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X1 vs Touch Pro

Think there are a lot of people out there who have been considering between the 2, and with Touch Pro out (it just released over the weekend here in Singapore) and X1 still yet to have a 100% confirmed released date (still wondering if October's a confirmed date, and even then, whether as the case of Touch Pro, it'd be released even later here), a lot of people have been getting the Touch Pro instead. I myself am really tempted to do so too, but there's still that little bit that's holding me back to get the X1. Thing is there's so many points about the Touch Pro that seemingly give it an edge over the X1.
X1:
* WVGA (this a pro or a con?)
* Larger screen (but 'non standard' screen size that might cause some apps to not work)
* 4 row and supposedly crappier keypad (though good in that the keys are more spaced out)
* 3.5mm audio jack (which doesn't matter to me)
* Better video playback (or am I wrong)
* Slightly thinner and lighter
* Higher capacity battery (1500 vs 1340 mAh for Touch Pro)
* Metal casing
* Possibility of SE splitting (meaning loss in support?)
Touch Pro
* VGA
* 'Standard' screen size that 3rd party apps are built for
* 5 row and supposedly better keypad
* TV out (doesn't quite matter to me either)
* Accelerometer (till now no confirmation whether X1 has)
* Higher RAM (288 vs 256MB in X1)
* Slightly smaller
* Plastic casing
* Larger support community (whether X1 will have one remains to be seen)
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Correct me if I've got any point wrong. Lookswise I used to think the X1 looked better, but until lately was starting to feel it looked worse and worse, though most recent videos kinda made me change my mind again (ya... I am just so fickle-minded)
Anyway, what do you all think? Don't wish to be getting the Touch Pro and regret not waiting for the X1 to be out to do an actual comparison. Or is there anyone who has tried both (probably test set of X1) and able to comment on points like the keypad and running of 3rd party apps?
Btw, reason I'm posting this here rather than in other forums that I visit is cos there seem to be more people here with test units and so was hoping to get more opinions here.

Hmmm a good post! Couple of things I would like to say...
You say:
* Possibility of SE splitting (meaning loss in support?)
I have not heard this, would you or anyone like to expand on this?
* Higher RAM (288 vs 256MB in X1)
From what I can gather from other threads this could just be the way HTC has tried to make it look like the Touch Pro has more memory by including 32MB of memory from somewhere else in the device.
* Larger support community (whether X1 will have one remains to be seen)
Like you said I think we will have to wait on this one, the only reason the Touch Pro has more support is because it is actually out now! Any phone that is on this website has MASSIVE community support, which is one of the main reasons this is one of the best websites I know for phones, and is one of the main reasons i will (mostly) always choose a HTC built device!
One thing that annoys me is that a company will give a release date for a phone but the phone wont be available to the average joe, like me,(by that I mean someone who doesnt want to pay nearly half a months wages for a phone i.e. £500+) for perhaps 1-2 months after its stated release date!
As you can tell I want either phone, im just waiting till they com out on the major UK networks so I can:
a) get them for a reasonable price, if not free
b) actually play with them before I choose which one to get!
I am sacraficing a 5MP camera for a QWERTY keyboard as I use the internet on my phone a lot. Therefore I am leaning towards the Xperia X1 as it has a larger screen.
Any help would be appreciated in this matter

Great post. Hope it gets the response it deserves, cos im in exactly the same predicament.
One thing i keep reading, is that the X1 is the best choice for multimedia.
I dont exactly see what is meant by that, looking at both spec sheets, except for the bigger screen res.
I am led to believe that the SE media player app is not yet present on the X1.
Anyone with a proto, please step up to the keyboard! your input is needed.
The few people i have identified as having X1 protos, seem to be very reserved about what they give away.
This is probably to do with the SE police.
Heres hoping that the SE webcast scheduled for 15th Sept will be the release info for X1, and all info can then be talked about openly.
My preference would be X1, but i would have no problem owning a touch pro.

vinokirk said:
You say:
* Possibility of SE splitting (meaning loss in support?)
I have not heard this, would you or anyone like to expand on this?
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Sony CEO considering dumping Ericsson for sucking so much at mobile phone business lately
Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 will be the last Windws Mobile phone from Sony Ericsson
Anyway, what makes me even more in a rush to decide between the X1 and Touch Pro is cos the Touch Pro is out with a promotional (2-year) contract price of SGD788 (approximately USD548) till this coming Friday. Actual price is supposedly SGD988 (approximately USD688).

