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[Q]Would you have bought your X1 if you didn't knew that XDA existed?

I knew that SE is very bad with updates. An one of the reasons i chose the X1 is because i knew that XDA developers existed. Therefore I ask you "Would you have bought your X1 if you didn't knew that XDA existed?"

I had already decided to buy it before I knew XDA existed. Funny thing is, I couldn't imagine working without XDA now. So I'm glad I found it. ^_^

I have to admit I'd struggle to choose a non htc based phone unless there's somewhere as useful.
The new Tosh appeals, but there's not much in the way of discussion and dev on their kit. The modaco tosh subforum has a minuscule amount of posts.

I bought my X1 before i knew that xda existed

I think I know what this poll will show. There are allot of fresh members in the x1 section. well, not all people are like me then. Now, when I think of it. All of my phones that I have had have been modded in some way, bouth hardware and firmware.

Sincerely, no I wouldn't.
I was going to buy a Nokia 5880 Xpressmusic after a long time wondering which one was the best for me (between 5800 and X1).
But when I realized that you all were here, ...well, guess how it ended?

Well, I decided to buy X1 and bought it before I know XDA. And because I bought X1,I found there...
If I didn't buy a X1,maybe I will not know XDA till now.
You know I am from China where is not a English country,I usually don't go to a English forum,just for find something I will do that.But now,because X1,I get there.

Paitor said:
I think I know what this poll will show. There are allot of fresh members in the x1 section. well, not all people are like me then. Now, when I think of it. All of my phones that I have had have been modded in some way, bouth hardware and firmware.
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The amount of people with X1 or SE or xperia in their name is the giveaway

SonyEX1 said:
I bought my X1 before i knew that xda existed
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Same here..

i didnt even know about htc phones never mind cooking roms and xda
only got the x1 as the hype engine drizzled lubricant over me got me
and nokia phones died on me twice 7110 and n80 but im happy that i found it
.......my x1 and xda forums

Yes. I think although WM can be enhanced, it's not all that bad out-of-the-box if you just need the PDA & Phone features. I mean there are some useful today plugins which come as default and most stuff works just fine (for example SPB mobile shell panel)
Only real catch is that there is no good on-screen keyboard pre-installed.
But most of the addon stuff I installed on my X1 I never really use.

I ordered the X1a and only then did I find XDA.

I have an HTC TyTN and have been using XDA to tweak it very succesfuly. I am now planning to change to SE X1 (honestly I'd prefer HTC Touch HD but its 3G doesn't work in my country). I was very unsure to choose X1 but as soon as I found XDA has a dedicated section to it I'm now very happy and confident to do it. Thanks XDA!

I was deciding between TouchHD and X1, leaning towards TouchHD due to the onscreen keyboard and TF3D. When I found XDA and saw that I can tweak both in X1, I did not look back!

This my first post here.
I decided to buy the Xperia X1 because of this excellent forum. It´s simply the best smartphone related forum I have visited to this day.
The information and tweaks, ROM development and so on is perfect and it enhances the device on a very nice way.
Keep up the good work!

I was searching for a phone with keyboard, GPS and touchscreen. I was leaning towards the Touch Pro to have support over here at XDA.
When I saw Xperia's specs, I was like OMG... a wvga screen and a metal casing /me wants
I came over here to see what XDA guys thought about the Xperia, and saw Xperia's own forum section Two minutes later, my order was made
Xperia is a cool phone, but when you know XDA, it becomes just fantastic

To be honest these days I would never buy a smartphone without a decent support/community...
Why? Because it's much safer and also - there are NO problem-free devices today!!
And especially with a new platform like WM for me - I would not deduct many things by myself!!
But It'd be the same with any new device for me.

SonyEX1 said:
I bought my X1 before i knew that xda existed
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yup, same thing here

Good question..
I knew about XDA before.. and it sure made it easier to buy the device knowing what comes out of this forum

Without XDA i wouldn't buy a Xperia, i am using XDA for about a year now (HTC Touch). And love the quality of the phones they make. And flahsing roms since i came here.
Without this forum i wouldn't buy a new WM phone because standard they are to slow

So what happens if the X2 is not made by HTC?

