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As my hermes is broken now I am need for a new phone.
Things is care for: WM6 os, touch screen, in built gps, bluetooth, microsd slot and lightweight body
Things I don't care: keyboard, 3G etc
What do u guys suggest? Sony Xperia looks good but has a keyboard. I can live with it but prefer not to have it in order to reduce the bulk. HTC touch?
Any other suggestions?
gondalguru said:
As my hermes is broken now I am need for a new phone.
Things is care for: WM6 os, touch screen, in built gps, bluetooth, microsd slot and lightweight body
Things I don't care: keyboard, 3G etc
What do u guys suggest? Sony Xperia looks good but has a keyboard. I can live with it but prefer not to have it in order to reduce the bulk. HTC touch?
Any other suggestions?
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I love my Kaiser... Its like a Hermes on steroids. Lots of ram and storage space. I know you don't care about 3G, or a keyboard, but I still think you should at least look at it.
-Jay
NM - Sold on eBay....
Jay2TheRescue said:
I love my Kaiser... Its like a Hermes on steroids. Lots of ram and storage space. I know you don't care about 3G, or a keyboard, but I still think you should at least look at it.
-Jay
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People complain a lot about missing video driver and sluggish response on kaiser when refreshing screen or using video, gps etc....Did u notice any of those? I really don't care about video or camera in the phone. It will not be major issue with me.
One more thing - Kaiser is 20 gm heavier than hermes. If i get touch cruise then it will be 60 gm lighter than kaiser. Touch cruise also has the same missing video driver problme.
I never used keyboard on my hermes so I think I should get something without keyboard to slash some weight off my pocket.
How about Eten or atom devices like x800 etc. Are they as good as HTC performance wise?
gondalguru said:
People complain a lot about missing video driver and sluggish response on kaiser when refreshing screen or using video, gps etc....Did u notice any of those? I really don't care about video or camera in the phone. It will not be major issue with me.
One more thing - Kaiser is 20 gm heavier than hermes. If i get touch cruise then it will be 60 gm lighter than kaiser. Touch cruise also has the same missing video driver problme.
I never used keyboard on my hermes so I think I should get something without keyboard to slash some weight off my pocket.
How about Eten or atom devices like x800 etc. Are they as good as HTC performance wise?
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I haven't had any big issues with the video drivers, but my old PDA phone was quite old and slow (HP iPAQ hw6515). Especially with the new ROM that att just released last week the menu response is really fast, and the video is better, but like I said it still was far better than my old device. I run TomTom Navigator 6 on my Tilt, and have had no problems with video issues. I don't do stuff like YouTube though, so I can't comment on that.
I was just suggesting that it should be something to consider...
-Jay
Some time early next year i will be upgrading my good old Imate Jamin with a new phone... Currently i am considering these 2 phones...
Both are solid build by HTC, both have 800x480 screen.
So what did i find out untill now...
Big beautifull screen vs small beautifull screen.... Blackstone
Nice keyboard vs No keyboard..........................Xperia
Quallcom processor vs Quallcom processor..........Tie
Good 5 Mpix camera vs superb 3.2 Mpix cam.......Tie
Qvga Video vs VGA video at 30 fps....................Xperia
GPS without software vs GPS with pay software...Tie
Touchflow 3D vs Pannels..................................Tie
Motion sensor vs no motion sensor.....................Blackstone
No joystick vs mini joystick and Other buttons......Xperia
So far it comes pretty close to a tie... AS i really like the awesome screen and the motion sensor from the HD, but i will abssolutely miss the keyboard, controll buttons and VGA video...........
Downside of both phones should be their low processing power...
What else can you add to my comparison ?
Lord.Bachus said:
Some time early next year i will be upgrading my good old Imate Jamin with a new phone... Currently i am considering these 2 phones...
Both are solid build by HTC, both have 800x480 screen.
So what did i find out untill now...
Big beautifull screen vs small beautifull screen.... Blackstone
Nice keyboard vs No keyboard..........................Xperia
Quallcom processor vs Quallcom processor..........Tie
Good 5 Mpix camera vs superb 3.2 Mpix cam.......Tie
Qvga Video vs VGA video at 30 fps....................Xperia
GPS without software vs GPS with pay software...Tie
Touchflow 3D vs Pannels..................................Tie
Motion sensor vs no motion sensor.....................Blackstone
No joystick vs mini joystick and Other buttons......Xperia
So far it comes pretty close to a tie... AS i really like the awesome screen and the motion sensor from the HD, but i will abssolutely miss the keyboard, controll buttons and VGA video...........
Downside of both phones should be their low processing power...
What else can you add to my comparison ?
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Design:
Xperia = 3
HD = 10
On that field HD wins easyly, my opinion of course
Screen size - Blackstone
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: ??
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone
Price: Blackstone
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Screen size - Blackstone
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: ??
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone
Price: Blackstone
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Screen size - Blackstone (Big screen easy to use even without stylus, vs X1 where you often have no choice than to work with the stylus.)
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: Blackstone (Simple, effective. just nice and good.)
