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Touch HD vs. Xperia - A non-professional view

The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile. That alone should determine your choice... but considering you want to go into depth:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
2. When it comes to Screen, though both have the same resolution, Touch HD gives you a bigger display with its 3.8 inch screen over the 3 inch Xperia screen.
3. In regard to camera, the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia. However, if one thing Sony Ericsson knows best, it is its Camera... so i can pretty much say that Xperia's 3.2 MP camera would be enough to take on the Touch HD 5 MP camera. Video recording is in both, and most likely Touch HD will match the recording capabilties in terms of resolution with Xperia - but again Camera quality of Sony is expected to be better. Both devices have Touch Focus as well... but one other thing to note is that Touch HD has no camera flash!
4. Main interface - Touch Flo 3d is superb looking. But Xperia Panels are not behind. Though Touch Flo 3D is shiny and extremely attractive, it lacks big time in customization. With Panels, customization is the key... and with time as developers start releasing new panels, we will probably see some really awesome stuff in terms of functionaity as well looks. Not to mention, the way you switch panel mode (fan, side-by-side, etc.) is nothing short. So if you are one who loves to have the possibility of as much customization as possible, like me, then Xperia wins here. And in my opinion, in terms of functionality and extendibility Xperia again wins here.
5. Battery - Xperia carries a bigger battery than Touch HD. Though how much time each will provide, we can't say for sure at this point...
6. Manufacturer - HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device.
7. 3G Reception - Foo, a senior member here at XDA Developers has brought to my attention that Touch Pro suffers from poor 3G reception but another member says that this is not the case and that he doesn't face any such problems on his Pro. Considering that HTC has improved Touch HD in various aspects over the pro - bigger screen, higher resolution, better sensitivity to the touch screen, more powerful camera and so on - we will just have to wait and see if the 3G reception in Touch HD is better than Pro or not. As for Xperia, we'll have to wait and confirm for that when it releases.
8. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch HD!
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch HD, but none too major to consider here. (i leaved keyboard out of this as i already put that forward in the first question i asked at the start of this post).
Conclusion: From where I sit, Xperia is a winner with its sexy look (c'mon. it. is. steel!), fully customizable interface (panels), more RAM, Flash on the camera, full stylish qwerty keyboard, and more.
Hope this helps...
And if anyone feels like it, then add to the list anything you want.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.

You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.

sproxy said:
You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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Yes, i did point that tout in the post above... but HTC had more to do with the hardware from a Win Mo point of view... the Camera is something that SE obviously didn't need help from HTC on.
As for actual comparison of picture quality... we'll know for sure in a few days as to how good Xperia's camera actually is. (one picture over at the Xperiancers blog shows it to be really good)!

msalmank said:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246

borce_razor said:
Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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This information is outdated. SE increased the RAM in the meanwhile (most likely due to performance issues) up to 384 MByte RAM which is about 100 MByte more then Touch HD has.
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.

foo said:
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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The reason i did the comparison was because both devices have been compared/questioned side-by-side on various forums now. And i did mention, before making a comparison, that: "The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile."

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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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As Foo already pointed out, that page is out-dated. You can do a search in Google on Xperia and 384 MB RAM and you will get tons of news items and blog posts announcing that change in the hardware from a couple of weeks back.

holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!

nap007 said:
holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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One is comparing Touch HD and the other Touch Pro against Xperia...

Here's another compare http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1469&id2=1117. Still HD is my favourite

As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.

Black93300ZX said:
As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
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I'm afraid you should first confirm things yourself. Xperiancers is a blog by SE and here is a quote from their latest blog entry: "The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram"
(if you'd like to see: http://xperiancers.com/ - Name of post is 'Your Xperia Questions Answered')
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Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
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Dude... it's my opinion, if you don't agree then don't, but call me biased at my own expense. I clearly stated that 'the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia', and i am sure many will agree that SE's cameras are one of the best in mobile devices... but i did not declare Xperia a winner over Touch HD but only implied that in my opinion Xperia'll be better. Furthermore - take into account that Touch HD lacks a flash for the camera, it will not perform up to par in certain conditions.
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Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
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Again... user based experience. Another member here mentioned that he faced 3G reception problems, and i put that in. You say it doesn't, i'll put that in as well.
Black93300ZX said:
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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Dude! did you even read what i wrote? I wrote it clear: "HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device."
HTC manufactured Xperia, but it is a SE device and they are the ones who are bringing it out.

i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!

netnerd said:
i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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I'm afraid to add this to the comparison... someone might say something...
I was not aware of this... Maybe they'll add it in the end? or is it confirmed?

