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torn between X1, OMNIA and Touch Pro

X1 is definitely going to be released in October in my country; but I'm still undecided about which one of them I will buy, here are what I like and dislike/less like with each one of them
X1
+ the best hardware design of the 3, I like the curved slide, I like those LEDs, I like the 3.5mm jack, I like the memory slot and finally I like that it is the most packed with hardware buttons than 'virtual buttons' found in the others.
+ the screen size/res
+ best video recording
+/- 384 final RAM which is still yet to be seen about the performance
+/- I like the panels, but IMO in their current condition they feel somewhat raw and lack of polish; the poker style stacked panels are useless and a waste of resources they should have been created something more functional for example like windows XP's filmstrip folder viewing style in which we could be able to switch between panels without having to press the panels button -which feel like unnecessary 'back' button-
- and with my previous point they should have add an accelerometer, so that other than finger swiping between panels (ala touch flo) perhaps we should be able to shake the X1 to switch between panels. (oh come on SE, even W910 had this, why not your flagship?)
- I'm not convinced as to whether SE has done a good job in reshaping the default WinMo UI or not, in fact based on previews, I didn't see anything has been done to it, they (SE) just babbling over and over and over about the panels
- I'm also worried about the pre-installed software, there are no info about anything else than Opera and handago client (which are quite useless in my country due to slow, somewhat unstable and rather expensive 3G cost) that will come with the phone, and it caught my eye that they integrated contacts in multimedia panels! Isn't it weird?
- rather small onboard storage
Touch Pro
+ Touch Flo 3D, IMO the only solution capable of rivaling Iphone's multitouch UI now in WinMo
+ somewhat more convincing keyboard
+ community support
+ 'hidden features' ----> which I'm doubting it will also exist in X1
- lack of 3.5mm jack
- glossy design
- 4:3 display
- slightly heavier than X1
- no stutter button for the camera
- ugly video recording res
- I''m not fond of the HTC's wheel button.
Omnia
+ sleek design
+ hapstick mode, anything full touch screen capable phone should have this feature, how come those phone makers designers didn't think about it
+ 5MP camera with face detection, smiley detection, geo tagging support out of the box
+ a quite good UI, including the reshaped default WinMo UI, it may not as appealing as Touch Flo 3D, but it is at least functioning well
+ 16GB storage + expansion, holy ****, this set the standard for the industry!
+/- largest display size between the 3, I've seen people bashing it res, but my experience with SE P900 was that the res are OKAY, in fact I can browse quite comfortably with my SE M600i which is smaller in size and display res compared to P900 *edit* I checked and realized that I was wrong about the display res in P900 compared to M600i, the M600i is more pixels packed, but still of course way behind X1, but my point is that those res aren't that bad like what many have criticized it.
- no physical keyboard
- no STYLUS slot lol, unless they have a screen with minimum 5 inch in diagonal never forget stylus!
- the display is said to be somewhat poor under sunlight
- only 128MB RAM
- somewhat just an average optical mouse/joystick pad with no d-pad capable like in X1
any suggestion? comments? I would like to hear things from those who have experience with TP and Omnia.
is there/will there be any device that could combine those 3 strength before next year?

You first must know, what you want to do with. Then the first decisionis with or without hardware keyboard.
I wouldn't do again without. In each software you have to make inputs like writing webadresses, logins or equal you loose a lot of the screen, if you don't have an hardware keyboard. For this reason, I would not do without.
If you don't need a keyboard compare the omnia with the new HTC touch hd. This has a bigger (3,8") and more powerfull (WVGA) screen.
With the omnia samsung went only the half way -the low resolution is not the future... But it is faster in some feelings, as WVGA. If you once had a VGA/WVGA, you will not do without any more. This is the opinion of ALL the people I know, who changed from QVGA to VGA or WVGA.
The touch pro may be not so bad, but for me the display is much too small. I am used to WVGA since a good year now and do not want to miss. The 160 Pixel more length are more than much usefull - I recognize it every day. Even 3" WVGA is a bit smaller than 2,8" VGA you feel the difference clearly.
For that reason the X1 is the only device on the market, I could buy. Never Toshiba again, because they have absolutely no custom service.

Or you could wait for the HTC HD Pro - the HD with a keyboard

probably will be too long to wait, and I haven't hear about HTC make that?

jah said:
Or you could wait for the HTC HD Pro - the HD with a keyboard
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Nothing like that announced so far...
But knowing HTC they'll make it just to screw with me

If they were to suddenly announce a HD Pro, my Touch Pro might not be in once piece.

I don't guess HTC will make a touch HD Pro -to big, to heavy for their customers. But if they do so, I would think of buying it, even after having bought the X1. You know:
The better is the enemy of the good

Omnia comes with an awesome camera... but the most disappointing thing is its stylus and no slot to put it in. But it definitely has no comparison with Touch Pro and Xperia - not just 'cos of no keyboard, but because it lacks the power that those two sets carry - way too low RAM in comparison to them.
Furthermore, Omnia is limited to 16 GB Maximum. Both Touch Pro and Xperia can be expanded upto a whooping 32 GB - and not to mention since it is Micro SD, you can swap cards, put it easily in a card-reader and use as needed and so on.
Samsung Omnia is an extremely impressive set, but it definitely fails to impress when you bring in Touch Pro and Xperia into the ring. So... don't even consider that.

