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G1 owners deserve early upgrade eligability for NEXUS ONE

I am feeling the hype of the nexus one, as im sure the rest of you are. It is truely an amazing phone, and i have a feeling it will have a xda following as powerful as the g1 has had. Seeing as though our phones are nearly out of date and close to its limit with android i was looking into buying a nexus one. NEVER would i pay 500 or so dollars for an unlocked phone. I have tmobile, but i have not had my g1 long enough for an upgrade(since last nov). Who else agrees that tmobile should be generous enough to enable us to buy the nexus one under upgrade pricing with a new 2 year agreement. They will be making their money from me, its just not right that we are basically going to be left in the dust.

No, g1 owners dont deserve anything. When you bought a g1 you paid for that phone. You never paid for any future proofing of any sort. This is like saying Windows Users should get every new version of windows free just for using windows.
You paid for a T-Mobile G1 and that is what you received. If you want to upgrade to a new phone you must pay for that new phone. These two phones have nothing to do with each other except that they both run Android. T-Mobile G1 is sold by T-Mobile, and Nexus One is sold by Google, it just happens to support T-Mobile's network.
If you think 529$ is too much just dont buy it, or wait for it to drop in price.

melterx12 said:
No, g1 owners dont deserve anything. When you bought a g1 you paid for that phone. You never paid for any future proofing of any sort. This is like saying Windows Users should get every new version of windows free just for using windows.
You paid for a T-Mobile G1 and that is what you received. If you want to upgrade to a new phone you must pay for that new phone. These two phones have nothing to do with each other except that they both run Android. T-Mobile G1 is sold by T-Mobile, and Nexus One is sold by Google, it just happens to support T-Mobile's network.
If you think 529$ is too much just dont buy it, or wait for it to drop in price.
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If anything, T-Mobile would at least upgrade G1 users to the MyTouch 3G like Rogers is going to upgrade their Dreams to the Magic because they say that it will not be able to upgrade them to 2.1 because of hardware limitations.
Doubtful that T-Mobile would take that hit though.

tazz9690 said:
If anything, T-Mobile would at least upgrade G1 users to the MyTouch 3G like Rogers is going to upgrade their Dreams to the Magic because they say that it will not be able to upgrade them to 2.1 because of hardware limitations.
Doubtful that T-Mobile would take that hit though.
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The only problem with that is the only benefit would be larger space for flashing a rom and wouldn't get the ram upgrade that you'd get if you upgraded to a magic. Unless they mean the 32b magic. Than i guess it would be the same thing. But imo, i'd rather have the keyboard then the extra space that could be solved by apps2sd.
I somewhat regret getting the mt3g.

I understand upgrading from a g1 to mytouch 3g, as they are very similar, but upgrading from a g1 to a n1 is like upgrading from a ford to a ferrari, price-wise.

I like the nexus, dont get me wrong, really seems to be advertised as an outstanding phone. I dont mind paying 500 cash for a phone, I bought my G1 for $450 anyway, but I am weighing my options between the droid and the nexus right now...simply because my number one love for the G1 is the qwerty keyboard, and droid carries that feature on but nexus doesn't.

Klyentel said:
I like the nexus, dont get me wrong, really seems to be advertised as an outstanding phone. I dont mind paying 500 cash for a phone, I bought my G1 for $450 anyway, but I am weighing my options between the droid and the nexus right now...simply because my number one love for the G1 is the qwerty keyboard, and droid carries that feature on but nexus doesn't.
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The droid has one of the worst keyboards I've ever seen on a phone, I don't recommend it
And T-mobile will upgrade you to a nexus. You just have to get out of contract and shell out $200 first

JAguirre1231 said:
The droid has one of the worst keyboards I've ever seen on a phone, I don't recommend it
And T-mobile will upgrade you to a nexus. You just have to get out of contract and shell out $200 first
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yeah so I've heard....guess im just afraid of not being able to adjust to an all touch screen phone...but i know i get 30 days to return if i dont like it so im try the nexus anyway, plus my favorite dev is cooking roms for it, so i gotta give it a go!

Let me clarify..... im am talking about the 2 yr agreement price, i believe it is $179 hell, i'd sign a 3 year agreement for it. I am not asking for ANYTHING free. i know i do not deserve it. just the option to upgrade.