Performance: Blackstone (Smooth and faster. higher performance [tested by some german reviews]. Vs X1 which is laggy especially where it shouldn't be: on its panels! Up to 4 seconds!! waiting time when switching panels)
Multimedia: Blackstone (Bigger screen -> much nicer to watch movies, and pictures. Better sound quality [tested by german reviewers]. X1 has no equalizer onboard.)
Browsing the net: Blackstone (Again bigger screen -> reading webpages and surfing much more comfortable. X1 doesn't support flash out of the box [maybe same with the Blackstone] but as testet in reviews, it can lead to problems when you try to install flashlite on the X1.)
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone (i prefer slim but wider over, bulky. but thats just peronal at least, slim devices fit more into pockets or bags)
Writing: Blackstone (Now thats really jsut a personal choic. But i prefer a virtual keybord. its just that when i am writing a message, i tend to look on the screen to see what i am doing but when working with a keypad, i have to look on the keys [especially when its hard to feel a differents between the buttos as with the X1 and other phones] Also, adding a keyboard to a phone, makes almost twice the sice [Diamond -> Touch Pro]. And many people who bought such phones, often come to the conclusion that thay don't really use the keyboard most of the time.)
The Xperia will have a specific interface base on SPB mobile shell
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The Xperia will have a specific interface base on SPB mobile shell
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Yes it is all over youtube, it is one of the many panels.
Raziel1 said:
Screen size - Blackstone (Big screen easy to use even without stylus, vs X1 where you often have no choice than to work with the stylus.)
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: Blackstone (Simple, effective. just nice and good.)
Performance: Blackstone (Smooth and faster. higher performance [tested by some german reviews]. Vs X1 which is laggy especially where it shouldn't be: on its panels! Up to 4 seconds!! waiting time when switching panels)
Multimedia: Blackstone (Bigger screen -> much nicer to watch movies, and pictures. Better sound quality [tested by german reviewers]. X1 has no equalizer onboard.)
Browsing the net: Blackstone (Again bigger screen -> reading webpages and surfing much more comfortable. X1 doesn't support flash out of the box [maybe same with the Blackstone] but as testet in reviews, it can lead to problems when you try to install flashlite on the X1.)
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone (i prefer slim but wider over, bulky. but thats just peronal at least, slim devices fit more into pockets or bags)
Writing: Blackstone (Now thats really jsut a personal choic. But i prefer a virtual keybord. its just that when i am writing a message, i tend to look on the screen to see what i am doing but when working with a keypad, i have to look on the keys [especially when its hard to feel a differents between the buttos as with the X1 and other phones] Also, adding a keyboard to a phone, makes almost twice the sice [Diamond -> Touch Pro]. And many people who bought such phones, often come to the conclusion that thay don't really use the keyboard most of the time.)
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keyboard is just like insurance, you never know when you really really need it.
d2ey said:
keyboard is just like insurance, you never know when you really really need it.
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A thin device is an advantage, not the missing keyboard. I am curious how well the typing will be. What do the Diamond colleagues say about this?
Xperia has some additional hardware graphics acceleration from ATI while Touch HD to my understanding only uses the acceleration provided by Qualcomm CPU - Xperia uses this as well. This point goes to Xperia. And this might be important for video viewing, coding/encoding. Not so much for the panels ... I do not care too much about the panels.
Eriol
Well this Diamond colleague says I like the keyboard on the Diamond although it is not as fast as a tactile keyboard. However, not because of the reason I expected (the fact that you cannot feel the buttons) as I got used to that quite fast but rather because the keyboard is a bit cramped on the diamond and therefore I miss keys sometimes. The landscape keyboard is really nice and I can imagine that with the added width it will be much less of a problem. Using the suretype keyboard I can type as fast as anything, if the keys were bigger it would be even faster.
Conclusion: I do not miss a tactile keyboard, but I do miss the real estate to put a virtual variant on. So with the HD I will have very little use for a tactile keyboard! My two cents.
As a Touch Pro owner I've learned that for my typical use the keyboard is not much of an asset -- I've found that I've become so accustomed to the virtual keyboard, especially the improved virtual keyboard choices in the Diamond/Touch Pro series, that I hardly ever even open the sliding keyboard. So for me the HD seems like a better choice than the X1 because it offers much greater screen real estate so using the virtual keyboard has less impact on what I'm typing into. My advice: if you really like using the hardware keyboard, try using the virtual keyboard exclusively for awhile to see if you can adapt (I know the virtual keyboard on your Jamin is small and more difficult to use but it still might help you evaluate that) -- if you can adapt to the virtual keyboard then the HD might be your better choice. If not, and you really need the hardware keyboard I suggest you should stick with a model that includes it. The problem in today's market is these devices are so expensive, if we make the wrong choice it's expensive to correct it.
Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia ??
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia ??
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia YES, microSD
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia 1500
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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PJ6363 said:
Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia ??
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia ??
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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Xperia has an SD slot......
