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Since I got my Xperia X10, I have been following xda forum quiet regularly. I started to notice a trend in the posts of Xperia X10 threads. This trend is commonly known as Kubler-Ross model or "5 stages of grief".
1st Stage: Denial- "No we have Multitouch..........it just needs to be rooted"
2nd Stage: Anger- "F** SE, A**h**e SE, I will never buy their products etc...."
3rd Stage: Bargaining- "OK if Paul starts working on it then we can have the root"
4th Stage: Depression- "I will not be fooled by SE again, going to HTC next time...." or "Iphone has a good operating system"
5th Stage: Aceptance-"Well it does what the box says......"
I am currently between 3 and 4, but there are lots of ppl in stage 2. And they are cursing each other in Android Developement thread. I am not sure how much developement has been done but I can see very well the stages of grief going on. This is becoming a serious issue now
I think the dev should just stop whatever they are doing and make an app, which just say "Everything is OK, it's JUST a phone".
Non devs please state your stage of grief. Only by consulting and more discussing about your stage of grief, will make you feel better. So please write your stage and how many time you click on refresh and how is this effecting your life
Hi, my name is Bikram. I press the refresh buttom atleast 4 times within an hour. This is making me unproductive at job.
rofl, I can't believe i just read that post. stage 3
isn't it an achievement SE made this trend?
since it's not happening anywhere but SE thread so i am supposed this is SE problem not we user
anyway i am 2,3,4
Hi, I'm thunderpossum, and I'm a stage 5 refreshaholic.
Boredom is what keeps me coming back.
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haha, great thread!
i'm at a quasi-state 4. I'm still an SE fan, but since I'm with T-Mobile and need a good Android with the 1700 band, I'm getting my first non-SE phone ever, and picking up a Nexus One.
If SE learns from it's mistakes about skimping on hardware and taking ages for software updates, and makes a good X10 successor, I'll be more than happy to give SE another shot.
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haha, great thread!
i'm at a quasi-state 4. I'm still an SE fan, but since I'm with T-Mobile and need a good Android with the 1700 band, I'm getting my first non-SE phone ever, and picking up a Nexus One.
If SE learns from it's mistakes about skimping on hardware and taking ages for software updates, and makes a good X10 successor, I'll be more than happy to give SE another shot.
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forget it man. how could you expect they will do better next time while they messed up like this at the moment?=..=
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forget it man. how could you expect they will do better next time while they messed up like this at the moment?=..=
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You might be right, but let's be honest--if (a big if) SE decided to change it's frustrating ways and really knock it out of the park on a future Android phone, won't all of us be flocking to get it and flaunting our SE fan credentials?
I'll stay an SE fan, but with Froyo out and Gingerbread coming in Q4, and Nexus One being a rooted and well supported phone, I have to put practicalities above brand loyalty when it comes to shelling out $500+.
I'm between 4 & 5. Accepting its comfortably the best phone i ever owned. With equal measure of annoyance that SE have ' gone dark' on us. Ace thread by the way!
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pakraider said:
You might be right, but let's be honest--if (a big if) SE decided to change it's frustrating ways and really knock it out of the park on a future Android phone, won't all of us be flocking to get it and flaunting our SE fan credentials?
I'll stay an SE fan, but with Froyo out and Gingerbread coming in Q4, and Nexus One being a rooted and well supported phone, I have to put practicalities above brand loyalty when it comes to shelling out $500+.
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i have no idea how much time you been frustrating with SE but for me i already experienced on w960 and x1 now x10 is the third time they made a nice looking and decent hardware device out of the competition because they took a hell of long time to develope their horrible os before they launch the product and have no problem giving their so called flagship product out there with unbearable cripple which is cause by software issue.
so if you ask me do i think they will do it again the next time?
i think they'll not even hesitate to do so!
I guess there is another stage after 5 for ppl waiting 2.2 and other cool things that can make x10 the perfect phone
Mugur
http://mugur-ionescu.ro/tag/xperia
I think i skiped all those stages, I've been a long term fan of SE and accept them even with their many failings! As for the x10 i love it, its been a while since i've had a touch screen phone (had a p900 then went to candybar phones for a while) so i'm enjoying being back and having a weath of apps at my fingertips. I bought the phone fully aware that it was 1.6 and that SE said it would be in q4 before the big update comes (which I take to mean 'at some time after q4', I've been with se way too long to beleive a definate when they give it!) so i'm happy with my purchase.
As for issues and bugs its had this is all standard stuff with a new anything, especially when its something new for the company too, its something you have to accept as an alpha consumer otherwise you will drive yourself mad with frustration!
Stage two and I'm sending the bill for my anger management classes to SE lol. I hit refresh more times than I can count in a day (at least a dozen times during my morning b m). I need help, I'm going to go for addictions counselling tomorrow. They think I need to go through the 12 step program. It's just hard admitting I have a problem.
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Well, i'm probably stage 5 from the beginning.
I knew what i'll buy.
What i don't like about SE?
They are slow as a donkey riding a pig.
What i don't like about N1? Is made by HTC.
What i don't like about HTC? Well, is HTC.
