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another disappointing device from htc?

Hi!
First of all, I buy 2 days ago a Touch HD (im getting this week), but all the more I read, my thinks are that HD is not a great device finally.
Pros
- Big screen
Cons
- GPS Lag (ultra important)
- Video doesnt play smooth (80 90%) on coreplayer and have lag
- Camera lag and bad quality photos.
- No [email protected] videos
- Lot of devices with dead pixels
So, why buy this device instead staying on a Diamond/pro or buying a X1? If I stay, I only lose a bigger screen that not cost 600€ for me (usb from the diamond have adapters to 3.5 minijack), and if you buy a X1, only lose the big screen but wins all of the cons of HTC devices plus more ram and better battery.
So, what are your reason to buy the Touch HD? Im thinking on cancel my order on monday.

yes, cancel your order and buy an iphone , this solve all probs about camera , recording , gps lag etcetc

kersh said:
Hi!
First of all, I buy 2 days ago a Touch HD (im getting this week), but all the more I read, my thinks are that HD is not a great device finally.
Pros
- Big screen
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I doubt this ... because:
I am not sure that this big screen is effective enough. For watching movie and video, yes it is. However, for browsing the internet, without a doubt, you can see more content compare to 2.8" screen ... but is it directly readable without zooming? I dont think so ... Still nice though.
kersh said:
Cons
- GPS Lag (ultra important)
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I dont think so, the first 2 owners from The Netherlands confirmed that the GPS Lag does not exist in this device.
But, again, no more report from other owner ...
kersh said:
- Video doesnt play smooth (80 90%) on coreplayer and have lag
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I saw couple of examples from YouTube, I think it plays quite well. I dont see lag nor delay.
Oh yeah, it does not play 720p nor 1080p
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- Camera lag and bad quality photos.
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Agree, I think the camera still sux ... or worse (more shutter-lag because of the 5 MP?)
kersh said:
- No [email protected] videos
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Which Windows Mobile phone can do that?
For sure, iPhone cant do that.
kersh said:
- Lot of devices with dead pixels
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This is bad ... probably we need to start counting how many percent have dead pixel. Poll anyone?
kersh said:
So, why buy this device instead staying on a Diamond/pro or buying a X1?
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Touch Diamond + Pro ---> GPS Lag
X1 ---> Slow performance???
kersh said:
If I stay, I only lose a bigger screen that not cost 600€ for me (usb from the diamond have adapters to 3.5 minijack), and if you buy a X1, only lose the big screen but wins all of the cons of HTC devices plus more ram and better battery.
So, what are your reason to buy the Touch HD? Im thinking on cancel my order on monday.
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My reason? I dont know ... probably I will stick with my Kaiser ... and wait the next 3.8" WinMo ...
Or probably wait WinMo 6.5? Probably this can add some more functionalities.

Well right now i want a WinMo device and i want it with a 3.5mm audio jack, so that leaves me with two options:
X1 and Touch HD
Since X1 doesnt have an acclerometer (which WinMo7 is going to use heavily), has a recessed screen and TouchFlo doesnt play nice with it yet and since i can't use the keyboard fully in my language, i'd rather go with Touch HD's bigger screen.
GPS and camera aren't so crucial for me (for 3 years on my old nokia, i've used the camera ~10 times, haven't had a GPS and don't imagine i'll need it much (though its nice to have)).
Devices with dead pixels are covered by warranty, so that shouldnt be a problem.
And the only other argument you have is video doesnt play smooth, which isnt that good, since i plan on using it a lot, but when i asked here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443245 the guy says that non-AC3 movies from the net play ok and on one review, the reviewer was playing an ep of House on it and it looked OK to me, so i guess it'll do for me.
I am not sure that this big screen is effective enough. For watching movie and video, yes it is. However, for browsing the internet, without a doubt, you can see more content compare to 2.8" screen ... but is it directly readable without zooming? I dont think so ... Still nice though.
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Actually it is. Played for 30 mins with one at a shop the other day and zoomed out everything was perfectly readable for me (though i'm young and don't use glasses, don't know about old folks (a lady at the Xperia forum returned it for that very reason)) the only thing that bugged me is that you can't click links directly from a zoomed out standpoint, first you have to zoom in, but that's Opera's fault, not Touch HD's. The guys at Opera should fix it
Which Windows Mobile phone can do that?
For sure, iPhone cant do that.
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X1 can and it haa pretty much the same specs as Touch HD, except for the camera, maybe that's the problem.
Also Nokia N95
iPhone might as well not have a camera

its a nice phone but not the killer device it was hyped up to be, but i hope it will improve god willing when the developers have a go at it.