I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!

Nyberg said:
I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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TOUCH HD

The comment about the camera is correct. For printing up to A4, anything over 3mp is usually massively outweighed by the lens opening and quality. Small opening ... small amounts of light - causes issues regardless of the CCD or CMOS. It is also correct to suggest that the SE devices have a history of being closer to compact cameras in quality than the toy town stuff you usually get from HTC (I've had loads of HTC devices and love them but the cameras are of little practical use). The other thing worth saying that the X1 will shoot 640x480 video and 30fps like the Nokia E90 and N95. The quality of video of the latter two is almost up to the Hi-8 camcorders (if in good light) which makes them a genuinely useful camcorder alternative. The HD (and all native HTC devices) are still QVGA and the video looks rubbish even on a 2" window on a PC. This should be a huge plus for the X1.
My concerns about the X1 relate to the likely hood that SE won't support and develop the platform. There are many rumours about the Sony and Ericcson relationship as well as the SE / HTC one. Also, Sony will not commit to any future WM devices - infact, it seems they are completely non committal about future OS - UIQ, Android, WM etc. When you look at the P1 issues ... never resolved even after a huge backlash by customers ... it's not promising.
The X1 performance / tuning also worries me. It was announced that there were gfx / video perf issues with 30fps playback very shortly before the release date. They didn't answer any real questions in their pathetic webcast either ... I think there will be fairly horrible issues initially and worry they won't fix them. The added RAM so late in the day may sound positive ... but it shows they don't really know what they are doing. They will have added it because performance was too slow. Do remember that that amount of RAM with WVGA will really cane the battery - a negative which people aren't really considering.
I worry also about the keyboard ... I guess we will have to wait for the first purchasers to confirm either way. These things are enough to stop me pre-ordering when 3 months ago it was a definite purchase for me.
The HD has no keyboard ... I might be able to live without. The problem is more with the lack of button controls. Again, we know very little about it. I would hope HTC would include some kind of soft dpad with dynamic scaling which would allow apps to run VGA on top of the extra screen estate which would have the soft buttons / dpad. If they don't do this, I am very concerned about real day to day use. If they do deliver such a soft key set, then I think it would be almost perfect as long as something else is not missing - like TV-Out ... strangely not detailed ... even though some sites suggest in the spec it is there. The only massive irritation for me is the camera - no flash and no VGA 30fps capture on something this expensive. I was hoping to replace my TyTNII and N95 8GB with a single device .... and it looks like I will still need two - seems like a stupid oversight for such an expensive device. The 3.8" screen may still sway me though. I don't need tiny like lots of people ... as long as I have a decent belt case.
Paul.

two very different devices targeted at different markets, daft trying do a compare on them as one is more of high usage business device the other a low usage media device.
Business or personal
So out of these two, if i wanted a phone to do work on with occasional media usage, id go for the X1, if i wanted something that looked swanky and was a good phone but ultimately a low work usage device then the HD would be it, course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated

dazza9075 said:
course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.

netnerd said:
huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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Oh my god... Did you seriously just say a big issue when making a business oriented phone is having a big screen? That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard. In that case, the Touch HD will be purely for business, because the entire phone is just one huge screen. Big screens = multimedia use... iPhone, Touch HD? I don't think I've ever seen a businessman complain "oh man this screen is too small", if that were the case all businesses would have 42" LCD monitors for their computers.

Omnia vs. HD?

Sorry if I post this in the wrong place but I just have to ask!
I also posted a similar thread over in the Touch Pro forum, but I want your opinions as well sense you are already using the HD!
I have today the Touch Pro, but I am considering to buy a new device becouse of the GPS lag and poor video performance!
I am tired of bringing several devices with me every time I want to go somewhere just becouse my EXPENCIVE HTC device cant do what it is supposed to do!
I am looking for a device that can play videos smoothly, no gps lag and of course I want to be able to take good pictures without having to worry about blured out photos as much as I do on my device!
Lets face it, I have had alot of HTC Devices over the years and it´s always something thats wrong with them!
I am keeping my TP in case something changes in the future, but for now I do feal that I have to get myself another device that is working properly!
Now my choice is betweek the HD and samsund Omnia!
Do you guys have any experience about the omnia vs HD?
Or do you reccoment another device that is in your opinion even better?
Thank you all in advance!