Touch HD is going to be the iPhone killer - full touch screen with improved touch sensitivity than Touch Pro and probably carrying far more features than the Touch Pro. The screen of the Touch HD goes head on with Xperia, but it leaves Xperia behind when it comes to the Camera as it has a 5 MP camera on its back.
So the question is... Do you want a keyboard on your device? If the answer is not necessary, then you should do be thinking Touch HD VS Xperia otherwise stick with Touch Pro VS Xperia.

There is no such thing as an "iPhone Killer". I don't know how often I have read "XYZ phone, the next iPhone Killer?" - and the answer is always "no".
It's not because the iPhone is so much better then other phones, it's because it has a superb marketing and some stylish gadgets included while Windows Mobile devices don't.
It's the same for iPod. There are for sure other good MP3 players out there, but everyone knows iPod.
So please let's stay away from this in this Xperia thread, because the iPhone got already killed as far as I'm concerned.

Touch HD vs Xperia
The comparison has been moved here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430938
Read and then cast your vote.
If you want a comparison between Touch Pro and Xperia... then go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430937
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.

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There is no such thing as an "iPhone Killer". I don't know how often I have read "XYZ phone, the next iPhone Killer?" - and the answer is always "no".
It's not because the iPhone is so much better then other phones, it's because it has a superb marketing and some stylish gadgets included while Windows Mobile devices don't.
It's the same for iPod. There are for sure other good MP3 players out there, but everyone knows iPod.
So please let's stay away from this in this Xperia thread, because the iPhone got already killed as far as I'm concerned.
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Actually i didn't mean it like that. Sorry for making it sound so. By 'iPhone Killer' i tend to imply a phone that can be considered comparable to the iPhone... one that gives the user a choice.
I have an iPhone and have been using it since over an year now, and i can pretty much say that it definitely will stand its ground in the market - well maybe its sales will reduce and all, but it'll stay.

@msalmank
I totally agree with you: The iPhone has its place and will stay.
One thing I'd like to add to this comparison between Touch HD/Pro and Xperia:
The Touch Pro has a weak 3G reception. I still wonder why this problem is never mentioned in such comparisons. Unfortunately we do not have enough information concerning the Xperia and reception quality, but it should be something well considered.
What is a 3,8'' Touchscreen worth if you have no signal to display the required information on it?
As far as I'm concerned, one of the basic features regarding a smartphone is still "connectivity". Weak connectivity = crappy phone.

foo said:
@msalmank
I totally agree with you: The iPhone has its place and will stay.
One thing I'd like to add to this comparison between Touch HD/Pro and Xperia:
The Touch Pro has a weak 3G reception. I still wonder why this problem is never mentioned in such comparisons. Unfortunately we do not have enough information concerning the Xperia and reception quality, but it should be something well considered.
What is a 3,8'' Touchscreen worth if you have no signal to display the required information on it?
As far as I'm concerned, one of the basic features regarding a smartphone is still "connectivity". Weak connectivity = crappy phone.
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Touch HD will be better than Touch Pro. We already have larger screen, more pixels on the camera, greater sensitivity on the touch screen... and so we can only wait an see if 3G receipt will be any better or not. But thank you for this, i've added this in the comparison above as #7...
And yep... the iPhone will definitely stay. Even i'm considering not to sell of my iPhone and keep it as an iPod Touch or backup phone with tons of games loaded on it...

msalmank said:
Omnia comes with an awesome camera... but the most disappointing thing is its stylus and no slot to put it in. But it definitely has no comparison with Touch Pro and Xperia - not just 'cos of no keyboard, but because it lacks the power that those two sets carry - way too low RAM in comparison to them.
Furthermore, Omnia is limited to 16 GB Maximum. Both Touch Pro and Xperia can be expanded upto a whooping 32 GB - and not to mention since it is Micro SD, you can swap cards, put it easily in a card-reader and use as needed and so on.
Samsung Omnia is an extremely impressive set, but it definitely fails to impress when you bring in Touch Pro and Xperia into the ring. So... don't even consider that.
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please research again, OMNIA is equipped with onboard 16GB storage, and can still use micro SD....
and by the way, I don't compare the touch hd here, so which one of X1, TP and Omnia that would be the best buy?

nap007 said:
please research again, OMNIA is equipped with onboard 16GB storage, and can still use micro SD....
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Ahhh! yes. thank you for correcting me. Samsung Omnia can definitely be carry a Micro SD card, but at the max of 16 GB. So at max it can have 32 GB (considering you have the 16 GB set)
nap007 said:
and by the way, I don't compare the touch hd here, so which one of X1, TP and Omnia that would be the best buy?
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Read and then cast your vote: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430937 (Touch Pro Vs. Xperia)
Despite Omnia allowing up to 32 GB memory in total, it still falls behind Xperia and Touch Pro. I might however do a comparison - according to my understanding - between Omnia and Xperia later today or tomorrow.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid

so, I'm back to my original intention, which one to pick between these 3? My points stand still since what I guessed before about X1 appeared to be true -save the rotation button lol-

