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Touch HD vs. Xperia - A non-professional view

The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile. That alone should determine your choice... but considering you want to go into depth:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
2. When it comes to Screen, though both have the same resolution, Touch HD gives you a bigger display with its 3.8 inch screen over the 3 inch Xperia screen.
3. In regard to camera, the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia. However, if one thing Sony Ericsson knows best, it is its Camera... so i can pretty much say that Xperia's 3.2 MP camera would be enough to take on the Touch HD 5 MP camera. Video recording is in both, and most likely Touch HD will match the recording capabilties in terms of resolution with Xperia - but again Camera quality of Sony is expected to be better. Both devices have Touch Focus as well... but one other thing to note is that Touch HD has no camera flash!
4. Main interface - Touch Flo 3d is superb looking. But Xperia Panels are not behind. Though Touch Flo 3D is shiny and extremely attractive, it lacks big time in customization. With Panels, customization is the key... and with time as developers start releasing new panels, we will probably see some really awesome stuff in terms of functionaity as well looks. Not to mention, the way you switch panel mode (fan, side-by-side, etc.) is nothing short. So if you are one who loves to have the possibility of as much customization as possible, like me, then Xperia wins here. And in my opinion, in terms of functionality and extendibility Xperia again wins here.
5. Battery - Xperia carries a bigger battery than Touch HD. Though how much time each will provide, we can't say for sure at this point...
6. Manufacturer - HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device.
7. 3G Reception - Foo, a senior member here at XDA Developers has brought to my attention that Touch Pro suffers from poor 3G reception but another member says that this is not the case and that he doesn't face any such problems on his Pro. Considering that HTC has improved Touch HD in various aspects over the pro - bigger screen, higher resolution, better sensitivity to the touch screen, more powerful camera and so on - we will just have to wait and see if the 3G reception in Touch HD is better than Pro or not. As for Xperia, we'll have to wait and confirm for that when it releases.
8. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch HD!
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch HD, but none too major to consider here. (i leaved keyboard out of this as i already put that forward in the first question i asked at the start of this post).
Conclusion: From where I sit, Xperia is a winner with its sexy look (c'mon. it. is. steel!), fully customizable interface (panels), more RAM, Flash on the camera, full stylish qwerty keyboard, and more.
Hope this helps...
And if anyone feels like it, then add to the list anything you want.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.

You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.

sproxy said:
You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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Yes, i did point that tout in the post above... but HTC had more to do with the hardware from a Win Mo point of view... the Camera is something that SE obviously didn't need help from HTC on.
As for actual comparison of picture quality... we'll know for sure in a few days as to how good Xperia's camera actually is. (one picture over at the Xperiancers blog shows it to be really good)!

msalmank said:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246

borce_razor said:
Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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This information is outdated. SE increased the RAM in the meanwhile (most likely due to performance issues) up to 384 MByte RAM which is about 100 MByte more then Touch HD has.
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.

foo said:
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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The reason i did the comparison was because both devices have been compared/questioned side-by-side on various forums now. And i did mention, before making a comparison, that: "The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile."

borce_razor said:
Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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As Foo already pointed out, that page is out-dated. You can do a search in Google on Xperia and 384 MB RAM and you will get tons of news items and blog posts announcing that change in the hardware from a couple of weeks back.

holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!

nap007 said:
holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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One is comparing Touch HD and the other Touch Pro against Xperia...

Here's another compare http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1469&id2=1117. Still HD is my favourite

As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.

Black93300ZX said:
As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
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I'm afraid you should first confirm things yourself. Xperiancers is a blog by SE and here is a quote from their latest blog entry: "The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram"
(if you'd like to see: http://xperiancers.com/ - Name of post is 'Your Xperia Questions Answered')
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Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
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Dude... it's my opinion, if you don't agree then don't, but call me biased at my own expense. I clearly stated that 'the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia', and i am sure many will agree that SE's cameras are one of the best in mobile devices... but i did not declare Xperia a winner over Touch HD but only implied that in my opinion Xperia'll be better. Furthermore - take into account that Touch HD lacks a flash for the camera, it will not perform up to par in certain conditions.
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Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
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Again... user based experience. Another member here mentioned that he faced 3G reception problems, and i put that in. You say it doesn't, i'll put that in as well.
Black93300ZX said:
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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Dude! did you even read what i wrote? I wrote it clear: "HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device."
HTC manufactured Xperia, but it is a SE device and they are the ones who are bringing it out.

i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!

netnerd said:
i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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I'm afraid to add this to the comparison... someone might say something...
I was not aware of this... Maybe they'll add it in the end? or is it confirmed?

