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A Open E-Mail to Sony Ericsson from a Fan

PLEASE NOTE: THIS THREAD IS CREATED BECAUSE I SINCERLY LIKE SE AND NOT FOR BASHING SE. IF YOU WANT TO TROLL OR BASH SE CREATE A NEW THREAD
Dear Sony,
I am one of your avid Fan. Right from the beginning I was using SE phones only. To Mention a few I have used F500i, J230, K750, W810i, K810i, W980, W705 and now X10. So as you can see I was using SE right from 2004. I can say “If you have Once used Sony Erricson, you will always use SonyEricsson”.
Let me be very clear. I love you so much. I have defended SE in many forums from many trolls and iSheep bashers for many years. I did this because I love SE and I believe you will always gives me what is best out there.
But off late you are not living up to your fans belief. What the is wrong with you?
The last master piece from you was W810i. After that all your products disappoint me. K810i, W910i and W980i all of them were total disappointment for me. Off late all your products follow a certain approach, you will announce a very good product and then there will tremendous delays in bringing it to the market, after that i will have many software bugs and hardware failures. So before the product becomes complete it will become outdated..
If you refuse to believe I will give you proof.
Do you know W810i was announced in Feb ’06 and availability was Mar ’06.
K810i was announced in Feb’07 and availability was Apr 07.
W980 was announced in Feb’ 08 and availability was Aug 08.
W705 was announced in Oct’ 08 and availability was May 09.
Satio was announced in Feb’09 and availability was Nov ’09.
And Xperia X1, X2 and X10 every kid knows its delays and bugs.
What happened to you SE? There were long delays. Even after delays none of these phones lived up to its hype ( W980,W705, Satio and X10). You were the first to announce many technologies (8MP, 12MP camera, snapdragon with android phone, even 4" screen) but you were the last to bring it to the market with sky high prices. Where is my Old SE? where I can get all latest tech in a budget phone? Where are you SE?
And Like a Crown for all your failure, the X10 2.1 update. When other are pushing to bring 2.2 for their flag ship device, you cant even bring 2.1 to your Flag ship phone. Instead of bringing 2.2, you are back porting live wallpaper and 5 home screens to 1.6.
WHY THE HELL YOU ARE RE-INVENTING THE WHEEL?
Stop wasting your precious resources in back porting things. Move more resource to bring 2.2 to X10. If you cant alteast please open the bootloader.
X10 had everything to make you success but you missed it.. Good Design, Good Hardware (at Nov '09 nobody had this hardware) and Good Name (You have loyal fan base) and Perfect time (Think if it had been released during Christmas time).
X10 could have been your own iPhone or Droid. It could have been your golden egg but you missed it. What going on in your mind SE? If I can think all these, cant the armani wearing million dollar salaried EO's think? Have you lost it?
We have defended you so long SE but you are now disappointing us more. You even embarrass us by saying you turned down google (X10 as Nexus one would have been epic). Please don’t cheat us more SE. We love you but there is a limit for our patience. If you keep cheating us then Even God (I believe he is there) cant save you.
All I can say is please bring out Froyo update for X10 soon and with no bugs (We dont want 1000 new features we just want Bug less phone). After all you are a more talented company and you certainly deserve a second chance like Moto.
Please SE don’t disappoint us again and save yourself from bankruptcy. Please Make us Believe
---- A sincere, beaten, disappointed and embarrassed Sony Ericsson Fan .

A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language.
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class.
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets.
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market.
Good day sir!

Another point god or gods do not exist, therefore offer no threat.
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iead1 said:
A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language. - Removed
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class. -- Removed
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2 - What I ment was they are back porting 2.1 features to 1.6 - Ambient time app
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets. But Total cost of ownership for a not so high end is high compared to other high end phones. This will be the thought of a average guy
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market. I agree. If they could had made things perfect like releasing with 2.1 and in december, they could have sold Millions in other countries too
Good day sir!
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Good day to you too sir

Tasteslikeawesome said:
Another point god or gods do not exist, therefore offer no threat.
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I believe he is there But no Offense (Original post edited to reflect my view)
IF some one could send this to SE CEO, I would be glad. Or If you can pm me his mail-id, I will send it myself.
Thanks

No offense but what do you think you reach by sending this kind of letter to a CEO? No matter which company he is leading, this really is a "straight in the dustbin" letter for those managers...
Again no offense, you wrote down what you think, but I want to bet he don't read till the half of it, to try that out, you might put in the last sentence something about him having an affair with a dead horse, if you dont get anything back, I proved my point....
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Gotta agree with PollPixx.
imo they don't go past the subject of e-mails... snail mail is a thing of past.
moreover they don't go over this stuff personally but their PA's etc do... separate the junk out and send in the "really important" stuff... but only god knows what that is (apart from them )

