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ooh la la new hero...?

Hey guys, just browsing around engadget and noticed that the new tattoo by htc had a transparent bottom curvy bar.. haven't seen that in the past.
http://www.engadget.com/tag/tattoo

jcarrz12 said:
Hey guys, just browsing around engadget and noticed that the new tattoo by htc had a transparent bottom curvy bar.. haven't seen that in the past.
http://www.engadget.com/tag/tattoo
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where is the transparent curvy bar? actually what is that?
and the htc tattoo is suppsoe to be an entry level ,low-cost, android phone. i wouldnt get it since i always like to have the best and would never settle for entry level.

brian_v3ntura said:
where is the transparent curvy bar? actually what is that?
and the htc tattoo is suppsoe to be an entry level ,low-cost, android phone. i wouldnt get it since i always like to have the best and would never settle for entry level.
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Aside from the resistive screen, the slightly smaller size of the screen and the keyboard, the specs trump the G1...

uansari1 said:
Aside from the resistive screen, the slightly smaller size of the screen and the keyboard, the specs trump the G1...
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yea.. htc learned to boost the specs of their new android phones... and besides g1 was just still a prototype

can we please get another android with some decent hardware and a keyboard
damn freakin htc, i don't want nothing anywhere near an apple, i know that is what the mainstream wants, but i don't, can't stand those on screen keyboards

gridlock32404 said:
can we please get another android with some decent hardware and a keyboard
damn freakin htc, i don't want nothing anywhere near an apple, i know that is what the mainstream wants, but i don't, can't stand those on screen keyboards
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Word. I bought the G1 because it wasn't an Iphone. The physkeys are freaking awesome and I can't live without them.. because onscreen keyboard for emulating would suck.

Would have bought it if it weren't for the resistive screen.

Tattoo (a.k.a. Click) doesn't have WiFi either.
Forget about us true geeks. This thing is geared towards mainstream consumers who want a cheap phone. I bet by the time it rolls into the US market, with the carriers' subsidies (read: 2-year contract) it will probably be free.
Can you imagine what this will mean to the Android ecosystem? Suddenly the OS will be in the hands of the people who likely never before seen the power of a smartphone. With even more carriers on board, developers will flock to Android like flies to sh*t because of higher market penetration, availability and exposure their apps will gain. Forget iTunes and their gazillion fart apps. I just hope Google gets their Market act together sooner rather than later.

Chahk said:
Tattoo (a.k.a. Click) doesn't have WiFi either.
Forget about us true geeks. This thing is geared towards mainstream consumers who want a cheap phone. I bet by the time it rolls into the US market, with the carriers' subsidies (read: 2-year contract) it will probably be free.
Can you imagine what this will mean to the Android ecosystem? Suddenly the OS will be in the hands of the people who likely never before seen the power of a smartphone. With even more carriers on board, developers will flock to Android like flies to sh*t because of higher market penetration, availability and exposure their apps will gain. Forget iTunes and their gazillion fart apps. I just hope Google gets their Market act together sooner rather than later.
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Nearly all phones are free? Esp those on 2 year contracts

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Nearly all phones are free? Esp those on 2 year contracts
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Really? All smartphones are free with a 2-year contract? AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile disagree.http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/packages/PackageDetail.aspx

Chahk said:
Really? All smartphones are free with a 2-year contract? AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile disagree.http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/packages/PackageDetail.aspx
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OMDZZ I did not realise it was like that in the USA! Feel sorry for yas:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/blackberry/
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/android/tmobile-g1/
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/windowsos/
http://shop.o2.co.uk/mobile_phones/Pay_Monthly/O2
http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobile-phone/nokia-n97?WT_ref=Homepage-Layer2-PayM-Phones-10
I CBA To link anymore lol.

Wait, I am in the damn wrong market, my g1 cost me $150 with a 2 year contract, damn you lucky bastards

gridlock32404 said:
Wait, I am in the damn wrong market, my g1 cost me $150 with a 2 year contract, damn you lucky bastards
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Before I settled for a G1 I was going to get a Nokia 5800 which was new at the time, 300 Minutes, Unlimited Texts, Unlimited o2 Calls for £20 a month, free phone. 18 Month Contract
It's nothing "special" almost all of our phones are free on contracts unless you want a brand new mega expensive phone (IE Nokia N97) on a dirt cheap £20 a month tarrif for a 12 month contract.
12 month contracts were the norm, this has slowly changed to 18 months int he past few years. We do have 2 year contracts and you can get some cheap and good deals on them but the majority go for an 18 month.

gridlock32404 said:
Wait, I am in the damn wrong market, my g1 cost me $150 with a 2 year contract, damn you lucky bastards
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Just be happy you're not in Canada. When the Android phones first came out they were $179.99 on a 3 year contract. Yeah that's right, we got 3 year contracts here folks.
Also we have S.A.F. and e911 fee plus crap plans

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Wait, I am in the damn wrong market, my g1 cost me $150 with a 2 year contract, damn you lucky bastards
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You still lucky. I got impatient. T-Mobile was sold out and I was waiting to get mine. I camped out in front of T-Mobile waiting for the UPS truck to come for a couple of hours. Then decided to check out the hood store and see if they had any and they said they had 4. By the time I got there which was right down the street they had 1 left. So I got it and when they went to ring me up it was like $350. And I was like dam it ain't that much at T-Mobile and they was like we aint T-Mobile. I got it anyways then about an hour later T-Mobile called me and said they got them in and got one for me. It was already to late at that time and I couldn't return it to the store since they got the ol no refund policy. Oh well I was happy with it.

