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is there a better phone/pda

hi all looking at getting a trinity 3600 because i need stanalone gps, pda and a phone that takes my 3 sim card. just wondering b4 i take the plunge is there another phone that will meet my requirements that anybody thinks is better than the 3600 cheers

Other devices...
Well, the HTC Advantage can do all the same things, plus it has a VGA screen, but is a much more bulky device. The only other device I'm aware of that does all that the Trinity does is the Nokia N95. The Nokia has the advantage of a 5MP camera (only 2mp on the Trinity), but it doesn't run pocket PC (it's Symbian I think).
Other than that, I'm not aware of any others. The Trinity is a very good device, you'd be hard pushed to beat it!
Lee

but Advantage i read can only be used as a phone using a headset
it dont have a mic or something
polaris the upcomming replacement for Artemis but it's not out yet
another option could be Kaiser is another option if one is not bothered by the extre thickness the keyboard adds or even pref a keyboard

thanks for your replies the n95 i think you have to pay for the gps service I dont think it has a built in sirfstar 3 chipset or any alike so i would not go for that but i will have a look at the kaiser cheers

Yes, N95 runs Symbian, but no touchscreen. I've tried it a few days ago - much slower than my N73.

Other options
As of now the Trinity is one of the best PDA'a around.
Other phones that you can consider are the Asus P535/525 series and the Eten M700.
These phones have all the feature the Trinity has and then some more. Like all phones, the Trinity also has its fair share of problems.
I was about to buy the Trinity but holding out for the Kaiser, it has all the feature that I want in a phone.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Cheers,
Hiren

i'll wait for polaris or nike myself
dont want a slideout keyboard

polaris looks really good just took a look out in october ultra thin aswell says 3.5 in screen does that make the phone bigger than the mda 3 compact and is it defo 3g because it was the mda i wanted but only 2g

hi...
is there a better phone/pda? interesting question....
If you are using it mostly like a phone I wouldnt go for the trinity because of two issues:
* I need a quite strong GSM signal to get acceptable sound quality. People I call often complain about the quality of my voice when compared to a 'normal' phone. Maybe is my device, people in this forum say, but I tried some proposed remedies without success.
* Screen is nearly invisible outdoors on a sunny day
If you are using mostly PDA features, the trinity may be an interesting option. The rest of features work really well, specially GPS.
Beware a new (pricey) trinity version is to be released soon (or maybe already). Hopefully they solve these issues plus the paint peeling off thing. Then it would be the perfect phone.

Depends on what you value!
If you need the phone for business, don't get a PDA phone coz the reception is NOT 100% reliable...
What do you need the PDA for?
All in all, it might be better to get a TomTom GO, then a cheap phone with bluetooth that can connect to TomTom!
But as previously said, D810X is meant to be coming out, no idea when and how much though.

D810x is out in Australia as the HTC p3600i.

i think dell axim x51 is very good for gaming but it dont have a camera!

Polaris looks its gonna be great! I remember reading it only has 400mhz cpu :S

what are people moving on to?

The Universal has severed me well for several years, but I feel that there must be something newer, shiner out there.
(I basically want a new toy)
I love having a proper keyboard, the ability to open word/excel files as well as web browsing and email.
Any recommendations
Ash

I got an XDA Orbit - but still keep going back to my Exec. It may be bulky but I still love the flexibility of it.

Take a look at HTC Athena or HTC Shift, its bulky but a step up indeed.

I'm not moving on, the Uni is still the best IMHO. No other phone has a full keyboard (including number buttons), VGA screen, normal sized SD card slot, 3.5mm headphone socket, 3G, and massive extended batteries of over 5000mAH. The Athena is not counted, since you need a headset or speakerphone to use it as a "phone", which I find too inconvenient.
I will not upgrade until a phone comes out which has most if not all of the above features.