Looking away from the language, it is a fine letter to SE.
I have also only had SE phones private, starting with the old
Ericsson 318, Erisson t68
t280, t610, k530, k750, k810, k850
c905
w595, w715, w760
x10, x10 mini, x10 mini pro
My 3 kids have all had SE W595 and now they all have X10 mini.
Also i have only used SE for work in many years, currently i have a x10 mini pro...
At work it have been me that have decided what phones we have bought and used for the last 3-4 years, so i have been the main reason that we have only bought SE phones...
- that is over 250 SE phones all together, at work...
(I know that it is NOTHING in the big picture looking from SE headquarters, still it must count for something)
In this answer i just want to ad my own dissapointment thoug...
The main problems is that the big X10 is missing the FM-radio, missing the better headset connection and missing the one finger zoom, while the two cheap small X10 mini models have those things.
What is that about SE ?
Why have you decided to make 3 different X10 series phones, and then at the same time make the TOP model, the one with the weakest features ?
I am really dissapointed with you SE, the lack of updates, the missing features in the X10 top model.
From (i think it was) the old T610, or was it K750, and all the way up to now, my SE phones have allways had FM radio build in, and that was for me a loved feature, then you decide to release the X10 without FM Radio, and after that you again decide to put in FM radio in the mini´s ??
I know i didn´t read close enough in the specs when i bought my X10, but i really was expecting that there would be FM radio in an SE phone, and offcource there would be in the top model, no question about that. What a dissapointment !
An other lack is that tracker (step counter) that was build in i think all the newer phones eg. W595 and W715, now with X10 i again see a loved feature removed, why ?
I find it strange that good working features that SE implement in your phones, is removed again from newer phones.
Features that actually IS the SE brand, features that we learn to love and use every day, you decide to remove.
Why ?
I don´t get the point in making that huge effort to make a few nice new features like timescape and mediascape, and becource of those features you have been left behind, and are currently stock on Android 1,6, and right now we all are waiting for S/E-Android 2.1,, ONLY Android 2,1 when other companies like HTC are moving away from Android 2.1 and on to Android 2.2...
S/E why not release Android 2.2 fast and be the leader in the marked.
Then let people decide for them self IF they want the S/E signature-features like TimeScape and MediaScape when you have those ready later.
Just make new features avalible from your fine PlayNOW system just like you did with CreaTouch.
Why have you at the same time decided to lock down the bootloader of the X10 when Android is a brand new OS you are just learning ??
- release the bootloader now, and look what happen, learn from it and then when you are actually doing a better job coding the OS than other DEV´s on the www, you can decide if you again will lock down bootloaders in your future android phones.
At the moment it make no sense at all, not to let your dev-team learn all they can about what can be done with the hardware you have made.
The hardware is actually really great, and solid build, it is "only" the software that is the problem...
Now i move on to the strange thing about wide range of current phone models you have on the marked.
Why that many, is that really nessesserry at all, really ??
Why not make an effort to be the absolutly best there is on a mutch smaller range of phones, only focus on a few models, perhaps only android phones, as you have said that you want to be world leaders in Android powered phones in a few years anyway.
As i see it you only need one X10 model more to have a complete set of phones, so there will be at least one that souit everyone.
Add one more X10 mini and make it with an old style slide out t9 keyboard.
At last.
I have also been thinking about jumping over to an other brand, and perhaps also look for other phones next time we need some at work, as i am that dissapointed with SE...
But private i find my self thinking that i perhaps just should wait and get the X12 when that is released...
Can i really be that stupid, REALLY ???
- dispite my dissapointment with SE, really ???
SE you are SO lucky that you have a big and loving fan base...
At work i KNOW that SE have the best hardware and the lack of features i mentioned here is no problem in work use...
Again SE you are REALLY lucky that you have a big loving fan base...
Just DON`T dissapoint us anymore !

senthilanandhpv said:
I believe he is there But no Offense (Original post edited to reflect my view)
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He? Why would a god need to have a specific gender? They would have no use for it.
Anyway i dont think religious dribble should be in an email like that to a company. Makes you look like a bit of a fruit cake.

pshdo said:
An other lack is that tracker (step counter) that was build in i think all the newer phones eg. W595 and W715, now with X10 i again see a loved feature removed, why ?
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I won't bother replying to the rest...but, my X10 has one.
It's called the Android Market, you can download anything, including pedometers.

At least they all look familiar and have similar sounding names - X5, X8, X10, X10 mini, X10 mini pro. SE are trying to satisfy each segment of the market, just like their competitors HTC, Samsung, Motorola and Nokia do.
@iead1
Is there something you're not telling us? Like who you work for.

Please dont embarass yourself. Your grammar is atrocious.

How about buying an AD on newspaper, and then I'm sure the SE CEO will see this.

sony in general is a big comany, my family has been buying sony things for at least 20 years (got an old and really old stereo which still works o.0)
they always had the best things in the marker, we even say if it's a sony is good
in the past I never used SE, just used nokia or motorola but when i saw the x1 i just felt in love, but when I knew that no wm 6.5 would arrive to it i was so pissed we paid a lot for it to get nothing more, same applies for the x10
i know companies want to get more profits but where's the customer's satisfaction? they use to think that is better to have loyal customers for a long term instead of just having a lot for few months (kinda the thing is going on today)

Contrarian said:
@iead1
Is there something you're not telling us? Like who you work for.
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I work for a local board of education, in the mountains of rural Kansai Japan.
Want me to take a picture of my desk with my X10?