Xperia is rumored to have the longer battery life
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Xperia has some additional hardware graphics acceleration from ATI while Touch HD to my understanding only uses the acceleration provided by Qualcomm CPU - Xperia uses this as well.
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If this is true, Xperia would be a leap ahead of HTC...
I never understood HTC's pollicy not to use some of the speciall embedded Quallcom hardware...
For 3D gaming the Xperia will be a better deal as well ... The HD is missing some control buttons for this as well. But, honestly, 3D gaming is not what I want to do with this hardware ...
We will see how Xperia and HD perform on video viewing and things like this.
Eriol
The only Games i like to play on my Prophet are the oldscool LucasArts Adventures and some strategy games, and they will be fantastic to play on a screen like the Touch HDs. For 3D Gaming i prefer my PC, ive no need to play shooters with bad graphics and without mouse
I will definately buy a Touch HD as soon as it comes out.
If this is true, Xperia would be a leap ahead of HTC...
I never understood HTC's pollicy not to use some of the speciall embedded Quallcom hardware...
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As far as i heard its the other way around:
Xperia has no graphic chip while the HD has got one. But whatever is true, areamobile and other reviewers teste it and said, that the X1 has got horrible performance in 3D and not that good in 2D. (the panels are just one of the main moments where you will see this). They also compared the X1 to the HD and said that the HD has got more power and better performance.
Battery life of the X1 is pretty good as tested. it has 1500 battery in it, while the HD has got a 1350 battery. But on the other hand, they couldn't test the HD battery. What they found out so far, is that it seems to live upt to its promised hours (which are higher than that of the X1) and that the testers where very surprised and positive, that the HD backlight doesn't use much power and as so, doesn't really impact bettery life. And that the HD performes very good on 3G, because of sime kind of new chip improvements HTC made (they asked HTC about it and recieved a statement about new architekute or improvements of their qualcomm chip)
camera/speed
as much as i believe X1 will have a waaaay better camera. Base on the reviews i've seen, the panels is so slow that makes the user feels like running vista on 512Ram. reminds me of touchflo when they first came out. what do you guys think?
i used the wizard for years, with the keyboard, then i moved to the trinity (no keyboard) thinking i was loosing a lot (but i had to buy it in a rush since i broke the wizard). Conclusion: i got used to it after few weeks and i have a much more handy device. Now i already ordered the touch hd since the extra value of a sliding keyboard is not compensated by the actual use. If i have to type a lot, i use a ...laptop... or an external bluetooth keyboard (i have a freedom keyboard which is actually very bad - but i am thinking about the dinovo mini for the touch hd)....
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i used the wizard for years, with the keyboard, then i moved to the trinity (no keyboard) thinking i was loosing a lot (but i had to buy it in a rush since i broke the wizard). Conclusion: i got used to it after few weeks and i have a much more handy device. Now i already ordered the touch hd since the extra value of a sliding keyboard is not compensated by the actual use. If i have to type a lot, i use a ...laptop... or an external bluetooth keyboard (i have a freedom keyboard which is actually very bad - but i am thinking about the dinovo mini for the touch hd)....
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Dinovo Mini would be a nice idea i got one myself. the good thing is the touchpad, which works as a mousepad and as cursors at the same time. (Holding down the FN buttons switches the modes) or you cqan just use a little slider on the top to switch the mode of the dinovo. The only thing you will have to do, is to download the program AEKMap and the dinovo map file, so that you get all keys like F1-F12
considering that the Experia once have lost against the XDA Diamond (another compare somewhere in the board) and that the Touch HD is a further stage of PDA, not to say the state of the art, i think there is no need to compare both of them to find out, wo is the winner
Sorry if I post this in the wrong place but I just have to ask!
I also posted a similar thread over in the Touch Pro forum, but I want your opinions as well sense you are already using the HD!
I have today the Touch Pro, but I am considering to buy a new device becouse of the GPS lag and poor video performance!
I am tired of bringing several devices with me every time I want to go somewhere just becouse my EXPENCIVE HTC device cant do what it is supposed to do!
I am looking for a device that can play videos smoothly, no gps lag and of course I want to be able to take good pictures without having to worry about blured out photos as much as I do on my device!
Lets face it, I have had alot of HTC Devices over the years and it´s always something thats wrong with them!
I am keeping my TP in case something changes in the future, but for now I do feal that I have to get myself another device that is working properly!
Now my choice is betweek the HD and samsund Omnia!
Do you guys have any experience about the omnia vs HD?
Or do you reccoment another device that is in your opinion even better?
Thank you all in advance!
Well for video performance, as long as you install the right software then the Touch Pro, Omnia and HD will all do a great job. The Omnia and HD have the bigger screen so they'll be nicer to watch.
I personally can't confirm as my HD hasn't arrived yet but apparently there is still GPS lag in the HD as it uses the same CPU and GPS chip as the Touch Pro.
Does the Omnia have GPS? If so, try an Omnia forum and ask about lag there. It might be the one for you (with the nice 16Gb internal storage!)
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Well for video performance, as long as you install the right software then the Touch Pro, Omnia and HD will all do a great job. The Omnia and HD have the bigger screen so they'll be nicer to watch.
