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This is in the Wiki, but thought I'd repost it here for all those who ask the same silly questions.
What Apps2SD does is shift all of your user applications (that would normally be installed on your phone's /data partition) and moves them onto a specially formatted ext2/ext3 partition on your SD card. This gives you the ability to install more apps than you would normally have the ability to. Sounds great huh? What's so wrong with that?
On the G1/Dream/ADP this app is a must - those phones have only a 256MB flash and only have 75MB for their data partition - it's
outrageous. Apps2SD/Cache2SD are great as they offload it the stuff to the SD card and reduce the limitation.
The HTC Magic (both 32A or 32B) and Hero are the next generation of Android devices though, and these phones have twice the flash of the previous generation (512MB). A large chunk of that (300MB) went to the /data partition, so installing apps isn't an issue.
There's also a number of real disadvantages to using http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Apps2SD&action=createApps2SD:
It will probably slow your apps down as it's thrashing the sd more - even if you have a class 6
you'll reduce the life of your sd card
you won't be able to remove your SD card/mount it on your pc if you wanted to without your phone crashing/apps dying/hanging/etc.
if your SD card is dodgy in the slightest then it will also cause the above.. crashing/hanging/random coredumps, etc - and you'll probably just blame the rom you're using rather than realising it's your SD card.
In the same vein, CompCache/Swap space/Swapper, et al are just as silly if you're a 32A/Hero owner.
Even on the G1/32B's it offers very dubious performance improvement - and there's no need with the 32A/Hero as you have plenty of ram. If you do install it you have all the same negative points I just listed above apply there too as they each use your SD card in much the same way.
Very old.
That post is quite outdated. The information there is relevant and fluid; however, whoever still follows that thread as being something to "take heed" to prior to allowing transfer of their APPS, CACHE, and DATA to the SD card they use...is entirely too broke to even own an Android-based platform.
SD cards nowadays; even the more efficient ones typically cost less than $30, including high-end retailers such as Best Buy and Fry's Electronics.
Who even worries about that crap anymore? That's such nonsense if you ask me. The fact is:
- Even if you could prove with some form of an exact science that utilizing those abilities and storing various amounts of data on your SD card was remotely harmful and could "wear down" (thus lessening the lifespan of the card) it would show that these results would be inconclusive until about a FULL YEAR had gone by.
Run-on sentence. I'm aware. But I had a point to make.
I just finished trying out app2sd in my magic for a few days and everything ran noticibly slower. I also disliked the notion of taking apps offline while copying via usb. I think this article raises valid points. *If* you aren't running out of room, then just leave it. You gain absolutely nothing.
DT
Hahahaha! I was reading for hours and hours of confusing tricks as how to do app2sd and whatever. Now comes a totally destroying tale!
I think ita worth it for a learning session to experiment.
My experience with previous sevaral Symbian phones, as most of them allowed applications to be installed on sd cards and nothing ever went wrong.Fring, Nimbuzz,Maps etc were on almost all times .Especvially Fring or Nimnuzz.
I like mu HTC Magic and put Enom's latest Tmobile ROM.It is fast and stable.Why couldny Android writers gave us the choice in first place- to select you appliocation to install in phone or storage memory like Symbian or WM? Is it something they forgot? Can it be included in future major updates?
It's not a concern of mine.
To put my response earlier quite simply:
I have 4-5 microSDHC cards laying around. All of which are Class 6. I'm not really concerned about "killing" an SD card sooner than it expected. It's an SD card for Christ sake.
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[*]you'll reduce the life of your sd card
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I don't think it's a big deal because nowadays most flash memory come with lifetime or at least 5 years warranty. And by the time my 16GB microsd dies, I probably can buy another one for less than 10 bucks.
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I don't think it's a big deal because nowadays most flash memory come with lifetime or at least 5 years warranty. And by the time my 16GB microsd dies, I probably can buy another one for less than 10 bucks.
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Pretty sure the cost of the card is the last thing to worry about. What if you have pics, docs, video that you haven't backed up for some reason and it takes all your info with it. Besides are people actually installing that many apps? I can't see needing or using more than what the phone can store.
Clinton
Money ain't nothing but paper.
Yessssir.
I could make it rain.
SD cards are so cheap. What's $20 to most people...nothing! Enough said. Thread closed. Lol.
While the cost of a micro SD card is neglible, the damage to your phone when you lose all your apps, preferences, settings and get random hangs, errors, slowdowns while the SD card dies IS an issue.
And who cares if you have a dozen or even hundreds of microsd cards - once you've configured Apps2SD then you're prettymuch stuck with the one you have - try and remove it and be prepared for a screwed up phone.
All this hassle for such little benefit!
Wow.
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While the cost of a micro SD card is neglible, the damage to your phone when you lose all your apps, preferences, settings and get random hangs, errors, slowdowns while the SD card dies IS an issue.
And who cares if you have a dozen or even hundreds of microsd cards - once you've configured Apps2SD then you're prettymuch stuck with the one you have - try and remove it and be prepared for a screwed up phone.
All this hassle for such little benefit!
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Bro, common sense...
BACK YOUR **** UP AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.
Problem averted. I'm a busy guy, but find plenty of time to periodically, whether it's bi-weekly, etc. to back everything up.
We're gravy.
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As was said, I doubt it will really matter.
And if it does... I prefer to down my SD card, which I can replace (and normally, not all recorded data vanish suddenly if it wears down ! you should only see total memory decreasing, and maybe loosing "some" data)...
....instead of my phone internal memory which I won't be able to replace at all !