Klyentel said:
I like the nexus, dont get me wrong, really seems to be advertised as an outstanding phone. I dont mind paying 500 cash for a phone, I bought my G1 for $450 anyway, but I am weighing my options between the droid and the nexus right now...simply because my number one love for the G1 is the qwerty keyboard, and droid carries that feature on but nexus doesn't.
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FWIW the Nexus One "enterprise edition" has been rumored to sport a fully qwerty. At that time I imagine they also intend to support both proxies through the browser as well as WPA2 enterprise natively, but I can't say for sure as it's all just smoke right now.

bubsy7 said:
Let me clarify..... im am talking about the 2 yr agreement price, i believe it is $179 hell, i'd sign a 3 year agreement for it. I am not asking for ANYTHING free. i know i do not deserve it. just the option to upgrade.
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yes we know, but fact simply remains that you signed a two-yr contract, a contract that stated how long you had to wait before upgrading...therefore, you must wait that time out....regardless of phone issues, thats with any cell company, T-mobile cant make business being generous, so your topic of this thread is just wishful thinking...but not a bad idea though, cus i agree it would be nice.

Klyentel said:
yes we know, but fact simply remains that you signed a two-yr contract, a contract that stated how long you had to wait before upgrading...therefore, you must wait that time out....regardless of phone issues, thats with any cell company, T-mobile cant make business being generous, so your topic of this thread is just wishful thinking...but not a bad idea though, cus i agree it would be nice.
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That's not true, you signed a contract to stay with them for 2 years. You can upgrade at any time, you just have to pay full price. They subsidize for new or out-of-contract customers to have them with that carrier

JAguirre1231 said:
The droid has one of the worst keyboards I've ever seen on a phone, I don't recommend it
And T-mobile will upgrade you to a nexus. You just have to get out of contract and shell out $200 first
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This is not T-Mobile! FOR THE LAST TIME! THIS PHONE IS SOLD SOLELY BY GOOGLE! Even if you buy it with a T-Mobile contract it will still be unlocked! Google is simply selling this phone with a T-Mobile contract in agreement with T-Mobile!
THE NEXUS ONE IS NOT SOLD BY T-MOBILE AND IS NOT A T-MOBILE PHONE!

Klyentel said:
yeah so I've heard....guess im just afraid of not being able to adjust to an all touch screen phone...but i know i get 30 days to return if i dont like it so im try the nexus anyway, plus my favorite dev is cooking roms for it, so i gotta give it a go!
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14 day return, not 30 days.

melterx12 said:
14 day return, not 30 days.
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oh, my bad, 14 days still enough, i'll probably fall in love the first day

JAguirre1231 said:
That's not true, you signed a contract to stay with them for 2 years. You can upgrade at any time, you just have to pay full price. They subsidize for new or out-of-contract customers to have them with that carrier
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yeah you're right...but who gives a **** about upgrading b4 time if you still goin pay full price...IMO, thats not an upgrade.

melterx12 said:
This is not T-Mobile! FOR THE LAST TIME! THIS PHONE IS SOLD SOLELY BY GOOGLE! Even if you buy it with a T-Mobile contract it will still be unlocked! Google is simply selling this phone with a T-Mobile contract in agreement with T-Mobile!
THE NEXUS ONE IS NOT SOLD BY T-MOBILE AND IS NOT A T-MOBILE PHONE!
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I know this, but T-Mobile is the one who subsidizes it. That is why I said it tht way

in any case, if you subsidize you are paying 80$/month for 2 years for a plan which without the nesxus one costs 60$ a month +180$ upfront!
24 x $20(Amount you are overpaying for the plan) = $480
$480 + $180 = $660
$660 - $530(price of a phone unsubsidized) = $130 OVER PAYED!

melterx12 said:
in any case, if you subsidize you are paying 80$/month for 2 years for a plan which without the nesxus one costs 60$ a month +180$ upfront!
24 x $20(Amount you are overpaying for the plan) = $480
$480 + $180 = $660
$660 - $530(price of a phone unsubsidized) = $130 OVER PAYED!
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Very true indeed...bravo. That being said people..just buy the dam phone unlocked from google...you have the option to shop carriers for the best priced plan. If you dont have $529, there is word that was discovered, hold on let me see can i find it......
Ah! here it is! its called SAVE

Klyentel said:
Very true indeed...bravo. That being said people..just buy the dam phone unlocked from google...you have the option to shop carriers for the best priced plan. If you dont have $529, there is word that was discovered, hold on let me see can i find it......
Ah! here it is! its called SAVE
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Subsidizing phones is just to make it more affordable for people who doesn't have the cash on hand. It's kind of like when you get a loan for a car. Most people won't have all the money for the car so they get a bank loan. When you get the loan you'll be charged interest until you've payed the car off. that extra $130 you are "overcharged" is just interest, in this situation.