I personally can't confirm as my HD hasn't arrived yet but apparently there is still GPS lag in the HD as it uses the same CPU and GPS chip as the Touch Pro.
Does the Omnia have GPS? If so, try an Omnia forum and ask about lag there. It might be the one for you (with the nice 16Gb internal storage!)
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Yes Omnia has GPS, but the question is where do I find an Omnia forum?
Thanks!
The QVGA and small screen puts me off.
However, I wish the Korean Omnia (T*Omnia) is available. It has the same resolution as Touch HD although still a small 3.3 inch screen. It has a television tuner, although I'm not sure if the tuner (T-DMB) works outside korea. It has flash for the camera too.
T*Omnia stirs my interest a lot. The question is whether and when Samsung will sell it outside Korea.
Someone mention he would try to get it from Korea, but I'm not sure if an English ROM is available.
It's 3.2 on the Omnia. Since when is 3.2 small? So 3.2 is small and I guess 3.8 is large?...
I have both and the HD outclasses the Omnia in virtually every respect ...other than the camera (and the Omnia's isn't that good) and the accelerometer (which has been disabled HTC in most applications out of the box). The HD is so slick that the faster processor in the Omnia isn't noticable and the mega-sensitive touch screen makes using the HD a comparative breeze (I've come from a Hermes so any other touch screen has to be an improvement), also the HD ships with an 8GB memory card.
Perhaps one other thing that the Omnia my have over the HD - the Omnia's got a lanyard hole!!
...gave the Omnia to my wife before you ask to buy it!
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I have both and the HD outclasses the Omnia in virtually every respect ...other than the camera (and the Omnia's isn't that good) and the accelerometer (which has been disabled HTC in most applications out of the box). The HD is so slick that the faster processor in the Omnia isn't noticable and the mega-sensitive touch screen makes using the HD a comparative breeze (I've come from a Hermes so any other touch screen has to be an improvement), also the HD ships with an 8GB memory card.
Perhaps one other thing that the Omnia my have over the HD - the Omnia's got a lanyard hole!!
...gave the Omnia to my wife before you ask to buy it!
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Okey so let me get this straight!
Does the Omnia also have the GPS lag, or are you saying that HD does not have the lag?
Also, I read in this forum that the video playback is a no go without conversion on HD, is it the same on Omnia or can it play videos smooth out of the box without conversion?
I am a little confused right now!
Thanks!
branko.savic said:
Okey so let me get this straight!
Does the Omnia also have the GPS lag, or are you saying that HD does not have the lag?
Also, I read in this forum that the video playback is a no go without conversion on HD, is it the same on Omnia or can it play videos smooth out of the box without conversion?
I am a little confused right now!
Thanks!
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Since omnia has intelxscale technology it is fully supported by coreplayer 1.2.5. I've been testing it thoroughly and I can assure you it plays videos smoothly like your pc. (180% 200% in coreplayer's test)
The only thing that made me sell my omnia was the smaller and lower resolution screen
3.2" WQVGA (240x400) vs 3.8" WVGA (480x800)
but in video performance, touch hd sucks with coreplayer due to no hardware support and be advices this issue hasn't been resolved with HTC for 2 years now (the same goes for other devices as well).
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but in video performance, touch hd sucks with coreplayer due to no hardware support and be advices this issue hasn't been resolved with HTC for 2 years now (the same goes for other devices as well).
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You must be using a different device to me mate. Video playback is smooth with core player and everyother player i've used! Infact its the best i've ever seen on a mobile device!!!!! This question Omnia v HD is sooooo simple. If you want a smaller screen then you need the omnia, other wise it has to be the HD, it is simply the best device on the market!!!
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You must be using a different device to me mate. Video playback is smooth with core player and everyother player i've used! Infact its the best i've ever seen on a mobile device!!!!! This question Omnia v HD is sooooo simple. If you want a smaller screen then you need the omnia, other wise it has to be the HD, it is simply the best device on the market!!!
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I so agree with this... I've never been as blown away about video experience on a phone as with my HD... And note I say "experience" which is not just performance, but instead the whole picture. Huge screen, superb sharpness (which goes a long way in making all the difference between even the Korean Omnia and the HD) and any DivX I throw at it runs like a breeze.
Of course I don't use 4GB files to watch my movies, I am one of those old fashioned people who still think that 800MB files provide more than enough detail for a phone screen. If you are one of those people who think they can clearly discern between 800MB and 1,5GB files on a mobile device and feel that 800MB looks totally crappy, don't listen to me
Edit: Forget this post, it was nonsense based on a total lapse of reason on my part
But to make a more useful comment: I will always prefer the HD interface over the Panels thing.
Never liked that dangling stylus on the omnia - a bit of a girly thing
branko.savic said:
Sorry if I post this in the wrong place but I just have to ask!
I also posted a similar thread over in the Touch Pro forum, but I want your opinions as well sense you are already using the HD!
I have today the Touch Pro, but I am considering to buy a new device becouse of the GPS lag and poor video performance!