Well for video performance, as long as you install the right software then the Touch Pro, Omnia and HD will all do a great job. The Omnia and HD have the bigger screen so they'll be nicer to watch.
I personally can't confirm as my HD hasn't arrived yet but apparently there is still GPS lag in the HD as it uses the same CPU and GPS chip as the Touch Pro.
Does the Omnia have GPS? If so, try an Omnia forum and ask about lag there. It might be the one for you (with the nice 16Gb internal storage!)

Oppressa said:
Well for video performance, as long as you install the right software then the Touch Pro, Omnia and HD will all do a great job. The Omnia and HD have the bigger screen so they'll be nicer to watch.
I personally can't confirm as my HD hasn't arrived yet but apparently there is still GPS lag in the HD as it uses the same CPU and GPS chip as the Touch Pro.
Does the Omnia have GPS? If so, try an Omnia forum and ask about lag there. It might be the one for you (with the nice 16Gb internal storage!)
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Yes Omnia has GPS, but the question is where do I find an Omnia forum?
Thanks!

The QVGA and small screen puts me off.
However, I wish the Korean Omnia (T*Omnia) is available. It has the same resolution as Touch HD although still a small 3.3 inch screen. It has a television tuner, although I'm not sure if the tuner (T-DMB) works outside korea. It has flash for the camera too.
T*Omnia stirs my interest a lot. The question is whether and when Samsung will sell it outside Korea.
Someone mention he would try to get it from Korea, but I'm not sure if an English ROM is available.

It's 3.2 on the Omnia. Since when is 3.2 small? So 3.2 is small and I guess 3.8 is large?...

I have both and the HD outclasses the Omnia in virtually every respect ...other than the camera (and the Omnia's isn't that good) and the accelerometer (which has been disabled HTC in most applications out of the box). The HD is so slick that the faster processor in the Omnia isn't noticable and the mega-sensitive touch screen makes using the HD a comparative breeze (I've come from a Hermes so any other touch screen has to be an improvement), also the HD ships with an 8GB memory card.
Perhaps one other thing that the Omnia my have over the HD - the Omnia's got a lanyard hole!!
...gave the Omnia to my wife before you ask to buy it!

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I have both and the HD outclasses the Omnia in virtually every respect ...other than the camera (and the Omnia's isn't that good) and the accelerometer (which has been disabled HTC in most applications out of the box). The HD is so slick that the faster processor in the Omnia isn't noticable and the mega-sensitive touch screen makes using the HD a comparative breeze (I've come from a Hermes so any other touch screen has to be an improvement), also the HD ships with an 8GB memory card.
Perhaps one other thing that the Omnia my have over the HD - the Omnia's got a lanyard hole!!
...gave the Omnia to my wife before you ask to buy it!
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Okey so let me get this straight!
Does the Omnia also have the GPS lag, or are you saying that HD does not have the lag?
Also, I read in this forum that the video playback is a no go without conversion on HD, is it the same on Omnia or can it play videos smooth out of the box without conversion?
I am a little confused right now!
Thanks!

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Okey so let me get this straight!
Does the Omnia also have the GPS lag, or are you saying that HD does not have the lag?
Also, I read in this forum that the video playback is a no go without conversion on HD, is it the same on Omnia or can it play videos smooth out of the box without conversion?
I am a little confused right now!
Thanks!
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Since omnia has intelxscale technology it is fully supported by coreplayer 1.2.5. I've been testing it thoroughly and I can assure you it plays videos smoothly like your pc. (180% 200% in coreplayer's test)
The only thing that made me sell my omnia was the smaller and lower resolution screen
3.2" WQVGA (240x400) vs 3.8" WVGA (480x800)
but in video performance, touch hd sucks with coreplayer due to no hardware support and be advices this issue hasn't been resolved with HTC for 2 years now (the same goes for other devices as well).

mkMoSs said:
but in video performance, touch hd sucks with coreplayer due to no hardware support and be advices this issue hasn't been resolved with HTC for 2 years now (the same goes for other devices as well).
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You must be using a different device to me mate. Video playback is smooth with core player and everyother player i've used! Infact its the best i've ever seen on a mobile device!!!!! This question Omnia v HD is sooooo simple. If you want a smaller screen then you need the omnia, other wise it has to be the HD, it is simply the best device on the market!!!