Oh man, I really really want the Xperia X2, but I will never get it without the software development and support of XDA.
If Xperia X2 was a mobinnova device like the rumors said it is then are we all done for? You all know that the first mobinnova ice is cheap plastic and design, so not even the Xperia X2 will stand a chance on XDA.

poetryrocksalot said:
Oh man, I really really want the Xperia X2, but I will never get it without the software development and support of XDA.
If Xperia X2 was a mobinnova device like the rumors said it is then are we all done for? You all know that the first mobinnova ice is cheap plastic and design, so not even the Xperia X2 will stand a chance on XDA.
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Well mobinova has nothing to do with SE build quality,
as well as X1's quality is SE, not HTC.
SE usually provides high quality of devices.
But fact - no xda support can be a let down...
I still believe it will find it's way here though...

it'll end up somewhere in the off topic area or general i guess. I wouldnt expect lots of roms and customization like we have for X1 now. We just have to deal with it i guess...

It's a shame...I think XDA is the best place for Windows Mobile.

xda should become winmo dev

Are there any forums that have equal software development except for the whole range of phones? Or will alot of X1 fans start creating an external forum specifically for the development of the X2?

Ooooh, I hope that the X2 is supported here! If the sweet spec leaks are to be believed then I definitely want it to be my next phone!

adeltaY said:
Ooooh, I hope that the X2 is supported here! If the sweet spec leaks are to be believed then I definitely want it to be my next phone!
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i really hope x2 forum is started here too otherwise we will all be seperated like going from primary to secondary school lol and we will all find different forums
plz support x2 xda

I won't buy it.
HTC= XDA = WIN.
mobinova =/= XDA = FAIL.

orelsi said:
I won't buy it.
HTC= XDA = WIN.
mobinova =/= XDA = FAIL.
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Well.
I love XDA.
BUT I wouldn't claim that Lack of support = device does not work.
Good device = working device.
But, of course community is golden....
However I took xda as a big WM lesson,
since I don't use any custom ROM's neither any of unofficial UI.

So what exactly are we going to do if we plan on getting an X2?
It seems like the X2 will have everything we want, atleast everything I want.

Is there some sort of rule written in stone that says only HTC devices are supported on this forum? To me, it would make more sense if this was a WM device forum as opposed to HTC manufactured devices.

WhyBe said:
Is there some sort of rule written in stone that says only HTC devices are supported on this forum? To me, it would make more sense if this was a WM device forum as opposed to HTC manufactured devices.
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I think we should have a system in which everyone can decide if a windows phone is worthy for the XDA List.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502205
It's sort of the same thread, same meaning...
Most of the stuff also already discussed there guys (in general anyway, not specific to X2)
Cheers.

not gonna happen. many have tried before you all failed.
it might be a good idea to post you opinion in the above topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502205

only one thing would stop me from upgrading to x2.
the CPU =qualcomm msm 7200A =Fail
the cpu= snapdragon or samsung S5L8900 or Marvell pxa 168 or nvidia tegra = Win (i am sold)
i am bit disappointed from the x1,3D graphic and the platform is weak for wvga screen (its good for qvga or wqvga).
peace

in the end if the phone is really good i will be getting it even if there is no xda support. u can still use the software in the general development section on it, u will only loose the custom roms (which i dont use) and the tweaks what would be a bummer

does any body knows why xda developers supports only htc devices

There is not even an official announcement and you guys discuss that.
Well, if there is no chance for non htc device, this is it. I won't upgrade anyway. Because of the cpu on the one hand and because no money on the other hand
-.-
I like HTC devices, anyway!

letter to SE CEO has been published today..

check this out:
http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2009/bert-letter-en.shtml
its real ,and he hits the week points of SE

"Real innovations have been substituted by dreams. As a consumer I'm offered rapidly aging and overpriced phones that have no future on the market under the guise of 'state-of-the-art solutions'. Another manifestation of the company's dishonesty was when Sony Ericsson tried to persuade me via weak PR and advertising that these were marvelous products."
end quote.
Well, this guy is nailing it! Spot on! Dishonesty is the right word. Persuasion and promises without any real world backing.
"oh looky looky the X1 with the AMAZING panels that are going to change your everyday live" - oh yeah, it's one year after that and there are a handful of them. I haven't used any of them in months.
"oh looky looky the X2 is simply amazing cutting edge device with the fantastic tile panel" - oh yeah, very amazing with the pathetic old hardware and the annoying panel that is nothing more than a gimmick and is impossible to use on a daily basis.
Haha...