Goodbye Hero

It has been fun.
With drama, hate, anger, and the awkward comments from guy to guy
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You are going to save me time. I'm loving you right now. Totally in a manly way though.
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Im officially selling the ol hero. idk when im sending it off but it will be soon. I gots to get the money for the evo I just wanted to make this thread to see myself whose leaving and just to say how much fun this has been.
so thanks to all the people, devs, and friends i made on the hero thread.
and this is also going to be another "whos going thread"
my useless post of the month
btw i also want this thread to be a "post your awkward comments thread" as you can see, damage and i worked together on his first rom and i think he really fell in love with me good times. so if you wanna go back and do some research on your own posts, find the weird comments you or someone else left and tell us the story!

I think I am going to pre-order one tomorrow.

but.....
Well, since you're leaving, send me money to buy an EVO!

I will be joining you if I can get my hands on one from Sprint June 4

even if I had a bunch of money I think the extra $10 a month would still piss me off.
I understand forcing people to get an unlimited data plan. These phones really need it and Sprint is extremely reasonably with their data plans unlike other services. However, I just see the extra $10 a month as a rip off and an excuse to try and get a quicker ROI.

centran said:
even if I had a bunch of money I think the extra $10 a month would still piss me off.
I understand forcing people to get an unlimited data plan. These phones really need it and Sprint is extremely reasonably with their data plans unlike other services. However, I just see the extra $10 a month as a rip off and an excuse to try and get a quicker ROI.
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lol people still pissed about the extra 10 a month ... DONT GET THE DAMN PHONE them and stop *****ing about it
im going evo 10 extra a month is nothing ill stop getting the extra coffee in the morning if i have too

I can't get the evo due to the fact that I have no money left over when I pay all my bills (cable, sprint, gas, electric) and buy food, so... yeah. Hope you guys like your evos

not getting the evo for the fact that i know already that phone wont last with me, the screen is way to big for my pocket, and it doesnt seem like it has durability, if its anything like that huge hd2 it wont last 3 months in my house, plus i keep my phone in my pocket, trying out my sisters hd2 was so awkward when i sit down i would be scared it would break because its that big. im going to wait for something iphone sized that has snap dragon with android. you guys have fun with that big ass screen.

centran said:
even if I had a bunch of money I think the extra $10 a month would still piss me off.
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That right there is my exact problem. I just picked up my Hero trade from CL a month ago to gauge how much I would like Android. Well I love it, but jumping up my rate 10$ for a 4G that isnt even in my area? Yeah... not happening.

dirkydirk23 said:
not getting the evo for the fact that i know already that phone wont last with me, the screen is way to big for my pocket, and it doesnt seem like it has durability, if its anything like that huge hd2 it wont last 3 months in my house, plus i keep my phone in my pocket, trying out my sisters hd2 was so awkward when i sit down i would be scared it would break because its that big. im going to wait for something iphone sized that has snap dragon with android. you guys have fun with that big ass screen.
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belt clip holster

I'll be joining you Av! I make enough money to pay the extra $10 bucks. Plus I get my cable for free...LOL

Sporkman said:
belt clip holster
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belt clips and holsters are for well.....lol just say there not for me, i dont seem like a belt clip holster kinda guy, they just dont look right, and as big as that phone is how dumb would it look to have this big square just sitting on my hip, thats asking for it to be stolen or its just gonna look dumb dude. its to big to go on a belt

I don't "think" I'll be going to a different phone, until at least October. Not to sound crass, but money is not an issue (I'm probably older than most on this board), but I just can't bring myself to drop $450+ on a phone.
I've only been with Sprint for as long as the Hero has been released (moved to Sprint on day 1), so I don't really have any upgrade options until my year has past.

