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Decided to jump ship.. switching to HTC desire

Who is with me?
With all the gripes that we have with this phone right now, including no 2.1 for a 8 months (by which time SE will launch a newer Android device and pay no attention to X10 owners) as well as multitouch, live wallpapers, hundreds of apps that dont run on anything less than 2.1 etc etc, I think its high time we hit SE where it hurts.
Bring on AMOLED, 512 MB RAM, native flash and 2.2 around the corner.
Who needs a 8MP camera. Seriously, all cameras on mobile phones are **** anyways.
The screen size is a tad smaller, but so is the phone (which is better in my books).
Any other reasons anyone can think of apart from the obvious?
Just about to flog it on fleebay/gumtree

You sound horribly insecure. Its just a phone. Relax for god sake.

thats because i probably am... or perhaps just enlightened...
more fits of insecurity coming your way

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You sound horribly insecure. Its just a phone. Relax for god sake.
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Exactly its phone nothing more. Jheeze what a pointless thread.

I sincerly hope you are satisfied once you switch.
The X10 is as advertised and I am happy with it as is.

Im sure you are all very happy with the device at hand and this is probably not the best forum for this topic, although I know of a lot of users here who feel the same way about the X10 and would be willing to move away.
If not now, than a couple of months down the line, you will all be singing the same tune when most of the apps stop offering upgrades on the 1.6 platform.

Everyone's opinion is welcome and a forum (any) is the perfect place to express it.
I respect your opinion and your reasoning as it does have merit.
For me, this is my first run on Android.
I like the SE UI and the apps are secondary to me.

i'm with you. but i'm going for the nexus one. receiving that piece of sexy tomorrow.

I will wait another month or so, to see if we get it rooted. If not, ill be getting a 4G when available in the UK

boring htc phones
To be very honest i think Desire and Nexus are both boring not so well designed phones. They´re geek phones with no aesthetics. X10 it´s way more sleek, elegant and big! Froyo will come as well to the X10... just patience my friends. Who know we get the phone rooted pretty soon...

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

seriously im getting tired of these "omg ive had it with this x10 gotta sell it" go ahead , no one really cares. coming from 2.1, i still dont care if the x10 is still 1.6, its fast,sexy and its just a phone! im all for root, and itll come. for now though people who dont sit at home all day in mommys basement are enjoying the x10.
i certainly hope puberty doesnt confuse you as much as your x10 dilemma.
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anyone who is happy with the way the x10 is right now is seriously either super retard OR cant/doesnt have the money/whatever reason to switch to another phone. "ofcourse i am talking software wise " not the phone it self in general as i used to have X10 and i love the design of the phone more than my new nexus 1
anyway OP. i did the same yesterday, i bought the Nexus 1 tho. mainly because i never like the HTC interface and i figure that phones like nexus and motorolla droid are always faster to get updates " since i wont wait for htc to implement their software into the phone before updating.
the guy at the store promised me not to sell my x10 for a week " he is a friend " if SE annouce 2.2 by then or the phone get rooted " haha wtf i am thinking " then great i will get it back. if not, then the hell with SE. let them shove the phone up their @$$. or some unlucky mfer buy it

let us know if it hurts when yours drop too...wait there should be a thread for prepubescent b00ns...
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Seriously just keep the x10 for now. Root will come sooner or later. You knew the x10 would come with 1. 6 then why did you buy it in the first place? If I have the patience to wait for 2. 1 or root then so does everyone else, unless you don't have a life and loaft around xda starting useless threads saying ur gonna sell your x10 for another phone. If so go ahead no one is stopping you. We don't need to know anything else. As far as I know this is the xperia x10 thread.
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i'm going to be keeping the x10 for a while even after my nexus one gets here today.
i have faith in x10. but the phone seriously is limited by the OS. the nexus one's looks are a matter of opinion and mostly on taste. i love the way it looks but all the good features are on newer OS.
we all knew Android would be updated. but i don't think people expected the phone to have such a long wait for an update with an outdated OS. you get an android phone these days for the reason that the OS will only get better with updates. everyone sees the petition thread, right?
if OS didn't mean a thing and that it didn't have any issues for the X10, no one would be complaining.

Moving to another phone in the future?
Maybe.
HTC? No way ..
What else?
A new iteration of Nexus, maybe a better Galaxy S (one with flash for camera) or a Motorola Motoroi if they decide to sell it in US/Canada.
But really... HTC?
I'm sorry to say but you are crazy
Giving your X10 for HTC Desire/Legend or Nexus One is pointless.
None of them is as good as X10.

tuxStyle said:
But really... HTC?
I'm sorry to say but you are crazy
Giving your X10 for HTC Desire/Legend or Nexus One is pointless.
None of them is as good as X10.
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pointless ? ..... what planet are you from ?