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You must be using a different device to me mate. Video playback is smooth with core player and everyother player i've used! Infact its the best i've ever seen on a mobile device!!!!! This question Omnia v HD is sooooo simple. If you want a smaller screen then you need the omnia, other wise it has to be the HD, it is simply the best device on the market!!!
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I so agree with this... I've never been as blown away about video experience on a phone as with my HD... And note I say "experience" which is not just performance, but instead the whole picture. Huge screen, superb sharpness (which goes a long way in making all the difference between even the Korean Omnia and the HD) and any DivX I throw at it runs like a breeze.
Of course I don't use 4GB files to watch my movies, I am one of those old fashioned people who still think that 800MB files provide more than enough detail for a phone screen. If you are one of those people who think they can clearly discern between 800MB and 1,5GB files on a mobile device and feel that 800MB looks totally crappy, don't listen to me

Edit: Forget this post, it was nonsense based on a total lapse of reason on my part
But to make a more useful comment: I will always prefer the HD interface over the Panels thing.

Never liked that dangling stylus on the omnia - a bit of a girly thing

branko.savic said:
Sorry if I post this in the wrong place but I just have to ask!
I also posted a similar thread over in the Touch Pro forum, but I want your opinions as well sense you are already using the HD!
I have today the Touch Pro, but I am considering to buy a new device becouse of the GPS lag and poor video performance!
I am tired of bringing several devices with me every time I want to go somewhere just becouse my EXPENCIVE HTC device cant do what it is supposed to do!
I am looking for a device that can play videos smoothly, no gps lag and of course I want to be able to take good pictures without having to worry about blured out photos as much as I do on my device!
Lets face it, I have had alot of HTC Devices over the years and it´s always something thats wrong with them!
I am keeping my TP in case something changes in the future, but for now I do feal that I have to get myself another device that is working properly!
Now my choice is betweek the HD and samsund Omnia!
Do you guys have any experience about the omnia vs HD?
Or do you reccoment another device that is in your opinion even better?
Thank you all in advance!
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I have come from the Omnia to the HD and I find the HD a much better device for me, so far I have not expierenced the GPS lag that is being mentioed a lot, i use iGO8 without any issues.
I have also watched 3 divx movies on the HD using coreplayed, again without any issues.
The camera is the standard HTC fare, it is good in ideal conditions and as I have said before it is only the fact that it is 5MP that makes it good, the Omnia camera is the best PDA phone camera I have ever used.
The HD has a built in stylus and not a "phone charm" dangling thing like the Omnia.
hope this helps

I have to disagree with the above commnets. I just got My HD yesterday from Orange. And I haven't installed any additional applications apart from coreplayer. I've tried running an episode of House 350mb divx/xvid file. And there isn't that much action in this program but I still get dithering/slow running. Also got a couple of movies on the card same format approx 715mb and again it doesn't run as nicely as I would have expected it to or have seen it to play (as the video on Youtube shows)
Any Suggestions???
I practically only got the phone for the nice big screen and so I can play videos on it. Not really bothered about a GPS lag.

Memory Card?
I've heard that the encoding of the program can cause it to stutter (in one of the many reviews I've read!) though it could also be the memory card you're using. Make sure its a decent class so that the read spead won't cause any issues.

For the people who think this device playbacks well on videos maybe you should do a little bit of search in this forum first...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444494
kersh did some tests, none of the videos performed 100% (which means minimum acceptable playback speed)
For people not so demanding on video playback performance this might not be an issue, but as I said in other posts this as an advertised multimedia device is expected to perform excellent which is NOT...

I haven't noticed any extraordinary GPS lag compared to other devices using iGo8 (there's some little lag but it's natural as the GPS receiver is polled at certain intervals, which should be compensated by software "magic"). I also tried two external GPS receivers, one based on SiRF III, another one based on MTK, and haven't found any difference in this regard.
Video playback on HD is quite tolerable and I seriously doubt it'll match that of powerful Marvel-based devices, but that's the limitation of the Qualcomm architecture. In addition to a weaker processor, the device also has higher resolution which adds to the problem. Omnia's performance is vastly superior, not just in video. I don't know whether the HD's hardware accelerator is or will be used and whether this will help. That being said, you can watch movies on this device, it's not a 200MHz Touch or something. In some movies you'll notice occasional frame skips, in others it's quite smooth, but you aren't trying to substitute your big screen plasma with this, are you?
If these are the two applications you use the devices for, Omnia could make sense. However, the screen there is awful. Low resolution makes web surfing quite painful, in the overview mode you can't read fonts at all. Also, esthetically, the pixels are huge and very visible, which makes using the device much less fun. This turned me off completely.