I wish i could buy the Motoroi or Galaxy S had at least a flash light like X10
oh crap, looks like I hit stage 4, I was actually impressed with apples updates in ios4 I can't believe I actually considered owning one of those useless idevices again
stage 4 ,but i already have htc phone but windows os not android (hd2)
I know full well what to expect from SE after owning the X1 and X2. The X2 is on it's way back now and I am getting an x10 in return. Heck if I could get my money back I would! However, the X10 is one sexy looking phone, you gotta give it that.
I did a lot of research on what the X10 can and can't do, and I am prepared for that, so I wont get angry. Trust me, it's nothing compared to MR1 on the X2... ugh! I would have gone with another brand based on that alone, but we can only hope the updates come complete and pre-tested for the X10. After the mess they made on the X2, I am sure they want to take their time to release the latest updates.
Multi touch? who knows, maybe SE is limiting multi touch on purpose to keep Apple off their lawsuit radar
I have been in stage 5 since a month before i even got it, couse, like iv'e said on several threads here hating everyting, i knew what i was paying for couse i did my homework. And one can not just assume root comes to every device. I happy with my phone, yet though i am starting to get really confused about the so called "may upgrade" and will it contain onefinger-pinch-zoom? I hope so. Cheers!
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I am happily on 5th stage, right after the 1st stage.
I skipped the 3 stages in between, as they would ruin my mojo!!!
“The first generation of handsets in our portfolio was about getting the capability out there”, Steve Walker (Acting) global head of marketing for Sony Ericsson told Pocket-lint, in a one-to-one interview at CES in Las Vegas.
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“Last year we didn’t anticipate the strength of feeling that consumers would have towards the Android release. And again that was a learning experience of the first year of mass market Android smartphones”.
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Here's the full article: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37869/sony-ericsson-2010-mistakes-made#ixzz1AqoY2JHm
Don't forget to post your comments for SE on the Pocket-Lint site.
I actually do have faith in SE handling their software better with the Arc and such, it just doesn't benefit me at all since I'm married to my X10 at least for the next couple of years or so. I dunno, everything I've felt is necessary to say about their current lineup is said already, it's nice to see SE admitting themselves that they failed. Even though their attitude is more like "We f'ed up, buy our new phone so that we can make up for it", than "Sorry we f'ed up, please enjoy our improved support for the X10 lineup in the year 2011!"
I should not read this :/ wrrrr...
“If we hadn’t done what we did with the X10 and the X10 minis we wouldn’t have been able to do what we’ve done here today”
M****r f****r :/
Tl;dr version - Lol congratz x10 owners you are officially our Guinea pig idiots, THATS what you get for trusting us to follow up on promises. Oh well right? No hard feelings k? thnxbai
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... it's nice to see SE admitting themselves that they failed. Even though their attitude is more like "We f'ed up, buy our new phone so that we can make up for it", than "Sorry we f'ed up, please enjoy our improved support for the X10 lineup in the year 2011!"
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This sums it up pretty well.
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M****r f****r :/
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But, so does this.
bah. If they were sorry they would release the bootloader.
This only throws more wood in the fire.
Oh SE, you keep doing it wrong... And I still had a little hope...
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bah. If they were sorry they would release the bootloader.
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Basically.
It's not news that they were wrong...
It would be nice to know they're going to make it right...
but they aint.
Hi, SE,how about giving us froyo + gingerbread or giving us all an Xperia Arc since X10 owners were all shafted?
Basically saying:
"Thanks to be beta-testers, dear users of X10-families. Now goodbye, but meanwhile please enjoy our half-arsed pathetic attempt in Android until it's dead, coz we don't care about old stuff no more now we got the Awesome Arc. Once again, thanks"
"we've made mistakes ".... saying that is the mistake... so that's mean buying x10 is a wrong thing and you should not buy x10 or x8 or mini because it's a mistake ... will i got SE something ... for me trusting SE was a mistake .
My usual,
SE, may Death be bestowed on you.
PUI...........
SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...
having looked at the new lg/htc/droid phones that are appearing in the very near future I reckon as usual sony is starting from behind, should be called xperia x10 v1.0
bet they wont unlock the bootloader either cos its probably the same code for all their new released phones.
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having looked at the new lg/htc/droid phones that are appearing in the very near future I reckon as usual sony is starting from behind, should be called xperia x10 v1.0
bet they wont unlock the bootloader either cos its probably the same code for all their new released phones.
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witch one "X10 , Mini , pro & X8" are outdated :s the arc is not on the Market
, we choose the bad brand and our dev try to give us some light with root and custom rom , i dont understand if Zdishu , Jerpelea & ... from XDA are able to develop 2.2 , 2.3 android rom , with good ressources they could do that perfectly pfff SE S**k
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SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...
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Got to agree there with u. And neither would I be suggesting this phone to any1 again. Sure it feels nice to see ppl admiring the x10 but what's the use if it ain't up to date. A smartphone that's not even a phone :'(
God damn SE atleast unlock the friggin' bootloader. x-(
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Screwing over your early adopters is a poor long term strategy.
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Screwing over your early adopters is a poor long term strategy.
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Not when long-term is defined as a fiscal year.
roaringhere said:
SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...