I have a magic so for now I can live without apps2SD, though even now I am forced to make choices to get some free space.
Here are some of the issues I had running Apps2SD on my G1:
Backup for root users wouldn't backup apps that were on the SDcard.
If I unmounted or removed the card even with the phone off, many apps would disappear or become corrupt.
Sometimes things would go wrong and the only fix was to reformat and partition the SD card. I had big problems when I was testing Hero roms. I used two different cards and they both had similar issues even though they checked out fine.
Here is why I love Apps2SD:
There are so many great apps for Android and the memory limitations of the G1 would have kept me from being able to give dazzling demos.
Just getting it set up before all the tutorials were available taught me plenty about rooting around the Android guts.
It was really cool to be able to say "oh, you're out of memory? I've got 72MB free with 80 apps installed, but it's no big deal."
I say go ahead and try it out, but be prepared for the worst. I don't remember if Nandroid backups got the apps from the SDcard. I got a Magic PVT 32a with 288MB and never looked back.
Enjoy!
Bwhaha!
I don't back my computer up very often? Hard Drive....What Hard Drive? BIOS is all I got.... Pretty funny!
I don't think anyone is arguing against backups, and I agree the sd destruction argument is somewhat dubious, but that doesn't change the others! The point was: absolutely if you're running a 32b mboard apps2sd is worth a look, but as a magic user, I'm telling you I've tried it and went back after 2 days. The earler post about it being worth it as an experiment might well be true, but I wish I had read that article first!
DT
hi Radix999!
Thank you for porting 32a. My question is, how do i disable App2SD?
I'm using linux so i don't have problem with partions, my problem is to unmount /data/app folder.
Also, will nandroid backup /data folder as well?
Regards
if interested to disable:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5246028
Reignzone said:
Yessssir.
I could make it rain.
SD cards are so cheap. What's $20 to most people...nothing! Enough said. Thread closed. Lol.
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The cheap cost of replacing flash memory won't make the other points go away... and you still have the risk of losing your data. Throw all your money at your phone and you still can't mount your SD card without crashing some apps... all that paper ain't gonna make your apps run faster on Apps2SD than it does on system memory
To begin with, if you got all that dough, why don't you go get a 32A? Or better yet, go grab one of the shiny new phones running Snapdragon, no need for Apps2SD there
the biggest advantage from app2sd for me is not the fact that I can save phone memory even though I have like 80 games and 40 apps installed; but it's because it will save me a lot of time re-installing each and every single app and game between roms testing.
and the biggest disadvantage from app2sd is that your phone depends on that tiny little plastic too much. it wont even turn on without that piece of plastic; and thats very weird cuz i thought app2sd only move other apps (not system apps cuz your system apps are still in /system/app) to your sd card which means system apps should still be able to start your phone without the microsd. But I guess I was wrong cuz my phone wouldn't turn on wihout the sd card installed.
jus my $.02
APP2SD how?
How do you do apps 2 sd? i want to try it out. can some one help or point me to a different forum?
-rooted mt3g 32b
I think the whole life reduction theory is pure b.s whats the difference between you using your micro sd card on the daily bases to transfer data from a computer or having it transfer data in your phone via apps2sd? None at all they use the same transfer mechanism correct?.I have a G1 and a behold 2 been using the same 4GB micro sd card for over 2 years in my G1 I even swapped it and now I use it in my behold 2 (without formatting and without loosing my apps) and have yet to endure any problems/lag slow downs maybe the people who complain simply have no knowledge of the device.both of my phones are rooted with swap partitions and custom firmware and are 2/3 faster than what they were when they came stock.With that being said it will not slow your experience down if you know what you are doing.And you can remove your SDcard without damaging your device you just have to take the BATTERY out before you take the SDCARD out.I do this on the daily bases depending on which phone I prefer to use and theirs no evidence to support the reduction in life for the microsd cards atleast not on any of my devices.
Basic question, i know the specs are far from close, but when you root + ram hack on a G1, will there be much of a performane difference between a Rooted G1 vs a Rooted MT3g?
Questioning becasue i have the option to trade my rooted mt3g for a unlocked/rooted G1. I just hate not having a keyboard
What do you guys think?
Am i making a bad move to downgrade? Or not much of a difference/
The tmobile-branded HTC MAGIC is the 32B version, 192RAM, 512NAND. All HTC DREAM are 192RAM,256NAND. So the ram itself is the same, you just end up with less internal storage.
Just note a couple of things;
1) If you use apps-to-sd, then the internal storage is moot.
2) If you have root, there are no OTA updates, so the 65 MB /cache partition is freed up for other uses.
Personally, I would NEVER switch from this phone to *anything* that lacked a physical keyboard. And that includes a GN1.
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The tmobile-branded HTC MAGIC is the 32B version, 192RAM, 512NAND. All HTC DREAM are 192RAM,256NAND. So the ram itself is the same, you just end up with less internal storage.
Just note a couple of things;
1) If you use apps-to-sd, then the internal storage is moot.
2) If you have root, there are no OTA updates, so the 65 MB /cache partition is freed up for other uses.
Personally, I would NEVER switch from this phone to *anything* that lacked a physical keyboard. And that includes a GN1.
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so essentially i would have the same phone with a keyboard when rooted...is the cpu the same ? the 528mhz or whatnot?
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so essentially i would have the same phone with a keyboard when rooted...is the cpu the same ? the 528mhz or whatnot?