Damn!! This guy's got it spot on!
@nevermind: What was that u said, SE won't be phased if they loose me as a customer? Reality check, u guys are loosing it.
Imagine a current X1 user upgrading to a X2 and realising a couple of hours down the line that he just bought a re-glorified plastic encased X1 with an 8mp camera. lol
I really digged SE but as of late I've, and apparently more SE fanbois really felt as if though we've been cheated with the X1.
So, whatcha gonna do?

With have been cheated with the X2 not X1. Also, nevermind =/= SE.

the thing is how much we are annoyed with the x2, there is not any good phones coming for wm in the foreseeable future and the more i look the more i thing the x2 is the best looking most functional (with its keyboard) and although it lacks the cpu of some devices like the htc leo, the htc devices are so ugly i would never buy it.
it seems that if i get a x2 as a free replacement for my x1 i will be happy but if i dont i am happy to keep my x1 for now as the rest of the wm phones are not as good overall.
i dont really see the need for wm6.5 on the x1 as i have used both and dont think 6.5 is that much better but a r4 firmware update with the new drivers would be nice (although mine x1 is now tuned to be super fast and smooth apart from some games and videos).

Ganondolf said:
the thing is how much we are annoyed with the x2, there is not any good phones coming for wm in the foreseeable future and the more i look the more i thing the x2 is the best looking most functional (with its keyboard) and although it lacks the cpu of some devices like the htc leo, the htc devices are so ugly i would never buy it.
it seems that if i get a x2 as a free replacement for my x1 i will be happy but if i dont i am happy to keep my x1 for now as the rest of the wm phones are not as good overall.
i dont really see the need for wm6.5 on the x1 as i have used both and dont think 6.5 is that much better but a r4 firmware update with the new drivers would be nice (although mine x1 is now tuned to be super fast and smooth apart from some games and videos).
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Keep your X1, I wouldn't bother with X2. I find it a little insulting (at least if the reports of its pricing are true).

Hannigan174 said:
Keep your X1, I wouldn't bother with X2. I find it a little insulting (at least if the reports of its pricing are true).
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lol. i did say i would only get a x2 if they give it to me as a free replacement so it really does not matter how much sony decides to sell it for.

Major anouncement: Sony Ericsson renamed x2, to x1.5!!1

lol where you get that???
xperia 1.5....
why not 1.8 for the 8 mpx camera.
haha sounds funny
look here
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/corporate/products/phoneportfolio

hyellow said:
Major anouncement: Sony Ericsson renamed x2, to x1.5!!1
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lets try not to be childish

hyellow said:
Major anouncement: Sony Ericsson renamed x2, to x1.5!!1
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Please provide proof and links!!

Jasand said:
Please provide proof and links!!
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it obviously was a sneer to SE. Not real! but seriously, if they really called it x1.5 , i would consider buying it, because it'll probably be the only phone to have such a model name/number. And perhaps, x2 is not worth the x2 name, because of the minor improvements over x1. But..... x1.5 was just a joke, c'mon...

I spent a few years with SE's UIQ phones, and a similar thing happened there. Since Sony Ericsson WAS in practice UIQ (apart from one Motorola I think), not only did they terminally underspec the UIQ terminals, they actually killed the UIQ interface, which was a real shame, since it was a very stable and efficient phone OS.
Déjà vu...
If you look at the UIQ forum on my-symbian.com, you will see similar complaints, letters published to CEOs etc. There must be some serious disconnects in SE for this to happen with their flagship range(s).

It's called greed. Also, providing as little as possible and pricing it like a NASA prototype...
...and the poster with the 1.5 was OBVIOUSLY joking...

I hope sony respond positivley to this letter and turn their act around

When has an Internet campaign lead to anything? All these letters, petitions and campaigns are utterly pointless.
The only exception is the bringing back of Jericho, but is just the exception that proves the general rule. Plus, they annoyed the TV execs with the real world sending of nuts and other stuff. Maybe we should send something to SE. Hm... something smelly perhaps?

orelsi said:
When has an Internet campaign lead to anything? All these letters, petitions and campaigns are utterly pointless.
The only exception is the bringing back of Jericho, but is just the exception that proves the general rule. Plus, they annoyed the TV execs with the real world sending of nuts and other stuff. Maybe we should send something to SE. Hm... something smelly perhaps?
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Well its their loss - we only want to help >.<

Do you guys really believe they will ever exchange a broken x1 for an x2? I highly doubt it. I would love to get a x2 that way but i think it will never happen.