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I can't agree with this... maybe earlier it was like that, ppl never know about updates, and didn't care much, but now with all this Android hype, more and more people are talking about Android, Froyo, games, MT and stuff, they all are aware of this. And looking how HTC updates their cheap phones like Wildfire and Tatto to froyo... they will ask how come they don't have Froyo on top model SE phone
I'm sure that SE will get what it deserves..
i am a business management student...so i thought of sharing my perspective over how Sony Ericsson is playing the smartphone game...
by exagerrating a lot before the product launch ...and after the launch..giving small doses of updates so customers dont change phone in the hope of getting new features.
think of it..
they build great hype for a product months before the launch by strong advertising (probably spending more on ads than R&D itself) , promising a revolutionary interface with ground breaking custom interfaces....X panels for X1 (remember?) and timescape/mediascape (biggest garbage) for X10 ..both over-ambitious
just so they can differentiate from other companies..
ya they have great product design.. which initially attracts impulse buyers...they build anticipation...so we cant wait to get our hands on their phone!
and then they finally launch the product which will NEVER have the latest updates because their entire focus was on marketing the product i.e bringing it to market before competition and capturing market share.
they never really focussed on industry shaking R&D like Apple..c'mon without Apple, touchscreen was a dead market.
and without Android...Apple had a monopoly.
This is revolution....not timescape or mediascape..which are my least favourite apps...battery sucking with extremely slow response rates.
then they ll keep launching small small updates over couple of months...more like over a year...adding little features..so we dont change brand loyalty....giving the wounded customers a faint vision of hope...
finally they release a small update and the entire community goes 'wow' with excitement...like a virgin getting his first blowjob.
by that time..the phone has suffered scratches, has started showing signs of wear..which means very low re-sale value.
and meanwhile announcement for newer model is made...slimmer, sexier with more bugs which will be fixed via update over the next upcoming year.
good strategy for a short-term profit making....but they are losing brand loyalty.
i am not gonna buy SE Xperia Arc...ya its the sexiest phone on the market.
but its like a hot model u bang and can never have a healthy relationship with...coz she is dumb and full of flaws on the inside...such as daddy issues etc.
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its like they keep us jumping over small small updates like a cat does to a string which the master will never let it catch.
but its like a hot model u bang and can never have a healthy relationship with...coz she is dumb and full of flaws on the inside...such as daddy issues etc.
epic comment
well it's true and from your perspective which one is better?
i know getting a big income is the main focus of any company but hey customers loyalty also counts. it's something i hate from sony in general, they keep pushing new tech every year and let the customer to feel outdated
Epic thread.
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Couldn't have said it better myself, spot on mate!
Swyped from my ZDZ Froyo X10i
bang on, while i am happy with my x10 as it was my first droid comming from a long **** list of wm devices, i am also not going to be sticking with se, already contemplating the droid 2 global, yes se makes sexy phones but, im looking for something a little more with my next device.
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Funny thread
so what do you think about HTC's strategy with Desire ( Desire/HD/Z )
Just because they released a better handset after a year of the previous handset's release it doesn't mean that they do not care about brand loyalty...
so what? you want them to stick with the X10 for two years while other competitors advance with technology????
believe it or not, many will buy the ARC, even more that who bought the X10...
Next time, go buy an HTC or Motorola
and by the way, Samsung is locking their bootloader so do not buy a Samsung android so you won't end up whining like many here about unlocking it, unless you like samsung
but despite all that, I would like to thank you for the effort made by you to explain what many of us are not aware of.. it's a good practice for your uni
good luck mate with your studies
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i am a business management student...so i thought of sharing my perspective over how Sony Ericsson is playing the smartphone game...
by exagerrating a lot before the product launch ...and after the launch..giving small doses of updates so customers dont change phone in the hope of getting new features.
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Well, I wish you luck with the business management, since your management of the English language makes me want to punch babies in the stomach.
Also, replace "Sony Ericsson" with every technology company ever and you have a point.
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Well, I wish you luck with the business management, since your management of the English language makes me want to punch babies in the stomach.
Also, replace "Sony Ericsson" with every technology company ever and you have a point.
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Grammar and syntax of the English language is not the point of XDA in MHO...
Very well written, kudos to you Nocturnal310...
@Nocturnal310:
Of course you're right. But as someone said before, you could say this about any company producing technical stuff and you would be right as well. (I expect some very negative comments on what I'm about to say...). I understand your point, but I just don't think that SE is somehow different in their approach from any other company producing consumer goods (is that right? stuff which are bought in great numbers just to be replaced by newer models...you know, we have to watch out for our English, right iead1? ). Thats quite important because we just can't expect infinite support for our product, because sooner or later (the former is more probable) it will get replaced with brand new model with brand new stuff inside making it lot more attractive. The only thing we can complain about is, that the support may have last longer... thats true. But despite all of that, I'm still not changing the brand loyalty as I just dont know what else should I buy next time. I dont like Apple and their iStuff, also don't like HTCs because of how they look. Samsung is an option, but if I should choose between Samsung and SE just by looking at the phones, SE would definitely win (and with Samsung locking their bootloaders as well, I wouldn't help myself much by buying it). You may call me a hardcore fan of SE who doesn't think about what he's buying, but thats not me. I just think that X10 was an unfortunate mistake (which I personally still love!) of SE and I really hope they will learn from it for the reasons mentioned above.
Thats my opinion and I do not force anyone to share it, but I wanted to say it, because I just don't uderstand all that poeople saying how betrayed they feel by SE.
i think SE`s problem is that they don`t really know what they do,at least so far.
they use UIQ for a while then they leave it.
they use win mo,but after x1 and x2 they desided to go for android.
but now Android is very good platform and they should find their way.i hope so.
their main mistake is that they don`t care about customers and the weak points of their products.
