap boots up and ready to take pic.. in.. well.. .4 minutes later????
Wait. Don't forget me. I'm coming.
Spread the word, the faster we get more people the quicker we can get some sort of response from SE.
They have not bothered to even respond to the complaints in their fan page... tsk tsk!
me are disappointed with X2. Signed up in facebook group.
LOL some of you like the X1. If the X2 is better than the X1, why hate it?
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LOL some of you like the X1. If the X2 is better than the X1, why hate it?
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What?!
I love X1, it's fast and stable.
I would love X2 because it's really great,
but you just cannot use it properly because the device makes
it impossible bacuse of freezes.
Clear?
so, what's the difference to the x1 then?
you can't even say the x2 has better build quality yet - it's too early.
apart from that it looks like SE is playing the same game again: "who? what? oh, i see. we already have your money. sorry, you're on your own now. come back when we sell you our next flagship and have a nice day!"
If we had Custom X1 stability and ability in an X2 shell, it would be a perfect world
Finally a reply from Aaron/SE:
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...e-now-available/comment-page-4/#comment-37847
Heh...
Look at this video:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15371
Looks like getting HTC HD Mini also gives you problems.....
Many apps don't work there including SPB Mobile Shell!
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Finally a reply from Aaron/SE:
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...e-now-available/comment-page-4/#comment-37847
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This does not look like an official answer. Why would the poster refer to SE in third person?
Biges said:
This does not look like an official answer. Why would the poster refer to SE in third person?
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What are you talking about?
He says we
like: "and we are actively looking into the messaging experience you describe"....
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so, what's the difference to the x1 then?
you can't even say the x2 has better build quality yet - it's too early.
apart from that it looks like SE is playing the same game again: "who? what? oh, i see. we already have your money. sorry, you're on your own now. come back when we sell you our next flagship and have a nice day!"
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There is no difference. It is the same device. That's why I am not buying it.
There is still not a single device on the market that has the features of the X1 (keyboard, d-pad, optical mouse, winmo, softbuttons, style and looks and much more). The ones with powerful processors lack some of the features I mentioned and with the heavy customization most of us have done, my X1 can match or even perform better than brand new devices. Nuff said.
yeah, it's the same device. most important thing they've got in common is that they're from SE - which is dead for all time for me when it comes to smartphones. the x1-experience has been enough (drivers, software-support)
(apart from that my x1 is fine, i'm even SoD-free for 3 weeks now... )
you're right about the features though... it's strange that all the "big" phones, no matter what OS, nowadays lack a hw-keyboard. well, i'll find out when i get my desire - maybe soft-kb on a big screen really pleases all needs?
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...e-now-available/comment-page-4/#comment-38174
LOL, I have nothing to say.
yes i'm in... hope SE will listen
ultrashot said:
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...e-now-available/comment-page-4/#comment-38174
LOL, I have nothing to say.
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Personally I think it is someone being stupid. Like a little 12 your old virgin with nothing better to do.
Why would Aaron be working on a Sunday?
mtechfan, yes, it something like this but it was funny that SE haven't made normal registration/authorization system in their blog.
I can whine and complain all day about, how not getting froyo or gingerbread sucks.
But I'm really digging this dualtouch thinggy.
The implementation is not bad as people said it would be, it worked on every app i tried.
And when I think, that Sony Ericsson didn't have to do it, they just did, to make their customers feel a bit better about their device. They lose money, not gain, from releasing software updates, and unlike Nokia, Samsung, RIM, and Apple, u must realise that right now, Sony Ericsson doesn't really have money. Read Financials. So, X10 users should appreciate this, and, heck, they changed their minds about the MT thing, they might just do the same for Froyo or Gingerbread (Call it a hunch).
I just don't agree with your opinion about SE, but it's your point of view.
And is not multitouch, is dualtouch, wich is still good and if you say it works with most apps around, then worth it.
lol, SE doesn't have money??? Do you think that they would be making another two fail phones ( PSP Phone and Xperia Arc ) if they didn't have the money?