X1 for me
The pro is a great increment over the TyTNII ...
But as most people probably experience ... VGA is really only a prettifier over QVGA ... it doesn't give you much real extra screen estate (if any) with most apps.
WVGA on the other hand makes a tremendous difference (from web browsing to today screen to Softmaker Office to CoPilot).
I tried it for the first time with the G900 and all my apps worked and all but one filled the screen properly ....
The X1 screen should therefore be a dramatic improvement on the Pro.
Also ... the Camera and Radio are SE parts ... not HTC and as such will be like most SE phones. This means the camera will perform more like decent SE devices and video at 30fps should be like the N95 ... which means I can get away with one phone at long last.
The N95 radio was rubbish ... this should be a good one.
Those things alone should make this standout a lot from the Pro.

I like to add the
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optical joystick for scrolling
touch screen focus
vga video recording
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navigation wheel
the touch sensitive button for focus doesn't even work half the time
While they both have qwerty, I didn't like how each roll of keys directly line up above the next row on the Touch Pro vs the its offset by half a key on the next row on the Xperia. And there is no gaps/spacing between the keys on the htc either.
In the end I only got the Touch Pro because it was out first and I know HTC does Windows Mobile for a living while I was concerned it might have been a one time thing for SE.

Interesting Ipporek, I was unaware of this! Which leads me onto htcplussony's comment abut the X1 being a one time thing, whereas HTC have been churning out WinMo devices for years and hopefully will continue to do so.
I do like the TouchFlo3D of the Touch Pro, is it likely to be 'ported' over to the X1 and if it is, will it fit nicely with the larger screen/resolution, and will it run fine or crash/make the system slower!? Only time will tell with that one i suppose.

Also: not only has the X1 battery a higher capacity, it's a Li-Po battery (whereas the Pro has a Li-Ion battery). Li-Po batteries can hold much more energy. Keeping that in mind, the battery should last much longer on an X1 than on a Pro.
I also firmly believe the X1 will be much more innovative. HTC has already established its position in the pda-phone market, whereas this is SE's first step towards a more business market. They have the neccessary expertise to be able to pull it off however, and I have no doubt that they have not left anything that could be improved untouched. Not only does SE have to innovate and come with new and interesting approaches, HTC hardly can innovate. They have already established their reputation, and they can not drastically change their course or they would lose a lot of users. As an example, we see the Xperia panel interface, it's a whole new approach taken, and I'm quite confident there will be a lot more different little innovations inside.

Ultimately for me it's 2 major concerns (which I mentioned earlier):
1. Is the keyboard of the X1 really as bad as it's being said to be? Unless the production set actually has some improvement in this area over the test sets, it might be a big issue (or at least for me).
2. Will there be a lot of apps that do not work with the X1 cos of the size/resolution incompatibility?
Lack of TV out and accelerometer I can live with. The 1 row less of keys that I can live with too (though till now I do kinda find the combination of a black casing and silver keypad weird). And the bigger size doesn't quite bother me (since it's only by a little and the X1 is thinner and lighter). Support community, ya, there's always the possibility that it'll grow. But the 2 points I mentioned above I can't quite ignore though.

Well, perhaps might be able to get the answer to one of my questions myself. Saw someone's post in another forum and realized that the Omnia too has a 'non-standard' resolution. In fact, it's proportionate to X1's (half in fact).
Samsung i900 Omnia - 400 x 240 pixels, 3.2 inches
Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 - 800 x 480 pixels, 3.0 inches
LG KS20 - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Pro - 640 x 480 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Diamond - 640 x 480 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Cruise - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Dual - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.6 inches
HTC Touch - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC TyTN II - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
i-mate Ultimate 9502 - 640 x 480 pixels, 2.8 inches
i-mate Ultimate 8502 - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.6 inches
Palm Treo Pro - 320 x 320 pixels, 2.5 inches
Other phones all seem to have either the standard 640x480 or 320x240 pixels resolution (well, except for the Treo Pro).
So would that mean that if an application can run properly on Omnia, it can run on the X1 too?

After seeing the website for the upcoming webcast and this Johnny X trailer, I can't help but feel that X1's more of a mass audience, entertainment-oriented phone as compared to Touch Pro which would be more of a business-oriented phone targetted more towards the more tech-savvy crowd.

I really wonder why nobody cares about reception / signal strength. For me it's quite the key-feature of a phone and the 3G reception of the Touch Pro is not very good.
I really would like to know if the X1 reception is better, because I use a lot of data transfers so it's essential for me.
I'm not quite sure if the Touch Pro can be really considered as a business devices because of reception problems.

Well, with the X1's release date being announced, it's making me wondering even more whether to hold back (on getting the Touch Pro).

HW Accelerated ?
Does someone know if X1 has 3D Hardware acceleration ?