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OMDZZ I did not realise it was like that in the USA! Feel sorry for yas:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/blackberry/
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/android/tmobile-g1/
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/windowsos/
http://shop.o2.co.uk/mobile_phones/Pay_Monthly/O2
http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobile-phone/nokia-n97?WT_ref=Homepage-Layer2-PayM-Phones-10
I CBA To link anymore lol.
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Holy crap... That's it, I'm moving to the UK!

Chahk said:
Holy crap... That's it, I'm moving to the UK!
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Don't worry... Mobile phones are pretty much the only things we exceed you on. Games, Movies, all other gadgets are generally released much earlier and for much cheaper in the US.

Why I Am OK With $530

After reading all the stories, lots of comments on blogs and forums, I have had enough of the BS about how $530 is over priced and way too much and blah blah blah. You guys want the latest and greatest but aren't willing to pay any more than $5 for it.
Every single phone worth money for years has had an unsubsidized price of at least $550 with a few exceptions of course (G1 is only $400, but it is a generation old hardware). An iPhone 3GS 32gb retails for $699 straight up. The HTC HD2 is $899 on Amazon. Good phones aren't cheap as I am sure a lot of you know. So in this respect, $530 is actually a pretty good deal; especially when you compare it to the HD2 which has the same processor and similar hardware. You are getting a next-gen phone with the best screen to ever be on a phone, double the ram of most high end phones, and double the resolution of most high end phones. You expected the best of the best to be cheap? Pfft...
Also, my current T-Mobile plan is superior to what is going to be offered. It will be cheaper and easier in the long run to just buy the phone straight up.
What I am seeing from people is they see $530 and freak the hell out because they have the $180 to compare it against. Sure, there is a big difference there, but you are locked in to a contract for 2 years. $80 * 24 months + $180 = $2100 over 2 years! AND you only have 500 minutes. If you bought the phone straight up and went with Even More Plus for $80/mo, you get unlimited everything. $80 * 24 months + $530 = $2450. Yes, this is more expensive, HOWEVER, how many times will you go over your 500 minutes in the next 2 years? If this is not a problem for you, by all means, go right ahead and get the contract deal since it suits you. But for me, and I suspect most people, 500 minutes is not enough. For the additional $350 over 2 years, or $14.58 and change every month, it is worth having those unlimited minutes.
Does anybody else agree with me on this? All of my phone junkies I talk to agree that $530 is reasonable. Sure, we all would love a less expensive phone, but lets get real here...
Oh, and if this "leak" turns out to be false, than what an awesome waste of time and all of this is moot! LOL

Agree with you on this. My current plan is dirt cheep for unlimited data and no 2 year contract, so I'll shell out the $530 if that's all official after the 5th!

people are trippin over $530 for a phone like this? I paid $550 for my unlocked fuze last year, $800 for unbranded touch pro 2 in April, unlocked motorola droid(milestone) is $800! Al least this phone has some kind of US 3G support, unlike most unbranded phones that come state side. I think I'm a get it day 1, and then get the Bravo when it come out later this year if Sense UI cant be import on the Nexus.

I agree with you guys wholeheartedly. To be honest though, I think it's most telling to compare plans in an apples to apples manner. I'm a dork with a background in finance, so yes, I created a spreadsheet to calculate all the costs incrementally to see where changes in costs were coming from in my comparison.
After running through the numbers and calculating total costs over a 24 month term, for the 500 minute EM and EM+ plans, with the respective phone costs, the total cost over 24 months if I bought the phone unlocked would be $1970. If I purchased it on contract for $180, the total I'd spend over 24 months would be $2100.
There's NO WAY that you'll spend more over the long term with the EM+ plan UNLESS you're eligible for a corporate discount on the EM plan (which I happily am). With my discount, the total for the EM plan comes to $1811, but that doesn't apply to everyone.
The problem here is that most people are spoiled by the subsidized prices of phones. What they're not realizing is that they're paying for that subsidy in the form of more expensive plans...and then some, as my illustration above clearly proves. If T-mobile allows us to finance unsubsidized phones for 20 months on EM+ plans, then this works out to be more manageable for consumers. Either way, though... people need to consider total cost of ownership (TCO)... not just monthly cost and initial cash outlay for the device.

Exactly! Thanks for doing that. People just don't look for future savings and would rather have instant gratification. They are excited by a cheap up front cost and monthly service fee be damned!

I totally agree with you. it is by far the best phone in terms of specifications and price compared to its competitors (iphone 3gs, HD2).
Thanks for explaining this to people.

T-Mo Unlimited Voice/Web/Text $79.99/mo x 24 months = $1,920
Phone: $530.00
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Total: $2,450.00
IPhone Plan
AT&T Unlimited Voice/Web/Text $149.99/mo for 24 months = $3,600
Phone: $200.00
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Total: $3,800.00
-No contract for the T-Mobile plan
-No texts? AT&T without any text message plan still comes to $3,320

I was hoping for unlocked-only availability. It would keep certain... um... people... from buying the phone and then flooding the forums with questions, tacky themes, etc.

Dont really care about the price. It's actually not too bad, but if they only offer a 3g for Tmobile version here in the states then why bother selling it from google? Now...if they offer a few versions that can do 3g on several of the networks, or the final device gives us 3g on AT&T and Tmobile (and perhaps they do a verizon version too!)...that would be an awesome sale.

lordmaxx said:
Dont really care about the price. It's actually not too bad, but if they only offer a 3g for Tmobile version here in the states then why bother selling it from google? Now...if they offer a few versions that can do 3g on several of the networks, or the final device gives us 3g on AT&T and Tmobile (and perhaps they do a verizon version too!)...that would be an awesome sale.
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I imagine that Google will be releasing high-end phones for all carriers this year. I think they started with T-mobile for a variety of possible reasons. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that they felt that T-mo should get preference because they were the first carrier to carry the Android torch to market. I also wouldn't be surprised if Google had planned this all along and that T-mobile was promised to get the first "Google phone". Obviously this is all conjecture, but it makes sense from a business perspective.