iead1 said:
I work for a local board of education, in the mountains of rural Kansai Japan.
Want me to take a picture of my desk with my X10?
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does that mean SE JP HQ??? xD jk

alankstiyo said:
does that mean SE JP HQ??? xD jk
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I wish! I'd be making more money than I do now!

iead1 said:
I won't bother replying to the rest...but, my X10 has one.
It's called the Android Market, you can download anything, including pedometers.
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Yes, but those on marked is far from working as good as the one in eg. w715...
- and if you was actually using it, you would know that ;-)
Anything ?
- then throw me a link to an fm radio application for the x10, or to one finger zoom perhaps, or to any of the other things that the x10 don't have, that the mini's and all the old SE phones have... *LOL*
Send from my X10, still without 2.1 *&%#

I think that the live wall paper and home screens reference has to do with the SE Japan release of Ambientime which has 5 home screens, pseudocode live wallpapers and a new lock/unlock swipe which is more animated.
That app looks like work that was done as an assessment of the phone's potential to do live wallpapers. It's sort of interesting even if it makes the phone laggy and lockup.
iead1 said:
A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language.
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class.
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets.
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market.
Good day sir!
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don't know if it'll install but here you go

Pocket-Lint.com - SE says "We've made mistakes, 2011 we'll be better"

“The first generation of handsets in our portfolio was about getting the capability out there”, Steve Walker (Acting) global head of marketing for Sony Ericsson told Pocket-lint, in a one-to-one interview at CES in Las Vegas.
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“Last year we didn’t anticipate the strength of feeling that consumers would have towards the Android release. And again that was a learning experience of the first year of mass market Android smartphones”.
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Here's the full article: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37869/sony-ericsson-2010-mistakes-made#ixzz1AqoY2JHm
Don't forget to post your comments for SE on the Pocket-Lint site.

I actually do have faith in SE handling their software better with the Arc and such, it just doesn't benefit me at all since I'm married to my X10 at least for the next couple of years or so. I dunno, everything I've felt is necessary to say about their current lineup is said already, it's nice to see SE admitting themselves that they failed. Even though their attitude is more like "We f'ed up, buy our new phone so that we can make up for it", than "Sorry we f'ed up, please enjoy our improved support for the X10 lineup in the year 2011!"

I should not read this :/ wrrrr...
“If we hadn’t done what we did with the X10 and the X10 minis we wouldn’t have been able to do what we’ve done here today”
M****r f****r :/

Tl;dr version - Lol congratz x10 owners you are officially our Guinea pig idiots, THATS what you get for trusting us to follow up on promises. Oh well right? No hard feelings k? thnxbai

ooidort said:
... it's nice to see SE admitting themselves that they failed. Even though their attitude is more like "We f'ed up, buy our new phone so that we can make up for it", than "Sorry we f'ed up, please enjoy our improved support for the X10 lineup in the year 2011!"
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This sums it up pretty well.
ledn said:
M****r f****r :/
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But, so does this.

bah. If they were sorry they would release the bootloader.

This only throws more wood in the fire.
Oh SE, you keep doing it wrong... And I still had a little hope...

kindred7 said:
bah. If they were sorry they would release the bootloader.
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Basically.

It's not news that they were wrong...
It would be nice to know they're going to make it right...
but they aint.

Hi, SE,how about giving us froyo + gingerbread or giving us all an Xperia Arc since X10 owners were all shafted?

Basically saying:
"Thanks to be beta-testers, dear users of X10-families. Now goodbye, but meanwhile please enjoy our half-arsed pathetic attempt in Android until it's dead, coz we don't care about old stuff no more now we got the Awesome Arc. Once again, thanks"

"we've made mistakes ".... saying that is the mistake... so that's mean buying x10 is a wrong thing and you should not buy x10 or x8 or mini because it's a mistake ... will i got SE something ... for me trusting SE was a mistake .

My usual,
SE, may Death be bestowed on you.
PUI...........

SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...

having looked at the new lg/htc/droid phones that are appearing in the very near future I reckon as usual sony is starting from behind, should be called xperia x10 v1.0
bet they wont unlock the bootloader either cos its probably the same code for all their new released phones.

coipu1234 said:
having looked at the new lg/htc/droid phones that are appearing in the very near future I reckon as usual sony is starting from behind, should be called xperia x10 v1.0
bet they wont unlock the bootloader either cos its probably the same code for all their new released phones.
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witch one "X10 , Mini , pro & X8" are outdated :s the arc is not on the Market
, we choose the bad brand and our dev try to give us some light with root and custom rom , i dont understand if Zdishu , Jerpelea & ... from XDA are able to develop 2.2 , 2.3 android rom , with good ressources they could do that perfectly pfff SE S**k

roaringhere said:
SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...
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Got to agree there with u. And neither would I be suggesting this phone to any1 again. Sure it feels nice to see ppl admiring the x10 but what's the use if it ain't up to date. A smartphone that's not even a phone :'(
God damn SE atleast unlock the friggin' bootloader. x-(
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Screwing over your early adopters is a poor long term strategy.