Bit late to start a petition, but I would have signed it!!!
nap007 said:
so, I'm back to my original intention, which one to pick between these 3? My points stand still since what I guessed before about X1 appeared to be true -save the rotation button lol-
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Don't know why the omnia is being dismissed - it has the most powerful processor and I'm not sure the Ram is an issue because of the internal memory has speeded up to the same level. What I would question about HTC and the Sony is the build quality as both of them are in fact out of Htc's factory

I'm currently using an Xperia after 3 months of Touch Pro usage; the things important for me are covered in this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3028394&postcount=25
..as for the Omnia: I haven't even tested it because it has no HW keyboard and it has a low res display -> altogether different type of phones in my opinion..

Xperia X1 Review - Finally, an indepth review!

Hi All,
A rather large review of the XPERIA X1 has been published at German Areamobile. Pretty much the first one to go into such depth as they did.
Although the review is originally written in German, thanks to Google all us non-German speaking/reading folks can have a go at it as well.
http://translate.google.com/transla...e.de/tests/Sony_Ericsson_Xperia_X1/teil_I.php
Major Cons:
1. Flash on the camera is not good.
2. Some panels can take upto 2 to 4 seconds to refresh/load up at times. (He goes on to say in the conclusion that the lag will most likely be improved in a firmware update later)
Some things to note:
1. The reviewer says: "To put it in a nutshell: Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 is faster than HTC Touch Diamond, HTC Touch Pro and Samsung i900 Omnia."
2. He goes on to say: "The touch screen also reacts more sensitive than those competitors." But it is behind Apple iPhone and also HTC Touch HD in terms of screen as well as speed.
Best Regards.

i would say that is true. In other words its the best win mobile phone atm

samme said:
i would say that is true. In other words its the best win mobile phone atm
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I'll probably have to agree with that.

I'm a little baffled how it manages to "outspeed" the Touch pro when they have the same processor and the Pro has more RAM. Is there some aspect of the hardware where they differ that I'm overlooking (did the 128MB of "extra RAM" for the graphics turn out true?)
Or is it more a matter of superior drivers? If so is the possibility of porting Xperia drivers to the Pro open? I'm still see-sawing between Xperia and Touch pro. My initial call was to take the "hit" in inferior screen for far superior Keyboard and TV-out and get a TP along with paying extra for an extended battery, but it seems the more I read the less clear it gets (especially when I see some of the issues the Touch Pro has on its board).
It seems every day I read something that changes my mind, lol.

Zaim2 said:
I'm a little baffled how it manages to "outspeed" the Touch pro when they have the same processor and the Pro has more RAM. Is there some aspect of the hardware where they differ that I'm overlooking (did the 128MB of "extra RAM" for the graphics turn out true?)
Or is it more a matter of superior drivers? If so is the possibility of porting Xperia drivers to the Pro open? I'm still see-sawing between Xperia and Touch pro. My initial call was to take the "hit" in inferior screen for far superior Keyboard and TV-out and get a TP along pay extra for an extended battery, but it seems the more I read the less clear it gets (especially when I see some of the issues the Touch Pro has on its board).
It seems every day I read something that changes my mind, lol.
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Buy my Touch Pro - got it back from repaircenter today and ouch - it feels cheap, slow and ugly compared to the Xperia after using the Xperia for some time now Was thinking of keeping it as substitute for my Iphone but I don´t even wanna use it anymore

easycure1974 said:
Buy my Touch Pro - got it back from repaircenter today and ouch - it feels cheap, slow and ugly compared to the Xperia after using the Xperia for some time now Was thinking of keeping it as substitute for my Iphone but I don´t even wanna use it anymore
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How much?

And yes, I only can say it again and again: Why did they do not write they played with a prototype? On the picture without battery one clearly can see (if you know how it is written and easier if you have seen it before): Prototype build PQ2 and the nect line: Prototype not for sale
I don't know how far the prototype reaches the end-build, but there is written prototype!

chalid said:
How much?
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I am selling it for 4000:- Swedish kronor with car mount, 8 GB memorycard, two wallchargers and one carcharger Hardly used, had it two weeks untill it died and then it took four weeks to get it back from HTC - they really suck on support

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Well im pretty sure the graphics ram amount is true because it is faster then the touch pro without a doubt. Just starting up is faster then the touch pro. If not htc/sonyericsson just implemented the hardware better in the x1. Now im just waiting for a proper touchflo 3d release for the x1 then i wont even look at the htc phones for awhile

For how long has the german version been out?
p.s. and why is it without memory card?