...Frankly speaking, you should have waited if you had been disappointed by the HTC devices in general. If you don't like to fiddle with your telephone, suffer for improvements, contribute to it and refresh your OS every week - then an HTC is probably not the better choice, many other companies make good telephones and similar sexy toys. The touch HD is, in my opinion, the most innovative personal platform which has appeared in the last years - it just misses Linux which will arrive soon...
i think that HTC telephones are a technology platform to have fun, like PCs 20 years ago.
If you were expecting an "out of the box" apple performances and finished ergonomics there is no need of investigating: i would suggest to cancel your order and buy an I***** (...oops, i cannot even write it....maybe an allergy? )

BTW, i have a touch HD already and i have been driving at least two hours with it and i continously hear about the GPS lag: WHICH GPS lag? If it is a 20 m lag, at which speed you drive?
Since there is a lot of speculation, shouldn't everybody clarify if they heard/read about a problem from internet, or they had/saw the problem themselves?

pzucchel said:
BTW, i have a touch HD already and i have been driving at least two hours with it and i continously hear about the GPS lag: WHICH GPS lag? If it is a 20 m lag, at which speed you drive?
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What speeds do you drive at?

For the ones that say that I need and i****, I am not gonna buy and apple device in my life, but is frustrating seeing the same errors on every new device of HTC.
playbacks issues, gps lag, bad sound quality, etc etc
And the touch hd who can be the perfect model if they fix this, now is the same with a bigger screen, thats the problem, they sell the same again and again.
And the gps lag is not only 20 metters it is maybe more than 40 50 in some situations and the gps lag of the diamond have made me to skip a lot of detours and streets, it is a BIG issue.

gogol said:
I dont think so, the first 2 owners from The Netherlands confirmed that the GPS Lag does not exist in this device.
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Others confirming that big gps lag exists, reviews included.
gogol said:
I saw couple of examples from YouTube, I think it plays quite well. I dont see lag nor delay.
Oh yeah, it does not play 720p nor 1080p
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In youtube you cant see much, you need to use coreplayer benchmark or so and that have about 80%, that it is 20fps instead 25 on videos, so not smooth video playing
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Which Windows Mobile phone can do that?
For sure, iPhone cant do that.
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X1 can do and really great
gogol said:
Touch Diamond + Pro ---> GPS Lag
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yes, same **** that hd touch, very important issue on latest htc's
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X1 ---> Slow performance???
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x1 slow performance? It have better performance, more ram, no video issues.

compared with the touch pro, the touch hd is a big improvment. Battery life seems increadable - with the same use the touvch pro would have died hours ago and i still have 50 % left!1 Gps sensitivity is as good as my old kaiser - the touch pro could never get a lock indoors.
Not sure what htc have done, but its all good.

Coreplayer says 80% so the video playback is bad?
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lol
Ok.
TonyPlayer says 100.5%.

All these reports of crappy video playback are starting to worry me, that's one of the main reasons why i'm buying it...

Why do you use CorePlayer when WM6.1 comes with Windows Media Player ?

kersh said:
For the ones that say that I need and i****, I am not gonna buy and apple device in my life, but is frustrating seeing the same errors on every new device of HTC.
playbacks issues, gps lag, bad sound quality, etc etc
And the touch hd who can be the perfect model if they fix this, now is the same with a bigger screen, thats the problem, they sell the same again and again.
And the gps lag is not only 20 metters it is maybe more than 40 50 in some situations and the gps lag of the diamond have made me to skip a lot of detours and streets, it is a BIG issue.
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Dear Kersh,
i don't understand what is real and what is speculation: which sound quality? which lag? which playback issues? which etc.etc.?
I have been driving with it on highways, city and walking my dog. I couldn't see any lag. If the diamond had a lag (i don't know) you should not extrapolate that the touch HD behaves in the same way. Please let me know of a conclusive and quantitative test you'd like to see and I'll try it out.
I have one and i am very happy. At the same time, software improvements on such a machine can make it improve even further and extend the satisfaction of owners for years. In my opinion, this device offers the best performances which are available on the market today.
My old trinity improved a lot with time - thanks to the people here trying hard to improve these devices!
By the way, I don't believe that Iphones are bad at all - simply they are like Apple PC: good for my mother and my wife - but i want to be at the frontline and contribute to it.
All the Best,

Let's make it clear iGO v8.3.1.57021 corrects the lag ! and many more improvments

pzucchel said:
Dear Kersh,
i don't understand what is real and what is speculation: which sound quality? which lag? which playback issues? which etc.etc.?
I have been driving with it on highways, city and walking my dog. I couldn't see any lag. If the diamond had a lag (i don't know) you should not extrapolate that the touch HD behaves in the same way. Please let me know of a conclusive and quantitative test you'd like to see and I'll try it out.
I have one and i am very happy. At the same time, software improvements on such a machine can make it improve even further and extend the satisfaction of owners for years. In my opinion, this device offers the best performances which are available on the market today.
My old trinity improved a lot with time - thanks to the people here trying hard to improve these devices!
By the way, I don't believe that Iphones are bad at all - simply they are like Apple PC: good for my mother and my wife - but i want to be at the frontline and contribute to it.
All the Best,
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Dear pzucchel,
as u mentioned in the second paragraph,would u be kind enough to do some simple test for the gps lag issue.can u drive at a speed of 80 to 100 km/h,when you physically reach a junction or an interchange ,where is the current location(i.e car icon or triangle) of your device showing? if its exactly parallel to the junction or interchange,than there is no lag..the difference between your physical location and your device location is the actual lag.Another simple test is when your car has physically turn into a junction,how long would the device take to show you are now driving on a new road and direction.and if you could be kind enough to specify what navigation program you used for the test..that will be wonderful.
Thanks in advance for your help