D-Trixxx said:
Screwing over your early adopters is a poor long term strategy.
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Not when long-term is defined as a fiscal year.

roaringhere said:
SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...
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I can't agree with this... maybe earlier it was like that, ppl never know about updates, and didn't care much, but now with all this Android hype, more and more people are talking about Android, Froyo, games, MT and stuff, they all are aware of this. And looking how HTC updates their cheap phones like Wildfire and Tatto to froyo... they will ask how come they don't have Froyo on top model SE phone
I'm sure that SE will get what it deserves..

Ditching SE if no froyo/cracked bootloader to X10 ??

After being heard about such an awful official announcement made by such a trusted company like SE, we, all the SE customers for decades have broke trust on SE for its cheap marketting tricks and don't-give-a-damm-to-the-customers attitude of SE. So, I hope this thread can show the newbies how cunning SE can be and how their valuable toys can effect with SE's poor support to the customers. Despite being state-of-the-art technology used in X10 Arc, I wanna know how many wounded SE customers want to ditch SE here on because atleast this thread should help the potential buyers of X10 Arc in deciding whether to go for X10 Arc or save themselves from being a victim of SE once again.
So, Guys if you are one of those victims of X10/X10mini/X8 .etc , Let us show SE how much its poor decision can cost, Show them how many of us will ditch SE here on.

I'm gonna ditch SE for Apple. Apple iphone 3g despite being 3 years old , It has received all the support for so long until the hardware limits were reached , This is what called True software support. I really admire apple for this dedication to customer's satisfaction and I'm thinking to ditch SE for Apple. My next phone will be iPhone 5 without any doubts!

samsung infussssssssssssssssssssse

Ok. Bye bye. We'll have 1 less whiner to complain from now on =)
*shows you to the door*

loneLEE said:
Ok. Bye bye. We'll have 1 less whiner to complain from now on =)
*shows you to the door*
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+++++1

Geez, another one

lol ditching the x10 for an ifail 3g???
crack must be cheap where your at...
sent from my 2.2 x10 aosp

ok these threads are starting to become really stupid, if you dont like the fact that the bootloader hasnt been cracked yet, well big damn deal, you spent your money, maybe next time thats a lesson learned to do more research and be patient! besides how really important is it to you? regardless if the bootloader has been cracked or not, it wont over power the new devices coming out every 3-6 months

the SE Arc is awesome but still ... after what happened with the x10 i don't think i'm going back and buy another SE trash . i've been a fan of se since K800

hemo1001 said:
the SE Arc is awesome but still ... after what happened with the x10 i don't think i'm going back and buy another SE trash . i've been a fan of se since K800
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SE dont care abt X10 now as ARC is released, in future they wont care abt ARC when some new model DOME will be out

the irony of someone saying they are leaving SE because the bootloader is not cracked and the going on to say how awesome iFones are has made my day. i have not laughed so hard in quite a while!!
cya, enjoy being able to install whatever you want on your ifone....oh wait

mrtim123 said:
the irony of someone saying they are leaving SE because the bootloader is not cracked and the going on to say how awesome iFones are has made my day. i have not laughed so hard in quite a while!!
cya, enjoy being able to install whatever you want on your ifone....oh wait
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by the way, Samsung is planning to bring the bootloader to their devices now

This will in no way affect the masses, us forum creepers and geeks is hardly noticable in their sales statistic, i will probably get a SE again only becouse they make the absolute most beutiful phones, the most stable software and judging from their word about the Arc they really did listen all the critisism! Cheers
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Coming from a 3g, I followed, bought at launch and then eventually sold the X10 4 months after purchasing.
It was such a shame as the design and build were solid. I ended up trading it in for a desire and now I have a dhd.
I check back in with this forum from time to time, and realise that selling the x10 was the right decision (for me at least) , as both desire and dhd are able to run both 2.2 and 2.3(unofficially). They also have the features that we were told the x10 was to get but never did. However I still find them ugly by comparison.
The arc does look like an impressive piece of kit, but so do LG and Moto's 2011offerings. Also with the developments planned for android this year, I'm not sure if I want to be burned again by SE.
Their OS update offerings were not well timed!

Closing this thread as its completely pointless

effective strategy to get X10 updates to 2.2, 2.3, & beyond

I have begun posting comments every time I find an article on SonyEricsson's Xperia arc advising consumers looking for phones to take into consideration SE's current history of updates for the existing Xperia X10 series which are all still under contract. If a lot of us just continue doing this, then SonyEricsson will see these comments -- and consumers will think twice about getting a SE phone when there are other choices available.
Below is what I wrote on a couple of recent articles on the Xperia arc. Please feel free to amend this to suit your purposes. Also, please improve on my attempt and post your scripts for other people to post -- and provide links to some of the high traffic sites. Because SonyEricsson really is demonstrating its commitment now, spreading these messages really does have promise to force SonyEricsson to change course -- if they want to continue selling phones!
With contracts being typically 2 years, SonyEricsson's decision to abandon updates to the Xperia X10 series in less than one year is disgraceful, especially with the benefits of 2.2 (adobe flash, install to SD, processor optimizations, etc.).
And with SonyEricsson demonstrating this attitude with the existing, high-performance Xperia X10 series (which is more than capable of running 2.2, 2.3, and later), why would anyone trust them to do any different on the new Xperia arc?
The meaning of SonyEricsson's choices now are obvious to informed consumers: if you want to get the improvements to your phone that come from new versions of android, avoid SonyEricsson. HTC and others have a *much better* track record for providing updates to their customers.
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omg, people are tired of this ****.
/Close thread please.