Jigzuk said:
I have to disagree with the above commnets. I just got My HD yesterday from Orange. And I haven't installed any additional applications apart from coreplayer. I've tried running an episode of House 350mb divx/xvid file. And there isn't that much action in this program but I still get dithering/slow running. Also got a couple of movies on the card same format approx 715mb and again it doesn't run as nicely as I would have expected it to or have seen it to play (as the video on Youtube shows)
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I practically only got the phone for the nice big screen and so I can play videos on it. Not really bothered about a GPS lag.
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i don't understand how you can disagree with my comments when they are my experiences with my device, anyway am not sure why you are experiencing stuttering and lags, but I have not had any so far, I have watched 3 700~mb divx movies and so far so good.

kao123 said:
i don't understand how you can disagree with my comments when they are my experiences with my device, anyway am not sure why you are experiencing stuttering and lags, but I have not had any so far, I have watched 3 700~mb divx movies and so far so good.
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Just the fact that a movie is a 700MB divx doesn't mean much, they are quite different in terms of performance. In my experience, some play OK to fine, others skip frames visibly in dynamic scenes. It's nowhere close to even 416MHz Intel/Marvel devices, let alone the 600+MHz Omnia.

Purchased Omnia!
Okey, so I decided to buy the Omnia even if most of you voted for the HD!
Boy am I glad I did that!
I have spent almost this whole day testing the device, the first thing I tested was to copy a 1.2 gb Xvid movie to it, it played out of the box with it´s built in touch player so I did not even have to install CorePlayer! And do I even have to mention that it did not lag/stutter even once watching the whole movie, with alot of action scenes!
Then I installed TomTom 7 and BeeLine GPS and went out for a walk!
Testing BeelineGPS while walking was a whole different experience then with my Touch Pro, the compas view rotated and adjusted it´s position with every step I took! (With Touch Pro it only updated every 10 to 20 meters!) What a difference!
TomTom performed just as well, it followed my car exactly even in high speed!
And it is alot snappier then my Touch Pro even tho it has less ram! Rotating screen is an instant and overall performance is way better then the TP!
Bare in mind that I have installed custom speedy rom in my TP, and the Omnia is all original! Now imagine what this device can do with a custom rom!
I dont know about you, but I can just say that I dont believe I made a misstake with this device, but I have to keep testing it a bit more, just had it one day so far!

Browsing experience....

My biggest concern, having followed the video performance thread here, is with the Opera experience. I've been using Opera 9.5 on my trusty Loox N560 (with a WM6 ROM) for a while.
The results on the VGA of this 4(+?) year old device are passable but the lag between a page loading and the screen rendering is quite painful as the page resolves from a series of grey boxes over about 10 seconds.
I want to present web work to clients on the HD and if the Opera experience still suffers like this it could be a problem for me.
Anyone with device in hand care to comment.
Many thanks!

There is still a lag on some large webpages with the grey squares. This does like i said depend on the size of the webpage and also the speed of your connection.
However i find the browsing experience a real treat on the HD.

Mark One said:
My biggest concern, having followed the video performance thread here, is with the Opera experience. I've been using Opera 9.5 on my trusty Loox N560 (with a WM6 ROM) for a while.
The results on the VGA of this 4(+?) year old device are passable but the lag between a page loading and the screen rendering is quite painful as the page resolves from a series of grey boxes over about 10 seconds.
I want to present web work to clients on the HD and if the Opera experience still suffers like this it could be a problem for me.
Anyone with device in hand care to comment.
Many thanks!
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Sorry, can't answer your request but:-
Ahhh the Loox N560.... what a lovely machine.
If you used to frequent FirstLoox you would have known my Father, he was one of the Mods.
Beards

Ahh - yes - beautiful 3.5 inch 640x480 screen, 624Mhz xscale processor, 193MB on board with wifi, BT & GPS. And a 3.5mm jack.
No phone of course, but the specs don't look bad even today. Which is why I've kept it going for so long.
Until the HD - which I thought was the answer to my dreams.
However, yet again it seems HTC have gone and shot a beautiful concept in the foot - I can't believe the video driver is an issue again - time to revive that class action suit?
If it's anywhere as bad as my polaris it's a deal breaker for me.

It's certianly a little laggy, especially with complex or rich websites. No deal breaker as long as you set your expectations.
Remember the HD has a bigger res and a slower CPU than your current phone.

A slower processor than a 3 year old PDA? That's not so great now is it...