I too plan on making the switch, and am going to pay outright $450 for it. Also, for everyone being unsure of the $10, if you think about it...your still paying less than you would if you were at Verizon, AT&T, or T-mobile. Sprint has the best phone plans in the market and quite frankly I care more about my plan than my phone, but with the Evo arriving, its a little hard to pass this up.
Secondly, if the $10 bothers you, see if you can get a student or company discount, that would counteract the mandatory $10 you would have to pay.
I have a 27% discount, so I can't really complain.

I think I will buy the evo on ebay once all the crazyness goes away. I also want to see the issues first I'm sure there will be some. I figure if the retail on the phone is 450, then within a couple months the phone will be $375 around that time. Even the high prices are coming down on the Google I/O phones on ebay. We all know the issues with the hero when it came out, so why rush.
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Well since my wife and i have plenty of money now i guess i could buy an EVO too but ill wait until root is confirmed to stick around and i want to see what initial problems come up with the phone at launch. Shame to see another dev leaving the hero.

pseudoremora said:
I too plan on making the switch, and am going to pay outright $450 for it. Also, for everyone being unsure of the $10, if you think about it...your still paying less than you would if you were at Verizon, AT&T, or T-mobile. Sprint has the best phone plans in the market and quite frankly I care more about my plan than my phone, but with the Evo arriving, its a little hard to pass this up.
Secondly, if the $10 bothers you, see if you can get a student or company discount, that would counteract the mandatory $10 you would have to pay.
I have a 27% discount, so I can't really complain.
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Crap you beat my 23% discount, wonder where you work ......

pseudoremora said:
I too plan on making the switch, and am going to pay outright $450 for it. Also, for everyone being unsure of the $10, if you think about it...your still paying less than you would if you were at Verizon, AT&T, or T-mobile. Sprint has the best phone plans in the market and quite frankly I care more about my plan than my phone, but with the Evo arriving, its a little hard to pass this up.
Secondly, if the $10 bothers you, see if you can get a student or company discount, that would counteract the mandatory $10 you would have to pay.
I have a 27% discount, so I can't really complain.
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i too have the 27% and i think im going to buy mine out right as well

I honestly didn't know soo many devs were leaving the hero, maybe i should just go buy one at launch and sell my hero for what i can get.

If I actually tried to go back and find all of the awkward things that had inadvertently been said in threads I participated in over the last six months, we'd have this puppy up to 100 pages in NO TIME
But, I'm not that bored right now...plus I've drank and smoked a lot since then, so I don't actively remember where said posts are...just have vague recollections of shaking my head and thinking "Oh, you poor dumb [email protected]@rd, you stepped right in it, and then put your foot in your mouth anyway..." Besides, most of the REALLY good ones have been deleted.

Htc hd2 -- $48.88

Sick to my stomach
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/06/walmart-selling-htc-hd2-for-48-88/

amazon
Amazon price: $49.99 (with new service plan)

I would have done this, except I couldn't add a line through amazon.

I wonder if the outright purchase price has dropped any? At this pricing it would have been worthwhile for me to renew my contract and get roped into the $30 a month data plan.
I outright purchased my HD2 since over the course of the 2 years that my contract would have been extended, the extra $10 a month for the data would have eaten up the savings of getting the HD2 subsidized.
Just the cost of being an early adopter

What the hell.
dropped $150 in what, 2 months?

rickyoon.vegas said:
What the hell.
dropped $150 in what, 2 months?
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It's quite sad really. Majority of the people who get the HD2 in the USA are not people who know what Windows Mobile is, and for the most part, get frustrated when they treat it as a phone, instead of a personal computer (SENSE's imperfections is partly to blame for this, which is why I never recommend SENSE to people). I can honestly vouch that the majority of people who got this phone got it because the screen is bigger than the iPhone (and that it is supposed to be T-Mobile's iPhone). That's about it.
Because of this, I"m pretty sure TMobile is experiencing so many returns/complaints from people who have little to know knowledge about Windows Mobile. Therefore, I'm getting the feeling that T-Mobile is starting to think that it's not worth it and is deciding to just push the stock out ASAP (lock whoever they can for the next 2 years), or what's left of it, keep a couple of thousand in stock for return/repair/warranty issues, and call it quits soon (which might lend proof to the upcoming rumor that T-Mobile is ending HD2 soon in July).
It's really sad, because the T-Mobile's HD2 is one of the most solid phones I have ever held in my hand which no cracks, crease, or squeaks. It is a hardware marvel in so many respects it puts a lot of other phones to shame.
Windows Mobile is an OS that is for a very niche market, because it requires a certain finesse and tolerance that a majority of users simply do not have (I give credit to Apple for making a device that works well for the features that it has). Windows Mobile phones are part phone, part personal computer, and part software-gadgetry-hobby for the tech enthusiast.