The costumers should NOT have to read financial repports on the companies before they decide what device they should buy...!!
IF I was S/E i would actually fight with every thing i got, to give the customers a feeling that I didn´t just want to screw them...
S/E is failing big on this, any X10 buyer with just a little tech sence absolutly have to feel that they have been ****ed by S/E...
Compare S/E with eg. HTC that deliver updates far beond what can be expected to the handsets...
S/E will not even support the X10 line for one year...
Quick question: After the statement that X10 won't get anything beyond Eclair, how many X10 unities would SE sell?
Just a question to those guys who are into financial estimates and stuff like that.
caifanX10 said:
Quick question: After the statement that X10 won't get anything beyond Eclair, how many X10 unities would SE sell?
Just a question to those guys who are into financial estimates and stuff like that.
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LOL you seem to ask a lot of questions my friend
MJ_QaT said:
LOL you seem to ask a lot of questions my friend
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Better than attacking and flamin', don't ya think?
pshdo said:
The costumers should NOT have to read financial repports on the companies before they decide what device they should buy...!!
IF I was S/E i would actually fight with every thing i got, to give the customers a feeling that I didn´t just want to screw them...
S/E is failing big on this, any X10 buyer with just a little tech sence absolutly have to feel that they have been ****ed by S/E...
Compare S/E with eg. HTC that deliver updates far beond what can be expected to the handsets...
S/E will not even support the X10 line for one year...
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Im sorry, but how many HTC phones have got more than 1 major android update ?
And then how many android phones does HTC have on the marked contra SE.....
Im not rating im joyfull, but hey, you bought an android phone with an old android version to begin with. And SE have actually done what they promissed, plus alot more....
caifanX10 said:
Better than attacking and flamin', don't ya think?
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Yet ANOTHER question
Sony Ericsson ( or any company that's involved in Android ) will not care about their previous Handsets in terms of MAJOR updates, they will look forward and learn from the past, of course they will support the X10 if bugs were discovered later, but they have done what they have promised...
MJ_QaT said:
Yet ANOTHER question
Sony Ericsson ( or any company that's involved in Android ) will not care about their previous Handsets in terms of MAJOR updates, they will look forward and learn from the past, of course they will support the X10 if bugs were discovered later, but they have done what they have promised...
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Yet another question :
What about Satio, Aino and Vivaz? are those phones already forgotten?
caifanX10 said:
Yet another question :
What about Satio, Aino and Vivaz? are those phones already forgotten?
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Those three phone were a mistake in my opinion, not because of their specs nor the hardware, but just because of the software ( symbian OS, UIQ )
They had a couple of more updates for them, but they cannot do more with symbian OS. But as far as I know they have fix major and minor bugs in those three ( I owned two of them ) still using Aino as a second phone
As a vivaz pro owner, I will tell you now, that if I was SE, I wouldn't bother my self with symbian anymore either.
UIQ in my opinion was the best implementation of symbian, then nokia tricked MOAP, and UIQ, into selling their shares, in the guise of hey, let's unify symbian. Then what happened, symbian was overly nokiarised.
When google improves android, they share, when Nokia updates S60v5, they go, well ur on ur own dudes. You know this.
Why do u think samsung got pissed last year and dropped all support for symbian.
Too bad, I really wanted to get a Satio about 2 years ago and an Aino 1 year ago
Seriously, don't get me wrong. I love my Xperia X10, but I now this phone CAN do more than SE rules. I think it isn't about getting Froyo (that won't happen, so ppl stop that, or unlocking the bootloader), but at least we should get an update to make this phone even better.
They say .24 update is good, I don't have it yet so I need to proof it. And this kind of updates like dualtouch are helping, but I think isn't enough yet. That's all.
dante2086 said:
As a vivaz pro owner, I will tell you now, that if I was SE, I wouldn't bother my self with symbian anymore either.