I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!

Nyberg said:
I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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TOUCH HD

The comment about the camera is correct. For printing up to A4, anything over 3mp is usually massively outweighed by the lens opening and quality. Small opening ... small amounts of light - causes issues regardless of the CCD or CMOS. It is also correct to suggest that the SE devices have a history of being closer to compact cameras in quality than the toy town stuff you usually get from HTC (I've had loads of HTC devices and love them but the cameras are of little practical use). The other thing worth saying that the X1 will shoot 640x480 video and 30fps like the Nokia E90 and N95. The quality of video of the latter two is almost up to the Hi-8 camcorders (if in good light) which makes them a genuinely useful camcorder alternative. The HD (and all native HTC devices) are still QVGA and the video looks rubbish even on a 2" window on a PC. This should be a huge plus for the X1.
My concerns about the X1 relate to the likely hood that SE won't support and develop the platform. There are many rumours about the Sony and Ericcson relationship as well as the SE / HTC one. Also, Sony will not commit to any future WM devices - infact, it seems they are completely non committal about future OS - UIQ, Android, WM etc. When you look at the P1 issues ... never resolved even after a huge backlash by customers ... it's not promising.
The X1 performance / tuning also worries me. It was announced that there were gfx / video perf issues with 30fps playback very shortly before the release date. They didn't answer any real questions in their pathetic webcast either ... I think there will be fairly horrible issues initially and worry they won't fix them. The added RAM so late in the day may sound positive ... but it shows they don't really know what they are doing. They will have added it because performance was too slow. Do remember that that amount of RAM with WVGA will really cane the battery - a negative which people aren't really considering.
I worry also about the keyboard ... I guess we will have to wait for the first purchasers to confirm either way. These things are enough to stop me pre-ordering when 3 months ago it was a definite purchase for me.
The HD has no keyboard ... I might be able to live without. The problem is more with the lack of button controls. Again, we know very little about it. I would hope HTC would include some kind of soft dpad with dynamic scaling which would allow apps to run VGA on top of the extra screen estate which would have the soft buttons / dpad. If they don't do this, I am very concerned about real day to day use. If they do deliver such a soft key set, then I think it would be almost perfect as long as something else is not missing - like TV-Out ... strangely not detailed ... even though some sites suggest in the spec it is there. The only massive irritation for me is the camera - no flash and no VGA 30fps capture on something this expensive. I was hoping to replace my TyTNII and N95 8GB with a single device .... and it looks like I will still need two - seems like a stupid oversight for such an expensive device. The 3.8" screen may still sway me though. I don't need tiny like lots of people ... as long as I have a decent belt case.
Paul.

two very different devices targeted at different markets, daft trying do a compare on them as one is more of high usage business device the other a low usage media device.
Business or personal
So out of these two, if i wanted a phone to do work on with occasional media usage, id go for the X1, if i wanted something that looked swanky and was a good phone but ultimately a low work usage device then the HD would be it, course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated

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course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.

netnerd said:
huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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Oh my god... Did you seriously just say a big issue when making a business oriented phone is having a big screen? That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard. In that case, the Touch HD will be purely for business, because the entire phone is just one huge screen. Big screens = multimedia use... iPhone, Touch HD? I don't think I've ever seen a businessman complain "oh man this screen is too small", if that were the case all businesses would have 42" LCD monitors for their computers.

Touch HD, best phone yet.... no more :(

http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/product/3G/931sh/#specs
it's in japanese. but the jist of it:
3.8 inch, 1024x 480 HXGA, 3g, gps, 5.2 mpix camera with auto focus with IMAGE STABLIZER, accelerometer, and built-in TV tuner.