I must add my mustard ...
There was a time long ago, Sony Ericsson created really nice phones with a solid build quality. My x10 is 3 weeks old and is making crazy noises when twisted a bit. The whole frame is not stiff enough.
If I saw it right on arc video presentations at youtube, the crappy timescape is now a widget and it is still choppy. This uggly blue is still there. Why blue? SE colors are Green and Orange. What a bunch of stupid designers ... I think w'll have a lot of alternatives out there with lesser crappy UI-Mods.
Well, I agree with most of your points, but let's remember: they're not ceasing support, they're launching a new model and planningto lock x10 customers in outdated Android. Motorola intended to do that too, but customers did such a big buzz that they changed their minds. The bull**** about low performance on Android 2.2 is already discarded, we can see that on all the unofficially built ROMs available at xda-forums. I risk to say that even Google has his part on this entire drama. Obviously, Sony Ericsson and their UXP loaded with much more processing hunger than x10 can support is the one we should blame, because we chose to buy SE, not Google devices (which are HTC, actually ). The removal of MediaScape from Arc tells us that they know where the problem is. Let's hope they fix this "problem" on x10 too.
I truly hope no one takes my comments personally, since I'm just expressing my opinion as a SE consumer. I still like them, but not how they use my money.
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Apple Iphone 3G is still getting latest updates - same day as the latest iPhone 4, not ALL the features because it's got old hardware but there aware of that.
SE should be aware of it to, yes x10 can run 2.1 2.2, 2.3 ect so they should. There opinion is why there not updating. (why not the majority, the users decide)
Why can't we get hardware based updates? HTC magic/hero got tons of updates..
Yes new models will come out, but it's the same OS to update, not that much off a difference, our devs do there work in spare time and takes 2-3 weeks to come up with ASOP OS, (which is what i prefer anyway). Imagine an entire DEV team full time? yes it takes more time for testing ect but still.....
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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They say a lot. Saying and doing are not the same.
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The removal of MediaScape from Arc tells us that they know where the problem is. Let's hope they fix this "problem" on x10 too.
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I think they removed the mediascape app because it was so hard to new people to find the music player and photo gallery.
just think about it:
you have a new phone, and you would like to play some music, you first go to the music player but you can't find it because there is no music icon on the menu
Grab a samsung phone and try to play some music, the player is called "Music", the video player is "Videos" and the gallery is "Gallery"
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Apple Iphone 3G is still getting latest updates - same day as the latest iPhone 4, not ALL the features because it's got old hardware but there aware of that.
SE should be aware of it to, yes x10 can run 2.1 2.2, 2.3 ect so they should. There opinion is why there not updating. (why not the majority, the users decide)
Why can't we get hardware based updates? HTC magic/hero got tons of updates..
Yes new models will come out, but it's the same OS to update, not that much off a difference, our devs do there work in spare time and takes 2-3 weeks to come up with ASOP OS, (which is what i prefer anyway). Imagine an entire DEV team full time? yes it takes more time for testing ect but still.....
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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You are comparing with 2 companies with different calibers.
Apple - every designer/ad agency/design house/design school in this world purchase their 'godly' machines for work purposes. And these macs don't come cheap, mind you. With that amount of revenue, they can afford to create an iPhone, using their 'lagless' (yeah, right) macintosh reputations to breed a colony of iZombies to support their cause.
With the iZombies having the need to own a iAmagodlyproduct, with such supporters pumping money into their pockets, they can afford to offset any losses by being nice to
Update old iPhones even if new models are out, cos they know iZombies are already impressed with them playing the nice card and that they are confident that with their good reputation and a better new phone out, A majority of iZombies who have too much money to spare will still buy it. They are just giving an aww-I understand-you-can't-afford-a-new-phone-yet-so-I-will-update-you-periodically-so-that-you-will-come-back-to-me-when-you-have-money message to the poorer parties.
Now for Sony Ericsson (or just insert any other brand names). Let me ask you. Though they are an established brand, but let me ask you, how many people will own 1 of those expensive TVs or VAIOS? Comparing with Apple, no competition.
They don't have that much extra revenue to play nice. They can only strategize and try to earn as such as possible before their products become obsolete.
It's just like people like Donald Trump, who has so much money to play with, he can just give away to some random person on the street if he wants to. But if you try doing up a business yourself, would you give away your money to charity organizations, knowing that you cannot afford to spend the money that way? Most probably not. Unless you don't mind closing down your business due to losses.
All these threads are getting sooooooo repetitive!!! There should be one big sticky for anyone who wants to ***** and complain in any way shape and form about SE. That way this form isn't flooded with every thread turning into a SE bashing thread. It really is getting tiring logging on to see what's new and the first 50 threads are people *****in about SE.
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Lonelee - agree with much of what you say.. but it is also true that there are many many many people who go back time and time again to buy the next apple product BECAUSE they know that Apple will not leave the OS lagging behind on the old device when a new one comes out.. it's spectacularly good brand loyalty. SE (and many other) are taking a very short term view, and a missing a great opportunity to get us all on the hook for the next product..