I am tired of bringing several devices with me every time I want to go somewhere just becouse my EXPENCIVE HTC device cant do what it is supposed to do!
I am looking for a device that can play videos smoothly, no gps lag and of course I want to be able to take good pictures without having to worry about blured out photos as much as I do on my device!
Lets face it, I have had alot of HTC Devices over the years and it´s always something thats wrong with them!
I am keeping my TP in case something changes in the future, but for now I do feal that I have to get myself another device that is working properly!
Now my choice is betweek the HD and samsund Omnia!
Do you guys have any experience about the omnia vs HD?
Or do you reccoment another device that is in your opinion even better?
Thank you all in advance!
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I have come from the Omnia to the HD and I find the HD a much better device for me, so far I have not expierenced the GPS lag that is being mentioed a lot, i use iGO8 without any issues.
I have also watched 3 divx movies on the HD using coreplayed, again without any issues.
The camera is the standard HTC fare, it is good in ideal conditions and as I have said before it is only the fact that it is 5MP that makes it good, the Omnia camera is the best PDA phone camera I have ever used.
The HD has a built in stylus and not a "phone charm" dangling thing like the Omnia.
hope this helps
I have to disagree with the above commnets. I just got My HD yesterday from Orange. And I haven't installed any additional applications apart from coreplayer. I've tried running an episode of House 350mb divx/xvid file. And there isn't that much action in this program but I still get dithering/slow running. Also got a couple of movies on the card same format approx 715mb and again it doesn't run as nicely as I would have expected it to or have seen it to play (as the video on Youtube shows)
Any Suggestions???
I practically only got the phone for the nice big screen and so I can play videos on it. Not really bothered about a GPS lag.
Memory Card?
I've heard that the encoding of the program can cause it to stutter (in one of the many reviews I've read!) though it could also be the memory card you're using. Make sure its a decent class so that the read spead won't cause any issues.
For the people who think this device playbacks well on videos maybe you should do a little bit of search in this forum first...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444494
kersh did some tests, none of the videos performed 100% (which means minimum acceptable playback speed)
For people not so demanding on video playback performance this might not be an issue, but as I said in other posts this as an advertised multimedia device is expected to perform excellent which is NOT...
I haven't noticed any extraordinary GPS lag compared to other devices using iGo8 (there's some little lag but it's natural as the GPS receiver is polled at certain intervals, which should be compensated by software "magic"). I also tried two external GPS receivers, one based on SiRF III, another one based on MTK, and haven't found any difference in this regard.
Video playback on HD is quite tolerable and I seriously doubt it'll match that of powerful Marvel-based devices, but that's the limitation of the Qualcomm architecture. In addition to a weaker processor, the device also has higher resolution which adds to the problem. Omnia's performance is vastly superior, not just in video. I don't know whether the HD's hardware accelerator is or will be used and whether this will help. That being said, you can watch movies on this device, it's not a 200MHz Touch or something. In some movies you'll notice occasional frame skips, in others it's quite smooth, but you aren't trying to substitute your big screen plasma with this, are you?
If these are the two applications you use the devices for, Omnia could make sense. However, the screen there is awful. Low resolution makes web surfing quite painful, in the overview mode you can't read fonts at all. Also, esthetically, the pixels are huge and very visible, which makes using the device much less fun. This turned me off completely.
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I have to disagree with the above commnets. I just got My HD yesterday from Orange. And I haven't installed any additional applications apart from coreplayer. I've tried running an episode of House 350mb divx/xvid file. And there isn't that much action in this program but I still get dithering/slow running. Also got a couple of movies on the card same format approx 715mb and again it doesn't run as nicely as I would have expected it to or have seen it to play (as the video on Youtube shows)
Any Suggestions???
I practically only got the phone for the nice big screen and so I can play videos on it. Not really bothered about a GPS lag.
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i don't understand how you can disagree with my comments when they are my experiences with my device, anyway am not sure why you are experiencing stuttering and lags, but I have not had any so far, I have watched 3 700~mb divx movies and so far so good.
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i don't understand how you can disagree with my comments when they are my experiences with my device, anyway am not sure why you are experiencing stuttering and lags, but I have not had any so far, I have watched 3 700~mb divx movies and so far so good.
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Just the fact that a movie is a 700MB divx doesn't mean much, they are quite different in terms of performance. In my experience, some play OK to fine, others skip frames visibly in dynamic scenes. It's nowhere close to even 416MHz Intel/Marvel devices, let alone the 600+MHz Omnia.
Purchased Omnia!
Okey, so I decided to buy the Omnia even if most of you voted for the HD!
Boy am I glad I did that!
I have spent almost this whole day testing the device, the first thing I tested was to copy a 1.2 gb Xvid movie to it, it played out of the box with it´s built in touch player so I did not even have to install CorePlayer! And do I even have to mention that it did not lag/stutter even once watching the whole movie, with alot of action scenes!
Then I installed TomTom 7 and BeeLine GPS and went out for a walk!