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1)Same CPU speed
yes
2)Same amount of Ram
yes
3)Same amount of ROM/Internal storage
No, this means that larger Roms will not fit on your Dream and you will have to use Apps2SD which makes a rom slower because of the links needed.Swap will also be used but not used on the Magic.It's up to you if any of this matters to you or not.
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3)Same amount of ROM/Internal storage
No, this means that larger Roms will not fit on your Dream and you will have to use Apps2SD which makes a rom slower because of the links needed.Swap will also be used but not used on the Magic.It's up to you if any of this matters to you or not.
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Incorrect, on all counts.
Larger roms fit just fine as long as you aren't a complete moron about it.
Apps2SD is ***FASTER*** than keeping everything internal. The reason is that you have INCREASED BANDWIDTH!
Just because you are running an app does NOT mean that it is the ONLY thing drawing data from some storage device.
Each piece of hardware has certain bandwidth limits. If you are running a program from the sdcard, then more of the internal storage device's bandwidth is available for other things, thus net speedup!
Symlinks have ZERO effect on performance.
As for swap... wow. Totally WRONG.
The devices have the SAME AMOUNT OF RAM and therefore the SAME requirements for using extra RAM.
If you DECIDE to use swap on one, then since the other has EXACTLY THE SAME amount of RAM, you would also choose to use swap on THE OTHER.
Note: SWAP is SLOW, and it is BAD for NAND. I do NOT recommend it.
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Incorrect, on all counts.
Larger roms fit just fine as long as you aren't a complete moron about it.
Apps2SD is ***FASTER*** than keeping everything internal. The reason is that you have INCREASED BANDWIDTH!
Just because you are running an app does NOT mean that it is the ONLY thing drawing data from some storage device.
Each piece of hardware has certain bandwidth limits. If you are running a program from the sdcard, then more of the internal storage device's bandwidth is available for other things, thus net speedup!
Symlinks have ZERO effect on performance.
Note: SWAP is SLOW, and it is BAD for NAND. I do NOT recommend it.
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sorry, bro. i generally agree with what you say... but apps2sd is NOT faster. I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space (this is my first actual smartphone not counting a blackberry) and once i got rid of it my phone has been quite faster. not to mention it burnt up the sdcard i got with the phone and another one i bought. (probably wont have this problem with a class 6.)
swap? lol. man how many times do i hear this. swap is personal pref. sure it slows your phone down. but 32mb backing-swap works wonders for me. it all depends on how you use your phone. and by NAND i hope you don't mean a nandroid backup. not once since I've had this phone has swap ever affected my nandroid backup in any little way whatsoever.
edit: oh as for physical keyboard: i was same way. had a friend with an iPhone and of course i played with it. well, i eventually learned how to use the keyboard so when i went to go get a g1 i decided to go all touchscreen and what can i say? i'm faster texting with a touchscreen than i am a physical keyboard. also, I have to point out that symbols are much easier to access. and when you have to write a long e-mail to college professors it's nice to be able to use them quickly and efficiently.
So, down to the nitty gritty?
It seems like everyone is more of a fan of the G1 vs the MT3g?
Is that the verdict?
To trade or not to trade, that is the question.
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sorry, bro. i generally agree with what you say... but apps2sd is NOT faster. I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space (this is my first actual smartphone not counting a blackberry) and once i got rid of it my phone has been quite faster. not to mention it burnt up the sdcard i got with the phone and another one i bought. (probably wont have this problem with a class 6.)
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You either had a defect, or did something wrong. By your own admission, you know **Mod Edit **about internal storage.
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You either had a defect, or did something wrong. By your own admission, you know **Mod Edit** about internal storage.
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if you're going to try and come off more educated than me, then may i suggest you read my whole post? much less go back to third grade english.
r3s-rt said:
sorry, bro. i generally agree with what you say... but apps2sd is NOT faster. I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space (this is my first actual smartphone not counting a blackberry) and once i got rid of it my phone has been quite faster. not to mention it burnt up the sdcard i got with the phone and another one i bought. (probably wont have this problem with a class 6.)
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I've used it with a Mytouch before i knew jack **** about internal storage space
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There's also a number of real disadvantages to using ?Apps2SD:
1. It will probably slow your apps down as it's thrashing the sd more - even if you have a class 6
2. you'll reduce the life of your sd card
3. you won't be able to remove your SD card/mount it on your pc if you wanted to without your phone crashing/apps dying/hanging/etc.
4. if your SD card is dodgy in the slightest then it will also cause the above.. 5. crashing/hanging/random coredumps, etc - and you'll probably just blame the rom you're using rather than realising it's your SD card.
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taken from xda-wiki... maybe you need to look at... number 2? **Mod Edit **sdcard + walmart doesn't equal class 6, giving it an ever higher chance of dieing.
jdedeaux said:
So, down to the nitty gritty?
It seems like everyone is more of a fan of the G1 vs the MT3g?
Is that the verdict?
To trade or not to trade, that is the question.
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The verdict is that the DREAM is an UPGRADE.
There's also a number of real disadvantages to using ?Apps2SD:
1. It will probably slow your apps down as it's thrashing the sd more - even if you have a class 6
2. you'll reduce the life of your sd card
3. you won't be able to remove your SD card/mount it on your pc if you wanted to without your phone crashing/apps dying/hanging/etc.
4. if your SD card is dodgy in the slightest then it will also cause the above.. 5. crashing/hanging/random coredumps, etc - and you'll probably just blame the rom you're using rather than realising it's your SD card.