In the UK for example, many phones bought on contract are free with a 2 yr contract tie in.. so if I know that they will look after me for 2 years, then I'll go back for more.. my contract's not due until Feb 2012.. so I'm eagerly awaiting to see their behaviour over the next 12 months!
well I m back on XDA after exiting from blackberry platform...blackberry provided me a stable messaging device for a while but as needs changed, it was very poor for browsing and getting work with attachments done.
i was at a party few weeks ago and my friend took out his Xperia Z claiming this is the best camera phone.
to his disappointment, it was the darkest blurriest pic i have seen whereas my lumia 920 took a pic with DSLR-like clarity and image characteristics.
i am not sure how much sony has improved but seems like they are still a market follower and using marketing dollars to brag about their phones that do not perform as advertised.
after having wasted my student savings on 2 of their phones, I regret and wish I had bought a better phone for my first android experience.
product lifecycle
Hi,
I am not sure if I should blame any company for moving to newer (and maybe better) products. In the android phone market we have the nearly unique situation to be able to get our hands and minds at the software which is driving the product, at least partly.
This is quite different from cars or coffeemakers.
What I would like to from Sony is that when they decide to abandon a product (eg X10), they open up the sources of drivers etc, so that interested people can maintain their products for themselves.
I can understand that they wont open up the sources for current products.
A.
I can whine and complain all day about, how not getting froyo or gingerbread sucks.
But I'm really digging this dualtouch thinggy.
The implementation is not bad as people said it would be, it worked on every app i tried.
And when I think, that Sony Ericsson didn't have to do it, they just did, to make their customers feel a bit better about their device. They lose money, not gain, from releasing software updates, and unlike Nokia, Samsung, RIM, and Apple, u must realise that right now, Sony Ericsson doesn't really have money. Read Financials. So, X10 users should appreciate this, and, heck, they changed their minds about the MT thing, they might just do the same for Froyo or Gingerbread (Call it a hunch).
I just don't agree with your opinion about SE, but it's your point of view.
And is not multitouch, is dualtouch, wich is still good and if you say it works with most apps around, then worth it.
lol, SE doesn't have money??? Do you think that they would be making another two fail phones ( PSP Phone and Xperia Arc ) if they didn't have the money?
The costumers should NOT have to read financial repports on the companies before they decide what device they should buy...!!
IF I was S/E i would actually fight with every thing i got, to give the customers a feeling that I didn´t just want to screw them...
S/E is failing big on this, any X10 buyer with just a little tech sence absolutly have to feel that they have been ****ed by S/E...
Compare S/E with eg. HTC that deliver updates far beond what can be expected to the handsets...
S/E will not even support the X10 line for one year...
Quick question: After the statement that X10 won't get anything beyond Eclair, how many X10 unities would SE sell?
Just a question to those guys who are into financial estimates and stuff like that.
caifanX10 said:
Quick question: After the statement that X10 won't get anything beyond Eclair, how many X10 unities would SE sell?
Just a question to those guys who are into financial estimates and stuff like that.
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LOL you seem to ask a lot of questions my friend
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LOL you seem to ask a lot of questions my friend
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Better than attacking and flamin', don't ya think?
pshdo said:
The costumers should NOT have to read financial repports on the companies before they decide what device they should buy...!!
IF I was S/E i would actually fight with every thing i got, to give the customers a feeling that I didn´t just want to screw them...
S/E is failing big on this, any X10 buyer with just a little tech sence absolutly have to feel that they have been ****ed by S/E...
Compare S/E with eg. HTC that deliver updates far beond what can be expected to the handsets...
S/E will not even support the X10 line for one year...
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Im sorry, but how many HTC phones have got more than 1 major android update ?
And then how many android phones does HTC have on the marked contra SE.....
Im not rating im joyfull, but hey, you bought an android phone with an old android version to begin with. And SE have actually done what they promissed, plus alot more....
caifanX10 said:
Better than attacking and flamin', don't ya think?
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Yet ANOTHER question
Sony Ericsson ( or any company that's involved in Android ) will not care about their previous Handsets in terms of MAJOR updates, they will look forward and learn from the past, of course they will support the X10 if bugs were discovered later, but they have done what they have promised...
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Yet ANOTHER question
Sony Ericsson ( or any company that's involved in Android ) will not care about their previous Handsets in terms of MAJOR updates, they will look forward and learn from the past, of course they will support the X10 if bugs were discovered later, but they have done what they have promised...
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Yet another question :
What about Satio, Aino and Vivaz? are those phones already forgotten?
caifanX10 said:
Yet another question :
What about Satio, Aino and Vivaz? are those phones already forgotten?
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Those three phone were a mistake in my opinion, not because of their specs nor the hardware, but just because of the software ( symbian OS, UIQ )
They had a couple of more updates for them, but they cannot do more with symbian OS. But as far as I know they have fix major and minor bugs in those three ( I owned two of them ) still using Aino as a second phone
As a vivaz pro owner, I will tell you now, that if I was SE, I wouldn't bother my self with symbian anymore either.
UIQ in my opinion was the best implementation of symbian, then nokia tricked MOAP, and UIQ, into selling their shares, in the guise of hey, let's unify symbian. Then what happened, symbian was overly nokiarised.
When google improves android, they share, when Nokia updates S60v5, they go, well ur on ur own dudes. You know this.
Why do u think samsung got pissed last year and dropped all support for symbian.