Testing BeelineGPS while walking was a whole different experience then with my Touch Pro, the compas view rotated and adjusted it´s position with every step I took! (With Touch Pro it only updated every 10 to 20 meters!) What a difference!
TomTom performed just as well, it followed my car exactly even in high speed!
And it is alot snappier then my Touch Pro even tho it has less ram! Rotating screen is an instant and overall performance is way better then the TP!
Bare in mind that I have installed custom speedy rom in my TP, and the Omnia is all original! Now imagine what this device can do with a custom rom!
I dont know about you, but I can just say that I dont believe I made a misstake with this device, but I have to keep testing it a bit more, just had it one day so far!
I'm a bit anoyed with the slowness of Touch HD so am considering moving to Hero or iPhone.
iPhone seems to be very quick, but I don't really like Apple's lock-it-down concept, so if UI speed on Hero is comparable to iPhone, I'd rather go that way.
Any input on this?
Hero all the way, more options as such.. however there are some bugs with flash otherwise go for it... i wud still stay with the HD, bigger screen/better reso, everytin else is the same as the hero, cept the digital compass - if u have gps, its rather useless.
hope i helped.
I would prob view the options in person rather then
judging from youtube clips and the likes
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I'm a bit anoyed with the slowness of Touch HD so am considering moving to Hero or iPhone.
iPhone seems to be very quick, but I don't really like Apple's lock-it-down concept, so if UI speed on Hero is comparable to iPhone, I'd rather go that way.
Any input on this?
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iPhone 3gs can be jailbroken now...if you want to go down that route
I can't understand what everybody means with "the Touch HD interface is so slow"
How could it be much faster? Or is there such a big gap between Touch HD and iPhone in UI speed?
Maybe I can try an iPhone myself in the next days to look for big differences, but atm i can't imagine, that it would be so much faster.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if an App has to load a certain amount into the memory, there MUST be a small lag before the program opens.
And I think the Touch HD handles Apps and especially its TouchFLO interface very well and fast. So I have no need to even compare to iPhone or something similar because I'm happy
Well UI on Touch HD is slow(-er than iphone 3gs)! Did you not expirience the lag between your action and reaction, when you e.g. move between the tabs, or when you answer the call (veeery annoying), when your going through the contacts, etc?
Iphone seems to do all these things with no noticable dealy.
Also browsing on iPhone is much better (read: faster & better screen rendering and navigation) even though screen resolution is lower.
I guess I'll have to wait for Hero to get into the shops and test in person...
Whats your memory usage like while you are having slow responses from the touch? I don't use TouchFlo and my HD is very fast apart from some of the larger apps like tom tom they all open straight away.
Maybe its because I don't got a direct comparison myself.
But for me, there is no disturbing lag which would me force to buy the iPhone
Like I said, hopefully I can test it myself and compare.
I will give instant feedback after that.
I think iPhone is not exactly faster, but it's much more smooth, it needs slightest touch/multi-touch to response, whereas for HTC Touch HD we have to use more force.
You should try iPhone and you'll get what I mean .
I dont know about hero but iphone resolution is HVGA 480x320 which is lower than a VGA 480x640. if your used to HD screen resolution 480x800 then you will find HVGA pixelated. I would never buy a phone with screen resolution lower than VGA no matter how fast the UI. Remember iphone os is not the same as wm which loads a lot of things on startup due to its multi-tasking capability. try turning off touchflo that would make your HD a lot faster. Keep your HD which is superior to iphone 3Gs
I suggest you try the cooked ROMs if you haven't. They can be very fast and stable. Personally, I have used both iPhone and I have Touch HD with Dutty's WM 6.5 Muchos R4 Rom, I would never think of switching to an iPhone. My Touch HD is very responsive and Fast even with TF3D enabled.
I'm going to wait for another htc phone based on android sense but with a new procesor
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I suggest you try the cooked ROMs if you haven't. They can be very fast and stable. Personally, I have used both iPhone and I have Touch HD with Dutty's WM 6.5 Muchos R4 Rom, I would never think of switching to an iPhone. My Touch HD is very responsive and Fast even with TF3D enabled.
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Totally agree. I use HD and Iphone and thanks to Dutty's WM6.5 R4 I like HD much more!
"I think iPhone is not exactly faster, but it's much more smooth, it needs slightest touch/multi-touch to response, whereas for HTC Touch HD we have to use more force."
sounds more like a capative vs. restience touch screen hardware difference
some of the andriod devices like capative touch screens too
I've had me HD for about a month now.
Sure it's slow with some things. (not much though)
But, I'm sure the iphone has it's issues also?
The touch can be adjusted to suit, many things can be adjusted. And there are many apps to load and custom HD to your liking.
I did find, having about 9 apps runnig, started to show a little more 'slowness' than norm, but compared with my old S730, it flies along
I spent ages deciding between the HD and new iphone.
I'm plenty happy to get the HD, not wishing I got the iphone.
