http://www.talkandroid.com/1356-htc-sense-interface-for-htc-magic/
It has the same ram as the G1, so I'm thinkin this OS will be workin on our phones soon.
Senorkabob said:
http://www.talkandroid.com/1356-htc-sense-interface-for-htc-magic/
It has the same ram as the G1, so I'm thinkin this OS will be workin on our phones soon.
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Magic has 512 MB RAM and 288 MB ROM, while the dream has 256 MB RAM and 192 MB ROM.
Magic and Hero are similar in memory size.
Magic Specs
Hero Specs
Dream Specs
EDIT: Blah, 4 different sites gave me 4 different answers.
Nayyak said:
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Magic has 512 MB RAM and 288 MB ROM, while the dream has 256 MB RAM and 192 MB ROM.
Magic and Hero are similar in memory size.
Magic Specs
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Dream Specs
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wrong
Unless you swap RAM with ROM.
lol i cannot believe this is so hard. So what is the right answer?
Comptech, these are the facts (in alphabetic order):
Dream: ROM: 256 MB; RAM: 192 MB
Hero: ROM: 512 MB; RAM: 288 MB
Magic: ROM: 512 MB; RAM: 288 MB
These specs are found on the HTC website so I think they're quite trustworthy.
Apparently there's a Taiwan version (288mb) and a regular one (192mb).
I dunno
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Unless you swap RAM with ROM.
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u r right
it was a typo but i've provided a reliable source though.
http://www.androidauthority.com/ind...larifies-sense-ui-on-existing-models-comment/
Sense UI/ G1 w/Google idea
Now, you can tell me how this would not work or critique it, but I have an idea:
Basically, when an update is released for non-"with google" devices and "with google" devices get the manual update of both and change the files in the "with google" update to where it has the sense UI instead of the Google one. Does that make sense?
I'm sorry if this is really stupid as I am only 15 years old and do not understand coding all the way
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530004
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not exactly, this is more of a way to do it rather than a question
google or no google
In canada ours is 288 what they mean by google is one and non google is other is on the back of the phone if it says google its the 192 version.. in canada ours say Rogers so they were made for our carrier so we are non google phones.. hope this helps
New to forums, and sorry for digging up a new thread, but just to clarify, the carrier branded models are 192 mb of ram and the htc branded ones are 288 mb. The model names for these are PVT32A and PVT32B incase you want to look it up.
PVT32A - 288MB RAM
PVT32B - 192MB RAM (usually Google branded)
And for brands such a "Rogers" if you're unsure of what board you have then simply power down your handset and when you power on hold the Power button and "Back" button at the same time to bring up the Boot menu.
Here it will show on the top line in green "32A" or "32B" and there you are!
The VODAPHONE/T-MOBILE Branded magics have 192mb of ram
THE HTC/ROGERS branded ones have 288mb of ram
the rom is the same
Nayyak said:
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Magic has 512 MB RAM and 288 MB ROM, while the dream has 256 MB RAM and 192 MB ROM.
Magic and Hero are similar in memory size.
Magic Specs
Hero Specs
Dream Specs
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wrong..
you got your rom and ram sizes mixed up.
htc stated that that they dont plan on sending "with google" branded htc phones the sense ui...except sprint hero
brian_v3ntura said:
wrong..
you got your rom and ram sizes mixed up.
htc stated that that they dont plan on sending "with google" branded htc phones the sense ui...except sprint hero
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you should've read the rest of the posts b4 jumping to post ur reply.
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Hi guys,
I have checked my HTC Hero with the application named "eRay" and "Gphone Manager". Both applications say to me that my HTC Hero has only 192MB RAM!
How it should be possible if the specifications says that it comes with 288MB RAM inside??
Jef
Jef
Thats because the android operating system uses the rest, I believe. If you search for this on the forums, then you will see that the remaining memory is taken by the OS. I remember seeing a dream/magic forum question that was around the same topic.
regards
See below links:
https://groups.google.com/group/android-platform/browse_thread/thread/adb2fa9946275b73
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=482228
I don't know about the Hero but the G2/Mytouch that are telco branded come with 192MB RAM. Those are the 32B (I believe) boards when you look at the fastboot screen. (Power on + Back)
s1977 said:
Jef
Thats because the android operating system uses the rest, I believe. If you search for this on the forums, then you will see that the remaining memory is taken by the OS. I remember seeing a dream/magic forum question that was around the same topic.
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opsss... thank you very much! I haven't see these topics.. Sorry!