Are you braindead enough to think that SE doesn't know we would like newer Android versions?
They're a business, not a charity. They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that.

If we just sit here and take it, then SE will be content to dish it out. If, otoh, we even appear to be able to dissuade new customers from going with SE, then they will support us because it is in SE's interest.
That. is. simple.

Better get to work then. Samsung ain't doing so hot with updates either. HTC has stopped with their older phones as well. Motorola has ignored a lot of its non-Verizon Droids.
What's left? The iPhone?

iead1 said:
Better get to work then. Samsung ain't doing so hot with updates either. HTC has stopped with their older phones as well. Motorola has ignored a lot of its non-Verizon Droids.
What's left? The iPhone?
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Pretty much this. I'm all for complaining, but if you want up-to-date software, you have two choices: iphone or nexus.
I don't think that it's wasted effort to complain. How else would companies know how to service their customers better? Personally, I've given up on pretty much every manufacturer. As much as I hate apple, I'm pretty tempted to get an iphone if they were compatible with T-mobile's 3g just for the continued support because I'm not super happy with the design of the nexus line.

i try to do this in many facebook post under SE`s pages.
it better than nothing

Great another idiotic thread.
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iead1 said:
Are you braindead enough to think that SE doesn't know we would like newer Android versions?
They're a business, not a charity. They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that.
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Old phone?
It was launched in March 2010.

the funniest thing about these threads are the people that go on to say... "Great another idiotic thread"
or
"Are you braindead enough to think that SE doesn't know we would like newer Android versions? They're a business, not a charity. They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that."
If you really think these things are that stupid, why do you even bother clicking on them when it clearly states what the thread is about... in this case anyway. Are you guys really that big of losers in life that you can't go by on the internet without clicking every single thread or do you just have that much time on your hands?
Either way i am sure some of us have come to a conclusion as to who the actual "idiot" or "braindead" is.
Oh and may i suggest some charity work if you have too much time on your hands?

Not a bad intention, but all these efforts are useless to "fight" against this. SE won't do things in the way people want. None of the other companies either will.
So why just don't give up and buy Arc? SE will happy for getting your $$$ preference again, and you'll be happy too 'cause you'll be in the top of the trend and with a phone with Gingerbread, the newest Android version. END.
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Seriously, this has been discussed enough already.

I agree the entitlement generation needs to stop crying. However, threads like this one offer a solution to the problem, which I would support. Freedom of speech has been effective in creating change all over the world and throughout history. You cant change anything if you don't try. Those of you who post to close this thread are doing the same thing, just counterproductive.
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just why bother? if they did (for whatever reason) decide to release a SE 2.2 or above, it would be so full of bloatware that any benefit would be gone anyway. ive been running zdzihu's 2.2 froyo ROM for ages on mine, and there is a 2.3 gingerbread ROM that Jerpelea has made out even. Yes they are beta, or even alpha, but even if SE said yep we are doing it, they would take another 6 months to get it out - dont you think the custom 2.2, 2.3 would be just about perfect by then?
support the DEVS, not the global companies
stuff SE - i hate there roms anyway!

iead1 said:
Better get to work then. Samsung ain't doing so hot with updates either. HTC has stopped with their older phones as well. Motorola has ignored a lot of its non-Verizon Droids.
What's left? The iPhone?
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define old phones
if you say a 3 years old phone ok then it's ok not a phone with less thn 1 year of life span

alankstiyo said:
define old phones
if you say a 3 years old phone ok then it's ok not a phone with less thn 1 year of life span
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This device is good. It's freakin sexy. It's capable of running Froyo and Gingerbread. Until the new SE devices come out, this is their flagship phone.
I repeat, this phone is sexy, even next to the Arc, it still looks sexy and relevant. The innards are still relevant.
I don't understand why it's being treated like the SE bastard child.

We're in the driver's seat. Why not grab the wheel?
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I don't understand why it's being treated like the SE bastard child.
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Because SonyEricsson is gambling they can get away with it.
The mass of users typically just complain to each other after they've already got the device and seen its limitations. "I'll never buy another one of their products!" But that is where it ends. Flashy ads for new products can overcome that kind of friction from scattered individuals.
But SonyEricsson needs good press to sell their new phones, and if the current users of SE phones are telling everyone in the venues promoting the new phones how SE is refusing to update what they have now, potential customers will be turned away.
Maybe this hasn't happened before because there was no android OS to make this all so transparent. Now it is easy for everyone to understand. New customers and old all speak the same language: android! If SE has current devices that are technically capable and they aren't keeping them up to date, why would they do so with their next device? They won't. The arc still has the Timescape and Mediascape cruft that is making the updates so hard; that hasn't changed. And the arc is going to have a single-core processor when the competitors will be pushing out phones with dual-cores. SE will predictably move from the arc as soon as they can and shift all their focus to the next phone. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
SE is in a pattern of peddling near non-update-able phones. We just have to say that often enough, and they will change -- period.
And with the limited number of high-volume review sites, just one person would make a difference. A dozen or so posting thoughtful messages would be able to keep the issue visible on all the top-tier sites. A few hundred customers searching and posting just a few times a week each would keep the issue front and center on virtually every site of importance to SonyEricsson. SE would hope the protest would fizzle. But why would we undercut ourselves like lead1, "They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that" and caifanX10, "So why just don't give up and buy Arc? SE will happy for getting your $$$ preference again"?
The kind of protest I'm talking about here is easy to do; it has motivated, dissatisfied customers steaming now; and SE can't really get around it. We are in charge; we merely need to do something.