UIQ in my opinion was the best implementation of symbian, then nokia tricked MOAP, and UIQ, into selling their shares, in the guise of hey, let's unify symbian. Then what happened, symbian was overly nokiarised.
When google improves android, they share, when Nokia updates S60v5, they go, well ur on ur own dudes. You know this.
Why do u think samsung got pissed last year and dropped all support for symbian.
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What about Nokia and the Maemo project? Maemo is a good OS. I'd like to see SE experimenting with it in the future (would I be asking for too much?)
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lol, SE doesn't have money??? Do you think that they would be making another two fail phones ( PSP Phone and Xperia Arc ) if they didn't have the money?
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Dude, I know what I'm saying, and just so you know, you don't really have to have money as a business to make something, that's were losses and bankruptcy come from.
Let me put it into perspective for you.
HTC Q4 profit, 500 million dollars.
Samsung mobile Q4 profit, 1 BILLION dollars
Apple Q4, sit down for this one, 6 billion dollars
Sony Ericsson, the whole 2010, 90 million dollars.
It's so difficult for them to make profits, that if they splashed cash, they suddenly be in the red.
I'm not making excuses for them, but people should look at things from all angles.
How many updates do Samsung phones get with their billions, they have enough money to hire every single XDA developer for a year.
caifanX10 said:
What about Nokia and the Maemo project? Maemo is a good OS. I'd like to see SE experimenting with it in the future (would I be asking for too much?)
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I agree with you, maemo is very good. But then, Nokia has more or less dumped it for meego, and it barely has apps.
dante2086 said:
I agree with you, maemo is very good. But then, Nokia has more or less dumped it for meego, and it barely has apps.
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So, basically Maemo needs more developing, I think it might become an important competitor in the handset market. Hey SE devs, listen carefully, you have one more option beyond Android
caifanX10 said:
Too bad, I really wanted to get a Satio about 2 years ago and an Aino 1 year ago
Seriously, don't get me wrong. I love my Xperia X10, but I now this phone CAN do more than SE rules. I think it isn't about getting Froyo (that won't happen, so ppl stop that, or unlocking the bootloader), but at least we should get an update to make this phone even better.
They say .24 update is good, I don't have it yet so I need to proof it. And this kind of updates like dualtouch are helping, but I think isn't enough yet. That's all.
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Sony Ericsson's aim for the X10 is to make as solid as possible, and I have to say they managed to do so, compared to my Galaxy Tab 2.2...
the .24 is a very reliable update, right now I am waiting for the official update for the Dual-touch in UK so I can try and and see what happens..
pshdo said:
The costumers should NOT have to read financial repports on the companies before they decide what device they should buy...!!
IF I was S/E i would actually fight with every thing i got, to give the customers a feeling that I didn´t just want to screw them...
S/E is failing big on this, any X10 buyer with just a little tech sence absolutly have to feel that they have been ****ed by S/E...
Compare S/E with eg. HTC that deliver updates far beond what can be expected to the handsets...
S/E will not even support the X10 line for one year...
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Customers shouldn't read financials, agreed, but informed customers like u and I should. If u didn't want to know as much of ur phone and brand as u could, u wouldn't be on XDA.
HTC made in one quarter, over 5 times what SE made in a year, that means bigger workforce, more programmers, more updates.
Sony Ericsson had to lay off thousands just to make a measly profit. And fighting tooth and nail is what got them into that mess, remember when made phones that had insane specs for their time, K700, S700, W800, K750, K800, the P series, the list is endless. Techies like us loved those phones, but they cost money to make, and didn't sell as much.
So I think they are tired of fighting tooth and nail, they just want to survive.
And their new range is NICE.
Arc for my MTN line.
Xperia Play for my Etisalat line.
Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
caifanX10 said:
So, basically Maemo needs more developing, I think it might become an important competitor in the handset market. Hey SE devs, listen carefully, you have one more option beyond Android
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I can't see any reasons for them to go and try Maemo..
They will need:
-More resources ( Devs and Techs ), which leads into spending more money
-More time to get to know the OS
-Pay Nokia to use their Maemo OS
It will not end up good for them, especially since it came from Nokia.....
Hi All,
I am from Singapore, my contract is going to end in April..
I am just curious which phone I should go for??
I am more diverted towards Xperia Play
Its not that I hate my X10i or anything else so please no war zone here
Just genuine suggestions with some valid point, thanks in advance!!
samsung galaxy 2 i would say
after all sony will lock the bootloader again
with the galaxy, u can directly install cyanogen roms =D
if you like, nothing can stop you
Arc or Pro
Your choice
personally i would like to get the optimus 2x if good roms are released for it, if not galaxy s II. If your happy to go with SE again then go for it, personally i dont want to wait a year 2.4. Im still unconvinced that they've learnt from the x10...
i believe they have becuase they stated that it takes long with x10 due to mediascape and timescape being so deeply integrated into the system. But with new phones they are just apps and thats it.
Depends on your budget too? I'm guessing the mid-range plans will fetch SGD$600 or so ba...
And if you're lucky enough, complains of X10 have reached M1/Singtel/Starhub's ears and they will try decrease the price in order to get more people to get?
I know... In my dreams =/
I feel like changing to Arc, which, is against my principles of holding on to a phone until it dies off... Ah well, see how it goes ba...
Why not get something that's really a step up from the x10? Dual core, with really good specs like the atrix or something.. Why get basically another x10? Also why trust se have learned anything at all...
fiscidtox said:
Why not get something that's really a step up from the x10? Dual core, with really good specs like the atrix or something.. Why get basically another x10? Also why trust se have learned anything at all...
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Arc and whatever new Xperias are a step up -_-
And none of the Sony Ericsson phones have dual core, for your info.
It's not another X10. It's an Arc. X10 mini and X10mini pro are another X10. X10 doesn't have multitouch, 4.2" screen, sexy body and 2.3 OS. Alot of you guys have been complaining about the X10 not having multitouch, right? So now you got your wish. And you still complain -_-
Nobody ever said they trust Sony Ericsson has learnt anything. No matter what, they will still be a money-minded company and come out with a phone sexier than Arc and a 2.4 OS in it to make us drool over it and buy next year. The cycle never ends. As long as they can come up with a new design that attract customers, they are the winners.
If anybody buys an Arc and complains about no further OS updates or this time can't even hack the phone at all, it's them who never learn. This is how Sony Ericsson works, so either suck it up, or change brands and stay out of here in order not to piss anyone off.
Possibly no OS upgrades, or maybe just 1, hacker-unfriendly phone, applications which you cannot uninstall. these elements are here to stay. So don't complain about these in future cos you have been there, done that.
Please get your facts right before trying to stir up trouble. The guy wants opinions, not give haters like you a chance to further diss the products.
loneLEE said:
Arc and whatever new Xperias are a step up -_-
And none of the Sony Ericsson phones have dual core, for your info.
It's not another X10. It's an Arc. X10 mini and X10mini pro are another X10. X10 doesn't have multitouch, 4.2" screen, sexy body and 2.3 OS. Alot of you guys have been complaining about the X10 not having multitouch, right? So now you got your wish. And you still complain -_-
Nobody ever said they trust Sony Ericsson has learnt anything. No matter what, they will still be a money-minded company and come out with a phone sexier than Arc and a 2.4 OS in it to make us drool over it and buy next year. The cycle never ends. As long as they can come up with a new design that attract customers, they are the winners.
If anybody buys an Arc and complains about no further OS updates or this time can't even hack the phone at all, it's them who never learn. This is how Sony Ericsson works, so either suck it up, or change brands and stay out of here in order not to piss anyone off.