The review is generally very positive for the Xperia.
But also a few things that are not quite right.
**"Aluminum Contruction". What? All specs call for Steel.
**"No 3D support". That's ridiculous. The Qualcomm chip has one of the best 2d/3d hardware/drivers support in the Industry. Check the video info in qualcomm's data sheet (bit longer to load, please wait....)
http://www.datasheetpro.com/817053_download_MSM7200_datasheet.html
**The panels takes up to 4secs. -- They have a proto with an old ROM. Latest videos feels smooth and quick.
**"Faster than Diamond & Pro." This one I believe them. Why? fine built vs cheap built. For example: same 3.2 mp camera but they explained why Xperia's is better. But definitely what can make a big difference is the better and faster graphics, so apps don't stay iddle while waiting for display to be done. They even compare with iPhone :
..."the highly sensitive touch screen can only be with the Apple iPhone 3G compare."
They praised the bigger keys and better layout of the keyboard. I like that.
I love the final sentence:
..."Thereafter, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1, without doubt to a new reference, to which all others must be measured."...
YEAH!!

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**"No 3D support". That's ridiculous. The Qualcomm chip has one of the best 2d/3d hardware/drivers support in the Industry. Check the video info in qualcomm's data sheet (bit longer to load, please wait....)
http://www.datasheetpro.com/817053_download_MSM7200_datasheet.html
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Are you kidding? And you trust all those BS on the paper? You better do some more research like http://www.htcclassaction.org/. So far, Qualcomm CPU is the worst (compare to Intel Xscale and Samsung) in any 2D/3D benchmark on all the pda I have.

Dissection - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/10/22/video-sony-ericssons-xperia-x1-gets-white-glove-dissection/

Blackstone or Raphael? Thoughts...

The time has come to relegate my trusty Hermes to the nearest bin. This means - upgrade time.
Now, unlike some of you, I do not have the luxury of trying out both of these to make up my mind. So, I'd like to hear some thoughts on those of you who has had to give up their Touch Pro keyboards for the more clumsy Touch HD on-screen text input.
Getting the Touch HD is a no brainer in every way, except one. I can't imagine giving up my sliding keyboard. Yes, I'm currently leaning towards getting the Touch Pro.
Thoughts? rants & raves? and shuttefu%^&up about iphones please.

As an owner of both I say get the HD. I loved my Raphael so dont get me wrong. I do a decent amount of typing and the HD keyboard seems very responsive. If you are doing a ton of typing there is really no substitute for a hard keyboard but the HD isnt far off. Out of the box the HD runs much better than the raphael did but there are plenty of custom ROMs out there that solve this for the raphael so not really an issue. One plus abotu the raphael is that there are tons of customizations but youc an expet that from the HD cookers out there in the coming weeks.
Again, i say get the HD. Its hard ot beat the screen on it and typing is actually pretty easy. I like the power button and volume buttons more on the HD as well. you dont accidently press them the way you will on the raphael. The other buttons on the HD are really nice as well because they do not actually press like the raphael does. It gives a little vibrate when you press them which is a suprisingly great feature. Oh yeah, don forget about the 5mp camera. It takes wonderful pics as long as you are in decent light.
Lastly, everyone that has seen my HD is blown away. When they saw my raphael they mostly said "thats nice, a little too think for me but nice"

mallman said:
As an owner of both I say get the HD. I loved my Raphael so dont get me wrong. I do a decent amount of typing and the HD keyboard seems very responsive. If you are doing a ton of typing there is really no substitute for a hard keyboard but the HD isnt far off. Out of the box the HD runs much better than the raphael did but there are plenty of custom ROMs out there that solve this for the raphael so not really an issue. One plus abotu the raphael is that there are tons of customizations but youc an expet that from the HD cookers out there in the coming weeks.
Again, i say get the HD. Its hard ot beat the screen on it and typing is actually pretty easy. I like the power button and volume buttons more on the HD as well. you dont accidently press them the way you will on the raphael. The other buttons on the HD are really nice as well because they do not actually press like the raphael does. It gives a little vibrate when you press them which is a suprisingly great feature. Oh yeah, don forget about the 5mp camera. It takes wonderful pics as long as you are in decent light.
Lastly, everyone that has seen my HD is blown away. When they saw my raphael they mostly said "thats nice, a little too think for me but nice"
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WOW the most usefull review of all
thx again, and when my back account allow it , I might buy HD

I've still have my Touch Pro. I opted to buy the Touch HD for one big reason...Screen size bigger than the iPhone on a WM device! I'm tired of dealing with the limited space of a 2.8" screen. I've always been a fan of hardware keyboards, but the Touch HD has a nice virtual keyboard and with a program like gyrator 2 or gsen you can rotate your HD into landscape and stretch out the virtual keyboard for more room.
Also the GPS performance is better on the Touch HD.....the Touch Pro and Diamonds performance is crappy..its lags way too much and takes longer to get a fix. Now the AT&T Fuze may have this solved, but unless you have AT&T and live in the US its not really an option.
I think for any one who has been lusting over the idea of having an iPhone, but would never give up Windows Mobile can now rest at ease.
Just my two cents.