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A slower processor than a 3 year old PDA? That's not so great now is it...
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I've still got my Pocket Loox 720 (over 3yrs old) and it still works like a dream.
520 MHz CPU
VGA 640 x 480 pixel resolution
Both CF & SC card slots
3.5" speaker
Wifi
Bluetooth
Surfstar III Compactflash GPS
Excellent for playing movies (especially over my home network in the garden).
These older machines can still fly along and play games like Virtual Pool without even a stutter.
The only thing missing from it is being a phone.
Beards

I guess I should manage my expectations for the HD then. I was expecting it to fly compared to my old loox.
What happened - processors are still roughly on the Moore's Law curve right - so why is HTC going backwards?

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I guess I should manage my expectations for the HD then. I was expecting it to fly compared to my old loox.
What happened - processors are still roughly on the Moore's Law curve right - so why is HTC going backwards?
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Because HTC is using Qualcomm, and your old device has Intel. Qualcomm is newer and more advanced in that it has more things onboard, while with Intel you have to have a few more separate chips. This (and probably some good deal HTC got) should explain why HTC didn't opt for the faster (and less energy consuming) Intel platform, I guess.

advice please

hi all, im relativly new to all this having had an n95 for the last year or so.
I have the choice of the samsung omnia white 8gb or the htc touch hd. With the omnia ill be on a 12 month contract, with the hd an 18.
Anywya, its driving me insane trying to decide, so id appreciate any advice you could offer.
the way im looking at it at th emoment, i like the fact that the omnia has a flash, built in memory and seems to be faster (reading on here there seems to be a driver issue with the hd).
The worrys i have about the hd are the driver situation(reading on here people seem to have delay issues with tomtom and i use gps quite alot, and weather without the device will be powerfull enough to run heavier apps and the lack of a flash and inbuilt memory.
However, what i love about the hd are the community you guys have. Looking at the forum (i may be totally wrong) but itlooks like you guys are not far away from getting android working on it, which would be cool as. Also, i like the way you can use the features from the other phones such as touchwiz and the xperia squares thingy.
Anywya, i dont know much atall having used symbian for the last 6 years or so , so please give me your honest advice.

Everyone looks at their phones differently.
It is decision that others can't make for you.
Evaluated the facts and make a choice.
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tkalli said:
Everyone looks at their phones differently.
It is decision that others can't make for you.
Evaluated the facts and make a choice.
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Couldn't have put it better!!
Only you know what you are looking for in a phone. Look at both specs, read up on both of them and evaluate which one is best for you.
Both have pros & cons, but you are right, xda developers is an awesome community to be part of and the tweaking & roms available are of great use!!

Is there likley to be any resolution to the driver situation. Im hoping that with the release of the magic mabey we will also have android running perfectly on the touch hd.
But then if i go for the omnia, its only 12 months i have to stay and i get the flash camera.
The omnia techinically looks just as powerfull as the hd touch, but with a lesser community of devs.
Grrr, descisions descisions!

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Is there likley to be any resolution to the driver situation. Im hoping that with the release of the magic mabey we will also have android running perfectly on the touch hd.
But then if i go for the omnia, its only 12 months i have to stay and i get the flash camera.
The omnia techinically looks just as powerfull as the hd touch, but with a lesser community of devs.
Grrr, descisions descisions!
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Camera on the Omnia is superior to the HD's, but I don't really use the camera function as I have a 10MP camera anyhow. I stated before, it all depends on your usage. If your looking for an Android phone, there is other options out there as Android on the HD appears to still be a long way off!

thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?

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thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?
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What you could do, which is a bit risky, is trial them both, i.e. get the HD and try it out for a couple days then return it saying you aren't happy, then get the Omnia and do the same thing. If you prefer the Omnia, just keep it etc

I had an Omnia for a few days and returned it as soon as possible for a Touch Pro (now have HD).
Omnia was rubbish, screen is poor, especially in sun light. The Op/sys was extremely unreliable - they've probably fixed this by now. There is no stylus except on a string and the interface is just a simple overlay on top of windows (bit like TF3D) so you need a stylus. Sound was excellent, camera was OK but I'm not a big photo maker with PDA.
The sensitivity of the Omnia acceleration detector is either too sensitive or not enough, I was not able to get it right. The touch screen sensitivity is poor - it needs a hard tap to make things happen.
What else? memory was not so big as on HD, screen resolution is not as good as HD, HD is just way way better.
BUT, it's a personal choice. However, I would highly recommend waiting for the new Omnia now and not buying the old one.

how do you find theHD though? In videos i have seen it seems to stutter alot and lag.