I agree with miguelsantos1979.
1st Gen AMLOED screens are not overly impressive, my friend has the Desire and he struggles to see the screen in direct sun light.
If you want to change the handset, change it rather then write a post like a spoilt child

Well, assuming that people don't have the cash to switch to another phone when they are having a X10 is the most useless comment I read here since I became a member, it's not about having cash my friend, it's about what you expect from something you bought and if the product suits you or not.
Fortunately everyone is different, I like my X10 eventhough on my X1 I was able to make my own themes and tweaked whatever I wanted. Ashame some games can't be installed because of the fact it is still running on 1.6, but that's not worth getting another phone for me personally. I will wait for the updates, and as soon as SE comes with the update, there will be something new to complain about. That is how it works in this fastgrowing technology world we live in.
Another point can be not everyone goes so deep in their phones as we do, and for "normal" people the X10 is fantastic as it is. SE want to sell big with this phone, so making it to complicated scares of the average customer who just buys a phone based on the looks of it, and you have to admit, the first time you had the X10 in your hand, it was looking good
Just relax and take a beer after you bought yourself another phone
Cheers,
Arnold

Update necassary?

How do you think about X2 now? I already check and still no update. Do all X2 users think no need for another update or what?
Thanks

I'm afraid that no MR3 will come, but I strongly hope for a couple of bugfix.
The phone is now stable and usable, but there is a large room for refinements.

X2 is better phone then when it first came out in january but its still noway near complete.
even if the phone was like this on january and then got a couple of updates it wouldnt justify its price unless if it would work flawlessly.
the general importer of SE for Slovenia still sells it for 550€ and galaxy I9000 costs around 600€ (I9000 got european smartphone award 2010-2011, X2 is a bad joke).
if you pay €500+ you need it for work (email and internet work fine but calls get weard sometimes and its anyoing and embarrassing) or for showoff (if you use the slideview or the panelmanager alot it will freeze soon or later and embarass you in front of people).
SE has to do what he should. if we have to pay for thair product they need to make X2 work as it should.

X2... bye-bye
Just say bye to dear X2.
Just blame myself so fool to trust this X2.
Now I am going to consider to change with X10.
Senior, Any idea the difference between X10,X10mni,X10 mini pro? Of course about the OS?
And I review to another thread, They are debating about android and apple. But in this case I never ever think of using MAC because of my own reason. But... Senior, Can some one tell what is so special about Apple 4?
Is it true about big different between Android 1.x and 2.1?
Will X10 dissapointing again like X2?
Is there another good smart phone to suggest?
Thanks.

gunawan-1 said:
Just say bye to dear X2.
Just blame myself so fool to trust this X2.
Now I am going to consider to change with X10.
Senior, Any idea the difference between X10,X10mni,X10 mini pro? Of course about the OS?
And I review to another thread, They are debating about android and apple. But in this case I never ever think of using MAC because of my own reason. But... Senior, Can some one tell what is so special about Apple 4?
Is it true about big different between Android 1.x and 2.1?
Will X10 dissapointing again like X2?
Is there another good smart phone to suggest?
Thanks.
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For me, I will never consider to ever buy a Sony Ericsson product in my life.
So, stay away for the X10, X10 mini, or whatever.
Cheers.

Jolo_ said:
For me, I will never consider to ever buy a Sony Ericsson product in my life.
So, stay away for the X10, X10 mini, or whatever.
Cheers.
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May be the problem is not SE. But it is about Microsoft or may be about WM 6.5.3.
But believe me, SE is still good phone.

gunawan-1 said:
Just say bye to dear X2.
Just blame myself so fool to trust this X2.
Now I am going to consider to change with X10.
Senior, Any idea the difference between X10,X10mni,X10 mini pro? Of course about the OS?
And I review to another thread, They are debating about android and apple. But in this case I never ever think of using MAC because of my own reason. But... Senior, Can some one tell what is so special about Apple 4?
Is it true about big different between Android 1.x and 2.1?
Will X10 dissapointing again like X2?
Is there another good smart phone to suggest?
Thanks.
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Hello friend, i'll suggest HTC Desire. If you go to the SE blog, you will see a lot of disgruntled x10 users as well. That is why SE has disappointed me so much. I therefore decided to try the HTC Desire, and i'm not regretting it at all. The device is very responsive! And the Android OS is lovely, and there are lots of free apps in their appstore. The only thing i've found disappointing about the Desire is its speaker phone. The volume is a bit too low. Apart from that, every other thing about the phone combined with the OS is just LOVELY. Cheers

In my experience, there are always dissatisfied users with any phone. If you wander into any forum here at xda, you will find different opinions.
On to android. It's a very nice operating system. It was made for touchscreens. The X10 is a great phone. Sony ericsson did a good job with 1.6 and soon will be updating to 2.1. That much is guaranteed.
With 2.1, you will get native exchange support. It will support more colors for the screen; 16m colors. You will get access to more apps that are only compatible with 2.1 and up such as google earth, advanced voice search, and other third party apps. You can have multiple google accounts and native facebook sync.
I have both the X10i and the Nexus One. I will say, hardware wise, the X10 is the better of the two. It could have used an optical track pad, but it isn't as important since I have the swype keyboard with a software dpad. The nexus one has the most software features since it has 2.2 but is buggy. I guess what I'm trying to say is the X10 is a really nice phone to use if you don't mind being a little behind with the OS version.
If you are really interested in any phone, you should hop into the different forums and get a feel for each phone from what people are posting about it.

Thanks to all friends. I just buy X10. hohohoh. very responsive. I like that. The sound is too low but clear. Still upgrading. The style is very exclusive. I like that. but... don't know yet.
But one thing is upsetting, no video call.