Possibly no OS upgrades, or maybe just 1, hacker-unfriendly phone, applications which you cannot uninstall. these elements are here to stay. So don't complain about these in future cos you have been there, done that.
Please get your facts right before trying to stir up trouble. The guy wants opinions, not give haters like you a chance to further diss the products.
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OP said no warzone, you just fed this warzone...
They're just saying, not always Sony Ericsson, XDA forums is for ALL brands and manufacturers, people can state what they want...
Also.. the word "step-up" is subjective to everyone, to some it'll just mean the newer version with just some extra specs (so keeping in line with Sony Ericsson stuff), to some it'll be just something much technically better (could be any company with just a better hardware padded phone)...
So no more arguments now,
The OP is looking for a new phone, let's help him make a well-informed choice.
Arc is looking great. Some other Android Phones looking ugly and have the ugly stock Android Style but the SE Phones always have great Styles and Android with good Style is the best. Thats what i like about SE but i dont know if my next Phone is a SE Phone i need to look if they learned their lessons and how the Arc will do.
Arc is the best looking forthcoming handset... however, think I'd go for the NEO.. Front facing camera, and slightly smaller.. the rest of the spec seem pretty much the same (off the top of my head!)
loneLEE said:
Arc and whatever new Xperias are a step up -_-
And none of the Sony Ericsson phones have dual core, for your info.
It's not another X10. It's an Arc. X10 mini and X10mini pro are another X10. X10 doesn't have multitouch, 4.2" screen, sexy body and 2.3 OS. Alot of you guys have been complaining about the X10 not having multitouch, right? So now you got your wish. And you still complain -_-
Nobody ever said they trust Sony Ericsson has learnt anything. No matter what, they will still be a money-minded company and come out with a phone sexier than Arc and a 2.4 OS in it to make us drool over it and buy next year. The cycle never ends. As long as they can come up with a new design that attract customers, they are the winners.
If anybody buys an Arc and complains about no further OS updates or this time can't even hack the phone at all, it's them who never learn. This is how Sony Ericsson works, so either suck it up, or change brands and stay out of here in order not to piss anyone off.
Possibly no OS upgrades, or maybe just 1, hacker-unfriendly phone, applications which you cannot uninstall. these elements are here to stay. So don't complain about these in future cos you have been there, done that.
Please get your facts right before trying to stir up trouble. The guy wants opinions, not give haters like you a chance to further diss the products.
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I'm not talking about a little baby step, I'm talking about a bigger jump. If you're going to be stuck with a phone for possibly three years, why not get one that will at least have some staying power as far as specs go?
Jesus you are one uptight douche...
When did I say anything about SE having dual core? Apparently you have trouble reading. The OP said an SE phone OR SOMETHING ELSE. I suggested the atrix.
I love my x10 but I just feel like these new models aren't enough of a leap in specs to really consider it an "upgrade".
I have just as much of a right to state my opinion as I do, what is funny is that you just happen to consider your own opinion (and that is all it is...) fact, while anyone else's are apparently wrong..
Alakasam said:
OP said no warzone, you just fed this warzone...
They're just saying, not always Sony Ericsson, XDA forums is for ALL brands and manufacturers, people can state what they want...
Also.. the word "step-up" is subjective to everyone, to some it'll just mean the newer version with just some extra specs (so keeping in line with Sony Ericsson stuff), to some it'll be just something much technically better (could be any company with just a better hardware padded phone)...
So no more arguments now,
The OP is looking for a new phone, let's help him make a well-informed choice.
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Uh huh. See the way he responds, and you accuse me of starting the war. Zzzz.
fiscidtox said:
I'm not talking about a little baby step, I'm talking about a bigger jump. If you're going to be stuck with a phone for possibly three years, why not get one that will at least have some staying power as far as specs go?
Jesus you are one uptight douche...
When did I say anything about SE having dual core? Apparently you have trouble reading. The OP said an SE phone OR SOMETHING ELSE. I suggested the atrix.