Stalix said:
Do you guys really believe they will ever exchange a broken x1 for an x2? I highly doubt it. I would love to get a x2 that way but i think it will never happen.
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Well maybe they will, if the x1's keep falling appart or have other weird issue's like mines that turns blue'ish when sliding open.. the screen cable gets a bit loosy when i slide it open. ( its already been in repairs once for that issue but back then it went off instead of turning blue.. )

orelsi said:
When has an Internet campaign lead to anything? All these letters, petitions and campaigns are utterly pointless.
The only exception is the bringing back of Jericho, but is just the exception that proves the general rule. Plus, they annoyed the TV execs with the real world sending of nuts and other stuff. Maybe we should send something to SE. Hm... something smelly perhaps?
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...aGREED!!

Another dissapointed user - another phone

here appeard many posts like this and sadly I have to say that I want a different android phone, defenetly not SE. They are losing their customers.
What other phone would you recommend? I was thinking about milestone xt720. Maybe there is something more interesting?

Instead of spamming these boards, why don't you go to a board where you can get answers unobjectively. Also, SE already got your money, they don't care if you sell the phone.
These threads are useless and must be deleted at all costs.

iead1 said:
Also, SE already got your money, they don't care if you sell the phone.
These threads are useless and must be deleted at all costs.
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+1! I can understand the frustration, but don't get why people are selling their phones right now, that's just cutting your nose off to spite your face imo.

Well I got rid of mine because I've had enough of SE dragging their heels, I'm running 2.2 on my HD2 and its the best move I have made tbh.
I know SE already have my money, but I didn't see the point of sticking with something I wasn't happy with.
I know its only a phone at the end of the day and all the normal stuff worked, its just SE's policy on providing support, Ohh its ok the users who gave us there hard earned cash can wait for their update as we already have their cash.
I hope the devs can do somethin with the X10 as it is a cracking piece of kit and not worthy of running 1.6.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

Hows that desire HD rom

Here's a thought:
Instead of venting on this board where X10 users and hobbyist developers gather to exchange ideas why not send a wellformulated email to something like SE sales or SE's customer services? Most of us here have no connection to SE other than owning one of their phones. Some of us don't even have a choice and couldn't switch if we wanted to.
Coming here to vent won't really do anything other than piss people off which is kind of counter-productive. Even if some here agree with your views there's not a lot we can do other than trying to do the best we can with what we got.
If you hope to accomplish something or even get SE to recognize your problems then the best way is really to write a proper message to SE explaining your stance. It's a long-shot but there's always a chance that they will listen to the critique and act on it.
*****ing to us X10 users helps no one, most of us don't even care and it just takes up your time.

Just create a thread for all these complainers about leaving their phone yada yada yada. Simple.

I agree, if you don't like then leave and join other forum for the phone you want.
Most phone manufacturers are concern about making money and that is business so no choice.
Leave us alone here as there are some of us who still like our X10 including myself.

chongbh said:
Leave us alone here as there are some of us who still like our X10 including myself.
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Hear, hear. Even though we're stuck on 1.6 for now I still love the display and design of the hardware.

ddewbofh said:
Hear, hear. Even though we're stuck on 1.6 for now I still love the display and design of the hardware.
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Yes, we like and love the phone not because it has updated OS but it is the phone hardware and specs which makes us attracted to it.
Even if the phone is updated with the latest OS like 2.2 or even 3.0 but the outlook of the phone don't look nice or the specs of the hardware is not advance, holding the phone don't makes us feel good as well.
It is the same like cars, even though your car is powerful but the design of the car do not look good, less people will buy it.
Just my sharing.

kubbek said:
here appeard many posts like this and sadly I have to say that I want a different android phone, defenetly not SE. They are losing their customers.
What other phone would you recommend? I was thinking about milestone xt720. Maybe there is something more interesting?
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xt720 is nice but is older than X10.
Slowe CPU too.
And Motorola is locking their devices too.
If you want to switch, at least go to a HTC where you can play with them as much as you want.
The bad part, HTCs are ugly phones