Just like what I imagine. No update till now. May be SE confuse how to upgrade more with this phone. hohohoh.... May be they have given the best shot to this phone. And last word is : "SORRY".
But from deep in my heart, I really disappointed with X2, I feel being cheated.
After I change to X10, many things is different. in many aspects, X10 is different.
My opinion, X10 is my phone. just meet my expecting.
considering to the: design, responsiveness, camera, connection, features, display, etc.
Nb: Friends, try consider X10. You will not disapoint.

An interesting observation - SE using cat-string theory as its main business practice

i am a business management student...so i thought of sharing my perspective over how Sony Ericsson is playing the smartphone game...
by exagerrating a lot before the product launch ...and after the launch..giving small doses of updates so customers dont change phone in the hope of getting new features.
think of it..
they build great hype for a product months before the launch by strong advertising (probably spending more on ads than R&D itself) , promising a revolutionary interface with ground breaking custom interfaces....X panels for X1 (remember?) and timescape/mediascape (biggest garbage) for X10 ..both over-ambitious
just so they can differentiate from other companies..
ya they have great product design.. which initially attracts impulse buyers...they build anticipation...so we cant wait to get our hands on their phone!
and then they finally launch the product which will NEVER have the latest updates because their entire focus was on marketing the product i.e bringing it to market before competition and capturing market share.
they never really focussed on industry shaking R&D like Apple..c'mon without Apple, touchscreen was a dead market.
and without Android...Apple had a monopoly.
This is revolution....not timescape or mediascape..which are my least favourite apps...battery sucking with extremely slow response rates.
then they ll keep launching small small updates over couple of months...more like over a year...adding little features..so we dont change brand loyalty....giving the wounded customers a faint vision of hope...
finally they release a small update and the entire community goes 'wow' with excitement...like a virgin getting his first blowjob.
by that time..the phone has suffered scratches, has started showing signs of wear..which means very low re-sale value.
and meanwhile announcement for newer model is made...slimmer, sexier with more bugs which will be fixed via update over the next upcoming year.
good strategy for a short-term profit making....but they are losing brand loyalty.
i am not gonna buy SE Xperia Arc...ya its the sexiest phone on the market.
but its like a hot model u bang and can never have a healthy relationship with...coz she is dumb and full of flaws on the inside...such as daddy issues etc.
/rant
its like they keep us jumping over small small updates like a cat does to a string which the master will never let it catch.

but its like a hot model u bang and can never have a healthy relationship with...coz she is dumb and full of flaws on the inside...such as daddy issues etc.
epic comment
well it's true and from your perspective which one is better?
i know getting a big income is the main focus of any company but hey customers loyalty also counts. it's something i hate from sony in general, they keep pushing new tech every year and let the customer to feel outdated

Epic thread.
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Couldn't have said it better myself, spot on mate!
Swyped from my ZDZ Froyo X10i

bang on, while i am happy with my x10 as it was my first droid comming from a long **** list of wm devices, i am also not going to be sticking with se, already contemplating the droid 2 global, yes se makes sexy phones but, im looking for something a little more with my next device.
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Funny thread
so what do you think about HTC's strategy with Desire ( Desire/HD/Z )
Just because they released a better handset after a year of the previous handset's release it doesn't mean that they do not care about brand loyalty...
so what? you want them to stick with the X10 for two years while other competitors advance with technology????
believe it or not, many will buy the ARC, even more that who bought the X10...
Next time, go buy an HTC or Motorola
and by the way, Samsung is locking their bootloader so do not buy a Samsung android so you won't end up whining like many here about unlocking it, unless you like samsung
but despite all that, I would like to thank you for the effort made by you to explain what many of us are not aware of.. it's a good practice for your uni
good luck mate with your studies

Nocturnal310 said:
i am a business management student...so i thought of sharing my perspective over how Sony Ericsson is playing the smartphone game...
by exagerrating a lot before the product launch ...and after the launch..giving small doses of updates so customers dont change phone in the hope of getting new features.
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Well, I wish you luck with the business management, since your management of the English language makes me want to punch babies in the stomach.
Also, replace "Sony Ericsson" with every technology company ever and you have a point.
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iead1 said:
Well, I wish you luck with the business management, since your management of the English language makes me want to punch babies in the stomach.
Also, replace "Sony Ericsson" with every technology company ever and you have a point.
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Grammar and syntax of the English language is not the point of XDA in MHO...
Very well written, kudos to you Nocturnal310...

@Nocturnal310:
Of course you're right. But as someone said before, you could say this about any company producing technical stuff and you would be right as well. (I expect some very negative comments on what I'm about to say...). I understand your point, but I just don't think that SE is somehow different in their approach from any other company producing consumer goods (is that right? stuff which are bought in great numbers just to be replaced by newer models...you know, we have to watch out for our English, right iead1? ). Thats quite important because we just can't expect infinite support for our product, because sooner or later (the former is more probable) it will get replaced with brand new model with brand new stuff inside making it lot more attractive. The only thing we can complain about is, that the support may have last longer... thats true. But despite all of that, I'm still not changing the brand loyalty as I just dont know what else should I buy next time. I dont like Apple and their iStuff, also don't like HTCs because of how they look. Samsung is an option, but if I should choose between Samsung and SE just by looking at the phones, SE would definitely win (and with Samsung locking their bootloaders as well, I wouldn't help myself much by buying it). You may call me a hardcore fan of SE who doesn't think about what he's buying, but thats not me. I just think that X10 was an unfortunate mistake (which I personally still love!) of SE and I really hope they will learn from it for the reasons mentioned above.
Thats my opinion and I do not force anyone to share it, but I wanted to say it, because I just don't uderstand all that poeople saying how betrayed they feel by SE.

i think SE`s problem is that they don`t really know what they do,at least so far.
they use UIQ for a while then they leave it.
they use win mo,but after x1 and x2 they desided to go for android.
but now Android is very good platform and they should find their way.i hope so.
their main mistake is that they don`t care about customers and the weak points of their products.