I've been looking forward to the touch hd for a bit now, and I still plan to get it. If there is anything i have learnt from these forums is how a lot of problems is software based.
Anyway, one main reason i'm getting it is that chance to have android on it when it gets ported on.

kersh said:
Others confirming that big gps lag exists, reviews included.
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It depends on the software you use.
I have tried Garmin XT and iGO 8.3.1 on my HTC Trinity.
The Garmin was always a little bit behind, where iGO was always on spot!
And guess what:
I have tried both on my Touch HD, and have exactly the same findings!

I too like Android OS on the cell phone. I have been trying to tolerate the Sammy i760 I am now using, but the HD and the Omnia 16gb both look good. I also am thinking of the Invidia Tegra 600 series as it WILL play at 30fps. Would this be the "one" to wait for? or is it in something and I don't know due to all the Dr's I have to see and travel too? Thanks, JASTECH
NVIDIA Tegra 650 also features:
• All-day media processing, for 130 hours audio, 30 hours HD video playback
• HD image processing for advanced digital still camera and HD camcorder functions
• Optimized hardware support for Web 2.0 applications for a true desktop-class internet
experience
• Display support for 1080p HDMI, WSXGA+ LCD and CRT, and NTSC/PAL TV-Out
• Direct support for WiFi, disk drives, keyboard, mouse, and other peripherals
Tegra 650
* Processor and Memory Subsystem
o ARM11 MPCore @ 800 MHz
o 16/32-bit LP-DDR
o NAND Flash support
* HD AVP (High Definition Audio Video Processor)
o 1080p H.264 decode
o 720p H.264 encode
o Supports multi-standard audio formats, including AAC, AMR, WMA, and MP3
o JPEG encode and decode acceleration
* ULP GeForce
o OpenGL ES 2.0
o Programmable pixel shader
o Programmable vertex and lighting
o Advanced 3D/2D graphics
* Imaging
o Up to 12 megapixel camera sensor support
o Integrated ISP
o Advanced imaging features
* Display Subsystem
o True dual-display support
o Maximum display resolutions supported:
+ 1080p (1920x1080) HDMI 1.3
+ WSXGA+ (1680x1050) LCD
+ SXGA (1280x1024) CRT
+ NTSC/PAL TV output

This phone is great!!

I had a Tytn II then a Touch Pro before switching to the Touch HD. I was VERY worried after reading all the negative issues raised on this forum:
1. poor screen brightness
2. unable to play movies well
3. GPS lag in tomtom
4. poor battery performance
5. on screen keyboard not great
All I can say is I've had the Touch HD for a week now and its FANTASTIC.
1. Screen brightness is very good. At least as good as the iThingy (the wife has one of those). Out the box the HD comes with brightness on auto so itsn't that bright.
2. I took 5 movies from my PC, all mpeg4 AVIs (no 720p or course) ,24fps,around 660x360 in resolution, bitrate around 1000kbps....not converted for a phone in anyway, as they were when I downloaded them. All but one played absolutely perfectly. Only one is very slightly jumpy but perfectly watchable (bitrate too high).
3. I use GPSGate so maybe that helps but I have zero lag on the GPS in tomtom. With the big screen it looks amazing. so much easier to read than on the Touch Pro.
4. For me, battery is better than the Touch Pro. I haven't tried watching endless videos yet but I get 2 days out of a battery using phone, a bit of GPS, some wifi, some mp3s.
5. keyboard isn't perfect but its ok. there are plenty of other better keyboards you can download.
So lets try and be a bit more positive guys
I accept its not the perfect phone but until the tegra chips and wm7 appear, its as good as it gets and I love it!

Yes i agree, this is the best (in my opinion) windows mobile out there.
I love the screen,
only problem i have is that alot of applications/games are not compatable with the display, but im sure there will be updates to run these apps soon

marcel where do you have the screen brightness set to?