rickyoon.vegas said:
What the hell.
dropped $150 in what, 2 months?
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as above said, its probably because it is becoming a headache for them. I bet they've had hundreds of returns because people have come here, flashed the wrong thing and bricked it, plus thousands more who simply dont get the phone, and have no clue how to start to understand it.
As a line of phones its probably somewhere between a great moneymaker and a support nightmare for tmo.

Sheesh, cut the price I paid in HALF! The nerve....
($99 from Wirefly at release)
As for why, well, I noticed a lot of HD2 commercials from HTC leading up to the release of Evo, then haven't seen any HD2 ones at all after that. Understandable for HTC, but bad for TMO, and it's affiliates. Perhaps lower prices are trying to pull the interest back to the "older" phone.

I got mine at launch at wal-mart - it was $149, so this is a $100 price drop

Shame those of us who paid 350+ can't get some of that cash back lol.

Not to mention that the resale values on eBay will DIVE when we want to sell ours in a year and possibly upgrade. Prices people are paying for used Nexus One's and Apple 3G's is insane! Fortunately paid about 75 in May through Letstalk.com with a coupon so I can definately get that back in a year. At the time Tmobile was charging 199 with a new service agreement. Their return rate must have been like a tidal wave. Amazing that a month ago people couldn't even get this phone as it was constantly on backorder! Guess a software/radio upgrade from Tmobile is now going to be out of the question?!!!
Agree that is a great phone with some minor software flaws but the hardware has been flawless. Look over at the EVO forum and many are have issues with screen delams, bleeding of backlight, badly grounded screens that repond even when touching the kickstand. My HD2 has been perfect - no flexing, dead pixels or button problems.

hd2
i didnt even pay for mine yet. tmobile billed me 130 and i have to pay two payments of 25 bucks so 200 total but they credited me 50 so it was only 150 now i havent had a fone in about month cuz i thought id be paying 25 extra for 6 months and now the fone is cheaper then i got it for with an extra 50, i think im going to call them and try to get my price adjusted !! its going for a third of what i am supposed to pay i might threaten to leave tmobile again or something

just be happy you all got it so much cheaper than the rest of the world to start with. An extra 100 dollars is chicken feed.

Lawl. I would love that the HD2 gets discontinued. It'll make us remaining T-Mobile HD2 owners stand like the few and the proud.

PoisonWolf said:
Lawl. I would love that the HD2 gets discontinued. It'll make us remaining T-Mobile HD2 owners stand like the few and the proud.
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HA! That's what I think as well! It'll be like the "Hard to get your hands on" phone.

Really? The Few, The Proud, The HD2 Owner.
It's still just a phone at the end of the day. I just hope that I will now be able to pick up a second HD2 cheap to experiment with when an Android port becomes available.

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Shame those of us who paid 350+ can't get some of that cash back lol.
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Got that right. I just paid $400 less than a month ago without any plans

toygixxer69 said:
Got that right. I just paid $400 less than a month ago without any plans
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I paid $450 the first week of April for mine. But I don't have a contract to worry about and I am still using my t-zones service for $5.99 a month. So still worth it to me.