I haven't seen Hero yet in person but would suggest to wait for the new processors they'll be ready in a month or two and your HD is going to "survive" till then.Personally i won't change it for awhile I like tweaking it and it now has a "soul" it's like a pet compared to the iphone which is like a "tool" .
i would wait until senseUI comes out and able to be put on your HD and see what you think
The smoothness of the iPhone is because of the coding. If you want to see the same degree of smooth scrolling then install PhoneEx for your WinMo and you will see what i mean.
Everything you do is similar to the iPhone smoothness.
WinMo is easily capable but it needs competent programmers, like the creators of PhoneEx to make it decent.
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Well UI on Touch HD is slow(-er than iphone 3gs)! Did you not expirience the lag between your action and reaction, when you e.g. move between the tabs, or when you answer the call (veeery annoying), when your going through the contacts, etc?
Iphone seems to do all these things with no noticable dealy.
Also browsing on iPhone is much better (read: faster & better screen rendering and navigation) even though screen resolution is lower.
I guess I'll have to wait for Hero to get into the shops and test in person...
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have you tried using teh cooked ROMS in the forums? or perhaps using HD Tweak! then you'll notice how really fast the blackstone is!
Rudegar said:
"I think iPhone is not exactly faster, but it's much more smooth, it needs slightest touch/multi-touch to response, whereas for HTC Touch HD we have to use more force."
sounds more like a capative vs. restience touch screen hardware difference
some of the andriod devices like capative touch screens too
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As mentioned before, install the phone extention program PhoneEx and you will see how wrong that is.
Hey guys, just sold one of my TG01's and was thinking of what new phone to get. I've been thinking about the Leo, but im not 100% sure yet, how are you guys liking it or disliking it?
any other phones you guys suggest?
well
From my point of view it is the best WinMo phone out there. It does have its issues but they are more from a perspective of it could be done better and does not compare to other competing phones.
The iPhone is also a great phone but a different audience. I personally would/do get frustrated with a iPhone but would easily buy one for my wife.
In every aspect the HD2 tops every other phone and once you get it in your hands you will love it. My battery usage suxs as I can't help picking it up and playing with it. It spends more time being fondled than actually making calls
Video playback is a dream. Screen is great to use and its big but you don't even notice it in your pocket.
5 stars from me.
It's a spectacular handset a far as i'm concerned. Obviously some people have experienced bugs and so they'll have a different perspective, but so far my experience is overwhelmingly positive. I came from a kaiser, and the performance feels like a huge leap. Full desktop-page web browsing is astounding - but maybe those coming from more recent phones wont be so blown away. I just can't believe how quickly it renders desktop content, how smooth the scrolling is, and how readable it all is even at quite a low zoom level.
The handset really is a joy to use. In the past i've had issues with winmo forgetting wireless network keys etc. - no such misfortune here. It's storing 2 or three and switching between them as i move around the building with no hiccups at all. Battery life feels better with wireless on too, but i have not measured this empirically.
I would prefer more apps to auto rotate out of the box, but there are already posts around the net (probably here too although i haven't looked) about easily brining in this sort of tweak. That's the reason you get a phone with this sort of platform really - the flexibility it affords you. The experience is completely customisable, although that said, it's pretty damn fantastic straight out of the box
Leo is the best wm ppc out there right now! Of course all the good scoops are in the threads in the Leo section...
Great phone, best PPC without a doubt.
Certainly not topping every other phone in every aspect, as one person above suggests, but very good.
One line summary of the HD 2: A rough diamond waiting to be polished.
Either wait until Custom ROMS are avaliable or just get a DROID / Milestone
If you like WinMo, Leo's the best WinMo handset at teh moment. Probably you will have to figure out what you really expect from a handset.
Btw, Milestone yuck! Just sayin'
I heard on two main issues:
1. Pink tint on the pictures (is it fixed yet)?
2. WinMo typical slow downs over time. Lags, etc, even on the Sense UI level. Is it true?
How does it compare to units like HTC Pro for instance in terms of smootheness and lags?
I have leo for two days and I can say att the device is lovely,is big but dont take any place when i put them in my jeans pocket,the touch screen is the best one ever,but is some annoyings bugs in them,wait for a uppdate of the rom for to by or try to fix,I wil tell you some of them in my device:
-audio manager crash after 45 sec to play a song with my memory card(sanddisk16gb)
-pink color in album with the camera pictures
-when you take a picture the music stop and you need to go to the player and start again to play the song
-bluetooth sound is like a AM radio and the volume can´t be controlled(SE HBH-IS800)
-dont play the almost video format
-maybe is coming something more in the way
my previous device:Xperia x1 and many many others
Amator72 said:
I heard on two main issues:
1. Pink tint on the pictures (is it fixed yet)?
2. WinMo typical slow downs over time. Lags, etc, even on the Sense UI level. Is it true?
How does it compare to units like HTC Pro for instance in terms of smootheness and lags?
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1. Haven't made many pictures yet but I know I don't have to expect much from the HTC camera's unfortunately. Was the same on the HTC Touch Pro. It's really a shame they don't put better camera modules in their phones but ok... The pink tint IS an issue appearantly and doesn't seem to be fixed yet.