Hmmm... I think not, just one of those cheap Japanese junk gadgets. Ever heard of Aquos before? Also its not WM. The HD lives on the be the victor!!
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buggybug0 said:
http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/product/3G/931sh/#specs
it's in japanese. but the jist of it:
3.8 inch, 1024x 480 HXGA, 3g, gps, 5.2 mpix camera with auto focus with IMAGE STABLIZER, accelerometer, and built-in TV tuner.
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Is it even a windows mobile phone?
And if it was that good, it would have had an 8x analog zoom lens and a processor with the speed of an Atom....
Sadly these phones will never leave Asia...

mwatson said:
Hmmm... I think not, just one of those cheap Japanese junk gadgets. Ever heard of Aquos before? Also its not WM. The HD lives on the be the victor!!
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The website did mention (at the bottom of the first of the four tabs) something about microsoft corporation registered trade mark, not sure if it was referring to the OS or something else related to media.
but umm.. you never heard of Aquos?!?!?! shame on you they are the premiere brand in LCD and LCD TV!!!!!!!!!! Sharp Aquos is like one of the top brand LCD/Plasma TV there is. Their LCD quality is second to none.. well may be Sony's up there. but you know what i mean.

samsung make all the screens though lol!
SOFTBANK 931SH from Sharp Corporation.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ACCESS-NetFront-Browser-Widgets-Empower/story.aspx?guid={6E244C97-43E9-4628-8633-FD5EA19925C0}
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?p=33382614#post33382614

mwatson said:
Hmmm... I think not, just one of those cheap Japanese junk gadgets. Ever heard of Aquos before? Also its not WM. The HD lives on the be the victor!!
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You might be right, I was ripped off before buying cheap Japanese mobile from eBay and did not last 6 month before stop working.. I will not pay a penny to buy those phone, stick to the brand you know... like Htc, Sony etc..

Yeah, truly a great phone...not. Design so yesterday...and Sharp...lousiest customer service ever.

Not even close to beating the HD! No WM...LOL

Sure, it has higher resolution but software wise, no comparison...
This phone as I realized from the promotion video is targeted strictly to japanese audience...
It's SOOO japanese... I'm not worried at all, blackstone still the best

Here's another article of the phone...
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/30/softbank-introduces-sharp-aquos-fulltouch-slider-with-quasi-xga/
it would be better if the sliding keyboard were horizontal instead of verticle like that. also, if it was qwerty, not number keys.

now that more information came out. it looks like it doesn't have WM. i don't feel too bad about my touch hd pre-order. but i am very very interested to see how the aquos LCD performs on that phone... at that resolution. i guess we can't have the best of both worlds. and besides dont' think it will ever make it out of japan.

mwatson said:
cheap Japanese junk gadgets
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lol just thought of something based on your comment, made in japan vs. made in china, ummm..

HD still better!
Screen size!!!, etc

This one is not WM at all!

man this thing owns itself. I would rather have no keyboard at all than that keyboard. The only big deal thing is the resolution, which is slightly higher than the HD, BIG DEAL
It's the whole package that counts

Sorry guys but I think that the HD is probably the best device we are about to see using WM since this operating system does not support resolutions greater than WVGA.WM at firrst wouldn't even support WVGA, it could only go up to VGA, and they reeeeally tried to make it work for both HD AND Xperia (yes, since SE is new to WM the whole project was made real by HTC, which of course tells us something more about the quality of HD and its superiority over SE, even though I admit that I find SE environment more usable than TF3D).
I don't really know if the resolution restriction is going to be surpassed with WM 7. If not the only area of improvement is going to be the processor (and not THAT much since huge batteries will then be a must), and the touch screen responsivness (let's admit it, iPhone may be useless as a machine but it's responsivness is just out of this world).

If you wanted to look at screen resolution alone, Japanese phones have had 854x480 "16:9 widescreen" displays for years now, with a handful of them touchscreen capable.
But everything else (no WM, Japan-only features, numeric keypad instead of qwerty keyboard, etc) only makes sense inside the Japanese cellphone market. Anywhere outside of Japan and those phones are always lackluster.
Put it differently: if people consider the iPhone and HTC's WM devices to be in two completely different markets, then Japanese phones fall under their own category, so of course there's no comparison.

Can't understand the hyping about the Touch HD.
For me it is just a bigger version of the Touch Diamond....
And also it is really questionable whether the digicam is better or even worse compared to the one of a touch pro.
Otherwise i can't see new hardware.
Optimized software.
Nothing mindblowing.