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It's quite sad really. Majority of the people who get the HD2 in the USA are not people who know what Windows Mobile is, and for the most part, get frustrated when they treat it as a phone, instead of a personal computer (SENSE's imperfections is partly to blame for this, which is why I never recommend SENSE to people). I can honestly vouch that the majority of people who got this phone got it because the screen is bigger than the iPhone (and that it is supposed to be T-Mobile's iPhone). That's about it.
Because of this, I"m pretty sure TMobile is experiencing so many returns/complaints from people who have little to know knowledge about Windows Mobile. Therefore, I'm getting the feeling that T-Mobile is starting to think that it's not worth it and is deciding to just push the stock out ASAP (lock whoever they can for the next 2 years), or what's left of it, keep a couple of thousand in stock for return/repair/warranty issues, and call it quits soon (which might lend proof to the upcoming rumor that T-Mobile is ending HD2 soon in July).
It's really sad, because the T-Mobile's HD2 is one of the most solid phones I have ever held in my hand which no cracks, crease, or squeaks. It is a hardware marvel in so many respects it puts a lot of other phones to shame.
Windows Mobile is an OS that is for a very niche market, because it requires a certain finesse and tolerance that a majority of users simply do not have (I give credit to Apple for making a device that works well for the features that it has). Windows Mobile phones are part phone, part personal computer, and part software-gadgetry-hobby for the tech enthusiast.
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Man u said what i would have

ouch
wow that hurts..i paid $250.00 for mines but it sucks how the price dropped. but i am happy i got it and because of the hd2 i was able to learn so much more on this website about how everything works and...thats priceless
Paten said:
I paid $450 the first week of April for mine. But I don't have a contract to worry about and I am still using my t-zones service for $5.99 a month. So still worth it to me.
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HTC Aria available on Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/AT-T-HTC-ARIA-ANDROID-AREA-NEW-BOX-FAST-/270595384107?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3f00bde32b
That didn't take long.

Ha, almost $500. Amazing how close it is in price (without contract) to a gently used Nexus One. Thank you for pointing this out.
I'm getting rid of my T-Mobile N1 because it sucks on AT&T (which I'm also stuck on due to insistent family members). I had bought the T-mobile version before any tech blog hinted that an AT&T version was coming out.
So anyway, Best Buy is offering this phone for $130 w/contract, with no silly $100 mail-in rebate for "AT&T cash" or whatever the hell it is. Yay!

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Ha, almost $500. Amazing how close it is in price (without contract) to a gently used Nexus One. Thank you for pointing this out.
I'm getting rid of my T-Mobile N1 because it sucks on AT&T (which I'm also stuck on due to insistent family members). I had bought the T-mobile version before any tech blog hinted that an AT&T version was coming out.
So anyway, Best Buy is offering this phone for $130 w/contract, with no silly $100 mail-in rebate for "AT&T cash" or whatever the hell it is. Yay!
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take a look at the aria specs 1st, you may want to trade your tmo N1 for an ATT N1.... :2cents:

Unsubsidized it's overpriced, for sure. There is only $30.00 between that and a new N1.

johng75 said:
take a look at the aria specs 1st, you may want to trade your tmo N1 for an ATT N1.... :2cents:
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I did research the specs, thanks... according to the results, its speed is comparable to the N1 despite the lower processing power (http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=14408). And it's been difficult to find someone who'd trade in this area... so I'll just use the extra $ to pay for textbooks. But thanks for your thoughts.
Attn1: It's funny how they overprice it (unsubsidized) and then throw a lot of $10 AT&T services in there that they hope you'll buy. Hopefully we can delete these when someone develops root or a rom for this....

I heard this phone will be available at costco for $99 (upgrade price) or 49.99 if you're a new customer.

AT&T's no commitment pricing is $379.00. That makes that $499.00 EBay price a huge ripoff.

It's $499 at my Best Buy. And I hate that they only have dummies so I couldn't even play with it.

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It's $499 at my Best Buy. And I hate that they only have dummies so I couldn't even play with it.
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Looks like AT&T no commitment price is the best no contract price so far.
damn pixie said:
I did research the specs, thanks... according to the results, its speed is comparable to the N1 despite the lower processing power (http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=14408). And it's been difficult to find someone who'd trade in this area... so I'll just use the extra $ to pay for textbooks. But thanks for your thoughts.
Attn1: It's funny how they overprice it (unsubsidized) and then throw a lot of $10 AT&T services in there that they hope you'll buy. Hopefully we can delete these when someone develops root or a rom for this....
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Well, on Ebay you can sell the N1 and pretty much acquire an AT&T version for almost the same money.
I don't think that AT&T's $379.00 no contract pricing is out of whack for an Aria, really when compared to phones like the HTC Magic and the HTC Hero (GSM) which both cost more.
I know what you mean about those $10.00 services though. That you can't remove that software without root access is cheesy at best, but it's not the end of the world, either.