Too bad, I really wanted to get a Satio about 2 years ago and an Aino 1 year ago
Seriously, don't get me wrong. I love my Xperia X10, but I now this phone CAN do more than SE rules. I think it isn't about getting Froyo (that won't happen, so ppl stop that, or unlocking the bootloader), but at least we should get an update to make this phone even better.
They say .24 update is good, I don't have it yet so I need to proof it. And this kind of updates like dualtouch are helping, but I think isn't enough yet. That's all.
dante2086 said:
As a vivaz pro owner, I will tell you now, that if I was SE, I wouldn't bother my self with symbian anymore either.
UIQ in my opinion was the best implementation of symbian, then nokia tricked MOAP, and UIQ, into selling their shares, in the guise of hey, let's unify symbian. Then what happened, symbian was overly nokiarised.
When google improves android, they share, when Nokia updates S60v5, they go, well ur on ur own dudes. You know this.
Why do u think samsung got pissed last year and dropped all support for symbian.
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What about Nokia and the Maemo project? Maemo is a good OS. I'd like to see SE experimenting with it in the future (would I be asking for too much?)
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lol, SE doesn't have money??? Do you think that they would be making another two fail phones ( PSP Phone and Xperia Arc ) if they didn't have the money?
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Dude, I know what I'm saying, and just so you know, you don't really have to have money as a business to make something, that's were losses and bankruptcy come from.
Let me put it into perspective for you.
HTC Q4 profit, 500 million dollars.
Samsung mobile Q4 profit, 1 BILLION dollars
Apple Q4, sit down for this one, 6 billion dollars
Sony Ericsson, the whole 2010, 90 million dollars.
It's so difficult for them to make profits, that if they splashed cash, they suddenly be in the red.
I'm not making excuses for them, but people should look at things from all angles.
How many updates do Samsung phones get with their billions, they have enough money to hire every single XDA developer for a year.
caifanX10 said:
What about Nokia and the Maemo project? Maemo is a good OS. I'd like to see SE experimenting with it in the future (would I be asking for too much?)
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I agree with you, maemo is very good. But then, Nokia has more or less dumped it for meego, and it barely has apps.
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I agree with you, maemo is very good. But then, Nokia has more or less dumped it for meego, and it barely has apps.
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So, basically Maemo needs more developing, I think it might become an important competitor in the handset market. Hey SE devs, listen carefully, you have one more option beyond Android
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Too bad, I really wanted to get a Satio about 2 years ago and an Aino 1 year ago
Seriously, don't get me wrong. I love my Xperia X10, but I now this phone CAN do more than SE rules. I think it isn't about getting Froyo (that won't happen, so ppl stop that, or unlocking the bootloader), but at least we should get an update to make this phone even better.
They say .24 update is good, I don't have it yet so I need to proof it. And this kind of updates like dualtouch are helping, but I think isn't enough yet. That's all.
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Sony Ericsson's aim for the X10 is to make as solid as possible, and I have to say they managed to do so, compared to my Galaxy Tab 2.2...
the .24 is a very reliable update, right now I am waiting for the official update for the Dual-touch in UK so I can try and and see what happens..
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The costumers should NOT have to read financial repports on the companies before they decide what device they should buy...!!
IF I was S/E i would actually fight with every thing i got, to give the customers a feeling that I didn´t just want to screw them...
S/E is failing big on this, any X10 buyer with just a little tech sence absolutly have to feel that they have been ****ed by S/E...
Compare S/E with eg. HTC that deliver updates far beond what can be expected to the handsets...
S/E will not even support the X10 line for one year...
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Customers shouldn't read financials, agreed, but informed customers like u and I should. If u didn't want to know as much of ur phone and brand as u could, u wouldn't be on XDA.
HTC made in one quarter, over 5 times what SE made in a year, that means bigger workforce, more programmers, more updates.
Sony Ericsson had to lay off thousands just to make a measly profit. And fighting tooth and nail is what got them into that mess, remember when made phones that had insane specs for their time, K700, S700, W800, K750, K800, the P series, the list is endless. Techies like us loved those phones, but they cost money to make, and didn't sell as much.
So I think they are tired of fighting tooth and nail, they just want to survive.
And their new range is NICE.
Arc for my MTN line.
Xperia Play for my Etisalat line.
Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
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So, basically Maemo needs more developing, I think it might become an important competitor in the handset market. Hey SE devs, listen carefully, you have one more option beyond Android
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I can't see any reasons for them to go and try Maemo..
They will need:
-More resources ( Devs and Techs ), which leads into spending more money
-More time to get to know the OS
-Pay Nokia to use their Maemo OS
It will not end up good for them, especially since it came from Nokia.....
Hi All,
I am from Singapore, my contract is going to end in April..
I am just curious which phone I should go for??
I am more diverted towards Xperia Play
Its not that I hate my X10i or anything else so please no war zone here
Just genuine suggestions with some valid point, thanks in advance!!
samsung galaxy 2 i would say
after all sony will lock the bootloader again
with the galaxy, u can directly install cyanogen roms =D
if you like, nothing can stop you
Arc or Pro
Your choice
personally i would like to get the optimus 2x if good roms are released for it, if not galaxy s II. If your happy to go with SE again then go for it, personally i dont want to wait a year 2.4. Im still unconvinced that they've learnt from the x10...
i believe they have becuase they stated that it takes long with x10 due to mediascape and timescape being so deeply integrated into the system. But with new phones they are just apps and thats it.