So much uncertainties about the X1's specs eventhough it's near release. 3D hardware acceleration, accelerometer...

3D hardware acceleration is stated in the white paper..

Sep 30 it is. But where is Hong Kong.

X1 reception likely better than Touch Pro
foo said:
I really wonder why nobody cares about reception / signal strength. For me it's quite the key-feature of a phone and the 3G reception of the Touch Pro is not very good.
I really would like to know if the X1 reception is better, because I use a lot of data transfers so it's essential for me.
I'm not quite sure if the Touch Pro can be really considered as a business devices because of reception problems.
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The main reason for this is that HTC Touch Pro is Dual Band 900/2100 UMTS/HSDPA. The HTC TyTN II was Tri-Band 900/1900/2100. The Xperia will have similar reception to the TyTN II, definitely much much better than Touch Pro.

jeeves5454 said:
The main reason for this is that HTC Touch Pro is Dual Band 900/2100 UMTS/HSDPA. The HTC TyTN II was Tri-Band 900/1900/2100. The Xperia will have similar reception to the TyTN II, definitely much much better than Touch Pro.
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I hope you're right. Skipped the Touch Pro because of weak 3G signal, but now it's really time for a new toy, so hopefully the reception of the X1 will be good.

For me it will be all about the support that this site gives the X1 to be honest because you can have the best phone in the world but without them custom programs / roms you will soon get bored with it, trust me

Touch HD vs. Xperia - A non-professional view

The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile. That alone should determine your choice... but considering you want to go into depth:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
2. When it comes to Screen, though both have the same resolution, Touch HD gives you a bigger display with its 3.8 inch screen over the 3 inch Xperia screen.
3. In regard to camera, the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia. However, if one thing Sony Ericsson knows best, it is its Camera... so i can pretty much say that Xperia's 3.2 MP camera would be enough to take on the Touch HD 5 MP camera. Video recording is in both, and most likely Touch HD will match the recording capabilties in terms of resolution with Xperia - but again Camera quality of Sony is expected to be better. Both devices have Touch Focus as well... but one other thing to note is that Touch HD has no camera flash!
4. Main interface - Touch Flo 3d is superb looking. But Xperia Panels are not behind. Though Touch Flo 3D is shiny and extremely attractive, it lacks big time in customization. With Panels, customization is the key... and with time as developers start releasing new panels, we will probably see some really awesome stuff in terms of functionaity as well looks. Not to mention, the way you switch panel mode (fan, side-by-side, etc.) is nothing short. So if you are one who loves to have the possibility of as much customization as possible, like me, then Xperia wins here. And in my opinion, in terms of functionality and extendibility Xperia again wins here.
5. Battery - Xperia carries a bigger battery than Touch HD. Though how much time each will provide, we can't say for sure at this point...
6. Manufacturer - HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device.
7. 3G Reception - Foo, a senior member here at XDA Developers has brought to my attention that Touch Pro suffers from poor 3G reception but another member says that this is not the case and that he doesn't face any such problems on his Pro. Considering that HTC has improved Touch HD in various aspects over the pro - bigger screen, higher resolution, better sensitivity to the touch screen, more powerful camera and so on - we will just have to wait and see if the 3G reception in Touch HD is better than Pro or not. As for Xperia, we'll have to wait and confirm for that when it releases.
8. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch HD!
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch HD, but none too major to consider here. (i leaved keyboard out of this as i already put that forward in the first question i asked at the start of this post).
Conclusion: From where I sit, Xperia is a winner with its sexy look (c'mon. it. is. steel!), fully customizable interface (panels), more RAM, Flash on the camera, full stylish qwerty keyboard, and more.
Hope this helps...
And if anyone feels like it, then add to the list anything you want.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.

You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.

sproxy said:
You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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Yes, i did point that tout in the post above... but HTC had more to do with the hardware from a Win Mo point of view... the Camera is something that SE obviously didn't need help from HTC on.
As for actual comparison of picture quality... we'll know for sure in a few days as to how good Xperia's camera actually is. (one picture over at the Xperiancers blog shows it to be really good)!

msalmank said:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246

borce_razor said:
Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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This information is outdated. SE increased the RAM in the meanwhile (most likely due to performance issues) up to 384 MByte RAM which is about 100 MByte more then Touch HD has.
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.

foo said:
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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The reason i did the comparison was because both devices have been compared/questioned side-by-side on various forums now. And i did mention, before making a comparison, that: "The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile."

borce_razor said:
Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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As Foo already pointed out, that page is out-dated. You can do a search in Google on Xperia and 384 MB RAM and you will get tons of news items and blog posts announcing that change in the hardware from a couple of weeks back.

holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!

nap007 said:
holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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One is comparing Touch HD and the other Touch Pro against Xperia...