Jef
I just read this on engadget
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/26/sense-ui-update-for-htc-magic-makes-the-scene-in-taiwan/
Well its for Magic which is essentially dream. so lets hope one of our Devs get a dump of this rom add the english language and we'll finally have FULL Sense UI in our G1s
My_Name_Is_Neo said:
I just read this on engadget
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/26/sense-ui-update-for-htc-magic-makes-the-scene-in-taiwan/
Well its for Magic which is essentially dream. so lets hope one of our Devs get a dump of this rom add the english language and we'll finally have FULL Sense UI in our G1s
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We already have the sense dump for the magic, and it's already been ported. Buuuuut it's for the 32A, the 288mb ram model, just like the Hero. Apparently it's the fastest yet, but it's still meant for hardware with a 1/3 more ram.
I believe the Google branded phones are the 32Bs which have the same ram as the G1 (192mb) so it would would make sense (pun intended) for them not to get the update (RAM wise + licensing).
AdrianK said:
We already have the sense dump for the magic, and it's already been ported. Buuuuut it's for the 32A, the 288mb ram model, just like the Hero. Apparently it's the fastest yet, but it's still meant for hardware with a 1/3 more ram.
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Aahh.. so thats the "Sence UI" roms floating around. well i think days of my G1 are limited then, as most of the new roms will be for the new HTC or Motorola hardware with more ram. We have been trying Compcache & Swap but its still not up to the mark. forget Cyan's ROM even the T-Mo's 1.6 without modification runs faster than any of the Hero Roms.
My_Name_Is_Neo said:
Aahh.. so thats the "Sence UI" roms floating around. well i think days of my G1 are limited then, as most of the new roms will be for the new HTC or Motorola hardware with more ram. We have been trying Compcache & Swap but its still not up to the mark. forget Cyan's ROM even the T-Mo's 1.6 without modification runs faster than any of the Hero Roms.
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Yup, the Sholes/Droid sounds awesome on paper, seems like much more of an upgrade than the Cliq. I'd buy one the second it's released if I had the cash.
Just wanted to point out that the Desire Z and the T-Mobile G2 are similar, but not identical.
I'm currently considering which one to buy, and as I searched the web looking for comparative info, I collected what I found and created a blog article:
http://grenness.blog.linpro.no/2010/09/27/t-mobile-g2-vs-htc-desire-z/
I would appreciate feedback or corrections!
Thanks,
Christopher
You should change "Memory" and split it between Ram and Rom.
Both are the "HTC Vision", but there are not just 2 but 4 brothers.
The "HTC Vision" includes:
- HTC Desire Z
- T-Mobile G2
- Verizon ADR6325 aka HTC Merge (source)
- HTC Desire Z US NAM (source, source)
Common specs:
- same OS Google Android 2.2
- same CHASSIS 60.4 x 119 x 14.1 mm, 180 g
- same RAM 512MB
- same MEMORY 4GB total memory, but only 1.5GB user accessible for apps
- same SCREEN 3.7" super LCD 480x800
- same CPU 32bit Qualcomm MSM7230, 800MHz Scorpion SoC
- same CAMERA 4.9 MPixels
- same everything else
Differences:
BANDS
- HTC Desire Z: Asia/Europe 3G UMTS 900/2100MHz
- T-Mobile G2: T-Mobile USA UMTS 1700/2100
- HTC Merge Verizon ADR6325: Verizon USA CDMA/EVDO+Asia/Europe UMTS 2100MHz
- HTC Desire Z US (NAM): America/Australia 3G UMTS 850/1900MHz
QWERTY MECHANISM
EDIT: the HTC Merge/Verizon ADR6325 has a standard sliding keyboard instead of the "Z hinge"
Hope this helps
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gtrab said:
Both are the "HTC Vision", but there are not just 2 but 4 brothers.
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Thanks, I will update the table in the article.
Much appreciated - I noticed the news about the Verizon handset just an hour ago, it went under my radar as I published my article yesterday...
Christopher
will the htc desire z and G2 be using the same SLCD screen or G2 the amoled
No internal memory difference
Note that beside the Internal Memory Specs of 1.5 GB for the HTC Desire Z you will notice a number 1. This refers you down to the bottom of the specs page where it states: "1. The actual available internal phone storage may differ depending on the software configuration of your phone." Link
I believe the there is no difference in the internal phone storage of the G2 and the Desire Z. I concur that the new HTC Sense 3.0 on the Desire Z probably takes up a lot more space than the stock Android 2.2. Hence the difference in software configuration.
udovoodoo said:
Note that beside the Internal Memory Specs of 1.5 GB for the HTC Desire Z you will notice a number 1. This refers you down to the bottom of the specs page where it states: "1. The actual available internal phone storage may differ depending on the software configuration of your phone." Link
I believe the there is no difference in the internal phone storage of the G2 and the Desire Z. I concur that the new HTC Sense 3.0 on the Desire Z probably takes up a lot more space than the stock Android 2.2. Hence the difference in software configuration.