I must add my mustard ...
There was a time long ago, Sony Ericsson created really nice phones with a solid build quality. My x10 is 3 weeks old and is making crazy noises when twisted a bit. The whole frame is not stiff enough.
If I saw it right on arc video presentations at youtube, the crappy timescape is now a widget and it is still choppy. This uggly blue is still there. Why blue? SE colors are Green and Orange. What a bunch of stupid designers ... I think w'll have a lot of alternatives out there with lesser crappy UI-Mods.

Well, I agree with most of your points, but let's remember: they're not ceasing support, they're launching a new model and planningto lock x10 customers in outdated Android. Motorola intended to do that too, but customers did such a big buzz that they changed their minds. The bull**** about low performance on Android 2.2 is already discarded, we can see that on all the unofficially built ROMs available at xda-forums. I risk to say that even Google has his part on this entire drama. Obviously, Sony Ericsson and their UXP loaded with much more processing hunger than x10 can support is the one we should blame, because we chose to buy SE, not Google devices (which are HTC, actually ). The removal of MediaScape from Arc tells us that they know where the problem is. Let's hope they fix this "problem" on x10 too.
I truly hope no one takes my comments personally, since I'm just expressing my opinion as a SE consumer. I still like them, but not how they use my money.
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Apple Iphone 3G is still getting latest updates - same day as the latest iPhone 4, not ALL the features because it's got old hardware but there aware of that.
SE should be aware of it to, yes x10 can run 2.1 2.2, 2.3 ect so they should. There opinion is why there not updating. (why not the majority, the users decide)
Why can't we get hardware based updates? HTC magic/hero got tons of updates..
Yes new models will come out, but it's the same OS to update, not that much off a difference, our devs do there work in spare time and takes 2-3 weeks to come up with ASOP OS, (which is what i prefer anyway). Imagine an entire DEV team full time? yes it takes more time for testing ect but still.....
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!

robbyf66 said:
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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They say a lot. Saying and doing are not the same.

moacyrfilho said:
The removal of MediaScape from Arc tells us that they know where the problem is. Let's hope they fix this "problem" on x10 too.
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I think they removed the mediascape app because it was so hard to new people to find the music player and photo gallery.
just think about it:
you have a new phone, and you would like to play some music, you first go to the music player but you can't find it because there is no music icon on the menu
Grab a samsung phone and try to play some music, the player is called "Music", the video player is "Videos" and the gallery is "Gallery"

robbyf66 said:
Apple Iphone 3G is still getting latest updates - same day as the latest iPhone 4, not ALL the features because it's got old hardware but there aware of that.
SE should be aware of it to, yes x10 can run 2.1 2.2, 2.3 ect so they should. There opinion is why there not updating. (why not the majority, the users decide)
Why can't we get hardware based updates? HTC magic/hero got tons of updates..
Yes new models will come out, but it's the same OS to update, not that much off a difference, our devs do there work in spare time and takes 2-3 weeks to come up with ASOP OS, (which is what i prefer anyway). Imagine an entire DEV team full time? yes it takes more time for testing ect but still.....
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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You are comparing with 2 companies with different calibers.
Apple - every designer/ad agency/design house/design school in this world purchase their 'godly' machines for work purposes. And these macs don't come cheap, mind you. With that amount of revenue, they can afford to create an iPhone, using their 'lagless' (yeah, right) macintosh reputations to breed a colony of iZombies to support their cause.
With the iZombies having the need to own a iAmagodlyproduct, with such supporters pumping money into their pockets, they can afford to offset any losses by being nice to
Update old iPhones even if new models are out, cos they know iZombies are already impressed with them playing the nice card and that they are confident that with their good reputation and a better new phone out, A majority of iZombies who have too much money to spare will still buy it. They are just giving an aww-I understand-you-can't-afford-a-new-phone-yet-so-I-will-update-you-periodically-so-that-you-will-come-back-to-me-when-you-have-money message to the poorer parties.
Now for Sony Ericsson (or just insert any other brand names). Let me ask you. Though they are an established brand, but let me ask you, how many people will own 1 of those expensive TVs or VAIOS? Comparing with Apple, no competition.
They don't have that much extra revenue to play nice. They can only strategize and try to earn as such as possible before their products become obsolete.
It's just like people like Donald Trump, who has so much money to play with, he can just give away to some random person on the street if he wants to. But if you try doing up a business yourself, would you give away your money to charity organizations, knowing that you cannot afford to spend the money that way? Most probably not. Unless you don't mind closing down your business due to losses.