Here's another compare http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1469&id2=1117. Still HD is my favourite

As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.

Black93300ZX said:
As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
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I'm afraid you should first confirm things yourself. Xperiancers is a blog by SE and here is a quote from their latest blog entry: "The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram"
(if you'd like to see: http://xperiancers.com/ - Name of post is 'Your Xperia Questions Answered')
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Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
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Dude... it's my opinion, if you don't agree then don't, but call me biased at my own expense. I clearly stated that 'the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia', and i am sure many will agree that SE's cameras are one of the best in mobile devices... but i did not declare Xperia a winner over Touch HD but only implied that in my opinion Xperia'll be better. Furthermore - take into account that Touch HD lacks a flash for the camera, it will not perform up to par in certain conditions.
Black93300ZX said:
Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
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Again... user based experience. Another member here mentioned that he faced 3G reception problems, and i put that in. You say it doesn't, i'll put that in as well.
Black93300ZX said:
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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Dude! did you even read what i wrote? I wrote it clear: "HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device."
HTC manufactured Xperia, but it is a SE device and they are the ones who are bringing it out.

i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!

netnerd said:
i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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I'm afraid to add this to the comparison... someone might say something...
I was not aware of this... Maybe they'll add it in the end? or is it confirmed?

I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!

Nyberg said:
I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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TOUCH HD

The comment about the camera is correct. For printing up to A4, anything over 3mp is usually massively outweighed by the lens opening and quality. Small opening ... small amounts of light - causes issues regardless of the CCD or CMOS. It is also correct to suggest that the SE devices have a history of being closer to compact cameras in quality than the toy town stuff you usually get from HTC (I've had loads of HTC devices and love them but the cameras are of little practical use). The other thing worth saying that the X1 will shoot 640x480 video and 30fps like the Nokia E90 and N95. The quality of video of the latter two is almost up to the Hi-8 camcorders (if in good light) which makes them a genuinely useful camcorder alternative. The HD (and all native HTC devices) are still QVGA and the video looks rubbish even on a 2" window on a PC. This should be a huge plus for the X1.
My concerns about the X1 relate to the likely hood that SE won't support and develop the platform. There are many rumours about the Sony and Ericcson relationship as well as the SE / HTC one. Also, Sony will not commit to any future WM devices - infact, it seems they are completely non committal about future OS - UIQ, Android, WM etc. When you look at the P1 issues ... never resolved even after a huge backlash by customers ... it's not promising.
The X1 performance / tuning also worries me. It was announced that there were gfx / video perf issues with 30fps playback very shortly before the release date. They didn't answer any real questions in their pathetic webcast either ... I think there will be fairly horrible issues initially and worry they won't fix them. The added RAM so late in the day may sound positive ... but it shows they don't really know what they are doing. They will have added it because performance was too slow. Do remember that that amount of RAM with WVGA will really cane the battery - a negative which people aren't really considering.
I worry also about the keyboard ... I guess we will have to wait for the first purchasers to confirm either way. These things are enough to stop me pre-ordering when 3 months ago it was a definite purchase for me.
The HD has no keyboard ... I might be able to live without. The problem is more with the lack of button controls. Again, we know very little about it. I would hope HTC would include some kind of soft dpad with dynamic scaling which would allow apps to run VGA on top of the extra screen estate which would have the soft buttons / dpad. If they don't do this, I am very concerned about real day to day use. If they do deliver such a soft key set, then I think it would be almost perfect as long as something else is not missing - like TV-Out ... strangely not detailed ... even though some sites suggest in the spec it is there. The only massive irritation for me is the camera - no flash and no VGA 30fps capture on something this expensive. I was hoping to replace my TyTNII and N95 8GB with a single device .... and it looks like I will still need two - seems like a stupid oversight for such an expensive device. The 3.8" screen may still sway me though. I don't need tiny like lots of people ... as long as I have a decent belt case.
Paul.

two very different devices targeted at different markets, daft trying do a compare on them as one is more of high usage business device the other a low usage media device.
Business or personal
So out of these two, if i wanted a phone to do work on with occasional media usage, id go for the X1, if i wanted something that looked swanky and was a good phone but ultimately a low work usage device then the HD would be it, course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated

dazza9075 said:
course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.

netnerd said:
huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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Oh my god... Did you seriously just say a big issue when making a business oriented phone is having a big screen? That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard. In that case, the Touch HD will be purely for business, because the entire phone is just one huge screen. Big screens = multimedia use... iPhone, Touch HD? I don't think I've ever seen a businessman complain "oh man this screen is too small", if that were the case all businesses would have 42" LCD monitors for their computers.