EAPOCS said:
Can't understand the hyping about the Touch HD.
For me it is just a bigger version of the Touch Diamond....
And also it is really questionable whether the digicam is better or even worse compared to the one of a touch pro.
Otherwise i can't see new hardware.
Optimized software.
Nothing mindblowing.
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HTC broke a lot of ground with the Diamond, but a lot of users have had complaints about some of the Diamond's limitations. The HD arguably picks up where the Diamond left off. Namely:
- More memory.
- MicroSD card slot (currently up to 16gb).
- Larger standard battery.
- 3.5mm headphone jack.
Other points are debatable (whether you really need 800x480, 5mp camera, etc), but they're certainly not worse than the Diamond.

EAPOCS said:
Can't understand the hyping about the Touch HD.
For me it is just a bigger version of the Touch Diamond....
And also it is really questionable whether the digicam is better or even worse compared to the one of a touch pro.
Otherwise i can't see new hardware.
Optimized software.
Nothing mindblowing.
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The Hype is not because it's a bigger version of the Touch Diamond, but because in the first time in many years HTC does a phone with a screen bigger than 2.8", VGA and a little more affordable. I know that HTC has even one model with 3.5" and several bigger than 3.5" but those don't count cause they are a lot bigger, heavier and a lot more expansive.

Opinion before devorcing my beloved Touch HD

Ok guys just trying to get opinions out there. Currently using the Touch HD. Came from a Nokia device so I love the speed of symbian compared to Windows. It seems like the time has come for me to figure out if I want to keep the Touch HD or not.
Pro:
I love the big screen.
It looks sleek.
Easy to flashfirmware and tweaking performance is fun.
Con:
Incoming calls is a little laggy. Sometimes calls come in as unknown.
Phone feels a slower than ones I've used before.
No TV-Out.
*Having a keyboard would be a plus. But without it is not a Con*
I'm actually debating getting rid of the Touch HD for either the Xperia X1i/X1a so I would gain a keyboard and overall use would stay the same.
Or I thought about getting the Nokia 5800 tube, so that I gain the TV-Out feature to display gps on my indash and have the feel of symbian again.
Or ultimate would be to get the new n97 which has a large screen and keyboard.
What do you guys think? I think the biggest thing bothering me is the phone feelings a bit laggy compared to my previous nokia phones.

try keyboard in landscape mode man it works very well.
incomoingcall work well to me too.
after using it i dont wanna come back with symbyan anymore

Sorry but you knew it had no keyboard when you got it so if it is a "con" and not a "pro", why did you get it in the first place?

well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.

I dunno, going to the X1 isn't going to do much for you other than the physical keyboard. It sounds like love Symbian so maybe just wait for the N97.

I have both Nokia n95 an htc HD, HD is much better! 1 thing above all: HD is fully customizable, and you can improve it with new official roms or with a lot of cooked roms.......

Hello
I have the HD and the Nokia Tube.
The Nokia Tube is crap.
Slow as hell, and the worst GUI i have ever seen.

Flash a few cooked roms first... see if that makes your HD the device you always wanted...

do you recomend any?

I also own a n95 and the hd, and the nokia is no match for the hd in any aspect. Once you get used to the hd big screen and lots of features, you wonder how you could waste your money in the nokia set.
The hd is fairly fast for me, the gps works much better than the n95's. It fully customizable, the battery lasts longer, the rds radio of the hd is much better that the visual radio of the n95 (in Spain the rds system is spread all around the country while the visual radio is scarcely used), there's a lot of sotware available for the hd... in summary, i would't change it.
But each user asks for different features so...that's just my opinion.

Cheeze[iT] said:
well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.
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You could try SPB Full Keyboard

Symbian UI sux the biggest time ever!!!!
There is no Symbian or Nokia I have ever tried that is nice or fast, the N96 is a piece of s..t! I stompted on the damn thing into pieces, seriously, kept freezing and the menu's are a nightmare, menu's within menus within more menus.... The "cons" you mentioned are nothing compared to any Symbian.
"TV Out" its a gimic function of Samsung and Nokia, the quality of TV Out function is way way below VHS quality making it a whole waste of time IMHO, anyway just my 2 cents in a useless topic.
Perhaps Symbian seems more suited to your needs