Today I changed the brightness to maximum when on battery. I'll see how that goes over the weekend to see what effect it has on battery.
But I found the auto brightness fine. I'm in the UK so don't get a lot of chance to test it in bright sunshine

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1. Screen brightness is very good.
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Love the brightness and resolution, hate the viewing angle... Slightly off angle and it's very yellowish and unsharp, hence the IPhone and such look better in video's... Facing the screen however, it's awesome, a contender for any screen.
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4. For me, battery is better than the Touch Pro. I haven't tried watching endless videos yet but I get 2 days out of a battery using phone, a bit of GPS, some wifi, some mp3s.
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I never compared with the Pro, only the Diamond (yes much longer battery life, both bigger battery and good software optimization), but my power usage still drains the device pretty fast Regular usage easily gets me a couple of days though.
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5. keyboard isn't perfect but its ok. there are plenty of other better keyboards you can download.
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Just got TouchPal... The only non-hardware keyboard ever that really blew me away. I can type AT LEAST as fast on that as on my Blackberry Pearl, and that is a big statement.
TouchPal is 100% compatible with WVGA/Touch HD and even has a Diamond/HD/Pro skin.
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I accept its not the perfect phone but until the tegra chips and wm7 appear, its as good as it gets and I love it!
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Couldn't have said it better myself. The only thing that I got left on my wishlist (after having had Nokia, Samsung, Blackberry, several HTC's and an iPhone) as Windows Mobile 7 and the Tegra platform. WM7 looks very, very promising though. I hope it will be compatible with the HD, it's really totally different from the current WinMo interface.

xdaman85 said:
only problem i have is that alot of applications/games are not compatable with the display, but im sure there will be updates to run these apps soon
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According to the working programs post the list of apps that works is ten times longer than the apps that don't. Those few odd apps will be ported or upgraded quickly as this device is quite popular, IMHO.
+1 for enjoying an awesome device and not ragging on tiny little features.. no device is perfect and they will never make a perfect one, there's just so much more money in making nearly-perfect things

mlalahoi said:
According to the working programs post the list of apps that works is ten times longer than the apps that don't. Those few odd apps will be ported or upgraded quickly as this device is quite popular, IMHO.
+1 for enjoying an awesome device and not ragging on tiny little features.. no device is perfect and they will never make a perfect one, there's just so much more money in making nearly-perfect things
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Completly agree mate!
Shie-shie

I agree, it's an awesome phone, getting boring reading endless threads about tiny things that aren't perfect and iPhone comparisms.
Best phone I've ever had and used IMO.
P.S. If people love the iPhone so much why are they on a WM forum??

I'm glad this thread was created. I am sick of people slating this phone.
'The video playback isn't as good as my 40" HD panasonic tv' or 'it hasn't got a Dpad' or 'the screen isn't bright enough' or 'its got a gps lag'.
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This is the best touch phone on the market all things considered, and the best thing is with time it'll get better due to the nature of HTC and WM. I've had this phone for 4 days now and still can't put it down, not opnly does it run smooth but looks sooooo sleek and stylie. I've already posted this statement in another post but
let the haters hate and the doubters doubt, what they want is either in the past or i the future. HTC HD WHAT A GREAT DEVICE!

best mobile out there right now love it. I've had tytn11, iphone, diamond, blackberry storm but HD is simply the best. I did have my reservations, especially after reading alot of negative reviews including some opinions here but after few days playing around with it I'm very pleased.

Thinking of getting an HD, is it worth it?

I've been looking over and coveting the HD for quite a while now and wanted to get some input from those of you with time using the device. Is it worth it? I've read tons of reviews and watched a million videos of the device and really, I am in love with it. I just don't know if I can justify the $700+ pricetag and the fact that I am in the US and can't get 3G (Not to mention the fact that 3G doesn't exist in my community yet).
I also saw the Toshiba TG01 and I think that phone is amazing. Although the guy that does the reviews for it has some nasty fingernails.
I want the HD now, but with HTC projected to release some 1Ghz processor phones later this year I am thinking about holding out for one of those.
I am currently using a Mitac Mio A701 which has been good to me for the past 2 years, but I need an upgrade badly...
Any input you guys could give me would be Very much appreciated!
-LZ

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I've been looking over and coveting the HD for quite a while now and wanted to get some input from those of you with time using the device. Is it worth it? I've read tons of reviews and watched a million videos of the device and really, I am in love with it. I just don't know if I can justify the $700+ pricetag and the fact that I am in the US and can't get 3G (Not to mention the fact that 3G doesn't exist in my community yet).
I also saw the Toshiba TG01 and I think that phone is amazing. Although the guy that does the reviews for it has some nasty fingernails.
I want the HD now, but with HTC projected to release some 1Ghz processor phones later this year I am thinking about holding out for one of those.
I am currently using a Mitac Mio A701 which has been good to me for the past 2 years, but I need an upgrade badly...
Any input you guys could give me would be Very much appreciated!
-LZ
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Given the fact that you don't have 3G in your area I would strongly consider the HD. However since you seem like the type of guy/girl that doesn't buy a lot of PPC / PDAs it wouldn't be a bad idea to wait and see what is officially launched by HTC this year.
I personally like the HD. The huge draw back for me is the lack of 3G in the US. I'm in a strong HSDPA area and it was very hard to give up 3G. The screen size is well worth it though. The size difference between the Touch Pro (Raphael) is quite signifigant in my opinion. It's also nice to have everything bigger when you have big hands and big fingers. Lot easier to select what you want without having to pull out the stylus.
The screen is also very responsive for me. I also like the fact that HTC put a 3.5mm standard headphone jack on the HD. I use the headphones from my Zune on the HD and it works perfect.