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Does that mean you could provide more ram to the OS (as in instead of the 512MB the Z has while the HD has 768MB) you could up both to say 1GB with a software hack?
I really am clueless when it comes to how these modern phone devices allocate memory internally.
Did you mean to start a new thread? Anyway my reply again
Does that mean you could provide more ram to the OS (as in instead of the 512MB the Z has while the HD has 768MB) you could up both to say 1GB with a software hack?
I really am clueless when it comes to how these modern phone devices allocate memory internally.
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Internal phone storage is ROM. RAM is not changeable. I am talking about the Internal phone storage not RAM. I am also talking about the Desire Z and G2 and not the Desire HD.
To add, there are differences in the keyboard button configurations too. Physical layout is the same, but the key mapping is different. Nothing major though.
gtrab said:
Both are the "HTC Vision", but there are not just 2 but 4 brothers.
The "HTC Vision" includes:
- HTC Desire
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You mean "HTC Desire Z", right ?
I have the t-mobile (USA) G2, got it yesterday. When you look at sd card and internal storage the internal storage available is only 1.23 gigs, sd card is 7.6 gigs and the screen is SLCD and looks great, it holds up well even in direct sunlight.
So are you saying that the 4Gigs of ROM is fake/lie ????
Ready2Mosh said:
I have the t-mobile (USA) G2, got it yesterday. When you look at sd card and internal storage the internal storage available is only 1.23 gigs, sd card is 7.6 gigs and the screen is SLCD and looks great, it holds up well even in direct sunlight.
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I can confirm. Opened it today and am pissed.
yudhistre said:
So are you saying that the 4Gigs of ROM is fake/lie ????
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I don't see how it could be legit... Android does not take 2.8 GB!
zephirus said:
I can confirm. Opened it today and am pissed.
I don't see how it could be legit... Android does not take 2.8 GB!
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Why are you pissed? You got an, by all account, awesome phone several days early.
I got my G2 today..
I currently have a Nexus One and Samsung Vibrant. I like the N1 better because of the trackball..
the G2 has a little trackpad that works well.. So far it is pretty cool.
Has 2.2 on it but no wireless teethering on it.. need a new rom.. PDA net sucks because you have to use a cable.
I am also disappointed about not having my full amount of ROM, gonna call tmobile tomorrow and see what they have to say.
Would suck if some early G2 preorders were sent just rebadged Desire Zs. The Desire Z has 2gb on board, unlike the G2 which has 4gb on paper. However, the DesireZ has an FM radio that the G2 lacks. I would take the FM radio instead of 2gb internal ram.
mrkev150 said:
Would suck if some early G2 preorders were sent just rebadged Desire Zs. The Desire Z has 2gb on board, unlike the G2 which has 4gb on paper. However, the DesireZ has an FM radio that the G2 lacks. I would take the FM radio instead of 2gb internal ram.
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Not possible. G2 has unique radio bands (AWS).
yudhistre said:
So are you saying that the 4Gigs of ROM is fake/lie ????
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Anyone have a Desire Z to see how much ROM is left right out of the box? That will answer a lot of questions, but I still think we're only getting 2.1 gigs of internal vs. the 4 we're supposed to get.
Unless HTC has changed the wifi/bluetooth/fm chip they've been using for their past three billion devices, both the G2 and Desire Z are FM capable, just not FM accessible in stock(G2).
See N1/Desire and the HD2
The site tells the tale. Here is the canadian HTC site with the specs for the Desire Z. ROM shows 4GB:
http://www.htc.com/ca/products/desirez-bell#tech-specs
Here is the UK HTC site for the Desire Z. ROM says 1.5GB
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/desirez/specification.html
Someone getting screwed again??
Typo on the Canadian site ?
Raspster said:
The site tells the tale. Here is the canadian HTC site with the specs for the Desire Z. ROM shows 4GB:
Someone getting screwed again??
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And G2 says 4GB too, yet most of them get 1.5GB :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=796421&highlight=1.5GB
Look again. There's more than just the ROM that's different from other specs. we've seen.
The battery is 1230mah
The weight is 164g instead of the 180g we've seen everywhere else.
Weird.
I will be very very happy if it has 4 GB of ROM. (CDN Version).
@LickTheEnvelope: but very, very improbable. T-Mobile G2 has 1.5GB for you as a user, period :
http://www.facebook.com/TMobile?v=wall&story_fbid=107096669355183&ref=mf
The G2 includes 4GB of internal memory, of which a portion is accessible for downloading applications from the Android Market and a portion is allocated for both the operating system and preloaded applications.