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I imagine that Google will be releasing high-end phones for all carriers this year. I think they started with T-mobile for a variety of possible reasons. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that they felt that T-mo should get preference because they were the first carrier to carry the Android torch to market. I also wouldn't be surprised if Google had planned this all along and that T-mobile was promised to get the first "Google phone". Obviously this is all conjecture, but it makes sense from a business perspective.
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But the problem with getting the first of anything is it will be ancient by the time other carriers receive their Android devices

Not necessarily. Given the specs of this phone, I can't see it becoming obsolete as quickly as the G1 did. I could be wrong, but how soon would you think a phone would come out with over 1ghz processor and over 512 ram and rom?

uansari1 said:
Not necessarily. Given the specs of this phone, I can't see it becoming obsolete as quickly as the G1 did. I could be wrong, but how soon would you think a phone would come out with over 1ghz processor and over 512 ram and rom?
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Aren't there already two other snapdragon devices out? What about the rumors of another iphone being released later this year?
I think the g1 may have been just as big when it came out. Times change, so does technology. The N1 may seem like the hottest new device, but it's the Nexus ONE just as the Dream was the Gee ONE. Look at where we are now. With at least half a dozen android capable devices out in about a year and 50+ rumored by 2012.

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Aren't there already two other snapdragon devices out? What about the rumors of another iphone being released later this year?
I think the g1 may have been just as big when it came out. Times change, so does technology. The N1 may seem like the hottest new device, but it's the Nexus ONE just as the Dream was the Gee ONE. Look at where we are now. With at least half a dozen android capable devices out in about a year and 50+ rumored by 2012.
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Your points are well taken. No one's saying that this is THE ultimate phone of all time. It's simply the greatest Android phone to be released yet, and based on its specs, it seems to be a very significant advance forward in hardware as compared to other devices, aside from Droid.

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Your points are well taken. No one's saying that this is THE ultimate phone of all time. It's simply the greatest Android phone to be released yet, and based on its specs, it seems to be a very significant advance forward in hardware as compared to other devices, aside from Droid.
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Before the Droid all the Android devices were mostly similar (form factor, screen resolution/size, cpu, etc). This is just like the Droid. It was supposed to be the greatest Android device until the next phone showed up a few months later. How do we know a device with similar or better specs won't show up soon? HTC's leaked roadmap has a lot of impressive devices scheduled for this year.
The marketplace is only going to fragment even more Developers aren't happy coding for all these different devices.

IDK if you all are missing the point or if maybe im just redirecting it but here goes
This does not fit into how google normally does things. Correct me if im wrong but the formula usually goes
Take good service/software and make it better + dirt cheap or free+data mining = profit$$
If they aren't subsidizing any of the cost, why should we let them have our data?

esincho said:
people are trippin over $530 for a phone like this? I paid $550 for my unlocked fuze last year, $800 for unbranded touch pro 2 in April, unlocked motorola droid(milestone) is $800! Al least this phone has some kind of US 3G support, unlike most unbranded phones that come state side. I think I'm a get it day 1, and then get the Bravo when it come out later this year if Sense UI cant be import on the Nexus.
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I am fully agree with your statement that at least this phone has some sort of US 3G support which many unlocked phones lacked or manufacturers are too slow to release the US 3G version (read: Nokia N95 NAM edition).
I think this angry attitude is a manifestation of our credit-driven lifestyle. Many people don't realize that paying cheaper price for a phone alongside mandatory 2 years contract (and ETFs if we decided to cancel) is more expensive. Even if they do, the fact that they can OWN the product NOW (regardless whether you can afford the whole price or not) is what makes it desirable in this part of the world.
Regarding the fact that it doesn't support AT&T 3G bands, well suck it up because iPhone didn't support T-Mobile 3G either and I'm sure there are many Tmob subscribers are interested to get that capabilities too. Until US cleared up these 3G band fragmentation (which probably won't happen), we are at the mercy of these manufacturers to step up their game and put in Quad Band UMTS as opposed to cherry picking 3 UMTS bands to be put into their phones.

Only thing making me think twice is when will a keyboard version of the hardware come out.

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Only thing making me think twice is when will a keyboard version of the hardware come out.
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The keyboard phone with these specs would be the next G1, most likely to come out just in time for the early G1 adopters to renew their contracts.