I have also used both, and I can say , on any given day , I would take HD.
HD screen is the best thing and the keyboard is also very good on it.Once , the custom roms comes from the likes of senior people like Dutty , Panosha and others, I am sure the HD will fly like a rocket.
Go for HD. I sold my rapheal already.

utvol06 said:
I've still have my Touch Pro. I opted to buy the Touch HD for one big reason...Screen size bigger than the iPhone on a WM device! I'm tired of dealing with the limited space of a 2.8" screen. I've always been a fan of hardware keyboards, but the Touch HD has a nice virtual keyboard and with a program like gyrator 2 or gsen you can rotate your HD into landscape and stretch out the virtual keyboard for more room.
Also the GPS performance is better on the Touch HD.....the Touch Pro and Diamonds performance is crappy..its lags way too much and takes longer to get a fix. Now the AT&T Fuze may have this solved, but unless you have AT&T and live in the US its not really an option.
I think for any one who has been lusting over the idea of having an iPhone, but would never give up Windows Mobile can now rest at ease.
Just my two cents.
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Now that you have the HD could you compare the GPS performance with Touch Pro?
Give us numbers.... How many seconds to get a fix and the GPS "lag".

speed200 said:
Now that you have the HD could you compare the GPS performance with Touch Pro?
Give us numbers.... How many seconds to get a fix and the GPS "lag".
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I'll report after testing this afternoon.

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I'll report after testing this afternoon.
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Thank you, all of us will be awaiting for it.
Best regards.

In the last 3 months, I have owned a Diamond, Raphael and an HD. The Diamond came first and was lovely to use but the screen was too small to type effectively. So I bought a Raphael - which i used for work but it was just too thick - it ruins the cut of a suit!
Then along came the HD. The screen is just beautiful. Crucially, it is also large enough to type effectively. Don't get me wrong, it is not as effective as typing on a keyboard (such as on the Raphael) but unless you're doing a lot of typing, that doesn't matter. I still do a reasonable amount of email and the screen keyboard on the HD is large enough to cope.
The HD also runs more responsively than the Diamond or Raph. It doesn't suffer the Raph's GPS lag (I never had lag on the Diamond). And did I mention that screen???!!!
Disappointments with the HD? Not many yet. The camera is unquestionably way too slow and nowhere near as good as, eg, the N95 (which my wife has). The lack of D-Pad takes a bit of getting used to but all it really means is getting used to a different way of working as we're all so used to the DPad. I haven't yet found any software where it causes a major problem.
My final answer? Both my Raph and my Diamond are on ebay right now.

dito
yeah, my tilt and fuze have both sold on Ebay, I like my Touch HD. I am looking forward to using a different onscreen keyboard than the one provided in the stock ROM. I don't like that they wasted space by putting directional buttons on the right hand side. There is one available on a particular ROM downloaded from this site, but i suspect there will be more WVGA keyboards. I used to have a 6600 which had like a 3" screen or something, a wee bit larger than the tilt and that was a really nice phone actually, it just lacked the new juicier hardware. The Touch HD really brings out the sexy in HTC. No overweight short, fat, ugly phone, its tall and sleek and slim and sexy, lol! Just another thought: The Touch Pro can be had for about $500 without a contract and even FREE with a contract if you pull the right strings! However, the Touch HD is nearly $800 and there is no ifs ands or buts about it. You gotta pay for the best and its not really supported by AT&T or the retailers that sell it here in the US and is only barely supported by HTC in US. And, the insurance companies dont know much about it. All this makes for a riskier investment especially considering that some peoples HD vibrate breaks and they have to send it back . (moment of silence please). Yeah its a little scary for me right now. I think I might have it under control! If I were you and I had wee bit of money, I would go for the HD, its what the really cool people have, lol
Just a few thoughts,
Levi

I had a very cherished Tytn II (kaiser) before the recent HD.
I was really excited about the huge screen and higher resolution but the lack of a hard keyboard really put me off. Another huge aspect that put me off was the fract that straight out of the box you cant rotate to landscape mode. I've had my tytn ii in landscape mode permenantly for ever a year now and thats how I like it. The optical layout is very similar to wide screen TVs and monitors. Any how, I found a way to keep it in landscapde mode (look for my thread called landscape view +solved+.
I tried typing in full qwerty and compact qwerty mode in portrait screen but it just wasnt the same (or even close) to a large keyboard. So I resorted to trying to type in landscapde mode using full qwerty and it was just as good as the tytn ii keyboard. Snailslug's wonderful app called touch response made it even better. His app added little vibration feedback (haptic I believe is the term) to touching the screen. So using the virtual keyboard is much more predictable if you can imagine.