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Given the fact that you don't have 3G in your area I would strongly consider the HD. However since you seem like the type of guy/girl that doesn't buy a lot of PPC / PDAs it wouldn't be a bad idea to wait and see what is officially launched by HTC this year.
I personally like the HD. The huge draw back for me is the lack of 3G in the US. I'm in a strong HSDPA area and it was very hard to give up 3G. The screen size is well worth it though. The size difference between the Touch Pro (Raphael) is quite signifigant in my opinion. It's also nice to have everything bigger when you have big hands and big fingers. Lot easier to select what you want without having to pull out the stylus.
The screen is also very responsive for me. I also like the fact that HTC put a 3.5mm standard headphone jack on the HD. I use the headphones from my Zune on the HD and it works perfect.
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One thing I didn't mention is I work for a university and they have wireless over the entire campus so that would be nice as a kind of replacement for 3G since a lot of my time is spent there. The screen size is something that really has attracted me. I tried using the iPhone for a day and only made it about 3 hours before I decided it was awful. Windows Mobile is my home, so the HD fit into the category of having a screen I was very attracted to. The 3.5mm audio jack is awesome too... I forgot about that.
Thanks for the input, I appreciate it!!!

I think Htc Touch HD is fit your most requirement.
of course Toshiba TG01 and Htc 1Ghz processor phone must be better. but the price will not be the same.
you'll never get a perfect machine because the perfect one is the next.
HD is a perfect phone for me, the size;the screen;the battery and the running speed..everything makes good performance.
I like it and I think I will not change it within 2 years.

just keep in mind that the major drawbacks of the hd are the slow and flash-less camera, the lack of good and working hardware-accelerated graphics drivers and the occasional stutters every now and then when you play music...
if those are not big issues for you, go for it

I recently upgraded from an Omnia to an HD and I'm so pleased! The camera on the HD is not nearly as good it seems but everything else about it is great.
Put it this way I've always been pleased with other smartphones/winmo phones I've owned, but I'm delighted with this.
The HD is to Phones as Casey Ryebeck is to cooking.

Three major points to take a decision :
- need or not windows mobile
- need or not a keyboard
- need or not a 3.5"+ size screen
If the answer is I want a pdaphone under winmo with a big size screen, and I do not need a keyboard, you will love the HD.
My previous love was a XDA Flame who was the only one in this category, during roughly 18 months.
Moreover, I have had a lot of pda or pdaphone under winmo from 3.5, and I cant tell that this one is most finished of all. HTC has made a good job.
And last but not least, even if HTC has made a good job, you can continue to have support of the XDA Devs to get even better rom.

crashDebug said:
just keep in mind that the major drawbacks of the hd are the slow and flash-less camera, the lack of good and working hardware-accelerated graphics drivers and the occasional stutters every now and then when you play music...
if those are not big issues for you, go for it
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They're software issues as far as I know... so in time I expect they'll be solved.
I think the HD is an amazing device. Of course there will be one out in the near future that will have a little more functionality. But I can't see many things that are necessary that the HD isn't capable of doing or emulating.

crashDebug said:
just keep in mind that the major drawbacks of the hd are the slow and flash-less camera, the lack of good and working hardware-accelerated graphics drivers and the occasional stutters every now and then when you play music...
if those are not big issues for you, go for it
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I just got my Touch HD yesterday. Wasn't sure if I wanted it because I love 3d speeds, but went with it anyways. I really, really, like this phone, way better than my ATT Tilt. It seems faster as just about everything, but internet, but browsing the web is not too much slower. For Youtube and stuff you just have to wait longer for the stream to start or use an Open WIFI.
What really makes me like this phone (so far), is the large screen and fast responce (most of the time).
However I have found a few problems, 1st I could not get it to talk to my PC. Tried on my laptop and worked. I had to un-install the Windows Mobile Device Center off my PC, then re-install from the inclosed CD. Worked perfect after that. Another problem isn't really the deviced fault, it is some programs I have from my old WM dont work well or at all on it. I also miss the real keyboard, but getting used to the touch only one (so over time will like it better).
The camera isn't that slow, at least on mine. It is better then the one the Tilt has all around. I have had no problems taking pictures with it so far, seems to work pretty fast for a device that has to focus before taking that is that small. Sure a real digital camera is faster, but they also are meant for taking pics only.