Depends on your budget too? I'm guessing the mid-range plans will fetch SGD$600 or so ba...
And if you're lucky enough, complains of X10 have reached M1/Singtel/Starhub's ears and they will try decrease the price in order to get more people to get?
I know... In my dreams =/
I feel like changing to Arc, which, is against my principles of holding on to a phone until it dies off... Ah well, see how it goes ba...
Why not get something that's really a step up from the x10? Dual core, with really good specs like the atrix or something.. Why get basically another x10? Also why trust se have learned anything at all...
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Why not get something that's really a step up from the x10? Dual core, with really good specs like the atrix or something.. Why get basically another x10? Also why trust se have learned anything at all...
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Arc and whatever new Xperias are a step up -_-
And none of the Sony Ericsson phones have dual core, for your info.
It's not another X10. It's an Arc. X10 mini and X10mini pro are another X10. X10 doesn't have multitouch, 4.2" screen, sexy body and 2.3 OS. Alot of you guys have been complaining about the X10 not having multitouch, right? So now you got your wish. And you still complain -_-
Nobody ever said they trust Sony Ericsson has learnt anything. No matter what, they will still be a money-minded company and come out with a phone sexier than Arc and a 2.4 OS in it to make us drool over it and buy next year. The cycle never ends. As long as they can come up with a new design that attract customers, they are the winners.
If anybody buys an Arc and complains about no further OS updates or this time can't even hack the phone at all, it's them who never learn. This is how Sony Ericsson works, so either suck it up, or change brands and stay out of here in order not to piss anyone off.
Possibly no OS upgrades, or maybe just 1, hacker-unfriendly phone, applications which you cannot uninstall. these elements are here to stay. So don't complain about these in future cos you have been there, done that.
Please get your facts right before trying to stir up trouble. The guy wants opinions, not give haters like you a chance to further diss the products.
loneLEE said:
Arc and whatever new Xperias are a step up -_-
And none of the Sony Ericsson phones have dual core, for your info.
It's not another X10. It's an Arc. X10 mini and X10mini pro are another X10. X10 doesn't have multitouch, 4.2" screen, sexy body and 2.3 OS. Alot of you guys have been complaining about the X10 not having multitouch, right? So now you got your wish. And you still complain -_-
Nobody ever said they trust Sony Ericsson has learnt anything. No matter what, they will still be a money-minded company and come out with a phone sexier than Arc and a 2.4 OS in it to make us drool over it and buy next year. The cycle never ends. As long as they can come up with a new design that attract customers, they are the winners.
If anybody buys an Arc and complains about no further OS updates or this time can't even hack the phone at all, it's them who never learn. This is how Sony Ericsson works, so either suck it up, or change brands and stay out of here in order not to piss anyone off.
Possibly no OS upgrades, or maybe just 1, hacker-unfriendly phone, applications which you cannot uninstall. these elements are here to stay. So don't complain about these in future cos you have been there, done that.
Please get your facts right before trying to stir up trouble. The guy wants opinions, not give haters like you a chance to further diss the products.
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OP said no warzone, you just fed this warzone...
They're just saying, not always Sony Ericsson, XDA forums is for ALL brands and manufacturers, people can state what they want...
Also.. the word "step-up" is subjective to everyone, to some it'll just mean the newer version with just some extra specs (so keeping in line with Sony Ericsson stuff), to some it'll be just something much technically better (could be any company with just a better hardware padded phone)...
So no more arguments now,
The OP is looking for a new phone, let's help him make a well-informed choice.
Arc is looking great. Some other Android Phones looking ugly and have the ugly stock Android Style but the SE Phones always have great Styles and Android with good Style is the best. Thats what i like about SE but i dont know if my next Phone is a SE Phone i need to look if they learned their lessons and how the Arc will do.
Arc is the best looking forthcoming handset... however, think I'd go for the NEO.. Front facing camera, and slightly smaller.. the rest of the spec seem pretty much the same (off the top of my head!)
loneLEE said:
Arc and whatever new Xperias are a step up -_-
And none of the Sony Ericsson phones have dual core, for your info.
It's not another X10. It's an Arc. X10 mini and X10mini pro are another X10. X10 doesn't have multitouch, 4.2" screen, sexy body and 2.3 OS. Alot of you guys have been complaining about the X10 not having multitouch, right? So now you got your wish. And you still complain -_-
Nobody ever said they trust Sony Ericsson has learnt anything. No matter what, they will still be a money-minded company and come out with a phone sexier than Arc and a 2.4 OS in it to make us drool over it and buy next year. The cycle never ends. As long as they can come up with a new design that attract customers, they are the winners.
If anybody buys an Arc and complains about no further OS updates or this time can't even hack the phone at all, it's them who never learn. This is how Sony Ericsson works, so either suck it up, or change brands and stay out of here in order not to piss anyone off.
Possibly no OS upgrades, or maybe just 1, hacker-unfriendly phone, applications which you cannot uninstall. these elements are here to stay. So don't complain about these in future cos you have been there, done that.
Please get your facts right before trying to stir up trouble. The guy wants opinions, not give haters like you a chance to further diss the products.