uansari1 said:
I agree with you guys wholeheartedly. To be honest though, I think it's most telling to compare plans in an apples to apples manner. I'm a dork with a background in finance, so yes, I created a spreadsheet to calculate all the costs incrementally to see where changes in costs were coming from in my comparison.
After running through the numbers and calculating total costs over a 24 month term, for the 500 minute EM and EM+ plans, with the respective phone costs, the total cost over 24 months if I bought the phone unlocked would be $1970. If I purchased it on contract for $180, the total I'd spend over 24 months would be $2100.
There's NO WAY that you'll spend more over the long term with the EM+ plan UNLESS you're eligible for a corporate discount on the EM plan (which I happily am). With my discount, the total for the EM plan comes to $1811, but that doesn't apply to everyone.
The problem here is that most people are spoiled by the subsidized prices of phones. What they're not realizing is that they're paying for that subsidy in the form of more expensive plans...and then some, as my illustration above clearly proves. If T-mobile allows us to finance unsubsidized phones for 20 months on EM+ plans, then this works out to be more manageable for consumers. Either way, though... people need to consider total cost of ownership (TCO)... not just monthly cost and initial cash outlay for the device.
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Expanding on this and assuming no discounts...
Option A) Buy the phone for $180 subsidized and the 500-minute plan for $80/mo, signing a contract to pay $2100 total over 24 mos.
Option B) Buy the phone for $530 unsubsidized and unlocked and choose the comparable 500-minute plus unlimited text/data Even More Plus plan for $60/mo for a total cost of $1970 over 24 mos with no contract.
So over two years of the phone and contract, you save $130 by going with option B.
But will you really last two years? Let's see what happens if you want to change phones after one year, which is entirely possible given the rate at which mobile technology is moving.
Option A) Early reports indicate a $350 early termination fee imposed by T-Mobile during the first 120 days, but no details have been learned about the fee past that window. Let's assume it reduces linearly to zero over the remaining life of the contract, meaning your fee for leaving early would be $210 at the one year mark. This puts you at $1350 to get out free and clear from the phone and contract.
Option B) You have no ETF, so you'll have paid $1250 at the end of one year.
So, even after just a year you still spend $100 less buying unsubsidized. Further, your phone will already be unlocked and unbranded, ready for quick sale on E-bay.
Pretty simple choice for me. Less money & easy to move on = no-brainer.

Goodbye Hero

It has been fun.
With drama, hate, anger, and the awkward comments from guy to guy
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You are going to save me time. I'm loving you right now. Totally in a manly way though.
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Im officially selling the ol hero. idk when im sending it off but it will be soon. I gots to get the money for the evo I just wanted to make this thread to see myself whose leaving and just to say how much fun this has been.
so thanks to all the people, devs, and friends i made on the hero thread.
and this is also going to be another "whos going thread"
my useless post of the month
btw i also want this thread to be a "post your awkward comments thread" as you can see, damage and i worked together on his first rom and i think he really fell in love with me good times. so if you wanna go back and do some research on your own posts, find the weird comments you or someone else left and tell us the story!

I think I am going to pre-order one tomorrow.

but.....
Well, since you're leaving, send me money to buy an EVO!

I will be joining you if I can get my hands on one from Sprint June 4

even if I had a bunch of money I think the extra $10 a month would still piss me off.
I understand forcing people to get an unlimited data plan. These phones really need it and Sprint is extremely reasonably with their data plans unlike other services. However, I just see the extra $10 a month as a rip off and an excuse to try and get a quicker ROI.

centran said:
even if I had a bunch of money I think the extra $10 a month would still piss me off.
I understand forcing people to get an unlimited data plan. These phones really need it and Sprint is extremely reasonably with their data plans unlike other services. However, I just see the extra $10 a month as a rip off and an excuse to try and get a quicker ROI.
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lol people still pissed about the extra 10 a month ... DONT GET THE DAMN PHONE them and stop *****ing about it
im going evo 10 extra a month is nothing ill stop getting the extra coffee in the morning if i have too

I can't get the evo due to the fact that I have no money left over when I pay all my bills (cable, sprint, gas, electric) and buy food, so... yeah. Hope you guys like your evos

not getting the evo for the fact that i know already that phone wont last with me, the screen is way to big for my pocket, and it doesnt seem like it has durability, if its anything like that huge hd2 it wont last 3 months in my house, plus i keep my phone in my pocket, trying out my sisters hd2 was so awkward when i sit down i would be scared it would break because its that big. im going to wait for something iphone sized that has snap dragon with android. you guys have fun with that big ass screen.

centran said:
even if I had a bunch of money I think the extra $10 a month would still piss me off.
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That right there is my exact problem. I just picked up my Hero trade from CL a month ago to gauge how much I would like Android. Well I love it, but jumping up my rate 10$ for a 4G that isnt even in my area? Yeah... not happening.

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not getting the evo for the fact that i know already that phone wont last with me, the screen is way to big for my pocket, and it doesnt seem like it has durability, if its anything like that huge hd2 it wont last 3 months in my house, plus i keep my phone in my pocket, trying out my sisters hd2 was so awkward when i sit down i would be scared it would break because its that big. im going to wait for something iphone sized that has snap dragon with android. you guys have fun with that big ass screen.
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belt clip holster

I'll be joining you Av! I make enough money to pay the extra $10 bucks. Plus I get my cable for free...LOL

Sporkman said:
belt clip holster
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belt clips and holsters are for well.....lol just say there not for me, i dont seem like a belt clip holster kinda guy, they just dont look right, and as big as that phone is how dumb would it look to have this big square just sitting on my hip, thats asking for it to be stolen or its just gonna look dumb dude. its to big to go on a belt

I don't "think" I'll be going to a different phone, until at least October. Not to sound crass, but money is not an issue (I'm probably older than most on this board), but I just can't bring myself to drop $450+ on a phone.
I've only been with Sprint for as long as the Hero has been released (moved to Sprint on day 1), so I don't really have any upgrade options until my year has past.

I too plan on making the switch, and am going to pay outright $450 for it. Also, for everyone being unsure of the $10, if you think about it...your still paying less than you would if you were at Verizon, AT&T, or T-mobile. Sprint has the best phone plans in the market and quite frankly I care more about my plan than my phone, but with the Evo arriving, its a little hard to pass this up.
Secondly, if the $10 bothers you, see if you can get a student or company discount, that would counteract the mandatory $10 you would have to pay.
I have a 27% discount, so I can't really complain.