this is a young phone (less than a year old) with old software (more than a year old OS)
I agree with the Update, some products are still on support after several years on the market, the idea of support is to patch the vulnerabilities and improve the overall performance. If SE can do it with available Android OS why not?

shonangreg said:
Because SonyEricsson is gambling they can get away with it.
The mass of users typically just complain to each other after they've already got the device and seen its limitations. "I'll never buy another one of their products!" But that is where it ends. Flashy ads for new products can overcome that kind of friction from scattered individuals.
But SonyEricsson needs good press to sell their new phones, and if the current users of SE phones are telling everyone in the venues promoting the new phones how SE is refusing to update what they have now, potential customers will be turned away.
Maybe this hasn't happened before because there was no android OS to make this all so transparent. Now it is easy for everyone to understand. New customers and old all speak the same language: android! If SE has current devices that are technically capable and they aren't keeping them up to date, why would they do so with their next device? They won't. The arc still has the Timescape and Mediascape cruft that is making the updates so hard; that hasn't changed. And the arc is going to have a single-core processor when the competitors will be pushing out phones with dual-cores. SE will predictably move from the arc as soon as they can and shift all their focus to the next phone. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
SE is in a pattern of peddling near non-update-able phones. We just have to say that often enough, and they will change -- period.
And with the limited number of high-volume review sites, just one person would make a difference. A dozen or so posting thoughtful messages would be able to keep the issue visible on all the top-tier sites. A few hundred customers searching and posting just a few times a week each would keep the issue front and center on virtually every site of importance to SonyEricsson. SE would hope the protest would fizzle. But why would we undercut ourselves like lead1, "They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that" and caifanX10, "So why just don't give up and buy Arc? SE will happy for getting your $$$ preference again"?
The kind of protest I'm talking about here is easy to do; it has motivated, dissatisfied customers steaming now; and SE can't really get around it. We are in charge; we merely need to do something.
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How do you expect anyone to believe or support someone who doesn't know what he's talking about?
There will be NO mediascape in ARC
SINGLE-CORE is available in GOOGLE's FLAGSHIP, so any dual-core is just to attract people who are easy to attract with the ( 4G-dualcore ) stuff
Have you actually seen the changes made in the ARC?
2.2 is a waste of time

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I have begun posting comments every time I find an article on SonyEricsson's Xperia arc advising consumers looking for phones to take into consideration SE's current history of updates for the existing Xperia X10 series which are all still under contract. If a lot of us just continue doing this, then SonyEricsson will see these comments -- and consumers will think twice about getting a SE phone when there are other choices available.
Below is what I wrote on a couple of recent articles on the Xperia arc. Please feel free to amend this to suit your purposes. Also, please improve on my attempt and post your scripts for other people to post -- and provide links to some of the high traffic sites. Because SonyEricsson really is demonstrating its commitment now, spreading these messages really does have promise to force SonyEricsson to change course -- if they want to continue selling phones!
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How about you get a part time job and spend your time earning some money instead? Then you could buy what ever phone you like.

HYPER-X10 said:
How about you get a part time job and spend your time earning some money instead? Then you could buy what ever phone you like.
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The OP is offering a constructive alternative to the whining going on at xda. Here we are whining amongst ourselves. Whiners whining about the whiners. This offers an outlet for the frustrations of those let down by SE, that would reduce the whining on xda, and potentially effect SE in some way.
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Renewal of Contract Xperia Arc, Xperia Play or something else??

Hi All,
I am from Singapore, my contract is going to end in April..
I am just curious which phone I should go for??
I am more diverted towards Xperia Play
Its not that I hate my X10i or anything else so please no war zone here
Just genuine suggestions with some valid point, thanks in advance!!

samsung galaxy 2 i would say
after all sony will lock the bootloader again
with the galaxy, u can directly install cyanogen roms =D

if you like, nothing can stop you

Arc or Pro
Your choice

personally i would like to get the optimus 2x if good roms are released for it, if not galaxy s II. If your happy to go with SE again then go for it, personally i dont want to wait a year 2.4. Im still unconvinced that they've learnt from the x10...

i believe they have becuase they stated that it takes long with x10 due to mediascape and timescape being so deeply integrated into the system. But with new phones they are just apps and thats it.

Depends on your budget too? I'm guessing the mid-range plans will fetch SGD$600 or so ba...
And if you're lucky enough, complains of X10 have reached M1/Singtel/Starhub's ears and they will try decrease the price in order to get more people to get?
I know... In my dreams =/
I feel like changing to Arc, which, is against my principles of holding on to a phone until it dies off... Ah well, see how it goes ba...