All these threads are getting sooooooo repetitive!!! There should be one big sticky for anyone who wants to ***** and complain in any way shape and form about SE. That way this form isn't flooded with every thread turning into a SE bashing thread. It really is getting tiring logging on to see what's new and the first 50 threads are people *****in about SE.
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Lonelee - agree with much of what you say.. but it is also true that there are many many many people who go back time and time again to buy the next apple product BECAUSE they know that Apple will not leave the OS lagging behind on the old device when a new one comes out.. it's spectacularly good brand loyalty. SE (and many other) are taking a very short term view, and a missing a great opportunity to get us all on the hook for the next product..
In the UK for example, many phones bought on contract are free with a 2 yr contract tie in.. so if I know that they will look after me for 2 years, then I'll go back for more.. my contract's not due until Feb 2012.. so I'm eagerly awaiting to see their behaviour over the next 12 months!

well I m back on XDA after exiting from blackberry platform...blackberry provided me a stable messaging device for a while but as needs changed, it was very poor for browsing and getting work with attachments done.
i was at a party few weeks ago and my friend took out his Xperia Z claiming this is the best camera phone.
to his disappointment, it was the darkest blurriest pic i have seen whereas my lumia 920 took a pic with DSLR-like clarity and image characteristics.
i am not sure how much sony has improved but seems like they are still a market follower and using marketing dollars to brag about their phones that do not perform as advertised.
after having wasted my student savings on 2 of their phones, I regret and wish I had bought a better phone for my first android experience.

product lifecycle
Hi,
I am not sure if I should blame any company for moving to newer (and maybe better) products. In the android phone market we have the nearly unique situation to be able to get our hands and minds at the software which is driving the product, at least partly.
This is quite different from cars or coffeemakers.
What I would like to from Sony is that when they decide to abandon a product (eg X10), they open up the sources of drivers etc, so that interested people can maintain their products for themselves.
I can understand that they wont open up the sources for current products.
A.

effective strategy to get X10 updates to 2.2, 2.3, & beyond

I have begun posting comments every time I find an article on SonyEricsson's Xperia arc advising consumers looking for phones to take into consideration SE's current history of updates for the existing Xperia X10 series which are all still under contract. If a lot of us just continue doing this, then SonyEricsson will see these comments -- and consumers will think twice about getting a SE phone when there are other choices available.
Below is what I wrote on a couple of recent articles on the Xperia arc. Please feel free to amend this to suit your purposes. Also, please improve on my attempt and post your scripts for other people to post -- and provide links to some of the high traffic sites. Because SonyEricsson really is demonstrating its commitment now, spreading these messages really does have promise to force SonyEricsson to change course -- if they want to continue selling phones!
With contracts being typically 2 years, SonyEricsson's decision to abandon updates to the Xperia X10 series in less than one year is disgraceful, especially with the benefits of 2.2 (adobe flash, install to SD, processor optimizations, etc.).
And with SonyEricsson demonstrating this attitude with the existing, high-performance Xperia X10 series (which is more than capable of running 2.2, 2.3, and later), why would anyone trust them to do any different on the new Xperia arc?
The meaning of SonyEricsson's choices now are obvious to informed consumers: if you want to get the improvements to your phone that come from new versions of android, avoid SonyEricsson. HTC and others have a *much better* track record for providing updates to their customers.
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omg, people are tired of this ****.
/Close thread please.

Are you braindead enough to think that SE doesn't know we would like newer Android versions?
They're a business, not a charity. They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that.

If we just sit here and take it, then SE will be content to dish it out. If, otoh, we even appear to be able to dissuade new customers from going with SE, then they will support us because it is in SE's interest.
That. is. simple.

Better get to work then. Samsung ain't doing so hot with updates either. HTC has stopped with their older phones as well. Motorola has ignored a lot of its non-Verizon Droids.
What's left? The iPhone?

iead1 said:
Better get to work then. Samsung ain't doing so hot with updates either. HTC has stopped with their older phones as well. Motorola has ignored a lot of its non-Verizon Droids.
What's left? The iPhone?
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Pretty much this. I'm all for complaining, but if you want up-to-date software, you have two choices: iphone or nexus.
I don't think that it's wasted effort to complain. How else would companies know how to service their customers better? Personally, I've given up on pretty much every manufacturer. As much as I hate apple, I'm pretty tempted to get an iphone if they were compatible with T-mobile's 3g just for the continued support because I'm not super happy with the design of the nexus line.

i try to do this in many facebook post under SE`s pages.
it better than nothing

Great another idiotic thread.
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iead1 said:
Are you braindead enough to think that SE doesn't know we would like newer Android versions?
They're a business, not a charity. They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that.
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Old phone?
It was launched in March 2010.

the funniest thing about these threads are the people that go on to say... "Great another idiotic thread"
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"Are you braindead enough to think that SE doesn't know we would like newer Android versions? They're a business, not a charity. They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that."
If you really think these things are that stupid, why do you even bother clicking on them when it clearly states what the thread is about... in this case anyway. Are you guys really that big of losers in life that you can't go by on the internet without clicking every single thread or do you just have that much time on your hands?
Either way i am sure some of us have come to a conclusion as to who the actual "idiot" or "braindead" is.
Oh and may i suggest some charity work if you have too much time on your hands?