I went shopping for a new HTC device yesterday.
I looked at the Diamond, Touch Pro, Xperia X1, G1 and the Touch HD.
I found the Diamond's screen size to adequate, but the lack of storage card baffles me.
The Touch Pro was just to heavy but the keyboard was very useable + storage card.
The Xperia's keyboard felt better, but the weight killed it for me. The screen is also far too small to handle WVGA.
The G1's 16million colurs makes the same difference with the screen as an iPod. HTC really should move to 16M colours asap. The interface was great, but you can tell it is in its infancy. I will be watching Android keenly over the next year.
Then we have the HD :
The screen size makes a huge difference - 3.8" WVGA is the perfect size for this res (2.8" is borderline too small).
The device is the exact same size as the iPhone (I think the box matches Apple's packaging as well...) This fits nicely in the hand and feels very light.
The screen size also helps with finger inputs, even on the standard keyboard!
The device is fast. I found no lag running through the programs, even while leaving 10 open. The 512Mb RAM certainly helps there.
A hardware keyboard for me is a con. When I moved to one (XDA Mini S), I found it strange to get used, but percivered, when I moved back to an onscreen keyboard, I certainly did not miss the physical kb.
After playing with all 5 devices, I have payed up for the HD.
It'll be delivered on Tuesday.

MrAce87 said:
do you recomend any?
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davideuck, believe me!

Thanks for input guys,
I do like the ability to flash new roms as I am trying to keep up with Laurentius26 and the L26 roms. It seems the V7 seems to be pretty responsive. As far as the tube VS touch HD Speed comparison, thanks for the info.
On the TV-Out feature, I would only use it to display GPS on my indash so I can easily get around by getting a decent car mount I guess. I've been keeping up with that thead and haven't found one I liked yet.
Bringing up the point that symbian isn't as customizable friendly I guess it would advantage me to stay with the touch so that I can always flash different roms and see which I like better. And between the Xperia and the Touch HD, thats going to be a hard button keyboard VS big screen.
Now to go read up on some more interesting apps/games to install. Thanks again guys! Keep the input coming if you like! I appreciate it.

My first post here at xda, so forgive me while i get used to it ;-)
the touch hd is quite impressive as allrounder. i'm more than a little jealous of the screen compared to my own omnia.
but omnia is till my personal choise of today; huge internal memore (i currently use 16 gig + 16 gig sdhc) although it's 3.5mm jack is indirect, if does come as adapter in the sales box. it is a bit fatter than the hd though but not too much- 12.5mm. and it has the tv out u mentioned. anyway it is to my taste right now.
if u have the patience for future model i found some interresting ones here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/the_8_megapixel_samsung_i8910_records_hd_video_ready_to_roll-news-776.php
it seems the next generation of omnia. though rumor has it that it'll be running symbian instaid of wm... and by now i have gotten stuck on wm and its flexibillity. i'm not sure that i can go back. still if u look at its specks they doo make my mouth water- heh he.
http://www.gsmarena.com/toshiba_unleashes_the_tg01__the_ubersmartphone_to_rule_them_all-news-768.php
this one is a pure wm platform wich seems to leave even hd trailiang in the dust. but remember that with a screen as big as 4.1 inches u may need to resow your pockets in all shirts and pants. still size matters when using gui's and you hd is already a good example there.
none of them packs a built-in thumpboard though. for that u may need to to go n97, touch pro, xperia, HTC dream or G1. i've no experience with android yet. but as for wm's i hear experia is annoyingly slow, and if u already have trouble with the speed of the HD u may need to stay far away from this one. all of them packs better screenresolutions than omnia, but the benefits of higher resolution without bigger screen on these devices is argueable. on 3.2 inches i don't miss the extra pixels on windows mobile.
a good thing might be if others told about their experiences with various models. my dad for one would never trade in his HD for my omnia. but if i had to buy a new one today i'd still choose it over the others out there.
needs and tastes differ.

a little off toppic- sorry.
does anyone know if if it possible to mod s60-5th the same way as SPB and PointUI does it for wm? my only experience with it is n93 wich i kept as my primary for one and a half years. never thought of costumizing it though. and i've fallen in love with it on wm.

Cheeze,
I have the same problem.
X1 will have the same problem in terms of the lag.
keyboards are good, but you dont need them as much, you need to get use to the touch screen... give it more time...
If you want something just as good as the HD with no Lag, go iphone, but then you drop alot of good things with the HD.
i did at first contemplate selling off the HD and going in for the iphone, but i have used the iphone, and liked it for the whole 2 months i had it before i went to a smaller phone... and then to the HD...
the iphone was basic to what i needed it for, the hd works perfectly...
let me tell you, after 3 months, you will be fine with the hd, but the lag will increase... especially in calls... and if you are like me.. with an ever increaseing phone book addess list.. it doesnt help... due to work, my phone book is now at 500+, and that was after cutting it down due to the financial crises...
in all likelyhood i will go back to the iphone depending on what the next update is in July.. then in august will truely decide....