advice please

hi all, im relativly new to all this having had an n95 for the last year or so.
I have the choice of the samsung omnia white 8gb or the htc touch hd. With the omnia ill be on a 12 month contract, with the hd an 18.
Anywya, its driving me insane trying to decide, so id appreciate any advice you could offer.
the way im looking at it at th emoment, i like the fact that the omnia has a flash, built in memory and seems to be faster (reading on here there seems to be a driver issue with the hd).
The worrys i have about the hd are the driver situation(reading on here people seem to have delay issues with tomtom and i use gps quite alot, and weather without the device will be powerfull enough to run heavier apps and the lack of a flash and inbuilt memory.
However, what i love about the hd are the community you guys have. Looking at the forum (i may be totally wrong) but itlooks like you guys are not far away from getting android working on it, which would be cool as. Also, i like the way you can use the features from the other phones such as touchwiz and the xperia squares thingy.
Anywya, i dont know much atall having used symbian for the last 6 years or so , so please give me your honest advice.

Everyone looks at their phones differently.
It is decision that others can't make for you.
Evaluated the facts and make a choice.
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tkalli said:
Everyone looks at their phones differently.
It is decision that others can't make for you.
Evaluated the facts and make a choice.
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Couldn't have put it better!!
Only you know what you are looking for in a phone. Look at both specs, read up on both of them and evaluate which one is best for you.
Both have pros & cons, but you are right, xda developers is an awesome community to be part of and the tweaking & roms available are of great use!!

Is there likley to be any resolution to the driver situation. Im hoping that with the release of the magic mabey we will also have android running perfectly on the touch hd.
But then if i go for the omnia, its only 12 months i have to stay and i get the flash camera.
The omnia techinically looks just as powerfull as the hd touch, but with a lesser community of devs.
Grrr, descisions descisions!

ricflairandy said:
Is there likley to be any resolution to the driver situation. Im hoping that with the release of the magic mabey we will also have android running perfectly on the touch hd.
But then if i go for the omnia, its only 12 months i have to stay and i get the flash camera.
The omnia techinically looks just as powerfull as the hd touch, but with a lesser community of devs.
Grrr, descisions descisions!
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Camera on the Omnia is superior to the HD's, but I don't really use the camera function as I have a 10MP camera anyhow. I stated before, it all depends on your usage. If your looking for an Android phone, there is other options out there as Android on the HD appears to still be a long way off!

thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?

ricflairandy said:
thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?
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What you could do, which is a bit risky, is trial them both, i.e. get the HD and try it out for a couple days then return it saying you aren't happy, then get the Omnia and do the same thing. If you prefer the Omnia, just keep it etc

I had an Omnia for a few days and returned it as soon as possible for a Touch Pro (now have HD).
Omnia was rubbish, screen is poor, especially in sun light. The Op/sys was extremely unreliable - they've probably fixed this by now. There is no stylus except on a string and the interface is just a simple overlay on top of windows (bit like TF3D) so you need a stylus. Sound was excellent, camera was OK but I'm not a big photo maker with PDA.
The sensitivity of the Omnia acceleration detector is either too sensitive or not enough, I was not able to get it right. The touch screen sensitivity is poor - it needs a hard tap to make things happen.
What else? memory was not so big as on HD, screen resolution is not as good as HD, HD is just way way better.
BUT, it's a personal choice. However, I would highly recommend waiting for the new Omnia now and not buying the old one.

how do you find theHD though? In videos i have seen it seems to stutter alot and lag.

mmm
I got the touch HD , as I fell in love with the Orginal Touch .. I use PC's alott and starsted getting thumb strain with Nokia phone .. so went to the Touch .. loved this .. then went to the HD ... bigger screen etc.. I love it .. what It cant do .. is not worth it ..

i had the same dilema myself and i ended with the HD
if you want a brilliant display, cool factor and xda community go with the HD
if you want a decent camera, snappy interface, huge memory and avi movies with no conversion go with omnia
all other things are more or less the same and more or less acceptable
good luck!

thanks alot guys

ricflairandy said:
thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?
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I got the HD, my wife the omnia.
The HD has a much, much!, better screen. I don't see much difference between the camera's (except for the flash I suppose, but I don't think she ever used it).
As for GPS:
We tried it, driving with both telephones running Garmin software.
I didn't see any difference, the voice directions came mostly simultanious or at most within tenth of seconds from each other and to be honest, I have no idea if the omnia or the HD was the echo
No way I would ever want to swap my HD for her omnia

HappyLlama said:
I got the HD, my wife the omnia.
The HD has a much, much!, better screen. I don't see much difference between the camera's (except for the flash I suppose, but I don't think she ever used it).
As for GPS:
We tried it, driving with both telephones running Garmin software.
I didn't see any difference, the voice directions came mostly simultanious or at most within tenth of seconds from each other and to be honest, I have no idea if the omnia or the HD was the echo
No way I would ever want to swap my HD for her omnia
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what about playing movies. It seems the touch hd with the lack of hardware drives is sluggish in comparrison

ricflairandy said:
how do you find theHD though? In videos i have seen it seems to stutter alot and lag.
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I don't use videos much but I do use the youtube application and it's fine, I never get a stutter.
It probably depends on the coding/format being used.