Xperia X1 Review - Finally, an indepth review!

Hi All,
A rather large review of the XPERIA X1 has been published at German Areamobile. Pretty much the first one to go into such depth as they did.
Although the review is originally written in German, thanks to Google all us non-German speaking/reading folks can have a go at it as well.
http://translate.google.com/transla...e.de/tests/Sony_Ericsson_Xperia_X1/teil_I.php
Major Cons:
1. Flash on the camera is not good.
2. Some panels can take upto 2 to 4 seconds to refresh/load up at times. (He goes on to say in the conclusion that the lag will most likely be improved in a firmware update later)
Some things to note:
1. The reviewer says: "To put it in a nutshell: Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 is faster than HTC Touch Diamond, HTC Touch Pro and Samsung i900 Omnia."
2. He goes on to say: "The touch screen also reacts more sensitive than those competitors." But it is behind Apple iPhone and also HTC Touch HD in terms of screen as well as speed.
Best Regards.

i would say that is true. In other words its the best win mobile phone atm

samme said:
i would say that is true. In other words its the best win mobile phone atm
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I'll probably have to agree with that.

I'm a little baffled how it manages to "outspeed" the Touch pro when they have the same processor and the Pro has more RAM. Is there some aspect of the hardware where they differ that I'm overlooking (did the 128MB of "extra RAM" for the graphics turn out true?)
Or is it more a matter of superior drivers? If so is the possibility of porting Xperia drivers to the Pro open? I'm still see-sawing between Xperia and Touch pro. My initial call was to take the "hit" in inferior screen for far superior Keyboard and TV-out and get a TP along with paying extra for an extended battery, but it seems the more I read the less clear it gets (especially when I see some of the issues the Touch Pro has on its board).
It seems every day I read something that changes my mind, lol.

Zaim2 said:
I'm a little baffled how it manages to "outspeed" the Touch pro when they have the same processor and the Pro has more RAM. Is there some aspect of the hardware where they differ that I'm overlooking (did the 128MB of "extra RAM" for the graphics turn out true?)
Or is it more a matter of superior drivers? If so is the possibility of porting Xperia drivers to the Pro open? I'm still see-sawing between Xperia and Touch pro. My initial call was to take the "hit" in inferior screen for far superior Keyboard and TV-out and get a TP along pay extra for an extended battery, but it seems the more I read the less clear it gets (especially when I see some of the issues the Touch Pro has on its board).
It seems every day I read something that changes my mind, lol.
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Buy my Touch Pro - got it back from repaircenter today and ouch - it feels cheap, slow and ugly compared to the Xperia after using the Xperia for some time now Was thinking of keeping it as substitute for my Iphone but I don´t even wanna use it anymore

easycure1974 said:
Buy my Touch Pro - got it back from repaircenter today and ouch - it feels cheap, slow and ugly compared to the Xperia after using the Xperia for some time now Was thinking of keeping it as substitute for my Iphone but I don´t even wanna use it anymore
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How much?

And yes, I only can say it again and again: Why did they do not write they played with a prototype? On the picture without battery one clearly can see (if you know how it is written and easier if you have seen it before): Prototype build PQ2 and the nect line: Prototype not for sale
I don't know how far the prototype reaches the end-build, but there is written prototype!

chalid said:
How much?
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I am selling it for 4000:- Swedish kronor with car mount, 8 GB memorycard, two wallchargers and one carcharger Hardly used, had it two weeks untill it died and then it took four weeks to get it back from HTC - they really suck on support

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Well im pretty sure the graphics ram amount is true because it is faster then the touch pro without a doubt. Just starting up is faster then the touch pro. If not htc/sonyericsson just implemented the hardware better in the x1. Now im just waiting for a proper touchflo 3d release for the x1 then i wont even look at the htc phones for awhile

For how long has the german version been out?
p.s. and why is it without memory card?

The review is generally very positive for the Xperia.
But also a few things that are not quite right.
**"Aluminum Contruction". What? All specs call for Steel.
**"No 3D support". That's ridiculous. The Qualcomm chip has one of the best 2d/3d hardware/drivers support in the Industry. Check the video info in qualcomm's data sheet (bit longer to load, please wait....)
http://www.datasheetpro.com/817053_download_MSM7200_datasheet.html
**The panels takes up to 4secs. -- They have a proto with an old ROM. Latest videos feels smooth and quick.
**"Faster than Diamond & Pro." This one I believe them. Why? fine built vs cheap built. For example: same 3.2 mp camera but they explained why Xperia's is better. But definitely what can make a big difference is the better and faster graphics, so apps don't stay iddle while waiting for display to be done. They even compare with iPhone :
..."the highly sensitive touch screen can only be with the Apple iPhone 3G compare."
They praised the bigger keys and better layout of the keyboard. I like that.
I love the final sentence:
..."Thereafter, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1, without doubt to a new reference, to which all others must be measured."...
YEAH!!