I love my x10 but I just feel like these new models aren't enough of a leap in specs to really consider it an "upgrade". Maybe not for tech geeks like you, but definitely for people who just want a good-looking gadget to own.
I have just as much of a right to state my opinion as I do, what is funny is that you just happen to consider your own opinion (and that is all it is...) fact, while anyone else's are apparently wrong..
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Because it looks nicer and has better specs? DUH. And with their tactics, it's getting hard to stay faithful with the phone for too long. I myself am a self-professed faithful owner who claimed to stay with the same phone until it dies off or gets stolen or lost, but seeing the Arc, I myself am thinking of getting it, contradicting my own beliefs and principles. Even the topic starter is contemplating, as well as other existing Rachael owners.
Admit it nor not, Sony Ericsson is good at making eyecandy stuff which makes people wanna own it.
I'm not Jesus, but thanks for thinking highly of me. By the way, calling me a douche shows you are no better than me =D
Yeah. SOMETHING ELSE. NOT SOME OTHER BRANDS. He already hinted by giving the former 2 models as the same brands an example. Sony Ericsson doesn't even have Atrix. Apparently YOU'RE the one who have trouble reading. Anyway why get so hyped up with dual core when it might be a worse juice sucker, making you complain about further short battery life? I'd rather wait till things are getting stable over time rather than advancements that are unpredictable.
You don't feel so but he feels so.
If you want to state opinions, STATE POSITIVE OPINIONS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PISS OTHERS OFF, KIDDO. By doubting Sony Ericsson's integrity, you, too, are thinking you are right while they are wrong. So that doesn't make you any better than me.
Whatever stuff you say about me basically reflects it on you as well.
Wolfbreak said:
Arc is looking great. Some other Android Phones looking ugly and have the ugly stock Android Style but the SE Phones always have great Styles and Android with good Style is the best. Thats what i like about SE but i dont know if my next Phone is a SE Phone i need to look if they learned their lessons and how the Arc will do.
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If you don't harbor any expectations like getting it hacked or expecting further OS updates, it should be fine. =D
But one thing deterring me is the lack of Mediascape. I'm more of a multimedia kinda person, so I prefer good music players... And see whether will the Arc have Japanese keyboard (and hopefully, a Cantonese keyboard too).
I totally agree with you about the other droids not looking pretty... Actually Google Nexus One was alright, with live wallpaper and all, comparing with the then-Rachael without live wallpapers. But after reading reviews by owners that the music player was sucky, I decided to wait for Rachael instead, trusting Sony's music players through experience. And best of all, Racharl has Japanese language and input installed in it! That was totally great news.
Guess it all boils down to priorities. The factors in the phone which makes you wanna own. I knew Rachael had no live wallpapers, and no multitouch, yet I still bought it. With no regrets. Haha.
And don't go to the updates part. I did not own any phones which are software upgradable in the past, so I didn't count on it, expecting the company too lazy to invest their time updating something that they've gotten rid of and start planning on making better phones.
Something else means not other brands, yet I'm the one with trouble reading lol... Is like to see where he said that..you seem to be making his statement your own. You have some real issues dude.
fiscidtox said:
Something else means not other brands, yet I'm the one with trouble reading lol... Is like to see where he said that..you seem to be making his statement your own. You have some real issues dude.
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I've already explaint how he used examples to support his phrase. If you can't understand even my explanations, you can forget about accusing me for having trouble reading.
Again, this is a good example of what you say about others being reflected on you too.
Yeah. And my issue is YOU.
Haha he said or something else, not or something else sony necessarily...
Take your prozac man...
fiscidtox said:
Haha he said or something else, not or something else sony necessarily...
Take your prozac man...
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yeah. Something else like Neo or Pro or whatever they have. DUH.
If he is thinking or alternatives, he would have asked Arc, HTC or some other brands?