I think I will buy the evo on ebay once all the crazyness goes away. I also want to see the issues first I'm sure there will be some. I figure if the retail on the phone is 450, then within a couple months the phone will be $375 around that time. Even the high prices are coming down on the Google I/O phones on ebay. We all know the issues with the hero when it came out, so why rush.
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Well since my wife and i have plenty of money now i guess i could buy an EVO too but ill wait until root is confirmed to stick around and i want to see what initial problems come up with the phone at launch. Shame to see another dev leaving the hero.

pseudoremora said:
I too plan on making the switch, and am going to pay outright $450 for it. Also, for everyone being unsure of the $10, if you think about it...your still paying less than you would if you were at Verizon, AT&T, or T-mobile. Sprint has the best phone plans in the market and quite frankly I care more about my plan than my phone, but with the Evo arriving, its a little hard to pass this up.
Secondly, if the $10 bothers you, see if you can get a student or company discount, that would counteract the mandatory $10 you would have to pay.
I have a 27% discount, so I can't really complain.
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Crap you beat my 23% discount, wonder where you work ......

pseudoremora said:
I too plan on making the switch, and am going to pay outright $450 for it. Also, for everyone being unsure of the $10, if you think about it...your still paying less than you would if you were at Verizon, AT&T, or T-mobile. Sprint has the best phone plans in the market and quite frankly I care more about my plan than my phone, but with the Evo arriving, its a little hard to pass this up.
Secondly, if the $10 bothers you, see if you can get a student or company discount, that would counteract the mandatory $10 you would have to pay.
I have a 27% discount, so I can't really complain.
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i too have the 27% and i think im going to buy mine out right as well

I honestly didn't know soo many devs were leaving the hero, maybe i should just go buy one at launch and sell my hero for what i can get.

If I actually tried to go back and find all of the awkward things that had inadvertently been said in threads I participated in over the last six months, we'd have this puppy up to 100 pages in NO TIME
But, I'm not that bored right now...plus I've drank and smoked a lot since then, so I don't actively remember where said posts are...just have vague recollections of shaking my head and thinking "Oh, you poor dumb [email protected]@rd, you stepped right in it, and then put your foot in your mouth anyway..." Besides, most of the REALLY good ones have been deleted.

release date in uk? can this be bought sim free

any idea on this, im desparate for this phone

mox123 said:
any idea on this, im desparate for this phone
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Well it's a CDMA phone so let's hope it never finds it's way to the UK!
I'm currently in the US for 3 months and my partner has just picked up the EVO and I have the HD2 (UK model using it here on t-mobile US edge data system) and the device is good, but, having "played" with it for a good few hours there are serious shortcomings with the Android OS (and that's compared to the Winmo 6.5.X on my HD2, YIKES!).
There is a tackyness compared to the solid feel of the HD2. Battery can drain before your eyes (don't know why that is as the unit is 1500mAh). Tried for 2 hours to sync with HTC's PC Suite, but, couldn't get it to work (and I'm no novice! But, I'll get the bXggXr to work). Micro SD slot under the battery. Yes I said UNDER the battery so no card changes on the fly! It's thicker than the HD2. Etc, etc.
I didn't mean this to be a review, but, I'll keep my HD2 for now.
The killer is that it's CDMA.
This phone is junk when you finish with it. It can't be recyled or unlocked for use on other carriers. It's becomes a very expensive piece of waste matter! Oh and the cost $299 with a $100 mail in rebate on a 24 month contract at $110/month (that's 135 pounds after rebate and 75 pounds a month so you pay 1935 pounds in total over the 2 years!!
My Hd2 cost me 10 pounds and 41 a month over 12 months with mobile broadband included on an upgrade.
BTW the telecoms industry here in the US is nothing short of a joke with consumers being ripped of at every opportunity. The problem being that the market is very immature and the consumers don't know any different so they go along with it.
If the US carriers had to compete in Europe then at least 50% would go under very quickly. We don't know how lucky we are.
Nokia doesn't even have a smartphone in the marketplace here!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well it's a CDMA phone so let's hope it never finds it's way to the UK!
There is a tackyness compared to the solid feel of the HD2. Battery can drain before your eyes (don't know why that is as the unit is 1500mAh). Tried for 2 hours to sync with HTC's PC Suite, but, couldn't get it to work. Micro SD slot under the battery. Yes I said UNDER the battery so no card changes on the fly! It's thicker than the HD2. Etc, etc.
I didn't mean this to be a review, but, I'll keep my HD2 for now.
The killer is that it's CDMA.
This phone is junk when you finish with it. It can't be recyled or unlocked for use on other carriers. It's becomes a very expensive piece of waste matter! Oh and the cost $299 with a $100 mail in rebate on a 24 month contract at $110/month (that's 135 pounds after rebate and 75 pounds a month so you pay 1935 pounds in total over the 2 years!!
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Tackyness? The Evo is built like a tank, and weighs just as much as one. The only thing you could consider 'tacky' is the fact that the battery cover gives a little when you push on it. I've never held an HD2, personally, but I do know that the Evo is ridiculously solid, or at least mine is.
Battery life all depends on how you use it. If you keep all of the radios on with maximum screen brightness with all of the apps running, you're obviously going to get some poor battery life. However, there are people who have kept their phone off the charger for over sixty hours without dying.
The Evo isn't the only phone with a microSD card under the battery; HTC did this because the phone is so tightly packed.
Some people like having a thicker phone. I personally enjoy it. As for the etc, etc, I can't imagine what that's referring to.
Even if you don't use it as a phone, the Evo is still an outstanding media player. With Wifi connectivity, the Android marketplace, and a 4.3 inch screen, it beats most portable media players out there.
The cost is $299 with a mail in rebate if you order it from Sprint. Every other store sells the phone for $199 without any rebates involved.
$110 a month? Only if you need the Hotspot functionality, which is easily duplicated by other apps in the marketplace. You don't NEED to pay those $30 a month. Besides, the Overdrive costs $60 a month to use as a hotspot, and that's it's ONLY function. The Evo is only $80 a month to own, which is still much less expensive than an iPhone.