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**"No 3D support". That's ridiculous. The Qualcomm chip has one of the best 2d/3d hardware/drivers support in the Industry. Check the video info in qualcomm's data sheet (bit longer to load, please wait....)
http://www.datasheetpro.com/817053_download_MSM7200_datasheet.html
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Are you kidding? And you trust all those BS on the paper? You better do some more research like http://www.htcclassaction.org/. So far, Qualcomm CPU is the worst (compare to Intel Xscale and Samsung) in any 2D/3D benchmark on all the pda I have.

Dissection - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/10/22/video-sony-ericssons-xperia-x1-gets-white-glove-dissection/

Blackstone vs Experia...

Some time early next year i will be upgrading my good old Imate Jamin with a new phone... Currently i am considering these 2 phones...
Both are solid build by HTC, both have 800x480 screen.
So what did i find out untill now...
Big beautifull screen vs small beautifull screen.... Blackstone
Nice keyboard vs No keyboard..........................Xperia
Quallcom processor vs Quallcom processor..........Tie
Good 5 Mpix camera vs superb 3.2 Mpix cam.......Tie
Qvga Video vs VGA video at 30 fps....................Xperia
GPS without software vs GPS with pay software...Tie
Touchflow 3D vs Pannels..................................Tie
Motion sensor vs no motion sensor.....................Blackstone
No joystick vs mini joystick and Other buttons......Xperia
So far it comes pretty close to a tie... AS i really like the awesome screen and the motion sensor from the HD, but i will abssolutely miss the keyboard, controll buttons and VGA video...........
Downside of both phones should be their low processing power...
What else can you add to my comparison ?

Lord.Bachus said:
Some time early next year i will be upgrading my good old Imate Jamin with a new phone... Currently i am considering these 2 phones...
Both are solid build by HTC, both have 800x480 screen.
So what did i find out untill now...
Big beautifull screen vs small beautifull screen.... Blackstone
Nice keyboard vs No keyboard..........................Xperia
Quallcom processor vs Quallcom processor..........Tie
Good 5 Mpix camera vs superb 3.2 Mpix cam.......Tie
Qvga Video vs VGA video at 30 fps....................Xperia
GPS without software vs GPS with pay software...Tie
Touchflow 3D vs Pannels..................................Tie
Motion sensor vs no motion sensor.....................Blackstone
No joystick vs mini joystick and Other buttons......Xperia
So far it comes pretty close to a tie... AS i really like the awesome screen and the motion sensor from the HD, but i will abssolutely miss the keyboard, controll buttons and VGA video...........
Downside of both phones should be their low processing power...
What else can you add to my comparison ?
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Design:
Xperia = 3
HD = 10
On that field HD wins easyly, my opinion of course

Screen size - Blackstone
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: ??
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone
Price: Blackstone

NeedAPhone said:
Screen size - Blackstone
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: ??
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone
Price: Blackstone
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Screen size - Blackstone (Big screen easy to use even without stylus, vs X1 where you often have no choice than to work with the stylus.)
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: Blackstone (Simple, effective. just nice and good.)
Performance: Blackstone (Smooth and faster. higher performance [tested by some german reviews]. Vs X1 which is laggy especially where it shouldn't be: on its panels! Up to 4 seconds!! waiting time when switching panels)
Multimedia: Blackstone (Bigger screen -> much nicer to watch movies, and pictures. Better sound quality [tested by german reviewers]. X1 has no equalizer onboard.)
Browsing the net: Blackstone (Again bigger screen -> reading webpages and surfing much more comfortable. X1 doesn't support flash out of the box [maybe same with the Blackstone] but as testet in reviews, it can lead to problems when you try to install flashlite on the X1.)
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone (i prefer slim but wider over, bulky. but thats just peronal at least, slim devices fit more into pockets or bags)
Writing: Blackstone (Now thats really jsut a personal choic. But i prefer a virtual keybord. its just that when i am writing a message, i tend to look on the screen to see what i am doing but when working with a keypad, i have to look on the keys [especially when its hard to feel a differents between the buttos as with the X1 and other phones] Also, adding a keyboard to a phone, makes almost twice the sice [Diamond -> Touch Pro]. And many people who bought such phones, often come to the conclusion that thay don't really use the keyboard most of the time.)