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Same applies for Desire Z and same will apply for Desire Z NAM. There is no 1.5GB and 4GB variant, all have 1.5GB user and 4GB total internal flash memory. HTC states the real, usable size of memory, T-Mobile states the total amount of memory.
faugusztin said:
@LickTheEnvelope: but very, very improbable. T-Mobile G2 has 1.5GB for you as a user, period :
http://www.facebook.com/TMobile?v=wall&story_fbid=107096669355183&ref=mf
Same applies for Desire Z and same will apply for Desire Z NAM. There is no 1.5GB and 4GB variant, all have 1.5GB user and 4GB total internal flash memory. HTC states the real, usable size of memory, T-Mobile states the total amount of memory.
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You would likely be correct. Bell's spec sheet lists their desire Z at 1.5 GB. Oh well.
That is so deceiving cause the Desire HD and the Desire Z (UK version) both say 1.5GB and the Desire Z (CA) and G2 (T-Mobile) say 4GB. That is WAY off from 1.5GB. What the hell do they need 2.5GB for OS and pre-installed apps for?!? That's CRAZY!!
Good question, but i have no answer.
There's a massive ongoing discussion on the whole 1.5 GB vs 4 GB thing over on the G2 forum. So far, it's been shown (via dismantling a G2) that it really does have a 4 GB chip in there, but only 1.5 GB seems to be accessible - so far, no-one can explain why.
This has been extensively discussed previously
Search for the "HTC vision" variants thread
They all have 4GB memory but "only" 1.5GB is user accessible for apps,
which I still think is enough,
more than plenty when considering the other phones in the market have less than half that ammount, and the number of apps you could ever possbly install into your phone
To make this clear again:
Some operators are marketing it as "4GB" and some are saying "1.5GB", but thats THE SAME because in the end ALL HTC VISION VARIANTS (T-mobile G2, HTC Desire Z, Desire Z NAM-US, Verizon's Merge...) have memory of 4 GB/1.5GB accessible.
Id Say topic is clear and edification by grab. This thread should be closed to keep these clean
There are several existing threads on this - closed
Just a random thought..
Does anything think that maybe the reason that only 1.5gb out of 4 is available on the Desire Z could be due to the TomTom maps that are preloaded?
And if it were that, I wonder if you can delete'em..
rewen said:
Just a random thought..
Does anything think that maybe the reason that only 1.5gb out of 4 is available on the Desire Z could be due to the TomTom maps that are preloaded?
And if it were that, I wonder if you can delete'em..
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If you mean the pre-cached maps from HTC Locations, then you could probably remove everything through a loading a custom ROM.
But it is highly unlikely that this is the reason why the Desire Z has 1.5Gb instead of the G-2's 4Gb. What is probably the case is that since T-Mobile is the launch partner of the Vision, HTC has given T-Mobile an exclusive increase in storage space.
skulk3r, G2 has 1.5GB too. It is simply a difference in describing the same thing. Both Desire Z and G2 has a 4GB flash memory chip, user accessible area is 1.5GB in both cases. There is no 4GB or 1.5GB variant of HTC Vision, there is just one type with different radios.
I didn't realize that the g2 only had 1.5 usable as well.. for some reason I was thinking it had 2.5
It would be nice to see if the future roms can let all 4gb free for us
Im sure you can nix the tomtom maps with a hard reset and new rom as someone just said. There prob will need some development to unlock that memory
faugusztin said:
skulk3r, G2 has 1.5GB too. It is simply a difference in describing the same thing. Both Desire Z and G2 has a 4GB flash memory chip, user accessible area is 1.5GB in both cases. There is no 4GB or 1.5GB variant of HTC Vision, there is just one type with different radios.
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oh wow. i totally missed that. thanks for the correction
There is a huge thread in G2 forum about this and the consensus is that there is only the 1.5GB model. Of course few funny guys voted for 4GB, but a very, very huge majority voted for 1.5GB model, which means there is no 4GB model in reality.
faugusztin said:
There is a huge thread in G2 forum about this and the consensus is that there is only the 1.5GB model. Of course few funny guys voted for 4GB, but a very, very huge majority voted for 1.5GB model, which means there is no 4GB model in reality.
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I think you may have been misunderstanding..
It seems that both the G2 and DZ are 4gb but 2.5gb is used or reserved from the factory, leaving only 1.5gb available for the user.
I was just thinking that since so much is taken and it's the first phone with HTC Locations (aka TomTom), it would make sense if 1-1.5gb of the lost space was due to preloaded maps. However I don't think the G2 has these maps so that rules out this theory.
No, i didn't misunderstood that . Both Desire Z and G2 has a 4GB chip, but only 1.5GB is available to users => everyone has the same model, there is no 4GB or 1.5GB version, all are the same.