Not a bad intention, but all these efforts are useless to "fight" against this. SE won't do things in the way people want. None of the other companies either will.
So why just don't give up and buy Arc? SE will happy for getting your $$$ preference again, and you'll be happy too 'cause you'll be in the top of the trend and with a phone with Gingerbread, the newest Android version. END.
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Seriously, this has been discussed enough already.

I agree the entitlement generation needs to stop crying. However, threads like this one offer a solution to the problem, which I would support. Freedom of speech has been effective in creating change all over the world and throughout history. You cant change anything if you don't try. Those of you who post to close this thread are doing the same thing, just counterproductive.
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just why bother? if they did (for whatever reason) decide to release a SE 2.2 or above, it would be so full of bloatware that any benefit would be gone anyway. ive been running zdzihu's 2.2 froyo ROM for ages on mine, and there is a 2.3 gingerbread ROM that Jerpelea has made out even. Yes they are beta, or even alpha, but even if SE said yep we are doing it, they would take another 6 months to get it out - dont you think the custom 2.2, 2.3 would be just about perfect by then?
support the DEVS, not the global companies
stuff SE - i hate there roms anyway!

iead1 said:
Better get to work then. Samsung ain't doing so hot with updates either. HTC has stopped with their older phones as well. Motorola has ignored a lot of its non-Verizon Droids.
What's left? The iPhone?
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define old phones
if you say a 3 years old phone ok then it's ok not a phone with less thn 1 year of life span

alankstiyo said:
define old phones
if you say a 3 years old phone ok then it's ok not a phone with less thn 1 year of life span
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This device is good. It's freakin sexy. It's capable of running Froyo and Gingerbread. Until the new SE devices come out, this is their flagship phone.
I repeat, this phone is sexy, even next to the Arc, it still looks sexy and relevant. The innards are still relevant.
I don't understand why it's being treated like the SE bastard child.

We're in the driver's seat. Why not grab the wheel?
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I don't understand why it's being treated like the SE bastard child.
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Because SonyEricsson is gambling they can get away with it.
The mass of users typically just complain to each other after they've already got the device and seen its limitations. "I'll never buy another one of their products!" But that is where it ends. Flashy ads for new products can overcome that kind of friction from scattered individuals.
But SonyEricsson needs good press to sell their new phones, and if the current users of SE phones are telling everyone in the venues promoting the new phones how SE is refusing to update what they have now, potential customers will be turned away.
Maybe this hasn't happened before because there was no android OS to make this all so transparent. Now it is easy for everyone to understand. New customers and old all speak the same language: android! If SE has current devices that are technically capable and they aren't keeping them up to date, why would they do so with their next device? They won't. The arc still has the Timescape and Mediascape cruft that is making the updates so hard; that hasn't changed. And the arc is going to have a single-core processor when the competitors will be pushing out phones with dual-cores. SE will predictably move from the arc as soon as they can and shift all their focus to the next phone. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
SE is in a pattern of peddling near non-update-able phones. We just have to say that often enough, and they will change -- period.
And with the limited number of high-volume review sites, just one person would make a difference. A dozen or so posting thoughtful messages would be able to keep the issue visible on all the top-tier sites. A few hundred customers searching and posting just a few times a week each would keep the issue front and center on virtually every site of importance to SonyEricsson. SE would hope the protest would fizzle. But why would we undercut ourselves like lead1, "They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that" and caifanX10, "So why just don't give up and buy Arc? SE will happy for getting your $$$ preference again"?
The kind of protest I'm talking about here is easy to do; it has motivated, dissatisfied customers steaming now; and SE can't really get around it. We are in charge; we merely need to do something.

this is a young phone (less than a year old) with old software (more than a year old OS)
I agree with the Update, some products are still on support after several years on the market, the idea of support is to patch the vulnerabilities and improve the overall performance. If SE can do it with available Android OS why not?

shonangreg said:
Because SonyEricsson is gambling they can get away with it.
The mass of users typically just complain to each other after they've already got the device and seen its limitations. "I'll never buy another one of their products!" But that is where it ends. Flashy ads for new products can overcome that kind of friction from scattered individuals.
But SonyEricsson needs good press to sell their new phones, and if the current users of SE phones are telling everyone in the venues promoting the new phones how SE is refusing to update what they have now, potential customers will be turned away.
Maybe this hasn't happened before because there was no android OS to make this all so transparent. Now it is easy for everyone to understand. New customers and old all speak the same language: android! If SE has current devices that are technically capable and they aren't keeping them up to date, why would they do so with their next device? They won't. The arc still has the Timescape and Mediascape cruft that is making the updates so hard; that hasn't changed. And the arc is going to have a single-core processor when the competitors will be pushing out phones with dual-cores. SE will predictably move from the arc as soon as they can and shift all their focus to the next phone. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
SE is in a pattern of peddling near non-update-able phones. We just have to say that often enough, and they will change -- period.
And with the limited number of high-volume review sites, just one person would make a difference. A dozen or so posting thoughtful messages would be able to keep the issue visible on all the top-tier sites. A few hundred customers searching and posting just a few times a week each would keep the issue front and center on virtually every site of importance to SonyEricsson. SE would hope the protest would fizzle. But why would we undercut ourselves like lead1, "They can't afford to keep updating old phones, or no one will buy their newer ones. Simple as that" and caifanX10, "So why just don't give up and buy Arc? SE will happy for getting your $$$ preference again"?
The kind of protest I'm talking about here is easy to do; it has motivated, dissatisfied customers steaming now; and SE can't really get around it. We are in charge; we merely need to do something.
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How do you expect anyone to believe or support someone who doesn't know what he's talking about?
There will be NO mediascape in ARC
SINGLE-CORE is available in GOOGLE's FLAGSHIP, so any dual-core is just to attract people who are easy to attract with the ( 4G-dualcore ) stuff
Have you actually seen the changes made in the ARC?
2.2 is a waste of time