The only extra cost services are AT&T Nav and AT&T Music. AT&T Maps is free (albeit unnecessary). Family Map is preloaded, but these things are easy enough to ignore until it's rooted. It's not like they're the only carrier to load their programs on. I doubt that everyone on Sprint is way into Nascar, but it's usually there.
It's a great little phone that's more powerful than the specs would let on. It's smooth and fast. Mine was only $92 with my upgrade and fan discount so I couldn't resist. I don't want another iPhone so this is the best alternative at the moment.
btw, they didn't block Google Maps Nav like I thought they might and it works great.

waltah! said:
It's a great little phone that's more powerful than the specs would let on. It's smooth and fast.
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I agree with you there. I got mine yesterday and it seems to handle 2.1 better than the N1 did! Of course, there are no live backgrounds... but I can have 7 apps running and it's still smooth, unlike the N1 which could handle only 3 or 4 apps before it lagged (on mine anyway... and using "end app" management programs at the same time... before I had upped it to 2.2).

I think this is the link to root the phone and install 3rd party pgms
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=706887

stevebonning said:
I think this is the link to root the phone and install 3rd party pgms
That is a link to install Non market apps or "Side loading" it's not a root....YET ;-)
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[Q] Phone upgrade?

Who thinks sprints upgrade isn't as good as it should be. Your with them for awhile and when due for a upgrade after 2 years but is it really a upgrade.
Most of the free phones are older and not new lol there older no one wants them thats why there free.
You get the same thing a discount a new customer gets 150 off with a 2 year new contract WTF.You would think after being with them for awhile you get a better discount that would be nice.
So what do you guys think? Keep it on topic what you feel about the upgrade. Also without getting insane about money there making and losing.
Just a general question no flaming or you will be reported since this isn't a flame war just a general thought on what everyone thinks about it.

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Who thinks sprints upgrade is a bit stupid? Your with them for awhile and when due for a upgrade after 2 years but is it really a upgrade. You don't really get to upgrade.
You get the same thing a discount a new customer gets 150 off with a 2 year new contract WTF. I don't get why they call it a upgrade when your charged same price as every new customer.
So what do you guys think?
Just a general question .
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Isn't this the case with all carriers?
Tapa tapa tapa

reaper24 said:
Who thinks sprints upgrade is a bit stupid? Your with them for awhile and when due for a upgrade after 2 years but is it really a upgrade. You don't really get to upgrade.
You get the same thing a discount a new customer gets 150 off with a 2 year new contract WTF. I don't get why they call it a upgrade when your charged same price as every new customer.
So what do you guys think?
Just a general question .
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Because then people would constantly whine that new customers and old customers get different treatment. You want different treatment, go to Radioshack or BB.

DirtyShroomz said:
Because then people would constantly whine that new customers and old customers get different treatment. You want different treatment, go to Radioshack or BB.
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Lol no just needs to be called something other then upgrade. Kinda dumb calling it a upgrade when your not really upgrading at all after all the money you pay for your bill over the course of 2 years.

reaper24 said:
Lol no just needs to be called something other then upgrade. Kinda dumb calling it a upgrade when your not really upgrading at all after all the money you pay for your bill over the course of 2 years.
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So you don't think you're upgrading your phone from an old one to a newer one with more features? The money you pay over the course of 2 years is so Sprint can make their money back on the money they LOST selling you a discounted phone.

I'm sorry but this thread fails. Lol. An upgrade means going from old to new. From good, to better. You're going from an older phone to a newer phone. A good phone to a better phone. An UPGRADE.
It's the same with every other carrier. Sprint is no different.
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josh995 said:
I'm sorry but this thread fails. Lol. An upgrade means going from old to new. From good, to better. You're going from an older phone to a newer phone. A good phone to a better phone. An UPGRADE.
It's the same with every other carrier. Sprint is no different.
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I guess he would prefer to pay full price like with prepaid companies?