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1.... well you will note that it says "probably" -- it does NOT say "definitely". There ARE circumstances where it WILL make things slower, such as when ALSO using SWAPPING.
I would like to point out a technology called RAID. Specifically, a subset of RAID: RAID 0 "striping". With this technology, you use two or more disks together to increase the performance. Overall data throughput is typically the SUM of the throughput of each individual disk.
This isn't quite as sophisticated as striping, but it has the same kind of effect -- that the overall peak throughput will be the sum of the throughput of the individual components.
2 is true of ANYTHING that writes data to your sdcard. Running applications on your sdcard does not typically write ANYTHING -- it is simply the process of INSTALLING them that writes. You can READ them an UNLIMITED number of times. As a result, it is NOT VALID.
3 *partly* incorrect. You can't *remove* the card (how many people actually do remove it? Answer: not many), but you CERTAINLY CAN mount it to your computer and read/write the fat32 partition (read only on the ext). Doing this does NOT cause ANY instability.
4 and 5 are the same thing, and this also applies to your INTERNAL NAND or ANY OTHER storage device that you happen to own. Your home computer, for example. What does it do if the hard disk starts to fail? Things start crashing and it gets real slow.
Summary of 1 through 5: Not applicable.
Just because the information goes over your head (clearly WAY over your head) does NOT mean that there is anything wrong with it.
And for your information, I am reporting this. This kind of disrespect has no place in civilized conversation.
Post tidied up. Next step is to ban anyone who continues to be abusive.
Remain on topic and civil. If you can't respond in that manner then don't post.
WB
lol you guys are nuts, i asked if i should keep my MT3g or trade a guy for his G1 and it got so bad the mods had to come in... now thats a ****ing nerd rage if i've ever seen one... Not being rude but you guys are the reason I can come here to ask these questions because i know im not gonna get a biased answer. Everyone DEFINITELY has their own opinions.
so..
G1 - 1 MT3G - 0
Anyone gonna ante up the MT3G or top off w/ the G1...
Just because you aren't swearing doesn't mean you aren't being abusive. Knock it off.
To the OP, it really varies on what you want. What matters more to you? To me, the hardware keyboard is a GIGANTIC plus. But I don't mind the extra bulk of the HTC Dream. Unless you have the upgraded RAM Magic, then the Dream is better imho.
Also, to finish things once and for all, Apps2sd will not have a gigantic impact on your SD card, at all. Yes, flash does have a limited life, and yes, apps2sd will kill that faster, but it won't be as fast as people are saying. Swap on SD, however, WILL kill flash relatively fast.
Hi guys,
I have been struggling with this issue since I have bought this phone, but today I have solved it. When it slows down , I have checked the task manager and it says the manila.exe was eating 98% of the memory. I tried everything, then one of my friend needed my memory card and I gave him mine and then suddenly my HD2 went back to race car situation. I played with it 3 hours nothing changed so that concluded that memory card was defective. I have formatted it nothing changed and bought a new one. Now everthing is perfect. I cannot say this is the solution but it solved mine. You may try it.
Good luck
Bro, thanks but this problem has been answered before.
Its known that the micro sd m2 slows down the phone.
so basically the memory card it comes with is trash and you'll have to replace it or keep your phone running slow?
Didn't work for me.
tekhizuz said:
Hi guys,
I have been struggling with this issue since I have bought this phone, but today I have solved it. When it slows down , I have checked the task manager and it says the manila.exe was eating 98% of the memory. I tried everything, then one of my friend needed my memory card and I gave him mine and then suddenly my HD2 went back to race car situation. I played with it 3 hours nothing changed so that concluded that memory card was defective. I have formatted it nothing changed and bought a new one. Now everthing is perfect. I cannot say this is the solution but it solved mine. You may try it.
Good luck
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i am not sure what class the sd card is that comes with our hd2's but i experienced the same thing. i just upgraded to a class 6 8gb card and the difference has been huge for me in terms of performance.
actually just your average class 4 SD card would make the phone perfome WAAAY beter.
I remeber when I purchase my HD2 and notice that it came with a 16GB class 2 card I was actually disappointed so I started using my 8GB class 4
So what ur all saying is that the major cause of phone lag is attributed to the cheap memory card?
Going to a class 6 from the garbage class 2 that came on the phone made a huge difference for me.
it will also improve the battery, especially for the people like myself that use the phone as an MP3 player. The battery drains so fast when I play music even with screen off....Im gonna look into a better sd card. It sucks though, the pack a craptastic Class 2 sd card and a small ass 1250 battery to power this massive screen. That still baffles me.
we shouldnt have to buy these
we should all just call tmobile and complain or take it to the tmobile forums, we all paid good money for these devices, last thing i need to do is go by something my phone already came with beacuse tmobile decided to cheap out.
When I got my phone I immediately swiched it out with my blackberry 16gb card. Everything T-mobile is trash except for the phone itself, I wish Verizon or AT&T wouldve gotten it. Coverage is behind horrible in my city with T-mobile. LOL
dukins said:
When I got my phone I immediately swiched it out with my blackberry 16gb card. Everything T-mobile is trash except for the phone itself, I wish Verizon or AT&T wouldve gotten it. Coverage is behind horrible in my city with T-mobile. LOL
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Coverage kicks ass in my city. Sucks to be you huh. LOL
jiggahj i feel the same way,i didn't even buy the phone yet and i already have to shop fo a new memory card,thats BS.
ummm wait wait... im kind of lost here... what do you mean by "class 2" "class 6" sd card?! >.> my phone started to slow down just today and yea.. when i take out my card its all cool... so so.. what are those classes? i never saw anything written like that on any card... and i had quite a bunch >.>
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ummm wait wait... im kind of lost here... what do you mean by "class 2" "class 6" sd card?! >.> my phone started to slow down just today and yea.. when i take out my card its all cool... so so.. what are those classes? i never saw anything written like that on any card... and i had quite a bunch >.>
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It's the write speed. They all read about the same. It's fast. But writing to them is much slower so they class them. You'll see a little number next to the company logo on the card. (2). The class 2 isn't horrible, but they had a batch. I used mine for a long time with no problems. But I did upgrade to a class 4 and things were better. Class 10 is the fastest that I know of but they are pricey.