Cheesy Dave said:
I don't use videos much but I do use the youtube application and it's fine, I never get a stutter.
It probably depends on the coding/format being used.
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Agreed, don't use videos, but I do find it annoying that when playing music you get an occasional stutter/blip with no apparent fix yet!!
How do you find the data charges when using youtube a lot?

cheers guys, orderd the omnia now in white.
thanks

Someone found the right thing to do with an omnia:
http://www.wmexperts.com/torture-phone-heaven-blogger
As to data charges for YouTube, I use this over wifi and not GPRS so I use it for free!

I get no noticeable GPS lag in either TomTom or Google Maps.

How good is the Leo?

Hey guys, just sold one of my TG01's and was thinking of what new phone to get. I've been thinking about the Leo, but im not 100% sure yet, how are you guys liking it or disliking it?
any other phones you guys suggest?

well
From my point of view it is the best WinMo phone out there. It does have its issues but they are more from a perspective of it could be done better and does not compare to other competing phones.
The iPhone is also a great phone but a different audience. I personally would/do get frustrated with a iPhone but would easily buy one for my wife.
In every aspect the HD2 tops every other phone and once you get it in your hands you will love it. My battery usage suxs as I can't help picking it up and playing with it. It spends more time being fondled than actually making calls
Video playback is a dream. Screen is great to use and its big but you don't even notice it in your pocket.
5 stars from me.

It's a spectacular handset a far as i'm concerned. Obviously some people have experienced bugs and so they'll have a different perspective, but so far my experience is overwhelmingly positive. I came from a kaiser, and the performance feels like a huge leap. Full desktop-page web browsing is astounding - but maybe those coming from more recent phones wont be so blown away. I just can't believe how quickly it renders desktop content, how smooth the scrolling is, and how readable it all is even at quite a low zoom level.
The handset really is a joy to use. In the past i've had issues with winmo forgetting wireless network keys etc. - no such misfortune here. It's storing 2 or three and switching between them as i move around the building with no hiccups at all. Battery life feels better with wireless on too, but i have not measured this empirically.
I would prefer more apps to auto rotate out of the box, but there are already posts around the net (probably here too although i haven't looked) about easily brining in this sort of tweak. That's the reason you get a phone with this sort of platform really - the flexibility it affords you. The experience is completely customisable, although that said, it's pretty damn fantastic straight out of the box

Leo is the best wm ppc out there right now! Of course all the good scoops are in the threads in the Leo section...

Great phone, best PPC without a doubt.
Certainly not topping every other phone in every aspect, as one person above suggests, but very good.

One line summary of the HD 2: A rough diamond waiting to be polished.
Either wait until Custom ROMS are avaliable or just get a DROID / Milestone

If you like WinMo, Leo's the best WinMo handset at teh moment. Probably you will have to figure out what you really expect from a handset.
Btw, Milestone yuck! Just sayin'

I heard on two main issues:
1. Pink tint on the pictures (is it fixed yet)?
2. WinMo typical slow downs over time. Lags, etc, even on the Sense UI level. Is it true?
How does it compare to units like HTC Pro for instance in terms of smootheness and lags?

I have leo for two days and I can say att the device is lovely,is big but dont take any place when i put them in my jeans pocket,the touch screen is the best one ever,but is some annoyings bugs in them,wait for a uppdate of the rom for to by or try to fix,I wil tell you some of them in my device:
-audio manager crash after 45 sec to play a song with my memory card(sanddisk16gb)
-pink color in album with the camera pictures
-when you take a picture the music stop and you need to go to the player and start again to play the song
-bluetooth sound is like a AM radio and the volume can´t be controlled(SE HBH-IS800)
-dont play the almost video format
-maybe is coming something more in the way
my previous device:Xperia x1 and many many others