.VIBE said:
The time has come to relegate my trusty Hermes to the nearest bin. This means - upgrade time.
Now, unlike some of you, I do not have the luxury of trying out both of these to make up my mind. So, I'd like to hear some thoughts on those of you who has had to give up their Touch Pro keyboards for the more clumsy Touch HD on-screen text input.
Getting the Touch HD is a no brainer in every way, except one. I can't imagine giving up my sliding keyboard. Yes, I'm currently leaning towards getting the Touch Pro.
Thoughts? rants & raves? and shuttefu%^&up about iphones please.
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I have tested both and I can say, being a Universal Super keyboard user, that HD is almost perfect but the lack of physical keyboard stop me to buy it, a Physical Kb will never be beaten for any fantastic on screen virtual Kb.
So if I had to decide for any of those being the only options I would choose Touch Pro because the Kb, even with that fantastic super screen of the HD.
Or dreaming a little bit I would wait for the upcoming HD touch Pro....
Iphone? Never in my life!!

I've had both on hand: Touch PRO and HD. And now i am really satisfied with HD compared to what I've been with Raphael. I've been considered so much before change from Raph to HD. I'd been with Raph for a month and swapped with many ROMs and radios (only Raphael radio) before making a decision to switch to HD... Beyond all of Raphael's pros is its crappy BATTERY LIFE
It only lasts for a day with full charge on my usage (compared to the same usage with HD). The GPS is so bad, could not fix as fast as my Polaris.
I have to say I'm really disappointed with Raph as I thought it could be another king replaced for the Kaiser...
Go to HD then you will have no regret and waste !

as a TyTN owner.. i thought of getting a raphael.. but looking at them.. they dont have many differences.. ok the vga screen.. the looks etc.. overall though its the exact same device pumped up..
besides.. im a more of a techie gadget guy.. the raphael doesnt come close to the HD from my point of view.. the raphael is a more bussiness man type of device rather the HD is the more
show off device.. get the HD you wont regret it!
cheers!

I too have upgraded from a Kaiser to the Touch HD.
Bit of a no-brainer for me as I found I hardly ever used the slide-out keyboard on the Kaiser. The basic WM keyboard has always been a fast method of entering text for me, particularly with the help of predicitve text and gesture recognition.
Spb Keyboard is meeting my needs for basic text entry on the HD. If I need to do a serious amount of text entry the stylus comes out and I use the standard WM keyboard again. With practise I think this is a pretty fast and accurate way of entering text.
Just in case it hasn't sunk in (!), the screen on the HD is FANTASTIC! Web browsing is excellent. The extra screen space and resolution is also fantastic in Pocket Informant agenda view. And mobile shell is great on the bigger screen.
As someone's said above, lack of D-pad is an issue to start with but only because you have to re-learn how to use your favourite programmes. After a while it's fine.
Setting up haptic feedback is a good thing.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what WinMo developers will do next year to tweak their software for the HD. It's good at the moment but could be more finger-friendly in places. Eg I know the next version of Pocket Informant will be more finger-friendly. Hopefully other developers will head in this direction too.

What about US 3G on ATT...
blacksage said:
...its not really supported by AT&T or the retailers that sell it here in the US and is only barely supported by HTC in US....
Just a few thoughts,
Levi
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According to the service manual (http://mikechannon.net/PDF%20Manuals/HTC_Blackstone_Service_Manual.pdf) the US ATT 850 and 1900 HSDPA/UMTS bands are supported.
The original specs showed no support for these bands -- but now????
Are you getting 3G speeds in the US???

HTC HD vs Xperia X1

Guys !! I need your advice, I wanna buy a new WM....
I'm confused between these two!!! HD has a lovely big screen and Xperia has small screen but nice keyboard.
please ADVICE
Currently i got Samsung OMNIA
Thanks in advanced

Depends how much you text.

Very hard decicion - I have both and I can not say wich one is better.
The sony is much faster and the display is better ( but smaller ).
The camera is better, too.
The keyboard - sometimes I like it but sometimes I hate it. How can SE make asilver keyboard with white light ? It is unreadable most of the time.
The HD is looking very good, The Camera is bad - no photolight.
The display is not as bright as the x1 but the size is just perfect. In that point the best display on the market.
So I can not say

69reichertm said:
Very hard decicion - I have both and I can not say wich one is better.
The sony is much faster and the display is better ( but smaller ).
The camera is better, too.
The keyboard - sometimes I like it but sometimes I hate it. How can SE make asilver keyboard with white light ? It is unreadable most of the time.
The HD is looking very good, The Camera is bad - no photolight.
The display is not as bright as the x1 but the size is just perfect. In that point the best display on the market.
So I can not say
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Saying that the Xperia X1 is much faster than the TouchHD is definetly exxagerated.

What about watching movies is it clear enough?
what do you mean by the display is better in Sony? does this mean the HD has a bad screen? i understood that both got 800X480

I saw the X1 for the first time for real at a Phone4U (dummy model).
It was smaller than I thought. I tried the keyboard out - was probably OK.