Wow, i feel stupid for not knowing what the different classes were.
thanks. i'll be getting a new memory card soon
I rebooted my HD2 a couple of times because it was running SLOOOOW. Didn't understand what could be causing it - so using the dotfred task manager I discovered that for some reason Microsoft Voice Command was eating 100% of my CPU time...ha. I disabled voice command and all went back to normal. I rebooted a couple of times & re-enabled voice command and it seems to be ok now.
yeah the hd2 is a really great phone, the only thing keep alot of buyers away is the lag/freezes ): I think rooting and putting a custom rom will also solve it.
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It's the write speed. They all read about the same. It's fast. But writing to them is much slower so they class them. You'll see a little number next to the company logo on the card. (2). The class 2 isn't horrible, but they had a batch. I used mine for a long time with no problems. But I did upgrade to a class 4 and things were better. Class 10 is the fastest that I know of but they are pricey.
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OH HELL! There really is a lil "2" icon on my sd
But then... It was pretty fast like 2 weeks ago for me. now... it just slowed down... i have two "class-2" cards 2gb and 8gb ones, and 2gb is actually much faster rotfl. I just having troubles with BROWSING my files on card cause even my "file explorer" lags when i do >.> So yeah.. it used to be better..
and yup. i hard reseted my phone and formatted my cards. didnt really helped me.
i tried replacing my memory card from class 2 to class 6. it still hanged
i still have to wait for the text message/s to arrive before i can resume doing anything on it
forgive me if this has been said before...
i have been having major battery issues on all roms. i have installed most of them and tried all the different radios etc..my battery life would drop about 15 percent in an hour in stand by mode, and would drain really fast if i used it at all....also the os would be very laggy, and i was JUST about to put it on craigslist then i decided to take all my pictures, cabs etc.. of my memory card, and format the whole thing. WOW what a difference, night and day, i am on the new 9.0 Elacancia ROM, and i am living it. runs perfect, i have not used my nexus one since i did this...NO lag what so ever, and my battery life is AMAZING now...im on the brand new radio listed in the radio section
so, if you have any of those issues, format your SD card..works wonders..again, sorry if this is already known. just thought i would share..
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trying to get mine to look like the evo 4g.
ima try this later , ill update after ive used it for a while.
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ima try this later , ill update after ive used it for a while.
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great! i hope this helps some people...i know i live my hd2 so much more right now
not exactly quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. BUT.... i highly doubt that it had ANYTHING to do with your battery life... this statement comes from 2 sources.... common sense, and software development....
think of it like this....
your sd card is simply a storage medium... it contains data that is used in conjunction with your mobile device.... in order for you sd card to actually "increase" your battery life or even OS performance... it would have to somehow power your device electronically in order to have any type of effect at all....
like i stated before... not quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. and i fully understand that the battery issue with our HD2 can be a little frustrating and can/will ultimately lead to the "placebo" effect which occurs in a lot of the "performance" mods that have surfaced here on XDA....
unfortunately the best way to increase your battery life is to minimize usage... (which is retarded.... why should i buy a phone and not be able to utilize every single function available..???) or get a extended battery....
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on a side note though... what bothers me the most.. is that with the EVO 4G release.. it came stock with a 1500mh battery capacity... and there are ALREADY extended batteries for the device.. (WITHOUT having to have a stupid huge back cover)... this is extremely irritating at how no one seems to be able to develop a 1500mh standard size battery for our HD2.. when the EVO and HD2 are actually quite similar in dimension... thus the battery size itself is similar... this is mind boggling...
enjoy the lesson
ah yes.. and my buddy ken.. enter lame reply here..... ouche....... d ccheers
sd cards and how you use them can have quite an effect on battery.
by default the 2gb or lower ones come formatted FAT not FAT32, so they are a little less inefficient in read write
the block size that the sd card is formatted in can have a big effect on battery life. Say for instance 2k block size vs 4k block size, in a 2k block sd card you need to perform twice as many read operations than a 4k formatted card. The downside of increasing blocksize is more wasted overhead.
If you are using your card for mostly music and images, (i.e larger files), you can increase the block size significantly, right up to 16k, i would say. That way each read operation takes in 16k, 4 times less reads than 4k, 8 times less than 2k.
Plus, if you install a lot of your apps to the sd card, it will be pretty much running all the time, so the phone is powering three memory chips, rom, ram and sd, and the sd flash chip is more power hungry than the built in flash chips.
If you further have an app running from sd, and an mp3 playing from sd, and m,aybe the opera cache on sd like many have, you can probably hold your breath longer than 1% will last.
Ive been experiencing this too. I am backing up my SD now, and about to format to fat32. Twice.
Got this advice from Laurentis26 last night .
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Formatted to 16k, now loading up my backup.
~~Tito~~ said:
Ive been experiencing this too. I am backing up my SD now, and about to format to fat32. Twice.