The Xperia will have a specific interface base on SPB mobile shell

Huck33 said:
The Xperia will have a specific interface base on SPB mobile shell
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Yes it is all over youtube, it is one of the many panels.

Raziel1 said:
Screen size - Blackstone (Big screen easy to use even without stylus, vs X1 where you often have no choice than to work with the stylus.)
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: Blackstone (Simple, effective. just nice and good.)
Performance: Blackstone (Smooth and faster. higher performance [tested by some german reviews]. Vs X1 which is laggy especially where it shouldn't be: on its panels! Up to 4 seconds!! waiting time when switching panels)
Multimedia: Blackstone (Bigger screen -> much nicer to watch movies, and pictures. Better sound quality [tested by german reviewers]. X1 has no equalizer onboard.)
Browsing the net: Blackstone (Again bigger screen -> reading webpages and surfing much more comfortable. X1 doesn't support flash out of the box [maybe same with the Blackstone] but as testet in reviews, it can lead to problems when you try to install flashlite on the X1.)
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone (i prefer slim but wider over, bulky. but thats just peronal at least, slim devices fit more into pockets or bags)
Writing: Blackstone (Now thats really jsut a personal choic. But i prefer a virtual keybord. its just that when i am writing a message, i tend to look on the screen to see what i am doing but when working with a keypad, i have to look on the keys [especially when its hard to feel a differents between the buttos as with the X1 and other phones] Also, adding a keyboard to a phone, makes almost twice the sice [Diamond -> Touch Pro]. And many people who bought such phones, often come to the conclusion that thay don't really use the keyboard most of the time.)
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keyboard is just like insurance, you never know when you really really need it.

d2ey said:
keyboard is just like insurance, you never know when you really really need it.
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A thin device is an advantage, not the missing keyboard. I am curious how well the typing will be. What do the Diamond colleagues say about this?
Xperia has some additional hardware graphics acceleration from ATI while Touch HD to my understanding only uses the acceleration provided by Qualcomm CPU - Xperia uses this as well. This point goes to Xperia. And this might be important for video viewing, coding/encoding. Not so much for the panels ... I do not care too much about the panels.
Eriol

Well this Diamond colleague says I like the keyboard on the Diamond although it is not as fast as a tactile keyboard. However, not because of the reason I expected (the fact that you cannot feel the buttons) as I got used to that quite fast but rather because the keyboard is a bit cramped on the diamond and therefore I miss keys sometimes. The landscape keyboard is really nice and I can imagine that with the added width it will be much less of a problem. Using the suretype keyboard I can type as fast as anything, if the keys were bigger it would be even faster.
Conclusion: I do not miss a tactile keyboard, but I do miss the real estate to put a virtual variant on. So with the HD I will have very little use for a tactile keyboard! My two cents.

As a Touch Pro owner I've learned that for my typical use the keyboard is not much of an asset -- I've found that I've become so accustomed to the virtual keyboard, especially the improved virtual keyboard choices in the Diamond/Touch Pro series, that I hardly ever even open the sliding keyboard. So for me the HD seems like a better choice than the X1 because it offers much greater screen real estate so using the virtual keyboard has less impact on what I'm typing into. My advice: if you really like using the hardware keyboard, try using the virtual keyboard exclusively for awhile to see if you can adapt (I know the virtual keyboard on your Jamin is small and more difficult to use but it still might help you evaluate that) -- if you can adapt to the virtual keyboard then the HD might be your better choice. If not, and you really need the hardware keyboard I suggest you should stick with a model that includes it. The problem in today's market is these devices are so expensive, if we make the wrong choice it's expensive to correct it.

Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia ??
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia ??
......power and hard memory, quite important features

PJ6363 said:
Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia YES, microSD
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia 1500
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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PJ6363 said:
Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia ??
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia ??
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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Xperia has an SD slot......
Xperia is rumored to have the longer battery life
Eriol said:
Xperia has some additional hardware graphics acceleration from ATI while Touch HD to my understanding only uses the acceleration provided by Qualcomm CPU - Xperia uses this as well.
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If this is true, Xperia would be a leap ahead of HTC...
I never understood HTC's pollicy not to use some of the speciall embedded Quallcom hardware...

For 3D gaming the Xperia will be a better deal as well ... The HD is missing some control buttons for this as well. But, honestly, 3D gaming is not what I want to do with this hardware ...
We will see how Xperia and HD perform on video viewing and things like this.
Eriol

The only Games i like to play on my Prophet are the oldscool LucasArts Adventures and some strategy games, and they will be fantastic to play on a screen like the Touch HDs. For 3D Gaming i prefer my PC, ive no need to play shooters with bad graphics and without mouse
I will definately buy a Touch HD as soon as it comes out.