mmm
I got the touch HD , as I fell in love with the Orginal Touch .. I use PC's alott and starsted getting thumb strain with Nokia phone .. so went to the Touch .. loved this .. then went to the HD ... bigger screen etc.. I love it .. what It cant do .. is not worth it ..

i had the same dilema myself and i ended with the HD
if you want a brilliant display, cool factor and xda community go with the HD
if you want a decent camera, snappy interface, huge memory and avi movies with no conversion go with omnia
all other things are more or less the same and more or less acceptable
good luck!

thanks alot guys

ricflairandy said:
thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?
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I got the HD, my wife the omnia.
The HD has a much, much!, better screen. I don't see much difference between the camera's (except for the flash I suppose, but I don't think she ever used it).
As for GPS:
We tried it, driving with both telephones running Garmin software.
I didn't see any difference, the voice directions came mostly simultanious or at most within tenth of seconds from each other and to be honest, I have no idea if the omnia or the HD was the echo
No way I would ever want to swap my HD for her omnia

HappyLlama said:
I got the HD, my wife the omnia.
The HD has a much, much!, better screen. I don't see much difference between the camera's (except for the flash I suppose, but I don't think she ever used it).
As for GPS:
We tried it, driving with both telephones running Garmin software.
I didn't see any difference, the voice directions came mostly simultanious or at most within tenth of seconds from each other and to be honest, I have no idea if the omnia or the HD was the echo
No way I would ever want to swap my HD for her omnia
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what about playing movies. It seems the touch hd with the lack of hardware drives is sluggish in comparrison

ricflairandy said:
how do you find theHD though? In videos i have seen it seems to stutter alot and lag.
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I don't use videos much but I do use the youtube application and it's fine, I never get a stutter.
It probably depends on the coding/format being used.

Cheesy Dave said:
I don't use videos much but I do use the youtube application and it's fine, I never get a stutter.
It probably depends on the coding/format being used.
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Agreed, don't use videos, but I do find it annoying that when playing music you get an occasional stutter/blip with no apparent fix yet!!
How do you find the data charges when using youtube a lot?

cheers guys, orderd the omnia now in white.
thanks

Someone found the right thing to do with an omnia:
http://www.wmexperts.com/torture-phone-heaven-blogger
As to data charges for YouTube, I use this over wifi and not GPRS so I use it for free!

I get no noticeable GPS lag in either TomTom or Google Maps.

is touch hd better than x1?

unhappy x1 owner

Better screen, lighter, better UI.
What are you looking for in the answers?

maybe you want to explain why are you unhappy with x1
browsing this forum will give you all informaton about issues of the Blackstone
you can even find some compartive benchmarks between HD and X1
so, what exactly do you want to know?

is touch hd faster less lag?
does the bigger screen keyboard makes up for the real keyboard of x1?
does the battery last longer?

leobox1 said:
is touch hd faster less lag?
does the bigger screen keyboard makes up for the real keyboard of x1?
does the battery last longer?
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no
no
don't think so

? so u mean x1 is better??

no i don't mean that as long as i own a HD and not X1
in some aspects HD is better is some other aspects is X1 that take the lead
for example, i never consider X1 just because it's thikness. i don't need the phisical keyboard because i don't text so much
so better is what is better TO YOU

how about the camera>

Definately Touch HD will be better because of 5MP camera compare to X1 only come with 3MP

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Definately Touch HD will be better because of 5MP camera compare to X1 only come with 3MP
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i seriously doubt that
htc cameras are well known being of poor quality. beside that it seems that the software is not well designed, as a lot of people noticed
on the other hand, sony is well known for quality cameras
so.....

leobox1 said:
? so u mean x1 is better??
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nope I dont think so... nearly the same... i compared them before buying my HD and to my mind the X1 is too bullky-to big. (FOR ME! Its my opinion, If you have big pockets, than its no problem!)
But I think you can play games better with yout X1! We dont have hardware buttons!!! :O
But I can read eBooks more comfortable , because the screen is a little bit bigger (but has the same resolution)

The screen makes all the difference, HD got a bigger and easy to use screen, X1 screen is recessed so you might have problems clicking on the screen limits like the X in the corner.
Also the keyboard and hardware keys of the X1 can be easy to use but they might fail after some time of intensive use.