Got this advice from Laurentis26 last night .
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And the verdict is?
I have heard some people reporting improvements after reformatting their SDCard. Though anyone formatting their SDCard make sure you back up your damn Transformers movies so you don't loose them, no one here can give them back to you.
One other thing I have found that helps is install all your apps on the phone instead of the SDCard. For me that has improved the overall performance.
ProjektFuze said:
not exactly quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. BUT.... i highly doubt that it had ANYTHING to do with your battery life... this statement comes from 2 sources.... common sense, and software development....
think of it like this....
your sd card is simply a storage medium... it contains data that is used in conjunction with your mobile device.... in order for you sd card to actually "increase" your battery life or even OS performance... it would have to somehow power your device electronically in order to have any type of effect at all....
like i stated before... not quite sure what it is that you're experiencing.. and i fully understand that the battery issue with our HD2 can be a little frustrating and can/will ultimately lead to the "placebo" effect which occurs in a lot of the "performance" mods that have surfaced here on XDA....
unfortunately the best way to increase your battery life is to minimize usage... (which is retarded.... why should i buy a phone and not be able to utilize every single function available..???) or get a extended battery....
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on a side note though... what bothers me the most.. is that with the EVO 4G release.. it came stock with a 1500mh battery capacity... and there are ALREADY extended batteries for the device.. (WITHOUT having to have a stupid huge back cover)... this is extremely irritating at how no one seems to be able to develop a 1500mh standard size battery for our HD2.. when the EVO and HD2 are actually quite similar in dimension... thus the battery size itself is similar... this is mind boggling...
enjoy the lesson
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sorry, but no lesson there...
love how some people talk down to other here...
samsamuel said:
sd cards and how you use them can have quite an effect on battery.
by default the 2gb or lower ones come formatted FAT not FAT32, so they are a little less inefficient in read write
the block size that the sd card is formatted in can have a big effect on battery life. Say for instance 2k block size vs 4k block size, in a 2k block sd card you need to perform twice as many read operations than a 4k formatted card. The downside of increasing blocksize is more wasted overhead.
If you are using your card for mostly music and images, (i.e larger files), you can increase the block size significantly, right up to 16k, i would say. That way each read operation takes in 16k, 4 times less reads than 4k, 8 times less than 2k.
Plus, if you install a lot of your apps to the sd card, it will be pretty much running all the time, so the phone is powering three memory chips, rom, ram and sd, and the sd flash chip is more power hungry than the built in flash chips.
If you further have an app running from sd, and an mp3 playing from sd, and m,aybe the opera cache on sd like many have, you can probably hold your breath longer than 1% will last.
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Thank you for that. Great info. i 100% agree. maybe you should give the guy above a "lesson"..
thanks!
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I had to go to the Doctor's and bandage up my nail on my index finger because I pulled it out when I was leaving my house yesterday. It was part ways out and its not too bad. Anyways going to do a fresh flash, fresh install of stuff using 32k formatted 16gb SD card. Going to be using Laurentis26's rom again.
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I had to go to the Doctor's and bandage up my nail on my index finger because I pulled it out when I was leaving my house yesterday. It was part ways out and its not too bad. Anyways going to do a fresh flash, fresh install of stuff using 32k formatted 16gb SD card. Going to be using Laurentis26's rom again.
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Do let us know how it works at 16k blocks.
Cheers.
EDIT: By the way, how are you flashing your SD card? Are you using a proper SD-CARD formatter program? I think Panasonic has a program called Panasonic SD Card Formatter which is designed specifically for SD cards.
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Do let us know how it works at 16k blocks.
Cheers.
EDIT: By the way, how are you flashing your SD card? Are you using a proper SD-CARD formatter program? I think Panasonic has a program called Panasonic SD Card Formatter which is designed specifically for SD cards.
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I've never had any issues with the Windows format tool. I think that works just as good.
Suggestion isn't completely wrong
I don't believe anyone should come to a fast conclusion (those coming with "2" sources), until all scenarios are accounted for.
1) The more you run apps off of the card, a correctly formatted card will result in less energy consumption.
2) The HTC does seem to cache certain items on the card during usage, again formatting will affect read/write performance.
3) Consider the current war of "new" SSD drives. One of the primary factors driving performance is the block size and efficient use of data organization, to a point of very significant gains.
Logically, the way I see it, for any reduction in processing time, the more efficient battery use will be. Now to what extent, I'm not sure.
One thing I do know for certain is, loud mouthed people, who think quick and talk load are often laughed at by those who think first and talk later.
I just formatted my card as well, to FAT 32, with a block size of 16. Unfortunately, I can't compare, because I'm now running Energy's MaxSense ROM, so apple's to oranges. For what it's worth, I'm really happy with it. It's the first time I've ever flashed something, and it took me all of 30 minutes. Easy to do, only a few quick steps and such an improvement in general. A few bugs, especially when dealing with screen rotation between apps. Yet it's a welcomed trade off, considering functionality.
Got off track... Any way, I appreciate this thread! Even if you are/are not correct, this is a forum, built for discussion.
is there a way that the members here can refrain from senseless remarks? you can believe anything you want.. but that's not the argument... the discussion is about facts... and the fact is... formatting your sd card will NOT increase your battery life... before i was just informing but now... I'm actually surprised at how many people refuse to listen to facts and evidence... since I'm sure none have the abilities to replicate some actual testing like myself... just do a simple search... in Yahoo! or Google.. this is a common misconception and I'm merely informing....
again, believe what you want... proceed how you need to... but don't pretend like i don't have the slightest clue of what I'm talking about because that is just incorrect.... just let opinions be opinions and facts be facts... only internet tards confuse the 2... understand?
once again.. lesson learned.... class is dismissed
Moschdog said:
I don't believe anyone should come to a fast conclusion (those coming with "2" sources), until all scenarios are accounted for.