Amator72 said:
I heard on two main issues:
1. Pink tint on the pictures (is it fixed yet)?
2. WinMo typical slow downs over time. Lags, etc, even on the Sense UI level. Is it true?
How does it compare to units like HTC Pro for instance in terms of smootheness and lags?
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1. Haven't made many pictures yet but I know I don't have to expect much from the HTC camera's unfortunately. Was the same on the HTC Touch Pro. It's really a shame they don't put better camera modules in their phones but ok... The pink tint IS an issue appearantly and doesn't seem to be fixed yet.
2. Haven't noticed any slowdowns like this... There is the occasional hickup
but they seem to be caused more by a certain application or part of the sense software then by windows mobile.
Compared to the HTC Touch Pro and Omnia Qwerty Pro (B7610) it's fast. I really notice a difference opening apps, going through files, going through settings, etc.
Browsing is a dream, much faster then on the HTC Touch Pro and B7610 as well. It seems my connection is better but also the cpu makes a difference. And then there's the huge screen, REALLY helps a lot.
Same goes for playing videos. Again the screen and cpu make it such a delight. Videos unable to play on the Touch Pro and B7610 play very smoothly on the HD2.
They onscreen keyboard was a problem for me in the beginning, I had a really hard time typing even one word correctly. Now with the firmware update this seems mostly fixed. I still miss keys every now and then (I don't use XT9 correction) but I find typing to be much easier now. Coming from phones with hardware keyboards this was one of the main issues for me, how would it be without a hardware keyboard, but again the screensize makes this very doable.
All in all I'm loving the phone so far...

ivo34 said:
I have leo for two days and I can say att the device is lovely,is big but dont take any place when i put them in my jeans pocket,the touch screen is the best one ever,but is some annoyings bugs in them,wait for a uppdate of the rom for to by or try to fix,I wil tell you some of them in my device:
-audio manager crash after 45 sec to play a song with my memory
card(sanddisk16gb)
-pink color in album with the camera pictures
-when you take a picture the music stop and you need to go to the player and start again to play the song
-bluetooth sound is like a AM radio and the volume can´t be controlled(SE HBH-IS800)
-dont play the almost video format
-maybe is coming something more in the way
my previous device:Xperia x1 and many many others
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About the audioplayer 45 second crash. No problems here, is this always the case for you? I use pocketplayer most of the time though, no problems listening to music 2hrs continuously (in the train).
I heard the audio player also stops/pauses/causes problems when the device goes into sleep mode. Something I had on my HTC pro (and believe samsung) as well. Pocketplayer solves this as well...
Have the SE HBH DS-980 bluetooth headset myself and no problems, heard other complaints about the sound quality (and some fix which I haven't tried yet) so perhaps my standards are very low. Pausing, volume, etc controls are working just fine though...
Also no problems with video (formats) playback, again might be due to pocketplayer because the default media player is kinda limited indeed.

dagrim1 said:
About the audioplayer 45 second crash. No problems here, is this always the case for you? I use pocketplayer most of the time though, no problems listening to music 2hrs continuously (in the train).
I heard the audio player also stops/pauses/causes problems when the device goes into sleep mode. Something I had on my HTC pro (and believe samsung) as well. Pocketplayer solves this as well...
Have the SE HBH DS-980 bluetooth headset myself and no problems, heard other complaints about the sound quality (and some fix which I haven't tried yet) so perhaps my standards are very low. Pausing, volume, etc controls are working just fine though...
Also no problems with video (formats) playback, again might be due to pocketplayer because the default media player is kinda limited indeed.
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I use core player and nitrogen,core player works well,also the volume control,nitrogen works but can not control the volume,,I tested with another bluetooth headsets and is the same, and audio manager is continuous crashing,I did hardreset 2 times,the audio quality I fixed whit this thread below,only use decimal:320 instead 256
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4960404&postcount=119

when will the custom roms be avail? anytime soon? anyone know?

Coming from a SEX1, I find this phone to be a huge sigh of relieve. I love it, it's fast. Reception is extremely good.
Camera might be better IMO, personally I don't experience the pink hue, but when taking pictures and watching them on pc I find they aren't good quality at all.Maybe fiddling around with settings would do the trick, but I'm illiterate when it comes to camera settings.
As I said, I love the phone. Pretty sure, you'll fall in love with it.

Its Awesome
Compared to other WinMo phones I have ha I can tell you that the Leo is awesome. The screen is a real winner, yet the overall size is far more comfotable that the hermes or Kaiser that I had before. The sense interface features are stunning. I am extremely happy with my purchase and waiting for the chefs to start tweaking the ROM...

I've owned the TyTN I, TyTn II, SEX1, Palm Pro, etc and the Leo/HD2 is the best WM device by a large margin. One area people may not have mentioned is the great battery life - the best I have seen in a WM device, especially given the size of the screen and the CPU speed.

elite-fusion said:
when will the custom roms be avail? anytime soon? anyone know?
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Cutom roms are ready for cooking but the HardSPL needs to be completed yet before they can be flashed to peoples phones and I havent heard much information on that yet.

HTC Herald > HTC TouchPro > Samsung Omnia > HTC HD2 <--- The best of all. Of course has issues as all phones, but its speed and responsiveness blacks them out.

whats faster guys, the HD2 or the TG01, anyone knows? i had the TG01 actually had 2, sold one, and using one for the time being, they are both TG01 and HD2 1ghz, but which one is faster (software wise i guess)

One of the biggests facts making me like the hd2 is the fact is has a capicative screen, so much more responsive, no more getting your stylus of using your fingernail to get things done. Just a very slight touch