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I have begun posting comments every time I find an article on SonyEricsson's Xperia arc advising consumers looking for phones to take into consideration SE's current history of updates for the existing Xperia X10 series which are all still under contract. If a lot of us just continue doing this, then SonyEricsson will see these comments -- and consumers will think twice about getting a SE phone when there are other choices available.
Below is what I wrote on a couple of recent articles on the Xperia arc. Please feel free to amend this to suit your purposes. Also, please improve on my attempt and post your scripts for other people to post -- and provide links to some of the high traffic sites. Because SonyEricsson really is demonstrating its commitment now, spreading these messages really does have promise to force SonyEricsson to change course -- if they want to continue selling phones!
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How about you get a part time job and spend your time earning some money instead? Then you could buy what ever phone you like.

HYPER-X10 said:
How about you get a part time job and spend your time earning some money instead? Then you could buy what ever phone you like.
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The OP is offering a constructive alternative to the whining going on at xda. Here we are whining amongst ourselves. Whiners whining about the whiners. This offers an outlet for the frustrations of those let down by SE, that would reduce the whining on xda, and potentially effect SE in some way.
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The No 2.2 suckz, but Thank You SE for MT.

I can whine and complain all day about, how not getting froyo or gingerbread sucks.
But I'm really digging this dualtouch thinggy.
The implementation is not bad as people said it would be, it worked on every app i tried.
And when I think, that Sony Ericsson didn't have to do it, they just did, to make their customers feel a bit better about their device. They lose money, not gain, from releasing software updates, and unlike Nokia, Samsung, RIM, and Apple, u must realise that right now, Sony Ericsson doesn't really have money. Read Financials. So, X10 users should appreciate this, and, heck, they changed their minds about the MT thing, they might just do the same for Froyo or Gingerbread (Call it a hunch).

I just don't agree with your opinion about SE, but it's your point of view.
And is not multitouch, is dualtouch, wich is still good and if you say it works with most apps around, then worth it.

lol, SE doesn't have money??? Do you think that they would be making another two fail phones ( PSP Phone and Xperia Arc ) if they didn't have the money?

The costumers should NOT have to read financial repports on the companies before they decide what device they should buy...!!
IF I was S/E i would actually fight with every thing i got, to give the customers a feeling that I didn´t just want to screw them...
S/E is failing big on this, any X10 buyer with just a little tech sence absolutly have to feel that they have been ****ed by S/E...
Compare S/E with eg. HTC that deliver updates far beond what can be expected to the handsets...
S/E will not even support the X10 line for one year...

Quick question: After the statement that X10 won't get anything beyond Eclair, how many X10 unities would SE sell?
Just a question to those guys who are into financial estimates and stuff like that.

caifanX10 said:
Quick question: After the statement that X10 won't get anything beyond Eclair, how many X10 unities would SE sell?
Just a question to those guys who are into financial estimates and stuff like that.
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LOL you seem to ask a lot of questions my friend

MJ_QaT said:
LOL you seem to ask a lot of questions my friend
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Better than attacking and flamin', don't ya think?

pshdo said:
The costumers should NOT have to read financial repports on the companies before they decide what device they should buy...!!
IF I was S/E i would actually fight with every thing i got, to give the customers a feeling that I didn´t just want to screw them...
S/E is failing big on this, any X10 buyer with just a little tech sence absolutly have to feel that they have been ****ed by S/E...
Compare S/E with eg. HTC that deliver updates far beond what can be expected to the handsets...
S/E will not even support the X10 line for one year...
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Im sorry, but how many HTC phones have got more than 1 major android update ?
And then how many android phones does HTC have on the marked contra SE.....
Im not rating im joyfull, but hey, you bought an android phone with an old android version to begin with. And SE have actually done what they promissed, plus alot more....

caifanX10 said:
Better than attacking and flamin', don't ya think?
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Yet ANOTHER question
Sony Ericsson ( or any company that's involved in Android ) will not care about their previous Handsets in terms of MAJOR updates, they will look forward and learn from the past, of course they will support the X10 if bugs were discovered later, but they have done what they have promised...

MJ_QaT said:
Yet ANOTHER question
Sony Ericsson ( or any company that's involved in Android ) will not care about their previous Handsets in terms of MAJOR updates, they will look forward and learn from the past, of course they will support the X10 if bugs were discovered later, but they have done what they have promised...
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Yet another question :
What about Satio, Aino and Vivaz? are those phones already forgotten?

caifanX10 said:
Yet another question :
What about Satio, Aino and Vivaz? are those phones already forgotten?
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Those three phone were a mistake in my opinion, not because of their specs nor the hardware, but just because of the software ( symbian OS, UIQ )
They had a couple of more updates for them, but they cannot do more with symbian OS. But as far as I know they have fix major and minor bugs in those three ( I owned two of them ) still using Aino as a second phone

As a vivaz pro owner, I will tell you now, that if I was SE, I wouldn't bother my self with symbian anymore either.
UIQ in my opinion was the best implementation of symbian, then nokia tricked MOAP, and UIQ, into selling their shares, in the guise of hey, let's unify symbian. Then what happened, symbian was overly nokiarised.
When google improves android, they share, when Nokia updates S60v5, they go, well ur on ur own dudes. You know this.
Why do u think samsung got pissed last year and dropped all support for symbian.