1) The more you run apps off of the card, a correctly formatted card will result in less energy consumption.
2) The HTC does seem to cache certain items on the card during usage, again formatting will affect read/write performance.
3) Consider the current war of "new" SSD drives. One of the primary factors driving performance is the block size and efficient use of data organization, to a point of very significant gains.
Logically, the way I see it, for any reduction in processing time, the more efficient battery use will be. Now to what extent, I'm not sure.
One thing I do know for certain is, loud mouthed people, who think quick and talk load are often laughed at by those who think first and talk later.
I just formatted my card as well, to FAT 32, with a block size of 16. Unfortunately, I can't compare, because I'm now running Energy's MaxSense ROM, so apple's to oranges. For what it's worth, I'm really happy with it. It's the first time I've ever flashed something, and it took me all of 30 minutes. Easy to do, only a few quick steps and such an improvement in general. A few bugs, especially when dealing with screen rotation between apps. Yet it's a welcomed trade off, considering functionality.
Got off track... Any way, I appreciate this thread! Even if you are/are not correct, this is a forum, built for discussion.
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well said!
ProjektFuze said:
and the fact is... formatting your sd card will NOT increase your battery life...
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well..sorry..but it did....
class is back in session
ProjektFuze said:
is there a way that the members here can refrain from senseless remarks? you can believe anything you want.. but that's not the argument... the discussion is about facts... and the fact is... formatting your sd card will NOT increase your battery life... before i was just informing but now... I'm actually surprised at how many people refuse to listen to facts and evidence... since I'm sure none have the abilities to replicate some actual testing like myself... just do a simple search... in Yahoo! or Google.. this is a common misconception and I'm merely informing....
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Ahh, the internet has spoken so it must be truth.
I can see battery use going down some by formatting a SD card. But it's not the formatting that would fix anything, it's removing all the installed apps from that SD card as a result of formatting. Especially any apps that periodically check things in the background and make reads/writes from the SD card. The more of these types of apps installed on a SD card and the more apps in general installed on a SD card being removed by formatting, the less battery draw from running those apps.
But do realize, as soon as you put all that stuff back on your right back to where you started.
dvigue said:
great! i hope this helps some people...i know i live my hd2 so much more right now
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hmm battery life doesnt seem too diffrent but the music loads sooo much faster now!
Hey there guys, i will be receiving my new HD2 soon in the mail sometime next week and i have a few questions which i hope you guys don't mind answering. My first question how well does it run on the device? Compared to android which runs amazingly with no hitches just as a normal android device would. Are there a lot of bugs present? Could i just install WP7 on it and use that instead of android without there being show stopping bugs present? and lastly how is the battery life on WP7 compared to the android roms?
Many thanks.
Oh this is a big question, im not going to go in to detail now so if you have any further questions than ask away, but for now here is the no BS low down
Does it work, yes, very very well, its quicker than any OS i have ever used, including native iphones, android and even WP7.
Notable bugs include the marketplace freeze, some times the marketplace just packs in and you have to do a reboot to get it working again, i believe thats true to all WP7 devices tho
next, sometimes, very very rarely for me, the touch screen seems to stop, usually a swipe in the opersite direction then try again gets it working in moments
The camera has an issue with focusing, because we dont have a two stage button we cant focus to well, the flash for the camera is slightly out of sync meaning any photo in sub optimal light that uses the flash would result in a photo with a green tint to it. There is an alternative camera app already that is great, it has focus but the flash issue remains.
The battery life isnt too great, this seems mostly due to the differences in the battery controller, WP7 may or may not report the correct battery level, it may appear to drop very fast but that is usually because you didnt charge it fully in the first place, some times you have to restart the phone and charge again to fill it up.
and now the big one that im not going to go in to great detail on
SD cards
this is the single biggest course of almost all issues with the phone, if you have a dodgy card you will get wifi issues, restart issues, lagging issues etc
there is no list of compatible cards, no two cards are alike even within the same model, statistically you have a better chance with a class 2 or 4 card, but thats not to say you will have problems will all class 10 cards
I used to use android and there isnt any chance of me moving back, yes you cant mod the hell out of this but since i got itm, ive not wanted to, it just works and it works very well
i agree 100 %
but i have no trouble in the marketplace - i have downloaded manny games an other apps. with my old sd-card i have a very slow installation but now all is ok.
WP7 works on the HD2 as well as on any native device. I can tell that because I had also a Mozart for 2 weeks and could do a head to head. All the bugs present (Marketplace crashing from time to time) are also present on the native device, so they are not HD2 related in any way.
Battery life is OK for me. With some tweaks I can get a full they of moderate to heavy usage (3G on, 2 e-mail [email protected] min. sync, 1 hr IE surfing, 30 min. gaming and 30 min calls).
To be honest I boot Android lately only to show off to some pathetic DesireHD owners
I agree with all the replies so far. And dazza is completely correct about the SD cards... most issues people are having is because of using a sd card that doesn't play nice with wp7. I haven't had any issues with marketplace, and have had great luck using sandisk class 2 and 4 cards. Every other brand of card I've tried, including kingston, was terrible with wp7.