noris08 said:
i seriously doubt that
htc cameras are well known being of poor quality. beside that it seems that the software is not well designed, as a lot of people noticed
on the other hand, sony is well known for quality cameras
so.....
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AFAIK, X1 is also manufactured by HTC, but for Sony. I don't recall where I read this, but this is what I have been lead to believe.
For me HD is awesome. Especially after upgrading/changing ROM. Absolutely love the high res, non-recessed screen. My only problem - complete lack of hardware buttons.
And it looks much much better than X1, but that's too subjective...
Internal hardware wise, I don't think it makes much of a difference. I've tried lots of HTC devices (including 200 MHz Omap processer - Charmer), and the only thing that makes a difference is amount of memory so that you can run more applications at the same time without worrying about running out of memory.

damac said:
AFAIK, X1 is also manufactured by HTC, but for Sony. I don't recall where I read this, but this is what I have been lead to believe.
that is true, x1 is made by htc
the difference is the software designed by se programmers, some drivers that htc usualy miss, small issues like that
i assume though that there are also some hardware components specificaly requested by se, like metal casing, for instance
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X1 better than the HD ?
Personally I don't think so.
If you're someone that texts allot, you'd be happy with the X1 since it has the physical keyboard.
But the HD is lighter, thinner and the TF3D is more user friendly than the standard WM6.1 stuff on the X1.
Though you can change all of that by flashing your device.
The battery of the HD is ok.
I play alot with it and the batterylife can reach like 2 days max.
If I stop playing with it and use it for phoning only, it may reach 3 days.
The screenquality on the HD is the thing that does it for me.
Since its a bigger screen, the experience of watching movies or streaming media is far cooler than you'll ever get on the X1.
Together with the big screen you'll find the 3.5 mm earjack which you can use to plug your favorite audiophone.
Don't know if the X1 has a extention to plug 3.5mm audiophones...
I'd choose for the HD.
X1 is more practical sometimes, but the HD is in my opinion very stylish.
Even more stylish than the Iphone... I think.
Greetings and goodluck

noris08 said:
i seriously doubt that
htc cameras are well known being of poor quality. beside that it seems that the software is not well designed, as a lot of people noticed
on the other hand, sony is well known for quality cameras
so.....
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Hmm I've had a few SE phones in recent history. I was very happy with my SE W810i, camera was pretty decent on that.
Upgraded to the K850i and hated the damn thing, especially the camera which while supposed to be 5mp was attrocious. I had so many faults with the model in the end Orange got sick of sending me new ones and upgraded me to the C902. Decent phone but again the camera was nothing special. I personally have found the quality on my HD better than the C902 which is also 5mp. I considered the X1 but have had so many issues with SE of late that i wanted to try something different and i am absolutely loving the HD so far.

touch hd
I have had my HD for severl months now and it is always failed to impress me (aprt from the gorgeous screen) by far the best HTC I have had were the orbit and XDA exec, both good phones. My only problem with it is that it was hiped to buggery when it was released as a super amazing fast all singing all dancing media phone, it isnt at all, it is a business phone, a slick shiny Iphone-esq one but a business phone nonetheless. it could have been so good, its hardware is outpaces game consoles and the iphone for instance. If it wasnt crippled by winmo and the lack of full 3d and video acceleration it would be the shoulders above the rest. I feel let down by HTC and I am not going to buy one again until they can properly optimise there hardware like Apple have done with the Iphone, you have to give it to Apple, they have squeezed every ounce of juice out of that bady they can, you only need to look at the wealth of app. I would sell my HD tomorrow if the Iphone wasnt so locked down and had a bigger screen, iphone next gen here I come...

stoolzo said:
I have had my HD for severl months now and it is always failed to impress me (aprt from the gorgeous screen) by far the best HTC I have had were the orbit and XDA exec, both good phones. My only problem with it is that it was hiped to buggery when it was released as a super amazing fast all singing all dancing media phone, it isnt at all, it is a business phone, a slick shiny Iphone-esq one but a business phone nonetheless. it could have been so good, its hardware is outpaces game consoles and the iphone for instance. If it wasnt crippled by winmo and the lack of full 3d and video acceleration it would be the shoulders above the rest. I feel let down by HTC and I am not going to buy one again until they can properly optimise there hardware like Apple have done with the Iphone, you have to give it to Apple, they have squeezed every ounce of juice out of that bady they can, you only need to look at the wealth of app. I would sell my HD tomorrow if the Iphone wasnt so locked down and had a bigger screen, iphone next gen here I come...
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And how does all your review answers to the thread question ?

stoolzo said:
..iphone next gen here I come...
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I will have a iPhone AND a HD
iPhone for playing HD for everything else (movie watching, eading, working, learning, sms-ing, phoning xD
The next iPhone should have at least WVGA resolution until then-HD RULEZ