To answer the OP's question.
No, you cannot change sims. No this phone cannot be used overseas. And No, nothing like it has been announced for Europe as of yet. Sorry for the bad news!
As for the above review, I completely disagree. I love the EVO and I paid the full $450 price tag (not eligible for upgrade/new contract.)
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how wrong it is.
Oh, and $110 a month is probably unlimited data, calling, and texting right?
I pay $65, 450 minutes, unlimited calling to other mobile phones, unlimited data, unlimited texting, and wifi hotspot thanks to rooting. Hell of a good deal to me! I use about 20 minutes a month (non-cell phone calls.)
I also get about 24 hours on a single charge with moderate use. I swap my battery for a fresh one each day at about 20-30%. So yeah, bad battery life? Sure, turn everything to on and to max and play a video for 6 hours and it'll be dead, but I don't do that and get over a days usage.

"Even if you don't use it as a phone, the Evo is still an outstanding media player. With Wifi connectivity, the Android marketplace, and a 4.3 inch screen, it beats most portable media players out there.
The cost is $299 with a mail in rebate if you order it from Sprint. Every other store sells the phone for $199 without any rebates involved.
$110 a month? Only if you need the Hotspot functionality, which is easily duplicated by other apps in the marketplace. You don't NEED to pay those $30 a month. Besides, the Overdrive costs $60 a month to use as a hotspot, and that's it's ONLY function. The Evo is only $80 a month to own, which is still much less expensive than an iPhone"
I'm guessing you work in the industry or very close to it!
In any case my comments, which are of course purely subjective, were for the benefit of the OP who if I am not mistaken is from the UK (as I am) and as such I believe he is better placed to understand the basis of my comments.
Even at $80 a month which equates to $1920 over the 24 month term + $199 up front (total $2119), that's a rediculous amount to pay for a phone you will have to throw away when you are done with it! Even if it is cheaper than the xPhone!

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Even at $80 a month which equates to $1920 over the 24 month term + $199 up front (total $2119), that's a rediculous amount to pay for a phone you will have to throw away when you are done with it! Even if it is cheaper than the xPhone!
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Doesn't the UK typically have cheaper phones? So if this was released in the UK it would likely cost less than it does here in the states. Then again, if you're looking at importing a US phone because it's the fastest Android phone on the market with the biggest screen and a freakin kick stand, then who gives a crap about how much it costs (I sure didn't.) We all buy what we can afford, only the stupid people buy what they can't afford (hence why most American's, and Greece, are in debt. Yes, I just called a country and most American's stupid.)

Hold on there! What's made you all so jumpy about this issue/phone?
My comparison was with my UK eye and I was simply relaying my thoughts to another UK member who probably has a similar eye.
I've been in the states long enough to understand the US perspective on all this, however, trust me when I say it's alien to us europeans.
That doesn't make it wrong or right, just different.
And I understand just how a good quality kickstand plays it's part as well as the difference in the cost of equipment that each market can sustain/support.
But, this phone would not be entertained anywhere else but the US (and I think some carriers in AUS) so that really ends it all right there, doesn't it?
BTW I hope all you Sprint customers are liking the headsets you got with your EVOs!
Only kidding cos I LUV GOLDEN CORRAL and we've got nothing like that!

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Hold on there! What's made you all so jumpy about this issue/phone?
My comparison was with my UK eye and I was simply relaying my thoughts to another UK member who probably has a similar eye.
I've been in the states long enough to understand the US perspective on all this, however, trust me when I say it's alien to us europeans.
That doesn't make it wrong or right, just different.
And I understand just how a good quality kickstand plays it's part as well as the difference in the cost of equipment that each market can sustain/support.
But, this phone would not be entertained anywhere else but the US (and I think some carriers in AUS) so that really ends it all right there, doesn't it?
BTW I hope all you Sprint customers are liking the headsets you got with your EVOs!
Only kidding cos I LUV GOLDEN CORRAL and we've got nothing like that!
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UK plans and price point will be completely different than the US if they were to have this phone as well right? (Complete hypothetical here, since we know the UK isn't getting this phone, yet.) Plus it would likely be a phone with a swappable sim.
What else about the phone would someone in the UK not like? The 4.3 inch screen? The 8MP rear camera and the front facing camera? The 1ghz Snapdragon processor? The FM Radio? The kickstand? The smooth glass surface? Dual LED flash? Android 2.1? Next generation internet connection?
So the only real negative if it was in the UK, would be the micro SD card under the battery (I've never needed to hot-swap my SD card.), the battery life (mine is over 24 hours a charge with medium-high usage, including hours of streaming Pandora) and the HTC Sync. I've never used the software myself, but I think that there has been an update since release, you might want to give it a go.
Oh, and you knocked Android as an OS as a whole, comparing it to Windows Mobile 6.5 that even Microsoft thinks sucks and has since dropped it. I love the Android OS personally, over BB, WM6.5, and iOS.
Don't try to make him feel better by knocking the EVO because he can't get it in the UK. We know that's what you were trying to do and the thought was nice and all, but the EVO really is the perfect phone.
(Yes, there was sarcasm in there and a jab at fanboyism.)