Too bad, I really wanted to get a Satio about 2 years ago and an Aino 1 year ago
Seriously, don't get me wrong. I love my Xperia X10, but I now this phone CAN do more than SE rules. I think it isn't about getting Froyo (that won't happen, so ppl stop that, or unlocking the bootloader), but at least we should get an update to make this phone even better.
They say .24 update is good, I don't have it yet so I need to proof it. And this kind of updates like dualtouch are helping, but I think isn't enough yet. That's all.

dante2086 said:
As a vivaz pro owner, I will tell you now, that if I was SE, I wouldn't bother my self with symbian anymore either.
UIQ in my opinion was the best implementation of symbian, then nokia tricked MOAP, and UIQ, into selling their shares, in the guise of hey, let's unify symbian. Then what happened, symbian was overly nokiarised.
When google improves android, they share, when Nokia updates S60v5, they go, well ur on ur own dudes. You know this.
Why do u think samsung got pissed last year and dropped all support for symbian.
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What about Nokia and the Maemo project? Maemo is a good OS. I'd like to see SE experimenting with it in the future (would I be asking for too much?)

a2ha said:
lol, SE doesn't have money??? Do you think that they would be making another two fail phones ( PSP Phone and Xperia Arc ) if they didn't have the money?
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Dude, I know what I'm saying, and just so you know, you don't really have to have money as a business to make something, that's were losses and bankruptcy come from.
Let me put it into perspective for you.
HTC Q4 profit, 500 million dollars.
Samsung mobile Q4 profit, 1 BILLION dollars
Apple Q4, sit down for this one, 6 billion dollars
Sony Ericsson, the whole 2010, 90 million dollars.
It's so difficult for them to make profits, that if they splashed cash, they suddenly be in the red.
I'm not making excuses for them, but people should look at things from all angles.
How many updates do Samsung phones get with their billions, they have enough money to hire every single XDA developer for a year.

caifanX10 said:
What about Nokia and the Maemo project? Maemo is a good OS. I'd like to see SE experimenting with it in the future (would I be asking for too much?)
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I agree with you, maemo is very good. But then, Nokia has more or less dumped it for meego, and it barely has apps.

dante2086 said:
I agree with you, maemo is very good. But then, Nokia has more or less dumped it for meego, and it barely has apps.
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So, basically Maemo needs more developing, I think it might become an important competitor in the handset market. Hey SE devs, listen carefully, you have one more option beyond Android

caifanX10 said:
Too bad, I really wanted to get a Satio about 2 years ago and an Aino 1 year ago
Seriously, don't get me wrong. I love my Xperia X10, but I now this phone CAN do more than SE rules. I think it isn't about getting Froyo (that won't happen, so ppl stop that, or unlocking the bootloader), but at least we should get an update to make this phone even better.
They say .24 update is good, I don't have it yet so I need to proof it. And this kind of updates like dualtouch are helping, but I think isn't enough yet. That's all.
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Sony Ericsson's aim for the X10 is to make as solid as possible, and I have to say they managed to do so, compared to my Galaxy Tab 2.2...
the .24 is a very reliable update, right now I am waiting for the official update for the Dual-touch in UK so I can try and and see what happens..

pshdo said:
The costumers should NOT have to read financial repports on the companies before they decide what device they should buy...!!
IF I was S/E i would actually fight with every thing i got, to give the customers a feeling that I didn´t just want to screw them...
S/E is failing big on this, any X10 buyer with just a little tech sence absolutly have to feel that they have been ****ed by S/E...
Compare S/E with eg. HTC that deliver updates far beond what can be expected to the handsets...
S/E will not even support the X10 line for one year...
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Customers shouldn't read financials, agreed, but informed customers like u and I should. If u didn't want to know as much of ur phone and brand as u could, u wouldn't be on XDA.
HTC made in one quarter, over 5 times what SE made in a year, that means bigger workforce, more programmers, more updates.
Sony Ericsson had to lay off thousands just to make a measly profit. And fighting tooth and nail is what got them into that mess, remember when made phones that had insane specs for their time, K700, S700, W800, K750, K800, the P series, the list is endless. Techies like us loved those phones, but they cost money to make, and didn't sell as much.
So I think they are tired of fighting tooth and nail, they just want to survive.
And their new range is NICE.
Arc for my MTN line.
Xperia Play for my Etisalat line.
Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

caifanX10 said:
So, basically Maemo needs more developing, I think it might become an important competitor in the handset market. Hey SE devs, listen carefully, you have one more option beyond Android
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I can't see any reasons for them to go and try Maemo..
They will need:
-More resources ( Devs and Techs ), which leads into spending more money
-More time to get to know the OS
-Pay Nokia to use their Maemo OS
It will not end up good for them, especially since it came from Nokia.....