The main difference between the hd2 and native wp7 phones is that the hd2 only has 56,000 colors while native phones have around 4million colors, and you only get 2-point multitouch with HD2, and it can be kinda buggy, while native wp7 devices all have at least 4 point multitouch... so certain apps that use multitouch may not work properly or at all with the HD2.
Multitouch is the only problem
I have found that on my hd2 that wp7 worked a lot smoother than the native rom. I am very pleased with this OS. It has convinced me to buy one in the near future. which will be in a couple of months
mine works 100% perfect except multi-touch sometimes doesn't work too well. Battery life is good, marketplace never freezes, I have had zero issues with my SD card, speed and fluidity are good.
All the other issues seem to be WP7 and not HD2 related. i would much rather have this over a "real" wp7 device because at least I can boot into Android whenever I want.
I had my first taste of WP7 today, it was really just a taste test to help me decide what to upgrade to when my upgrade is due, I was impressed enough to make my decision.... (Omnia7 in case you were wondering)
I was only running it for about and hour and a half but everything seemed flawless, the activation code I got from MS worked fine and I was up and running in minutes. The only disappointing thing was that although I imported my contacts from my Gmail account no numbers came through. Everyone was there but they had no numbers
The UI was super smooth and the keyboard was far and away the best I have used yet..........
The phone did seem to be getting pretty hot while using it though.
Also the lack of a traditional "taskbar" was quite annoying, I like to see a battery meter at all times.
Overall very impressed though.
Wow thanks for the descriptive replies guys, so it appears to run very stable, I suppose. I'll just give the wp7 a shot first right off the bat instead of android!
unleashed12 said:
Wow thanks for the descriptive replies guys, so it appears to run very stable, I suppose. I'll just give the wp7 a shot first right off the bat instead of android!
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Haha... to make a short statement... and "abusing" your nickname, one could say HD2 feels kind of "unleashed" with WP7.
Enjoy it
tictac0566 said:
Haha... to make a short statement... and "abusing" your nickname, one could say HD2 feels kind of "unleashed" with WP7.
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i 100% agree with the statement Unleashed with WP7..
and i do agree with the SD card problems.infact,make sure what ever sd card you have,to be a class 4 sandisk on your HD2.as it's the most stable on hd2 with os wp7.
Enjoy!!!and Read as much as you can for your HD2 on XDA mate..
I will also buy a "original" WP7 device.
Do anyone of you know when Dual core smartphones will come out?
I don't want to buy an "old" 1Ghz model, I heared Nvidia has brought Tegra 2 and even 3 is there now which has Quad Core.
Any news about that?
As of now I haven't seen any WP7 phone utilize the tegra processor or any other dual core processor available. There are however many android phones which are using dual cores coming soon. the tegra 3 is still in development if im not mistaken.
orangekid said:
mine works 100% perfect except multi-touch sometimes doesn't work too well. Battery life is good, marketplace never freezes, I have had zero issues with my SD card, speed and fluidity are good.
All the other issues seem to be WP7 and not HD2 related. i would much rather have this over a "real" wp7 device because at least I can boot into Android whenever I want.
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What's your setup? I'm assuming you have a TMO US phone? Radio, ROM? I'm about to flash and it would be a great help.
I agree with all the reply's here too! I bought my Hd2 after a long line of HTC phones purely so that i could use custom ROM's and take the p**s out of anyone with an iphone. My phone using WM6.5 was "my PC in my pocket". It did everything! I was a bit dubious about installing WP7 on it because its like going from XP to Windows 7. You get used to what your used to. I do use things such as the flashlight and voice recorder and i didn't want not to have those things that i use so much.
After i installed WP7 i loved the way it looked, animations are beautiful, its so smooth. Im also glad to say all the apps that i used on WM6.5 are available from the marketplace. I dont think i could go back to WM6.5 now. It seems too clunky compared to WP7.
I do have the same issues as everyone else with the dodgy camera, its not bad in daylight though, and i love the 720P camcorder. Battery life has been an issue but ive done the registry tweaks that have been talked about on the forums and im getting good results at the mo. Very close to WM6.5 in fact. WIFI and SD cards have not been a problem, mind you i am using a 16GB Sandisk.
When you do install WP7 on your HD2 just make sure that you get an activation code from Microsoft first thing! It makes the whole "WP7 experience" MUCH better!!
I think i truly have been turned into a Windows phone 7 fan. I just cant wait to see what ROM's and apps some of the chefs on here can cook up in the next few month's!!
ive been using it for about 2 months and it worked really well. i had the issues that everyone else had experienced with the marketplace, but this didnt happen that often. only thing you need to check is your SD card. there are a few threads about which SD cards work, but these are all unofficial. i have a topram (rebadged sandisk) 16gb SDHC class 4 and that works ok, but its not great (but it was £12.99!!)
matthewharmon102 said:
ive been using it for about 2 months and it worked really well. i had the issues that everyone else had experienced with the marketplace, but this didnt happen that often. only thing you need to check is your SD card. there are a few threads about which SD cards work, but these are all unofficial. i have a topram (rebadged sandisk) 16gb SDHC class 4 and that works ok, but its not great (but it was £12.99!!)
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Why do you call topram a rebadged sandisk?
well enough for some bugger to sell 15 guides and the DWI.exe on eBay
HERE
jigners said:
well enough for some bugger to sell 15 guides and the DWI.exe on eBay
HERE
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That's nothing... there was another guy that sold almost 500(last I checked) at $25 each.... he made over $10,000 in less than a week!!!