2. Haven't noticed any slowdowns like this... There is the occasional hickup
but they seem to be caused more by a certain application or part of the sense software then by windows mobile.
Compared to the HTC Touch Pro and Omnia Qwerty Pro (B7610) it's fast. I really notice a difference opening apps, going through files, going through settings, etc.
Browsing is a dream, much faster then on the HTC Touch Pro and B7610 as well. It seems my connection is better but also the cpu makes a difference. And then there's the huge screen, REALLY helps a lot.
Same goes for playing videos. Again the screen and cpu make it such a delight. Videos unable to play on the Touch Pro and B7610 play very smoothly on the HD2.
They onscreen keyboard was a problem for me in the beginning, I had a really hard time typing even one word correctly. Now with the firmware update this seems mostly fixed. I still miss keys every now and then (I don't use XT9 correction) but I find typing to be much easier now. Coming from phones with hardware keyboards this was one of the main issues for me, how would it be without a hardware keyboard, but again the screensize makes this very doable.
All in all I'm loving the phone so far...
ivo34 said:
I have leo for two days and I can say att the device is lovely,is big but dont take any place when i put them in my jeans pocket,the touch screen is the best one ever,but is some annoyings bugs in them,wait for a uppdate of the rom for to by or try to fix,I wil tell you some of them in my device:
-audio manager crash after 45 sec to play a song with my memory
card(sanddisk16gb)
-pink color in album with the camera pictures
-when you take a picture the music stop and you need to go to the player and start again to play the song
-bluetooth sound is like a AM radio and the volume can´t be controlled(SE HBH-IS800)
-dont play the almost video format
-maybe is coming something more in the way
my previous device:Xperia x1 and many many others
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About the audioplayer 45 second crash. No problems here, is this always the case for you? I use pocketplayer most of the time though, no problems listening to music 2hrs continuously (in the train).
I heard the audio player also stops/pauses/causes problems when the device goes into sleep mode. Something I had on my HTC pro (and believe samsung) as well. Pocketplayer solves this as well...
Have the SE HBH DS-980 bluetooth headset myself and no problems, heard other complaints about the sound quality (and some fix which I haven't tried yet) so perhaps my standards are very low. Pausing, volume, etc controls are working just fine though...
Also no problems with video (formats) playback, again might be due to pocketplayer because the default media player is kinda limited indeed.
dagrim1 said:
About the audioplayer 45 second crash. No problems here, is this always the case for you? I use pocketplayer most of the time though, no problems listening to music 2hrs continuously (in the train).
I heard the audio player also stops/pauses/causes problems when the device goes into sleep mode. Something I had on my HTC pro (and believe samsung) as well. Pocketplayer solves this as well...
Have the SE HBH DS-980 bluetooth headset myself and no problems, heard other complaints about the sound quality (and some fix which I haven't tried yet) so perhaps my standards are very low. Pausing, volume, etc controls are working just fine though...
Also no problems with video (formats) playback, again might be due to pocketplayer because the default media player is kinda limited indeed.
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I use core player and nitrogen,core player works well,also the volume control,nitrogen works but can not control the volume,,I tested with another bluetooth headsets and is the same, and audio manager is continuous crashing,I did hardreset 2 times,the audio quality I fixed whit this thread below,only use decimal:320 instead 256
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4960404&postcount=119
when will the custom roms be avail? anytime soon? anyone know?
Coming from a SEX1, I find this phone to be a huge sigh of relieve. I love it, it's fast. Reception is extremely good.
Camera might be better IMO, personally I don't experience the pink hue, but when taking pictures and watching them on pc I find they aren't good quality at all.Maybe fiddling around with settings would do the trick, but I'm illiterate when it comes to camera settings.
As I said, I love the phone. Pretty sure, you'll fall in love with it.
Its Awesome
Compared to other WinMo phones I have ha I can tell you that the Leo is awesome. The screen is a real winner, yet the overall size is far more comfotable that the hermes or Kaiser that I had before. The sense interface features are stunning. I am extremely happy with my purchase and waiting for the chefs to start tweaking the ROM...
I've owned the TyTN I, TyTn II, SEX1, Palm Pro, etc and the Leo/HD2 is the best WM device by a large margin. One area people may not have mentioned is the great battery life - the best I have seen in a WM device, especially given the size of the screen and the CPU speed.
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when will the custom roms be avail? anytime soon? anyone know?
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Cutom roms are ready for cooking but the HardSPL needs to be completed yet before they can be flashed to peoples phones and I havent heard much information on that yet.
HTC Herald > HTC TouchPro > Samsung Omnia > HTC HD2 <--- The best of all. Of course has issues as all phones, but its speed and responsiveness blacks them out.
whats faster guys, the HD2 or the TG01, anyone knows? i had the TG01 actually had 2, sold one, and using one for the time being, they are both TG01 and HD2 1ghz, but which one is faster (software wise i guess)
One of the biggests facts making me like the hd2 is the fact is has a capicative screen, so much more responsive, no more getting your stylus of using your fingernail to get things done. Just a very slight touch