I upgraded to O2 XDA Atom Life a couple of weeks ago. I never used the keyboard of universal, so, being keyboardless on atom life does not hurts. 1gb rom is a big plus. I've stored everything on my device(including a 600mb movie too ). Its fast(624MHZ) too. Its qvga, but, at 2.8', it looks sweet. And hey, its beautiful from outside too
Overall, a happy guy. Impressed with quanta's hardware quality too.
edit: here is the review of it on my website
http://gadgetmix.com/reviews/atomlife/atomlife.htm

Kaiser - the HSDPA and GPS nearly makes up for the lack of VGA screen and full number row.
Surur

I'm upgraing to... The universal! Yep apart from going to the athena which i dont have the money for nothing compares to the Universal. Must admit the Kaiser did appeal to me but with it's GPS chip, but a 400 Mhz processor and QVGA persuaded me to that the Uni was better. Now if HTC was to put a GPS chip in the Uni? It'd be perfect and have everything.
Psi

when is the omni expected? any news?

Any Regrets on your choice of phone?

Hello,
I am currently a cingular 8525 user but the call for more ram faster processing has gotten to me. I am also drawn to the touch interface (my swipes are blocked by my phones bezel around the screen). Do you guys have any regrets about your purchase. I think i will get a niki or wait on teh cruise what do you guys think if you had to do it again would you wait?

i'd still get the niki

I'd still buy the niki, because I really like to have the buttons, I already had a bluetooth gps unit and don't really need wifi, I will use my laptop for fast internet browsing and have a unlimited data bundle for umts.
although I have to say that with et9 and the touch keyboard it isn't too annoying to be using the on screen keyboard.
So I think it's a matter of personal taste, which one do you prefer, the hardware keypad or the gps/wifi availability..

I have the bluetooth gps unit as well and dont use my wifi at all. Also for the keyboard i was gonna be leaning more towards the touchpal keyboard. Its hard to use on my Hermes becasue of the bezel. I think i may opt for it.

I honestly wouldn't buy it. For about the same price I would get an Asus P535 with GPS and WI-FI.
New HTC models have problems, mainly with missing drives, making them slow!
But since I got it as a Xmas present ... can't complaint :x

jvieira said:
I honestly wouldn't buy it. For about the same price I would get an Asus P535 with GPS and WI-FI.
New HTC models have problems, mainly with missing drives, making them slow!
But since I got it as a Xmas present ... can't complaint :x
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If I knew what I know now, that the irritations that I have about it now is a F******** feature, and not a flaw in the design, I would have waited for a better alternative, or another WM phone.
Atleast to just throw something in HTC's face. Yes, I'm that disappointed, and will be until they fix me some drivers so it doesn't run worse than a 3-4 year old PDA.

Thanks for the input ill hold off until something comes from HTC. I have heard issues with sevral of their new phones.

The Asus P535 doesnt look all that impressive...as far as specs go.

battery is weak. other than that the device rocks.
xt9 sucks in the beginning. after a while it is good.
i really like that you can navigate without stylus. i would buy it again.

I would also buy it again.
Beside the fact that is looks pretty fancy, it is rock solid.
I am only missing internal GPS
@asus p535
unfortunately, it does not have UMTS and only 64mb ram!

I, too, would buy this phone again. It is the coolest looking and functioning phone I've ever owned. Just the right size and very solid.

Please stay away from HTC phones. They'll just advertise good hardware and not provide the proper drivers to have them working to it's full potential. In other words, it's like buying an awesome piece of hardware that only runs 30% of its full power.
Check this: http://htcclassaction.org
I'm one of the victims because I bought an HTC TOuch Dual.
So piece of advice.. I'd rather get something from Eten or even apple if I were you.

I have three regrets:
1. No USA T-Mobile 3G. Since T-Mo doesn't have working 3G here yet, it just means I'll have to buy another phone on the off chance they get it working this century.
2. QC issues. The first Touch Dual I bought died 14 days in. Too early to say anything about the replacement. So far so good, though.
3. No GPS. Kind of upsetting that HTC disabled the GPS ability on this phone, but for me it's a "nice extra" and not a requirement. I bought it knowing it wouldn't be there.
Otherwise, it's by far the best phone I've ever owned. Even with the driver issue it beats the snot out of my Wizard (US T-Mobile MDA) as far as speed, I love the touch interface tweaks compared to the MDA and I love the sleek form factor compared to the giant brick the MDA was.