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I'm not talking about a little baby step, I'm talking about a bigger jump. If you're going to be stuck with a phone for possibly three years, why not get one that will at least have some staying power as far as specs go?
Jesus you are one uptight douche...
When did I say anything about SE having dual core? Apparently you have trouble reading. The OP said an SE phone OR SOMETHING ELSE. I suggested the atrix.
I love my x10 but I just feel like these new models aren't enough of a leap in specs to really consider it an "upgrade".
I have just as much of a right to state my opinion as I do, what is funny is that you just happen to consider your own opinion (and that is all it is...) fact, while anyone else's are apparently wrong..
Alakasam said:
OP said no warzone, you just fed this warzone...
They're just saying, not always Sony Ericsson, XDA forums is for ALL brands and manufacturers, people can state what they want...
Also.. the word "step-up" is subjective to everyone, to some it'll just mean the newer version with just some extra specs (so keeping in line with Sony Ericsson stuff), to some it'll be just something much technically better (could be any company with just a better hardware padded phone)...
So no more arguments now,
The OP is looking for a new phone, let's help him make a well-informed choice.
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Uh huh. See the way he responds, and you accuse me of starting the war. Zzzz.
fiscidtox said:
I'm not talking about a little baby step, I'm talking about a bigger jump. If you're going to be stuck with a phone for possibly three years, why not get one that will at least have some staying power as far as specs go?
Jesus you are one uptight douche...
When did I say anything about SE having dual core? Apparently you have trouble reading. The OP said an SE phone OR SOMETHING ELSE. I suggested the atrix.
I love my x10 but I just feel like these new models aren't enough of a leap in specs to really consider it an "upgrade". Maybe not for tech geeks like you, but definitely for people who just want a good-looking gadget to own.
I have just as much of a right to state my opinion as I do, what is funny is that you just happen to consider your own opinion (and that is all it is...) fact, while anyone else's are apparently wrong..
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Because it looks nicer and has better specs? DUH. And with their tactics, it's getting hard to stay faithful with the phone for too long. I myself am a self-professed faithful owner who claimed to stay with the same phone until it dies off or gets stolen or lost, but seeing the Arc, I myself am thinking of getting it, contradicting my own beliefs and principles. Even the topic starter is contemplating, as well as other existing Rachael owners.
Admit it nor not, Sony Ericsson is good at making eyecandy stuff which makes people wanna own it.
I'm not Jesus, but thanks for thinking highly of me. By the way, calling me a douche shows you are no better than me =D
Yeah. SOMETHING ELSE. NOT SOME OTHER BRANDS. He already hinted by giving the former 2 models as the same brands an example. Sony Ericsson doesn't even have Atrix. Apparently YOU'RE the one who have trouble reading. Anyway why get so hyped up with dual core when it might be a worse juice sucker, making you complain about further short battery life? I'd rather wait till things are getting stable over time rather than advancements that are unpredictable.
You don't feel so but he feels so.
If you want to state opinions, STATE POSITIVE OPINIONS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PISS OTHERS OFF, KIDDO. By doubting Sony Ericsson's integrity, you, too, are thinking you are right while they are wrong. So that doesn't make you any better than me.
Whatever stuff you say about me basically reflects it on you as well.
Wolfbreak said:
Arc is looking great. Some other Android Phones looking ugly and have the ugly stock Android Style but the SE Phones always have great Styles and Android with good Style is the best. Thats what i like about SE but i dont know if my next Phone is a SE Phone i need to look if they learned their lessons and how the Arc will do.
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If you don't harbor any expectations like getting it hacked or expecting further OS updates, it should be fine. =D
But one thing deterring me is the lack of Mediascape. I'm more of a multimedia kinda person, so I prefer good music players... And see whether will the Arc have Japanese keyboard (and hopefully, a Cantonese keyboard too).
I totally agree with you about the other droids not looking pretty... Actually Google Nexus One was alright, with live wallpaper and all, comparing with the then-Rachael without live wallpapers. But after reading reviews by owners that the music player was sucky, I decided to wait for Rachael instead, trusting Sony's music players through experience. And best of all, Racharl has Japanese language and input installed in it! That was totally great news.
Guess it all boils down to priorities. The factors in the phone which makes you wanna own. I knew Rachael had no live wallpapers, and no multitouch, yet I still bought it. With no regrets. Haha.
And don't go to the updates part. I did not own any phones which are software upgradable in the past, so I didn't count on it, expecting the company too lazy to invest their time updating something that they've gotten rid of and start planning on making better phones.
Something else means not other brands, yet I'm the one with trouble reading lol... Is like to see where he said that..you seem to be making his statement your own. You have some real issues dude.
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Something else means not other brands, yet I'm the one with trouble reading lol... Is like to see where he said that..you seem to be making his statement your own. You have some real issues dude.
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I've already explaint how he used examples to support his phrase. If you can't understand even my explanations, you can forget about accusing me for having trouble reading.
Again, this is a good example of what you say about others being reflected on you too.
Yeah. And my issue is YOU.
Haha he said or something else, not or something else sony necessarily...
Take your prozac man...
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Haha he said or something else, not or something else sony necessarily...
Take your prozac man...
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yeah. Something else like Neo or Pro or whatever they have. DUH.
If he is thinking or alternatives, he would have asked Arc, HTC or some other brands?