Its the carrier I chose to do business with so I can't complain too much, they made it perfectly clear before I started signing away.

josh995 said:
I'm sorry but this thread fails. Lol. An upgrade means going from old to new. From good, to better. You're going from an older phone to a newer phone. A good phone to a better phone. An UPGRADE.
It's the same with every other carrier. Sprint is no different.
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Lol not really a fail was a question to see what everyone was thinking that was all.
I see how alot of people see it even tho sprint makes a thousands of dollars every 2 years off you no one seems to care that the upgrade is ****ty lol sometimes it's not worth using the upgrade cause there is nothing worth buying at the moment sometimes the phone your using is better then whats out. So each to the own.
Was a general question doing a study on thoughts of people who like the upgrade and those who don't so no FLAMING IF YOU DO FLAME YOU WILL BE REPORTED AND YOUR COMMENT DELETED. SO KEEP IT NICE AND TO THE POINT. THANKS.

Well....... I mean.... no carrier is just gonna give you a free phone when you upgrade. Unless you pick a basic crappy phone. They're giving you a 300-400 dollar discount on a phone... that's generous if you ask me.
I can see how you might think a customer who's been with sprint for 2 or more years should get a nicer discount, yeah, that would be nice. But that doesn't mean we aren't upgrading our phones.
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josh995 said:
Well....... I mean.... no carrier is just gonna give you a free phone when you upgrade. Unless you pick a basic crappy phone. They're giving you a 300-400 dollar discount on a phone... that's generous if you ask me.
I can see how you might think a customer who's been with sprint for 2 or more years should get a nicer discount, yeah, that would be nice. But that doesn't mean we aren't upgrading our phones.
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Ya I know what you mean man alot of people been picky with the store out here in TN the main big store in our area. There service people are a pain in the ass to get things done this is the only main store in the area.
Nicer discount would be nice you kinda sucks that they make there money back off the phone in 6 months and profit off you for the next year and half lol.

As an American I'm entitled to a free $600+ subsidized phone every year.

phatmanxxl said:
As an American I'm entitled to a free $600+ subsidized phone every year.
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LMAO nice if only it were that easy

reaper24 said:
Ya I know what you mean man alot of people been picky with the store out here in TN the main big store in our area. There service people are a pain in the ass to get things done this is the only main store in the area.
Nicer discount would be nice you kinda sucks that they make there money back off the phone in 6 months and profit off you for the next year and half lol.
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They don't make their money back in 6 months... it takes a minimum of 12 months to make their money back, after that is when they start making profit, assuming you're not taking advantage of the yearly upgrades in which then, they barely make any money back off of you.

DirtyShroomz said:
They don't make their money back in 6 months... it takes a minimum of 12 months to make their money back, after that is when they start making profit, assuming you're not taking advantage of the yearly upgrades in which then, they barely make any money back off of you.
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Never tend to upgrade unless there is something new thats been out for awhile so the bugs are all worked out. They do make money off many things there not poor lol.
Well if your bill is 105 dollars every month that adds up quick in my book.

reaper24 said:
Never tend to upgrade unless there is something new thats been out for awhile so the bugs are all worked out. They do make money off many things there not poor lol.
Well if your bill is 105 dollars every month that adds up quick in my book.
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Leta see that's 1260 a year minus the 350 they ate for you getting the evo ($910), plus running the stores, network, payrolls, and what ever other expenses im sure they make a slim profit margin in there somewhere.
I worked at Walmart they said out of all the expenses they only make 2% profit off a sale.

phatmanxxl said:
Leta see that's 1260 a year minus the 350 they ate for you getting the evo ($910), plus running the stores, network, payrolls, and what ever other expenses im sure they make a slim profit margin in there somewhere. Some of the discount carriers make you pay for the phone in full, but the plans are about half as much and the quality of service is sub par.
I worked at Walmart they said out of all the expenses they only make 2% profit off a sale.
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That's IF the customer stays for the full 2 years and doesn't upgrade

DirtyShroomz said:
That's IF the customer stays for the full 2 years and doesn't upgrade
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True. I weaseled out of my T-Mobile contract with no etf after just getting the mytouch 3g for $99 by moving out of the coverage area by 10 miles. They took a hit there lol. They wanted me to pay for the phone. I refused.

I'm sorry OP, but your logic fails on this one.

bjb_nyj101 said:
I'm sorry OP, but your logic fails on this one.
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Your losing site of the thread there man this is a poll on sprints upgrade.
So no my logic does not fail in this so please keep things on track or your post will be deleted.