I to went from the HD to the iphone. I do miss the big screen and badass resolution but after a few weeks and jail breaking i dont even think about the hd or windows mobile for that matter.

Im currently looking to move from my Nokia E90 to The HD. I have never used a HD before so i cannot comment on it, but the Symbian email system is awful which is one of the reasons that im looking to move away from Symbian.
I have looked at the 5800 but it will be a "downgrade" from my E90. Also the N97 does look good but it only has 3 rows with the numbers intergrated into the top "qwerty" row.
That totally puts me off it

Review of N97 on gsmarena

Please gimme your thoughts on this...
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n97-review-363.php
I don't want n97 to out do the x1...

Should be in off topic section this has nothing to do with XPERIA.
It will most likely outsell the xperia anyway because it's a nokia, any nokia phone sells like hot cakes.

rachet and clank? you into PS3 dude? (way off topic i know, but just had to ask )

bharat4ever said:
Please gimme your thoughts on this...
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n97-review-363.php
I don't want n97 to out do the x1...
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Worse screen, processor, memory available, and most of all...it's still using Symbian OS...HOW can it out do an X1?

Those are some good points, but...to answer your question:
Samsung Omnia HD defeats Xperia in terms of hardware specs.
Omnia HD has 3D accelerated processor that is about 600 Megahertz
and it has same amount of RAM as Xperia X1.
The Omnia HD is actually superior to Nokia N97 in every single way except for these 2:
1) Tilt screen
2) No multitouch
3) Speakers are only 80% as loud as the N97
But to be less biased, and truthful ... the symbian OS does not need as much processor power as Windows OS, and the speed of the devices are pretty much very similar. I believe that if N97 had the same processor POWER not speed, than the N97 would be a really really really fast device, like the iphone or as some reviewers have stated on youtube: like the Samsung Omnia HD. N97 is not super fast from what I've seen and heard from Noah @ phonedog.youtube but I know that Xperia X1 isn't actually super fast either.
But on another note, I am so tired of symbian reviewers praising the Symbian OS... sometimes I think reviewers and forumers praise the damn OS simply because of the N-Series line of phone:
1) Before 2009, N-Series were the first to have phones with the best fidelity in stereo speakers,
2) And they used to have the best camera quality as well
3) Without these two, the OS will stand out to be not much better than Windows Molebowl 6.1

For symbian, if you could just customize it it can compete with other OS. Imagine using a hardware that doesn't need a big processor and ram but can level out some big hardwares..

spine6 said:
For symbian, if you could just customize it it can compete with other OS. Imagine using a hardware that doesn't need a big processor and ram but can level out some big hardwares..
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It's an "IF" issue.....
However, I just read the Engadget review of N97,
and comparing it to the hype&hopes,
it's a FLOP....
IMO of course.

N97 is a failure.....

doministry said:
It's an "IF" issue.....
However, I just read the Engadget review of N97,
and comparing it to the hype&hopes,
it's a FLOP....
IMO of course.
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it is sort of a flop....i know a professionaly reviewer at youtube who specializes in Symbian phones and he isn't so hyped up on the N97 anymore. When he reviewed the Samsung Omnia HD, he really liked it except for the lack of multitouch and hardware keyboard.
it's a flop relative to the hype...
but I believe it will not flop in terms of sales.

poetryrocksalot said:
it is sort of a flop....i know a professionaly reviewer at youtube who specializes in Symbian phones and he isn't so hyped up on the N97 anymore. When he reviewed the Samsung Omnia HD, he really liked it except for the lack of multitouch and hardware keyboard.
it's a flop relative to the hype...
but I believe it will not flop in terms of sales.
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You may be right, because I always say,
sales is not a simple consequence of quality.
It's a Nokia - a brand with high trust.

orelsi said:
N97 is a failure.....
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lol you mean x1 is a failure!

frozenwaffles said:
lol you mean x1 is a failure!
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1st option - you are serious:
I don't. Please check the facts and come back to apologize for being wrong.
2nd option - you are trolling:
Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessfull...