How Do People Keep Getting New Phones?

theres alot of talk of switching from this phone to that, but how do they do it? My dad has always handled the purchasing and contract stuff with tmobile, so i dont know. Theoretically if i wanted to switch from my vib to the G2 (NEVER!), would i just sell my vibrant and buy the G2 at full price?
note: this is just an example, G2's are stupid (for me)

Buying the phone outright, at least on T-Mobile, will give you cheaper rates. Part of your monthly bill is to pay back the difference between what the carrier paid for the phone and the discounted price they sold it to you for. For example, my Evo cost Sprint about $450 to buy it from HTC, however in exchange for a higher bill, they can sell it to me for $200 and make back the money about halfway into my contract. Like I said, I think only T-Mobile will give you lower rates if you choose not to buy the phone at a discounted price from them.
So yes, people usually buy them outright or they buy them for cheap off of friends or idiots on craigslist. If you do the math, most of the time it would cost you less to buy the phone for the full price if it means lower service cost. But most people want instant gratification and think...well they don't think lol.

A job helps. I buy my phones outright because the get more plus plan does not give upgrades, but over the long term, it saves money.

me i actually wait until the store is closed and "let myself in" and its usually a alot of phones out on display.

If you did not buy the phone outright (i.e. as an upgrade for cheap), and wanted to sell it and buy a different phone used, would that cause a problem for your account? Or would it just be as easy as logging into your T-Mobile account and selected a different device for "my phone"?

Terrier Hockey said:
If you did not buy the phone outright (i.e. as an upgrade for cheap), and wanted to sell it and buy a different phone used, would that cause a problem for your account? Or would it just be as easy as logging into your T-Mobile account and selected a different device for "my phone"?
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Once you pay for it, it's yours. You can do whatever the hell you want with it. Sell it, destroy it, whatever. As long as T-Mobile's getting their money, it doesn't matter.

dligon said:
me i actually wait until the store is closed and "let myself in" and its usually a alot of phones out on display.
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DEBO! lmao
IMHO, I'd say once a year is more than sufficient to upgrade your phone in terms of the technological jumps. Anymore than that seems like a waste of money. No one says you have to keep upgrading, its just a matter or preference. If you find a phone you love and works for you, stick with it. If you love having the cutting edge stuff and its worth it to you to spend the money, then by all means, spend spend spend.

a job and full price. lol. i haven't had a contract with tmob for like 4 years anyway...
but then again, i went from a g1 to the vibrant, but i typically get a new phone once a year. had a bb curve, wanted android and got the g1, cm wasn't cutting it on the g1 anymore, so i got the vibrant, when a substantially better phone comes out (dual core, better screen, honeycomb, etc), or the vibrant just isn't working for me i'll get a new one (likely the former).
that or my wife needs a new phone (she has a cliq...), so i may pawn my vibrant off on her and grab an sgs2 or vibrant 4g.

I have enormous piles of money all over my mansion. That's how.
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If you don't have any connections, then the best way is to go on T-mobile's cheap plans and then buy the phones used from a site like ebay or craigslist.
The typical cost for a new-ish smart phone is going to be right around $300... so you are paying more than the $200-with-contract price that T-mobile charges.... but you break even on the extra cost in 5-6 months by avoiding the extra monthly cost for service on a contract (since you buy the phone without signing up for a contract).
You can also usually sell the old phone for ~$100 after you unlock it, and put that money towards your next upgrade.
Right now, I plan to see how the battery life on the dual core phones goes. If battery life is improved, then I will shoot for device running "Ice cream" or whatever comes after honeycomb.
If battery life still sucks, then I will keep my Vibrant (and the 3 spare batteries I have for it) in the short term and keep an eye out for cheaper plans

Im in a college town and I can get things cheap off craigslist. I bought my second vibrant for 120 brand new with accessories. Just got an hd7 for 150 and ive bought 4 hd2 plus a couple broken ones from 40-150.
Key to buying phone monthly is patients, checking craigslist every couple hrs, and lowballing. I love to see a listing up for a couple days because its usually the green light.
Every phone i buy i usually see for 2x what I paid for.
Ive been living off my first real phones tmobile mda, samsung blackjack, and moto milestone. Ive been selling and buying since my mda. I try not to use my own money.
And all but not least I dont care for light cosmetic issues, thats what silicon cases are for.

imitebewrong said:
I have enormous piles of money all over my mansion. That's how.
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Lol
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intruda119 said:
Im in a college town and I can get things cheap off craigslist. I bought my second vibrant for 120 brand new with accessories. Just got an hd7 for 150 and ive bought 4 hd2 plus a couple broken ones from 40-150.
Key to buying phone monthly is patients, checking craigslist every couple hrs, and lowballing. I love to see a listing up for a couple days because its usually the green light.
Every phone i buy i usually see for 2x what I paid for.
Ive been living off my first real phones tmobile mda, samsung blackjack, and moto milestone. Ive been selling and buying since my mda. I try not to use my own money.
And all but not least I dont care for light cosmetic issues, thats what silicon cases are for.
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Exactly. Thats what I do. Just buy phones, make profit, and keep the cycle going until you have the Phones you want and they cost nothing.
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serban954 said:
Exactly. Thats what I do. Just buy phones, make profit, and keep the cycle going until you have the Phones you want and they cost nothing.
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yup all my phones are a result of selling my PSP years ago.
xD

scrizz said:
yup all my phones are a result of selling my PSP years ago.
xD
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only thing I really paid for was my moto miletone. I loved that phone and it was perfect for me. Everything else is from my original purchase of my mda. I get mad when I hear people trying to choose phones or game systems ect. I just bought a newer white 360 with 20inch moniter for 65 bucks on craigslist. Now I got a 2nd moniter and my girl got another 360 exclusive for kinect. Or just sell it and make 200+ for it.
Next I will get atleast 300+ for my 32gb vibrant( this title will make me alot of moniesssss) soon.