DaVince said:
Please stay away from HTC phones. They'll just advertise good hardware and not provide the proper drivers to have them working to it's full potential. In other words, it's like buying an awesome piece of hardware that only runs 30% of its full power.
Check this: http://htcclassaction.org
I'm one of the victims because I bought an HTC TOuch Dual.
So piece of advice.. I'd rather get something from Eten or even apple if I were you.
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Is this driver issue only with video or complete phone performance. I feel for you guys but i dont watch video on my phone as it will eat the battery up during travel. Seems to be a mixed crowd though.

complete phone performance. the simpliest task of scrolling up and down a page is totally messy!

myv6mustang said:
Is this driver issue only with video or complete phone performance. I feel for you guys but i dont watch video on my phone as it will eat the battery up during travel. Seems to be a mixed crowd though.
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COMPLETE PHONE PERFORMANCE.
It's like running your PC on Safe Mode.
You can't even scroll on PIE or Opera Mini without being agitated!
NOTE: Some people are already satisfied (or can live with a PC that runs in Safe Mode) that's why some people does not notice the difference.

Thanks...guess ill be passing on this one.

The sad thing is I REALLY wanted this phone, but the lack of proper driver support is just completely retarded; the Touch Dual is a beautiful device, much more attractive, IMO, than the iPhone, but if they can't be bothered to implement the drivers properly, and the phone performs like crap as a consequence, then I've got to look elsewhere. Has anyone had any experience with Eten's hardware? Specifically the X or M800?

nichomach said:
The sad thing is I REALLY wanted this phone, but the lack of proper driver support is just completely retarded; the Touch Dual is a beautiful device, much more attractive, IMO, than the iPhone, but if they can't be bothered to implement the drivers properly, and the phone performs like crap as a consequence, then I've got to look elsewhere. Has anyone had any experience with Eten's hardware? Specifically the X or M800?
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it is not that bad. if i want to watch a film i watch it on tv. the rest works fine...

snudel said:
it is not that bad. if i want to watch a film i watch it on tv. the rest works fine...
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I never tried big films (700mb, 1:30h), but I can see small 10 minute clips without a problem! No stops, no delays, nothing. the biggest problem is scrolling up and down on a page. it goes crazy!

P3600i or Tytn 2

Hello. I've been following the Kaiser thread ever since I heard about it, and with the same anxiety of the owners of that phone i've been waiting for the miraculous drivers to appear. I'm looking forward to upgrade from a HP hx2750, to a new pda with phone. After a few research I concluded that the pdas the fit my need are the HTC p3600 (trinity), p3600i (500Mhz processor version) , the Tytn 2 Kaiser or the coming Eten X800 and the I-mate 8502 which in my option is the best off all those but I doubt it will be available sooner than April 2008.
From all those the p3600i and tytn 2 seemed more appealing. So I have to pick between the p3600i (since i'd rather have more ROM and processor speed though paying a bit more) or the kaiser, tytn 2.
I like to play videos, take pictures and once in awhile play a few games, but also have a decent scrolling and browsing speed since I'm used to the hx2750 wm6, BUT, i'm not sure if the drivers will ever be made or work properly... in other words I wouldn't like to have a crippled phone as expensive as that kaiser(not getting contract!). The p3600i looks great is not so buggy but doesn't have keyboard and this is something I always missed in the hx2750. Neither I know if the keyboard in the end is really that useful cause it looks very hard to type in...
I heard better things from htc in past times but now they don't seem to care for consumers opinion, so that's another question. I dunno if it's better to get the kaiser and wait for drivers or get something more solid. I heard new windows 6.1 will come out soon, so might be a help or push to fix problem. I prefer more the kaiser but the p3600i is impressive too...
So i'm here asking for whoever wants to share its opinion... What's the best buy p3600i or tytn2 (kaiser, tilt)?
Is htc giving up the kaiser for real?(no more drivers, no more production of that model? And does the p3600i as any issue too?
P.S:I really refer to the p3600i not the updated p3600(trinity)

Heavy s**t
My penn'orth:
The TyTyn 2 is SOOOOO heavy and bulky. although the 3MP camera is nice, the keyboard is not really that useful as it's fiddly to use and the bulky size and weight for me do not justify the tilt / keyboard.
For it's size I'd say go with the 3600i.
It may be useful in terms of getting responses - to specify which driver issue you are talking about - I'm not sure myself!