I'm seling my X10 to go for a Captivate.
I know the camera is worse, but at least the bootloader is already hacked so CM6 is the way to go.

tuxStyle said:
xt720 is nice but is older than X10.
Slowe CPU too.
And Motorola is locking their devices too.
If you want to switch, at least go to a HTC where you can play with them as much as you want.
The bad part, HTCs are ugly phones
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Calling them ugly is a bit harsh imo, non-descript is a better name for it. They're basic and they don't stand out. They're sort of like the VW Passat, the design is perfectly fine but also very forgettable at the same time.

iead1 said:
Instead of spamming these boards, why don't you go to a board where you can get answers unobjectively. Also, SE already got your money, they don't care if you sell the phone.
These threads are useless and must be deleted at all costs.
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Delete these threads? Why? Coz you love your x10?
Well good for you, but others don't and this is a forum for discussion and people should be allowed to give negative opinion on a product that has not been delivered as promised.
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jayman1986 said:
Delete these threads? Why? Coz you love your x10?
Well good for you, but others don't and this is a forum for discussion and people should be allowed to give negative opinion on a product that has not been delivered as promised.
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You're right. This board is for discussion. However, do they require a new thread each time?
Hmmm.. you guys obviously wouldn't care much assuming you don't donate to the board to help maintain it. I bet if you did you'd care much more about people who posts useless threads like this.

jayman1986 said:
Delete these threads? Why? Coz you love your x10?
Well good for you, but others don't and this is a forum for discussion and people should be allowed to give negative opinion on a product that has not been delivered as promised.
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I'm pretty sure all the features that were promised on the the box are working fine. Don't get confused with the ramblings you hear on the internet, they are the wants of users, not the promises of se.
I want features such as froyo, 16 million colours, flash etc. as much as anyone, but such things were never promised. And lack of 16 million colours isn't aproblem, you would be hard pressed to see the difference, unless you have a fascination with looking at colour gradients. And no multitouch, even though it has been denied as a feature countless times is a blessing. If there was multitouch you can say goodbye to using the phone one handed. Multitouch gestures are stupid, pointless and annoying.
So if you want to sell your phone, then godspeed to you. But please don't complain to other users that enjoy theirphone, just because you didn't research properly what this phone is capable of.
No offence intended, this is an open discussion and that is my point of view, if you can show evidence of broken promises then be my guest. Delay in 2.1 update doesn't count, release dates for software slip, its a fact of life. Deal with it.
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Calling them ugly is a bit harsh imo, non-descript is a better name for it. They're basic and they don't stand out. They're sort of like the VW Passat, the design is perfectly fine but also very forgettable at the same time.
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IMO a dogs backside could design something more attractive than a desire lol
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Why do some people think others care if they got a new phone LOL. I bet the honeymoon will last no more then a few weeks with their new device, then they will complain about some issues they have with it.
Sony has made some stupid moves IMO but whatever company you go to the situation will be the same. At most you will get one major update and some bugfix updates.

I blew off alot of steam about how the 2.1 update wouldn't even include 16m colors...I then got really pissed about SE delaying our 2.1 update til October. I for sure said some things out of anger....but one thing I remember clearly is that I ditched a Nexus One running 2.2 (froyo) for my X10. I loved my Nexus One, it was truly amazing....but something about the X10 pulled me to it. I find with my X10 I love it more and enjoy it much more than the Nexus One. That said, I know SE pissed alot of people off..including myself....but there's no need to ditch a phone that you know you loved because SE delayed the update. Honestly look at it this way, is your phone going to die? will it not live for another month until 2.1? will you die? can you just give your phone the chance of running 2.1 before you are so quick to judge....maybe just MAYBE!! SE are being secretive about something in the update...maybe not. But I have a damn good feeling when 2.1 drops to the X10 some people will be coming back to it....because SE will get there **** together and really deliver on this. If im wrong, then you can flame me. People have just a little more patience for the update.
just my two cents