Why not get something that's really a step up from the x10? Dual core, with really good specs like the atrix or something.. Why get basically another x10? Also why trust se have learned anything at all...

fiscidtox said:
Why not get something that's really a step up from the x10? Dual core, with really good specs like the atrix or something.. Why get basically another x10? Also why trust se have learned anything at all...
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Arc and whatever new Xperias are a step up -_-
And none of the Sony Ericsson phones have dual core, for your info.
It's not another X10. It's an Arc. X10 mini and X10mini pro are another X10. X10 doesn't have multitouch, 4.2" screen, sexy body and 2.3 OS. Alot of you guys have been complaining about the X10 not having multitouch, right? So now you got your wish. And you still complain -_-
Nobody ever said they trust Sony Ericsson has learnt anything. No matter what, they will still be a money-minded company and come out with a phone sexier than Arc and a 2.4 OS in it to make us drool over it and buy next year. The cycle never ends. As long as they can come up with a new design that attract customers, they are the winners.
If anybody buys an Arc and complains about no further OS updates or this time can't even hack the phone at all, it's them who never learn. This is how Sony Ericsson works, so either suck it up, or change brands and stay out of here in order not to piss anyone off.
Possibly no OS upgrades, or maybe just 1, hacker-unfriendly phone, applications which you cannot uninstall. these elements are here to stay. So don't complain about these in future cos you have been there, done that.
Please get your facts right before trying to stir up trouble. The guy wants opinions, not give haters like you a chance to further diss the products.

loneLEE said:
Arc and whatever new Xperias are a step up -_-
And none of the Sony Ericsson phones have dual core, for your info.
It's not another X10. It's an Arc. X10 mini and X10mini pro are another X10. X10 doesn't have multitouch, 4.2" screen, sexy body and 2.3 OS. Alot of you guys have been complaining about the X10 not having multitouch, right? So now you got your wish. And you still complain -_-
Nobody ever said they trust Sony Ericsson has learnt anything. No matter what, they will still be a money-minded company and come out with a phone sexier than Arc and a 2.4 OS in it to make us drool over it and buy next year. The cycle never ends. As long as they can come up with a new design that attract customers, they are the winners.
If anybody buys an Arc and complains about no further OS updates or this time can't even hack the phone at all, it's them who never learn. This is how Sony Ericsson works, so either suck it up, or change brands and stay out of here in order not to piss anyone off.
Possibly no OS upgrades, or maybe just 1, hacker-unfriendly phone, applications which you cannot uninstall. these elements are here to stay. So don't complain about these in future cos you have been there, done that.
Please get your facts right before trying to stir up trouble. The guy wants opinions, not give haters like you a chance to further diss the products.
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OP said no warzone, you just fed this warzone...
They're just saying, not always Sony Ericsson, XDA forums is for ALL brands and manufacturers, people can state what they want...
Also.. the word "step-up" is subjective to everyone, to some it'll just mean the newer version with just some extra specs (so keeping in line with Sony Ericsson stuff), to some it'll be just something much technically better (could be any company with just a better hardware padded phone)...
So no more arguments now,
The OP is looking for a new phone, let's help him make a well-informed choice.

Arc is looking great. Some other Android Phones looking ugly and have the ugly stock Android Style but the SE Phones always have great Styles and Android with good Style is the best. Thats what i like about SE but i dont know if my next Phone is a SE Phone i need to look if they learned their lessons and how the Arc will do.

Arc is the best looking forthcoming handset... however, think I'd go for the NEO.. Front facing camera, and slightly smaller.. the rest of the spec seem pretty much the same (off the top of my head!)

loneLEE said:
Arc and whatever new Xperias are a step up -_-
And none of the Sony Ericsson phones have dual core, for your info.
It's not another X10. It's an Arc. X10 mini and X10mini pro are another X10. X10 doesn't have multitouch, 4.2" screen, sexy body and 2.3 OS. Alot of you guys have been complaining about the X10 not having multitouch, right? So now you got your wish. And you still complain -_-
Nobody ever said they trust Sony Ericsson has learnt anything. No matter what, they will still be a money-minded company and come out with a phone sexier than Arc and a 2.4 OS in it to make us drool over it and buy next year. The cycle never ends. As long as they can come up with a new design that attract customers, they are the winners.
If anybody buys an Arc and complains about no further OS updates or this time can't even hack the phone at all, it's them who never learn. This is how Sony Ericsson works, so either suck it up, or change brands and stay out of here in order not to piss anyone off.
Possibly no OS upgrades, or maybe just 1, hacker-unfriendly phone, applications which you cannot uninstall. these elements are here to stay. So don't complain about these in future cos you have been there, done that.
Please get your facts right before trying to stir up trouble. The guy wants opinions, not give haters like you a chance to further diss the products.
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I'm not talking about a little baby step, I'm talking about a bigger jump. If you're going to be stuck with a phone for possibly three years, why not get one that will at least have some staying power as far as specs go?
Jesus you are one uptight douche...
When did I say anything about SE having dual core? Apparently you have trouble reading. The OP said an SE phone OR SOMETHING ELSE. I suggested the atrix.
I love my x10 but I just feel like these new models aren't enough of a leap in specs to really consider it an "upgrade".
I have just as much of a right to state my opinion as I do, what is funny is that you just happen to consider your own opinion (and that is all it is...) fact, while anyone else's are apparently wrong..