I had the X1 before and have to say that the keyboard is not that good as everybody expect.u have not that feedback from the keys while pressing.
Screen is a big plus for HD and also no slider so u have one part less which can be damaged

sorry - with meaning much faster - but I have both next to me and working a whole day the x1 feels much faster and smoother - I do not know why
I had an own threat asking why but nobody could help me
it is not a benchmarking feeling - it is a subjective view
sounds mad but the htc devices sometimes make pause for a short moment and the x1 just works like all winmo devices with pros and cons

HD better
Having owned an Xperia and owning an HD now I can say I much prefer the HD now. Yes the keyboard is nice but the HD has arrow keys that the keyboard (german which I had) of the X1 is missing. To reposition the cursor quickly on the X1 you have to use the much smaller touchscreen, only really feasible by stylus. All buttons etc are really small, stylus type. There is a Touchflo Rip running on there, but it's not fully functional yet afaik.
I finally decided to return the X1 when, after a reset that was forced by the panels app being crashed rendering the phone unusable, a tiny piece of casing plastik broke off.
The cam of the X1 is NOT better from my experience. video is much better on the HD as it has 0.8 inches more screen space.
DIVX is choppy in Coreplayer 1.2.3 from my experience.
Overall in terms of design, the HD is more designed for finger-use, while the X1 is more keyboard & stylus.
And I just used pocketputty, I'm as fast on the HD as I'm on the X1. If you want enjoyable video, prefer the HD for screen size...

I forget to say
THE TOUCH HD and the SE XPERIA 1 are definitly the bost absolutly BEST
Windows Mobile Devices I ever had
so my critic is at a high level
I love both devices - they are good
the only competitor they have is the iPhone
all Nokia and Samsung Devices are far beyond ( sorry I can not say anything about RIM Devices because i do not like the RIM System )

I ask myself why the Touch HD can not record Videos with VGA like the X1.
I know there was a threat about that on the Touch Pro.
Can anybody tell me if the X1 and HD have the same CPU and is there is a patch for the HD to record 640x480 Video over the Cam ?

In fact i need Text for email using ActiveSync and also i want to use the large screen for videos

An Urgent Question About the Awesome HD MINI's Screen

Hi everybody..
I have been considering buying this wonderful device but during my looking into the specifications I noticed this new strange resolution 320x480 HVGA which is the first time for me to come across this type of screen!
My question is, after your experience with this device, have you encountered any problems which are due to this specific type of screen? either on the level of program compatibility, which is most important, or any other problems?
The device is just the hit for me but this screen thing is holding my hand
Thank you in advance..

Yes, of course, some applications do not run, especially alternative keyboards such SlideIT.
Nevertheless most of them work just fine.
If you use specific legacy application, post a question on this forum to know if it works or if there are some alternative ones.
For example, I used in the past TomTom Collins French english dictionnary. This worked well on Diamond, but no way on HD mini. I had to change to slovoed that work fine, even if I like less the UI.

Thank you for your reply..
It's good news that MOST of the applications have no problem running on this device
Ok - of course there are many applications I want to make sure of before buying but some are essential and some are not so I'll ask about some programs that are of importance to me:
1) iGo for navigation
2) Navigon
3) Mobipocket Reader << this is the most important program in my Diamond right now so it has to work properly

No answer!

Have some patience!
iGO8- there are 2 threads on this, and there are ways to get it to work
Navigon: No idea
Mobipocket: No problem at all here- one of my most used programs!

Thank you NeilM
Well, so far so good, but need to make sure of other programs which I might mention here to make sure they work..
I just don't get it, why would HTC use such a screen? Is there any specialty that I should know about? Why not just use a WVGA or at least a normal VGA if that'll cost them much
Pardon me for my ignorance I have my history with PPCs but lately I wasn't up-to-date with the new ones

I think it is market economics. A number of Android devices also use HVGA so the same basic screen can be used across a range of phones.
Also WVGA and HVGA are both widescreen format which suits current usage patterns of video etc.
A less power hungry screen is a definite advantage in a smaller device. I don' t find the display any less usable than my HD2 in normal use, though I did need to use a registry editor to enable Cleartype, without which text is very poor; for some reason O2 have disabled the control panel for this.

NeilM said:
I think it is market economics
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The rule says: NEVER produce a perfect device << well, maybe it's not a disadvantage to have this screen but temporarily with the compatibility issues, it's really annoying!
Ok, I want to ask you as a user of HD MINI, how do you find the screen in terms of clarity, brightness, accuracy? How do you compare it with the Diamond's << I love that screen - I mean I understand the MINI is 3.2 inch whereas the Diamond is 2.8 inch so does this H in HVGA has a noticeable effect on the screen compared to its size?
Thank you for the information

As a previous Diamond user I have to say for me the HD Mini is much better. Obviously it is capacitive/multi touch which makes it very different in use, but the extra size makes a big difference.
OK, maybe icons and graphics are a little less definitive at the edges but it doesn't affect everyday use.
Personally I think VGA on a very small screen is pointless as text can be too small to read and web pages are very small, so HVGA is an improvement.

It seems that will be the new trend on Windows phone 7 and ohter phones (android, Iphone).
HVGA for small and WVGA for big screens. It is effectively strange, because it is even not the same aspect ratio.