NightSidew1nd3r;
So if you want to sell your phone said:
Well firstly he's not specifically aiming it at people who are happy with their phone, cox there are many who are unhappy.
And research properly before you buy?- like I replied to another SE fanboy on another thread, I bought my phone in March and SE did not make anything clear when phone releasing the phone- everything was rumours. And at that time all mobile phone sources were hinting an update to 2.1 before summer.
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Thanks and goodbye

I would like to thank everyone who helped me with the x10 feedbacks, i know u guys did it to avoid me suffering on SE hands what u guys suffered. I sent the X10 package back, and paid the difference of an Galaxy S t959, that i think i cant go wrong.
I let my best wish for you guys, and at least u made SE lose one customer, even before buying the phone.
Thanks again. Ruben

Bye
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Sorry to hear the negativity scared you off It is a great phone.. I haven't used the samsung though so I can't comment, but at least you will probably actually get updates lol

Did you look at the Arc, or are you turned off on SE in general? Although you wouldn't know it by looking in the xda forums, but SE is supporting the X10 like any other Android. It seems standard in the industry that every Android phone gets ONE major OS upgrade, and other smaller ones along the way. The X10 just happens to have already gotten its update, while Android released two new updates in the meantime, making our new update already dated. Android shouldn't be releasing updates this fast in the future, and we've all (including SE) learned our lesson about getting a phone with a dated OS to start with.
Also, for future knowledge in the Galaxy forums regarding posting etiquette....You should have posted your farewell in the other thread you already started on this subject called "Hi", because this is not a new topic or discussion. Only start a new thread as a last resort.Especially ones that are not useful to other members. You may think you are saving yourself time by starting a new thread, but instead you are taking time from everyone else by filling the forums with more fluff for people to filter through.
Please don't take this the wrong way. Trust me, other people won't be as polite about it. In fact they can be rude and degrading, but the point is valid. In order for everyone to enjoy xda, we all need to do our part to keep it clean, organized, and useful.
For a full description of xda rules on posting read the stickie titled something like "Stop!!! Thinking about posting? Read this first!!! "

Goodbye. I'm sure your experiences with the Galaxy will be a lot better than what you would of have with the X10. However, it is for certain, once everything is cracked and sorted out, the X10 *will* be considered a great phone compared to others

If it weren't for XDA the X10 would be a pile of crap. Fortunately there are some great people here who have released much of the X10's potential, unlike SE.
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shoby said:
If it weren't for XDA the X10 would be a pile of crap. Fortunately there are some great people here who have released much of the X10's potential, unlike SE.
Sent from my toilet
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If it weren't for XDA most of the devices would be crap, talking about my experience with Galaxy Tab and HTC desire
Sent from my X10i using XDA Premium App

mj_qat said:
if it weren't for xda most of the devices would be crap, talking about my experience with galaxy tab and htc desire
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+100000000000000000000

agentJBM said:
Did you look at the Arc, or are you turned off on SE in general? Although you wouldn't know it by looking in the xda forums, but SE is supporting the X10 like any other Android. It seems standard in the industry that every Android phone gets ONE major OS upgrade, and other smaller ones along the way. The X10 just happens to have already gotten its update, while Android released two new updates in the meantime, making our new update already dated. Android shouldn't be releasing updates this fast in the future, and we've all (including SE) learned our lesson about getting a phone with a dated OS to start with.
Also, for future knowledge in the Galaxy forums regarding posting etiquette....You should have posted your farewell in the other thread you already started on this subject called "Hi", because this is not a new topic or discussion. Only start a new thread as a last resort.Especially ones that are not useful to other members. You may think you are saving yourself time by starting a new thread, but instead you are taking time from everyone else by filling the forums with more fluff for people to filter through.
Please don't take this the wrong way. Trust me, other people won't be as polite about it. In fact they can be rude and degrading, but the point is valid. In order for everyone to enjoy xda, we all need to do our part to keep it clean, organized, and useful.
For a full description of xda rules on posting read the stickie titled something like "Stop!!! Thinking about posting? Read this first!!! "
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How can u recommend Arc to an X10's unsatisfied user? both are basically the same and SE must be the loser here. X10 is a good phone probably yes but I cannot understand yet what happen to the idiot led light feature still not flashing like on my old nokia N80... Htc g1 was upgraded something from 1.5 to 2.2 passing through revisions and it seem 2.3 is next to be the released.... I'm trying to be realist nothing more. I've an x10 just because there wasn't option to buy another brand but I will never buy Arc even when SE would announce about permanent Os upgrades. If you want me to buy another SE device upgrade X10 first, then when it get outdated I will buy next generation Xperia may be dualcore or later.