Alakasam said:
OP said no warzone, you just fed this warzone...
They're just saying, not always Sony Ericsson, XDA forums is for ALL brands and manufacturers, people can state what they want...
Also.. the word "step-up" is subjective to everyone, to some it'll just mean the newer version with just some extra specs (so keeping in line with Sony Ericsson stuff), to some it'll be just something much technically better (could be any company with just a better hardware padded phone)...
So no more arguments now,
The OP is looking for a new phone, let's help him make a well-informed choice.
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Uh huh. See the way he responds, and you accuse me of starting the war. Zzzz.

fiscidtox said:
I'm not talking about a little baby step, I'm talking about a bigger jump. If you're going to be stuck with a phone for possibly three years, why not get one that will at least have some staying power as far as specs go?
Jesus you are one uptight douche...
When did I say anything about SE having dual core? Apparently you have trouble reading. The OP said an SE phone OR SOMETHING ELSE. I suggested the atrix.
I love my x10 but I just feel like these new models aren't enough of a leap in specs to really consider it an "upgrade". Maybe not for tech geeks like you, but definitely for people who just want a good-looking gadget to own.
I have just as much of a right to state my opinion as I do, what is funny is that you just happen to consider your own opinion (and that is all it is...) fact, while anyone else's are apparently wrong..
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Because it looks nicer and has better specs? DUH. And with their tactics, it's getting hard to stay faithful with the phone for too long. I myself am a self-professed faithful owner who claimed to stay with the same phone until it dies off or gets stolen or lost, but seeing the Arc, I myself am thinking of getting it, contradicting my own beliefs and principles. Even the topic starter is contemplating, as well as other existing Rachael owners.
Admit it nor not, Sony Ericsson is good at making eyecandy stuff which makes people wanna own it.
I'm not Jesus, but thanks for thinking highly of me. By the way, calling me a douche shows you are no better than me =D
Yeah. SOMETHING ELSE. NOT SOME OTHER BRANDS. He already hinted by giving the former 2 models as the same brands an example. Sony Ericsson doesn't even have Atrix. Apparently YOU'RE the one who have trouble reading. Anyway why get so hyped up with dual core when it might be a worse juice sucker, making you complain about further short battery life? I'd rather wait till things are getting stable over time rather than advancements that are unpredictable.
You don't feel so but he feels so.
If you want to state opinions, STATE POSITIVE OPINIONS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PISS OTHERS OFF, KIDDO. By doubting Sony Ericsson's integrity, you, too, are thinking you are right while they are wrong. So that doesn't make you any better than me.
Whatever stuff you say about me basically reflects it on you as well.

Wolfbreak said:
Arc is looking great. Some other Android Phones looking ugly and have the ugly stock Android Style but the SE Phones always have great Styles and Android with good Style is the best. Thats what i like about SE but i dont know if my next Phone is a SE Phone i need to look if they learned their lessons and how the Arc will do.
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If you don't harbor any expectations like getting it hacked or expecting further OS updates, it should be fine. =D
But one thing deterring me is the lack of Mediascape. I'm more of a multimedia kinda person, so I prefer good music players... And see whether will the Arc have Japanese keyboard (and hopefully, a Cantonese keyboard too).
I totally agree with you about the other droids not looking pretty... Actually Google Nexus One was alright, with live wallpaper and all, comparing with the then-Rachael without live wallpapers. But after reading reviews by owners that the music player was sucky, I decided to wait for Rachael instead, trusting Sony's music players through experience. And best of all, Racharl has Japanese language and input installed in it! That was totally great news.
Guess it all boils down to priorities. The factors in the phone which makes you wanna own. I knew Rachael had no live wallpapers, and no multitouch, yet I still bought it. With no regrets. Haha.
And don't go to the updates part. I did not own any phones which are software upgradable in the past, so I didn't count on it, expecting the company too lazy to invest their time updating something that they've gotten rid of and start planning on making better phones.

Something else means not other brands, yet I'm the one with trouble reading lol... Is like to see where he said that..you seem to be making his statement your own. You have some real issues dude.

fiscidtox said:
Something else means not other brands, yet I'm the one with trouble reading lol... Is like to see where he said that..you seem to be making his statement your own. You have some real issues dude.
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I've already explaint how he used examples to support his phrase. If you can't understand even my explanations, you can forget about accusing me for having trouble reading.
Again, this is a good example of what you say about others being reflected on you too.
Yeah. And my issue is YOU.

Haha he said or something else, not or something else sony necessarily...
Take your prozac man...

fiscidtox said:
Haha he said or something else, not or something else sony necessarily...
Take your prozac man...
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yeah. Something else like Neo or Pro or whatever they have. DUH.
If he is thinking or alternatives, he would have asked Arc, HTC or some other brands?