The main problem of N97 is that it just came too late. There was so much hype about it. But nowadays, all his features are not so inovative at least. Camera, screen, cpu, desing ... we've all seen it already, even lots of phones have better display, better camera, faster cpu, better features. Even the customizable home screen, well you can do such things with Samsung's TouchWiz 2.0 for example. Maybe not exactly the same, but more or less. There isn't anything innovative in this phone. If it was on the market 6 months ago, or even more than 6, maybe it will be better, but I can't see it competing with Omnia HD for example, for multimedia, and with TP2 for business. Not that the phone is bad, it's a good phone, but it should be the best phone Nokia have, and it can hardly compete with any rival currently on the market (the top series phones).

I had the chance to play 2 hours with the N97 and have to say its a very nice phone.
Pros:
- Very good build quality. Best slider I've seen on a Nokia phone so far, as well as nice materials.
- Fast OS - faster than any other Symbian 60 phones out there. Not faster than a customized and clean X1 however.
- Nice camera.
- Very good browser rendering - but a little slower than opera 9.5.
Cons:
- The keyboard is quite nice - at least with the english layout. But the german layout is just an epic fail ... The punctuation keys were ridiculously replaced and only reachable with the function key.
- No flick scrolling in menus inside the OS (browser does have it!). Thats another point I couldn't live in every days use.
If you don't want to flash you phone every couple of days in the search of the perfect ROM, you will be pleased with the Symbian 60 OS on the N97. However, if you love customizing your entire OS, stick to WM. There are just much more possibilities in doing it, than on current Symbian versions.

My brother has compared his N95 to the N97 and I can tell you that the volume loudness is almost the same as the Xperia on the N97 and that N97 speakers aren't as good and loud as the N95.
So if you are in for the speakers, wait for the successor of the N97.

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rachet and clank? you into PS3 dude? (way off topic i know, but just had to ask )
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Yeah i love my ps3

If there's one thing I don't get with the N97 is why did they abandon the folding design of de E9300,9500,90 for a sliding phone. Especiall with a touch screen.
With the X1 your touchscreen is also part of the cover. That means it gets a lot a abuse. On top of that the phones witches on very (to) easy, often without the owner noticing and all kind of things can get messes up. With a folding design this just doesn't happen.
Why people have gone for sliding phones? It makes no sense to me. Bad design really.
A folding querty keyboard smartphone with a touch screen. Is this too much to ask for?

Well
I had the courtesy of playing with one last night as I'm on holiday in the middle east, I must say, the nice touch screen is refreshing. The angle of (push) to open the slide is a bit awkward and it snaps shut fairly hard but everything else in beautiful. The clarity of the screen, the feel of the keyboard, all compared to my Xperia are amazing, even the touch screen is hyper sensitive, almost as sensitive as the iPhones but without the glass feel. It's a bit bulkier than the Xperia, even with my hard case on, but it's less deep (with the hard case on), th let down for my is Symbian OS and its security, I have grown to like WinMo and the apps etc even if the interface isnt ideal when moving around and trying to do things in bright sunlight and without the sylus.
That being said, all I can say so far is the inital appearance and overall build quality is astonishingly brilliant, as you would expect from nokia, as for overall useability I can't say. (although I had little problem playing with it in a language not my own)

Lol
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Yeah i love my ps3
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Woo, I just bought Ratchet&Clank PS3 for £2 the other week and finished it, was always a lover, and at that price...bargain. Love my PS3 to bits, when I left for my summer holidays abroad last week the only thing I dust covered and locked away was my PS3 (Sorry off-topic.)

alias_neo said:
Woo, I just bought Ratchet&Clank PS3 for £2 the other week and finished it, was always a lover, and at that price...bargain. Love my PS3 to bits, when I left for my summer holidays abroad last week the only thing I dust covered and locked away was my PS3 (Sorry off-topic.)
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£2
Bargain of the century. Good job my man

HTC Touch Pro 2, or HTC Touch HD?

Hey guys new member of the forum i will soon be getting a new phone and it will be either the Touch Pro 2 or the Touch HD. I'm not sure which one to get as i can live without a hardware keyboard which makes the device slimmer and easier to hold, but the question is what is the difference between the 2 phones? are they running the exact same software with the same features etc etc? if they operate exactly the same the HD looks nicer in my opinion, this will be my first time owning a windows mobile, will both phones get the same updates/custom roms. Other peoples opinions on these phones would be a great help, thanks in advance.
Sorry if this is not the correct section to be posting this.