xnewser said:
How can u recommend Arc to an X10's unsatisfied user? both are basically the same and SE must be the loser here. X10 is a good phone probably yes but I cannot understand yet what happen to the idiot led light feature still not flashing like on my old nokia N80... Htc g1 was upgraded something from 1.5 to 2.2 passing through revisions and it seem 2.3 is next to be the released.... I'm trying to be realist nothing more. I've an x10 just because there wasn't option to buy another brand but I will never buy Arc even when SE would announce about permanent Os upgrades. If you want me to buy another SE device upgrade X10 first, then when it get outdated I will buy next generation Xperia may be dualcore or later.
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He wasn't an unsatisfied user. He returned his X10 new after asking for advice here on xda. I myself said that while I LOVE my X10a, I wouldn't get one this late in the game unless he gets a new phone every 6 months because of how fast this technology is developing.
Thanks to the OP starting a new thread to say "goodbye", you missed the whole conversation in his other thread titled "Hi" started just a few days ago....
So too bad. This is not another bash SE thread, but good try

Once the bootloader is cracked, you will want an X10

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He wasn't an unsatisfied user. He returned his X10 new after asking for advice here on xda. I myself said that while I LOVE my X10a, I wouldn't get one this late in the game unless he gets a new phone every 6 months because of how fast this technology is developing.
Thanks to the OP starting a new thread to say "goodbye", you missed the whole conversation in his other thread titled "Hi" started just a few days ago....
So too bad. This is not another bash SE thread, but good try
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It is never too late to talk about SE idiotic politics to get people scared to stay with them... You have suggested Arc and stated about every company is offering same upgrade service, it wasn't true, it was too bad and a mere good try.

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It is never too late to talk about SE idiotic politics to get people scared to stay with them... You have suggested Arc and stated about every company is offering same upgrade service, it wasn't true, it was too bad and a mere good try.
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Name one android that has gotten 2 major OS upgrades.

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Name one android that has gotten 2 major OS upgrades.
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HTC Desire, launched with 2.1 is now officially on 2.2.1 and is about to get 2.3.

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Name one android that has gotten 2 major OS upgrades.
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HTC G1 is on 2.2 right now and could get 2.3 soon...
Definitively HTC is the best android partner and next to be offered by my telcom...

if the bootloader gets crackd as we heard famous geohot working on it
http://www.xperiax10.net/2011/03/04/geohot-buys-an-xperia-x10-to-hack/
(4.20)
il buy X10 again

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HTC G1 is on 2.2 right now and could get 2.3 soon...
Definitively HTC is the best android partner and next to be offered by my telcom...
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OK, well it's a first. HTC should be setting this new standard. They have the longest and best relationship with Google. HTC manufacturers phones for them.

I will say good bye to x10 if just know which phone better. Just have to wait for experts to review new arc,neo,pro.
GN Multimedia - X10i

And being picky.. Neither of those phones have yet had the upgrades you mentioned.. So the answer is still 'none'! HTC should be ahead of the curve though.. They've been in this game longer Than anyone else.
Sent from my X10 using XDA and Swype.

Moto Atrix
Smart man! As a consumer, you deserve freedom in the complete context and spirit of open source, even by law are supposedly guaranteed this right in terms of firmware, from ignition (power up the rom, boot load the firmware) to application functionality and presentation, you should be able to do what you will to YOUR phone, being it is an Open source device - primary selling point.
HTC, Motorola and others do this very well, so much better! Atrix has my money with the Tegra 2 dual core, 48gb storage, Gorilla glass, 1080p recording and playback and that awesome netbook to dock the device with running gnome abd from what I understand, virtual box and in effect, OS/X or Windows 7!
Stick your half pie camera and bravia marketing crap in your tight pie holes Sony! If I want a camera, I can get one that is a zillion times better than a phone for a lot less than your Arc, Neo, Pro or Play... haha ****a!
Sony lack vision to grasp open source. They have no place in Android and anyone with half a clue, knows this +1