I would like to add that you should keep in mind that the P3600i is still relatively new and that if you plan to immediately flash the ROM to your favourite cooked TouchFlo variety you will be unable to do so for a while so you'll have to stick with the original stuff for now. Apart from that I would say that a big part of your decision-making considerations would be the hardware keyboard and how important having one means to you - to be honest I hardly use them. Additionally, I HATE to feel the looseness/play created by the moving parts, and I like a solid phone with only buttons - no flips, slides or twists. Another consideration is battery life - not sure exactly how they compare, but I have a feeling there is not much difference between the two (keeping in mind that the P3600i has a faster processor than the Kaiser). I am not sure how the cameras compare either, but the Kaiser should indeed produce better results, though I will say that the P3600/P3600i's photos are not that bad either. Another factor, presumably, is the cost. I am about to buy a P3600i today and it's running me USD$599 - the TyTN II is USD$750. For me it's the P3600i, but of course, the choice is yours. You have to look at all the differences between the two phones (read as many reviews as you can) and the environment you will be using the phone in and the type of usage you will demand from it to fine-tune and make the best decision for yourself.

I had to make the same decision and ended up with the p3600. For two reasons:
1st: The P3600 comes with almost the same functionality, like wifi, gps, hsdpa/umts and so on - but is cheaper and smaller. Besides that the P3600 has no performanceproblems with applications or videoplayback.
2nd: I dont do any SMS-texting, neither do I write any e-mails from the phone. So the keyboard wasnt too important to me. Since there are some nice programs for fingerfriendly onscreen keyboards, I can type small texts without any difficulty and quite fast.
You definitely get more for your money with the p3600 ... which is useless if you need to write 20 emails a day on your phone ...

The drivers issue I made reference to (Htc tytn 2) problem is the fact it has a video performance worst than earlier models, it's slow and paused when scrolling, can't play games with proper frame rates. This is blamed in the lack video drivers... the tytn 2 or kaiser thread is filled with users seeking a solution to that.
The p3600i is a beautiful device but I don't know till when the 64MB memory will be a issue, and the kaiser offers 128Mb...
I don't really mind not having a cooked rom as long as the new one isn't that bad or buggy. About the touchflo I don't know really what is and how useful is but I suppose is something like finger scrolling... don't think is useful in such small screens... ^^
My hx2750 screen is almost as big as the p3600! I compared them side by side!
Does anyone knows if any htc device will be updated to wm6.1?
Thanks for all opinions...

Are these a good buy?

I am thinking of upgrading from my Wizard, its a little slow on some aps (eg Opera) and doesn't have 3G. Are the Jades a good choice? Any others to consider?
The things I need are Windows mobile, 3G, WiFi and bluetooth. The GPS built in would be great as I wouldn't need to use a bluetooth one for MemoryMap, etc.
Also what price should I be able to get these for (in £)?

Looks pretty good, but....
I just picked up an Orange branded version, which to be fair could do with having the standard HTC Rom installed.
Pros are: I got this one for £150 (saw one go on ebay for £137) which I think is a good price for a phone PDA with the most current OS. Its SMALL, easily pocketable. Has a lot of good features and hi speed internet
Cons: I dont like the buttons much, and think that QVGA is a little poor for this day and age, no tilt sensor, only on screen keyboard and people do moan about the battery life.
As always, its depends what you want, I have a Touch Pro and a Kaiser, so am biased towards the keyboard models, but if its dinky you want, this could be the one.
Hope this helps...
MS

The Kaiser looks interesting, however I rarely used the keyboard on the Wizard. Presumably the Jade is also a tad faster.

Jade is fast. Also no hotfixes on offer in support section of htc website: there are already two for the new diamond.

i have both, Wizard and Jade.
Jade is thin, fast and good looking and the build in GPS is a major improvement.
I pimped the good ol' wizard with WM 6.1 ROM (hubby is using it), and i must admit.....it performs above expectations, though it looks like a refrigerator next to Jade.