If it was me, I'd maybe hold out for the HTC Leo, the HD's successor
Another thread which is kinda similar regarding people asking what to get after the HD maybe worth a read

thanks for your reply i will have a read of that, the issue is my contract runs out soon and the Leo doesn't yet have a release date and will be getting a new phone the day my contract runs out as i can't get through the day without my phone lol.

Isn't much difference apart from the qwerty keyboard, screen size, D-pad and camera. Generally everything else is similar. Check both the specs and read the wiki for both devices, have a look at the rom forums on both to see whats available.
It would most likely come down what you want, or what your looking for in a device. Basically personal opinion.

TP2 every day in the week.

thanks for the feedback guys. Well i prefer a slightly bigger screen and a slimmer looking phone and find the TP2 to be a little bulky, but if the software is the same this helps a lot as i like the look of the software from the TP2 which will be the same on the HD.
ArtieQ said:
TP2 every day in the week.
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could you maybe give some reasons on your view on why this would be the best choice? Thanks

The HD .. Huge screen .. and um... rather slim and cute looking .. I have a black silicone suround for it and mirror suraface.... and a huge screen with a huge resoultion .. did I mention that?

dgattenb said:
The HD .. Huge screen .. and um... rather slim and cute looking .. I have a black silicone suround for it and mirror suraface.... and a huge screen with a huge resoultion .. did I mention that?
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Huge screen, but huge screen means less pixels = less quality. TP2 got a huge advantage when it comes down to screen resolution vs. HD. And the TP2 got a keyboard and 4 hardware buttons you can actually feel.

ArtieQ said:
Huge screen, but huge screen means less pixels = less quality. TP2 got a huge advantage when it comes down to screen resolution vs. HD.
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You're kidding, right? TP2 and HD both have WVGA - you're not seriously telling me that the pixel density on the HD is not high enough? I doubt you could even tell the difference between the two concerning DPI!
And I'd rather have a larger screen than a smaller one - even if the higher DPI would make a difference... What's the use of having a higher DPI on a smaller screen?

Hd is better in music as it has 3.5 mm audio jack which means better sound quality and also hd is higher in price (the only issue is that hd will not get wm6.5 officially from htc ) but i think it will but htc does not announce that to sell alot of the recent devices

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Hd is better in music as it has 3.5 mm audio jack which means better sound quality and also hd is higher in price (the only issue is that hd will not get wm6.5 officially from htc ) but i think it will but htc does not announce that to sell alot of the recent devices
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I have a Touch HD, although it is in for repairs at the moment, and would consider the TP2 but the lack of a headphone jack is killing me. I live in the US and have not had a chance to play with the TP2. I have AT&T which I am assuming will not have the headphone jack like the Sprint and Verizon (CDMA) model has, Lucky Bastards!!! Anyway, that is what will probably stop me from getting the TP2.
I am sure there will be other options with a headphone jack in the future since HTC has made it clear that most future devices will have them. TP3?? I think they are a little sore from the lashing they took for not putting it in the TP2 which is clearly a great multimedia device. Kida like buying some of the original flat panel tv's that didn't have a TV tuner or speakers. Kinda defeats the purpose.

Well I personally recomend the Touch HD (not only for the reason that I have it and I love it ) when I was choosing my device I was looking for the bigest screen on the market as I like browsing the internet a lot and let me say this BIGGER IS BETTER when we are talking about PPC's nothing can change that also you get a cool design that gets the "WOW" effect from anyone and your pants will not fall to the ground when you are carying it in your pocket.It really depends on the person but for me if I have two phones with almost equal specifications I'll go for the bigger screen even if it is 0,1 inches bigger than the other one.Leo is probably my next device but I heard great things about TOSHIBA's TG01 4.1 inch monster with 1ghz proccessor that's only 10mm thick if you can get your hands on that (it's available in some areas) I would recommend that.

If you are only using one phone I would get the TP2. As I already have the E71 for emails etc I ordered the Touch HD yesterday as a semi tablet.

if it were me, id let my contract run out, continue using the service with your old phone until Leo is released, then upgrade if your carrier runs with the leo, if it doesnt id then upgrade to the most expencive phone they offer then leaving it in its box id flog it on ebay an use the money to buy the leo...
just my thoughts