NeilM,
Of course it's better if you look at it this way; capactive/multi-touch screen, but if you look at the other side which is the definition, you'll find that:
HD MINI: 480x320 + bigger screen = less picture quality
Diamond: 480x640 + smaller screen = more picture quality
Theoretically, I prefer having smaller screen with better definition rather than bigger one with worse definition, but I wouldn't base my decision now without testing it in reality - maybe I'll like it!
And as you said before that you use mobipocket, you need bigger screen and you'll sacrifice the quality for that, but, me, the cleartype matters alot to me
Honestly, I see a screen with the size 3.2 inch as the best typical size for me, but, more importantly, it should have a suitable definition too
Again, H in HVGA stands for what?! I don't think it's for "high"

moscard
I don't think so - unless they want to go back!
I mean why not use a normal VGA, for example, for a device they think it should be a revolution in phone market?!
I might be missing something here, but is there a problem in using VGA with capactive/multi-touch screens?
Why use less resolution while you should use more!
I hate these companies!
Thank you both

- H : I suppose is for Half 320 instead on 640
- I used Diamond for two years, and I prefer HD mini screen, the smaller resolution is not really an issue, but the bigger screen is really more confortable. In addition it runs a lot faster and all the things are more reactive, especitially for phone functions. The sound is better as well.
- Just a remark vs Diamond, HD mini do not have front camera anymore. For me is not an issue but it could be.

Bright Neon said:
moscard
I don't think so - unless they want to go back!
I mean why not use a normal VGA, for example, for a device they think it should be a revolution in phone market?!
I might be missing something here, but is there a problem in using VGA with capactive/multi-touch screens?
Why use less resolution while you should use more!
I hate these companies!
Thank you both
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I hope you're right, but most of companies are trying to standardise anything... screen resolution as well. What I do not understand, is why they choose two resolution with diferent aspect ratio. With same aspect ratio it would be simpler to disign software apps.

Yes- HVGA is Half VGA, ie 480*320
The aspect ratio of VGA and QVGA is 4:3, which is the standard 'square screen' ratio
WVGA and HVGA are 15:9 and 15:10 respectively which are near enough both the standard widescreen resolution.
There is no doubt that both increasing the screen size and decreasing the resolution should have an adverse effect on overall resolution, but my experience of the HD Mini is thta this is mitigated by the better overall quality of the screen, regardless of resolution.
Maybe if I were 20 years younger with perfect eyesight, I might have a different view!
The effect on device responsiveness using a lower resolution is marked though: 600MHz running HVGA is much faster than 524MHz running VGA ! Going back to the Diamond makes it feel so sluggish and unresponsive compared to the HD Mini and HD2.

Not happy with the HTC HD Mini
Just a quick feedback since I am playing around with a HTC HD Mini for a while now. Its my Girlfriends and has a broken screen so I get the chance play around until I replaced the screen. My personal experience is that this device is "horrible". Bad quality screen (I used it also before it had a broken screen ), compatibility is very limited (Custom stuff like XDA Mods not as much bought Apps) further more the Touch sensitve buttons are horrible to accidentaly hit them. Maybe I am just spoiled with the HD2 but I feel there are allot of trade-off's for the smaller form factor. But the worst thing all the nice XDA stuff will probaly never support this resolution since its preaty much the only device with it. (Windows Mobile atleast) Tried Cookie and MaxSense Mod on the HTC Mini without luck. Resolution problems.
PS: Anyone ever found disassembly instructions for the HTC HD Mini? I can find it for any other phone but not the HD Mini. There were just not enough sold to pros. I guess a good phone for Woman and iPhone users.

Encountered very few problems with this resolution. Especially for the newer free apps. Problems arises only in some old apps which either support only QVGA or VGA. But most certainly, you won't want to install such old apps in this shiny new colorful gadget.
For me, the Sense improvements to the UI, and WinMo 6.5.3's own improvements have eliminated my dependent on many of the old apps. I ended up installing less apps. Mostly new one i found reading thru the forums here.
Most of the only old apps i had to carry over from my old WinMo 6.1 are the dictionaries and translators. One of my favorite translators, HNHSoft Eng-Chn Dict, works poorly with HVGA resolution. Nevertheless, still usable. Fortunately, another from my old collection, WM-DICT 2.0, which worked poorly in 6.1 QVGA, turns out to be a great performer in 6.5.3 HVGA. So in reality, i lose one and win one, makes like i didn't lose anything at all.

I'd agree on the compatibility- almost all programs I've tried work fine. The only exceptions are TouchPal keyboard and 1-2 Remote.
1-2 Remote was poor on the HD2 as well as it's designed for QVGA and the skins are not optimised for other resolutions.
WM6.5.3 in its native form here, plus the current version of HTC Sense is a lot more stable than the native WM6.5 on the HD2 and any of the custom ROMs.
If you correctly tweak the screen (enabling Cleartype) it is very good indeed- can't understand the comment about it being poor- maybe it was faulty from the start if it failed later?
Having come from both a Diamond and HD2 I'm very satisfied with the HD Mini though I do find the screen 'touch' accuracy including the 'touch' buttons to need some getting used to. Switching the 'Touch Input' to 'Compact QUERTY' makes typing very much easier with XT9 turned on