funeralthirst said:
a job and full price. lol. i haven't had a contract with tmob for like 4 years anyway...
but then again, i went from a g1 to the vibrant, but i typically get a new phone once a year. had a bb curve, wanted android and got the g1, cm wasn't cutting it on the g1 anymore, so i got the vibrant, when a substantially better phone comes out (dual core, better screen, honeycomb, etc), or the vibrant just isn't working for me i'll get a new one (likely the former).
that or my wife needs a new phone (she has a cliq...), so i may pawn my vibrant off on her and grab an sgs2 or vibrant 4g.
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Not really. All it takes is a brain. T-Mobile is addicted to promotions. I just upgraded my Vibrant to a HD7 for $200.
Free Online Promotion:
1. Order HD7 from T-Mobile as an Add-a-Line for $0 (they waive the Activation Fee) with a $15 Data Plan and Insurance.
2. Swap the SIMs in the Vibrant and HD7s.
3. Wait 2 Weeks.
3a. Sell the Vibrant for $200+
4. ETF the Line you added when you got the HD7 (it's using your older SIM*).
5. Total Price: $200 (Price of the phone for a new customer).
* You will still qualify for upgrade pricing when you would have if you had kept the Vibrant, because you still have the Vibrant SIM, you ETF'd the new SIM instead
If you're on T-Mobile, watch the promotions and wait. The only time you should feel like you have to get a new phone early is if you've been burned with an earlier purchase - like many [US] Galaxy S users feel they were.

intruda119 said:
only thing I really paid for was my moto miletone. I loved that phone and it was perfect for me. Everything else is from my original purchase of my mda. I get mad when I hear people trying to choose phones or game systems ect. I just bought a newer white 360 with 20inch moniter for 65 bucks on craigslist. Now I got a 2nd moniter and my girl got another 360 exclusive for kinect. Or just sell it and make 200+ for it.
Next I will get atleast 300+ for my 32gb vibrant( this title will make me alot of moniesssss) soon.
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The newer 360s aren't White, they're black.
Unless you meant a newer white 360 that isn't guaranteed to fail on you sooner or later?
The new Black "S" or pre-"S" Elite Models are fine, though.
The white ones... I wouldn't spend anything on them.

Buy a phone from craigslist and sell your old one on craigslist.

N8ter said:
Not really. All it takes is a brain. T-Mobile is addicted to promotions. I just upgraded my Vibrant to a HD7 for $200.
Free Online Promotion:
1. Order HD7 from T-Mobile as an Add-a-Line for $0 (they waive the Activation Fee) with a $15 Data Plan and Insurance.
2. Swap the SIMs in the Vibrant and HD7s.
3. Wait 2 Weeks.
3a. Sell the Vibrant for $200+
4. ETF the Line you added when you got the HD7 (it's using your older SIM*).
5. Total Price: $200 (Price of the phone for a new customer).
* You will still qualify for upgrade pricing when you would have if you had kept the Vibrant, because you still have the Vibrant SIM, you ETF'd the new SIM instead
If you're on T-Mobile, watch the promotions and wait. The only time you should feel like you have to get a new phone early is if you've been burned with an earlier purchase - like many [US] Galaxy S users feel they were.
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yeah, you could do that. but you pay more monthly on a contract plan than a no contract plan. plus, if i have a problem with something (or want to go to a contract for a phone), tmob is much more receptive to what i want when i'm off contract (and they check how long i've had service with them).
and i think you mean cancel the new sim/line and pay the etf on that. otherwise you lose future upgrade capability on the existing line. you physically swap the sim card between the two phones, but you cancel the sim that came with the <new phone line>. sim cards can't be reused, so you wouldn't be able to make your old sim use the new line's number and i'm pretty sure a sim has to be associated with a line.
why wait 2 weeks and why buy insurance? or is the two weeks to make sure the imei of the new phone takes for insurance (i don't have phone insurance, it's pointless)?
the hd7? that's a downgrade... and 'get a new phone early'? two years (22 months) between new phones is ridiculous, or at least is for any smartphone. once a year is about right with how technology is moving on phones.
i'm much happier just paying full price than doing some 'activate new line, call and ***** they didn't waive the activation fee, make sure the imei transfered for insurance, cancel line, pay more each month, etc.' dance.

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Buy a phone from craigslist and sell your old one on craigslist.
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That depends on where you live. Since this is the Vibrant forum I'll assume we're talking T-Mobile...
Not many people around here have T-Mobile, and their coverage is worst than Boost and Virgin so there are probably more people on Boost than on T-Mobile. Trying to sell a T-Mobile phone here won't get you anywhere.
Plus, the Value of these phones have gone down quite a bit.
Most people don't really see a point in buying a phone at off-contract prices, or anything close, because even if you buy at contract price and ETF 2 weeks later, the phone is cheaper.
So I rather buy on contract knowing I'm not poor and can ETF at any time on T-Mobile than buy a $500 phone and act like I'm better off because I'm off-contract.
$499 off contract, or $199 (with rebats) + $200 ETF fee two a few weeks later to end the contract?
Don't see a point in paying those prices for off-contract phones...
The contract prices only matter if you stay on the contract the entire time, but it's ALMOST ALWAYS cheaper to buy at contract price and ETF on T-Mobile later, than to buy an off-contract phone. You're actually throwing money away if you buy it off-contract.
That is precisely why AT&T and Verizon raised their ETF prices up about $100 bucks. To make the contract price + ETF = retail price. T-Mobile still hasn't, so it's cheaper to buy on contract and ETF break the contract after the first two weeks or month (depending on if you're waiting on rebates).