If this is true, Xperia would be a leap ahead of HTC...
I never understood HTC's pollicy not to use some of the speciall embedded Quallcom hardware...
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As far as i heard its the other way around:
Xperia has no graphic chip while the HD has got one. But whatever is true, areamobile and other reviewers teste it and said, that the X1 has got horrible performance in 3D and not that good in 2D. (the panels are just one of the main moments where you will see this). They also compared the X1 to the HD and said that the HD has got more power and better performance.
Battery life of the X1 is pretty good as tested. it has 1500 battery in it, while the HD has got a 1350 battery. But on the other hand, they couldn't test the HD battery. What they found out so far, is that it seems to live upt to its promised hours (which are higher than that of the X1) and that the testers where very surprised and positive, that the HD backlight doesn't use much power and as so, doesn't really impact bettery life. And that the HD performes very good on 3G, because of sime kind of new chip improvements HTC made (they asked HTC about it and recieved a statement about new architekute or improvements of their qualcomm chip)

camera/speed
as much as i believe X1 will have a waaaay better camera. Base on the reviews i've seen, the panels is so slow that makes the user feels like running vista on 512Ram. reminds me of touchflo when they first came out. what do you guys think?

i used the wizard for years, with the keyboard, then i moved to the trinity (no keyboard) thinking i was loosing a lot (but i had to buy it in a rush since i broke the wizard). Conclusion: i got used to it after few weeks and i have a much more handy device. Now i already ordered the touch hd since the extra value of a sliding keyboard is not compensated by the actual use. If i have to type a lot, i use a ...laptop... or an external bluetooth keyboard (i have a freedom keyboard which is actually very bad - but i am thinking about the dinovo mini for the touch hd)....

pzucchel said:
i used the wizard for years, with the keyboard, then i moved to the trinity (no keyboard) thinking i was loosing a lot (but i had to buy it in a rush since i broke the wizard). Conclusion: i got used to it after few weeks and i have a much more handy device. Now i already ordered the touch hd since the extra value of a sliding keyboard is not compensated by the actual use. If i have to type a lot, i use a ...laptop... or an external bluetooth keyboard (i have a freedom keyboard which is actually very bad - but i am thinking about the dinovo mini for the touch hd)....
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Dinovo Mini would be a nice idea i got one myself. the good thing is the touchpad, which works as a mousepad and as cursors at the same time. (Holding down the FN buttons switches the modes) or you cqan just use a little slider on the top to switch the mode of the dinovo. The only thing you will have to do, is to download the program AEKMap and the dinovo map file, so that you get all keys like F1-F12

considering that the Experia once have lost against the XDA Diamond (another compare somewhere in the board) and that the Touch HD is a further stage of PDA, not to say the state of the art, i think there is no need to compare both of them to find out, wo is the winner

Opinion before devorcing my beloved Touch HD

Ok guys just trying to get opinions out there. Currently using the Touch HD. Came from a Nokia device so I love the speed of symbian compared to Windows. It seems like the time has come for me to figure out if I want to keep the Touch HD or not.
Pro:
I love the big screen.
It looks sleek.
Easy to flashfirmware and tweaking performance is fun.
Con:
Incoming calls is a little laggy. Sometimes calls come in as unknown.
Phone feels a slower than ones I've used before.
No TV-Out.
*Having a keyboard would be a plus. But without it is not a Con*
I'm actually debating getting rid of the Touch HD for either the Xperia X1i/X1a so I would gain a keyboard and overall use would stay the same.
Or I thought about getting the Nokia 5800 tube, so that I gain the TV-Out feature to display gps on my indash and have the feel of symbian again.
Or ultimate would be to get the new n97 which has a large screen and keyboard.
What do you guys think? I think the biggest thing bothering me is the phone feelings a bit laggy compared to my previous nokia phones.

try keyboard in landscape mode man it works very well.
incomoingcall work well to me too.
after using it i dont wanna come back with symbyan anymore

Sorry but you knew it had no keyboard when you got it so if it is a "con" and not a "pro", why did you get it in the first place?

well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.

I dunno, going to the X1 isn't going to do much for you other than the physical keyboard. It sounds like love Symbian so maybe just wait for the N97.

I have both Nokia n95 an htc HD, HD is much better! 1 thing above all: HD is fully customizable, and you can improve it with new official roms or with a lot of cooked roms.......

Hello
I have the HD and the Nokia Tube.
The Nokia Tube is crap.
Slow as hell, and the worst GUI i have ever seen.

Flash a few cooked roms first... see if that makes your HD the device you always wanted...

do you recomend any?

I also own a n95 and the hd, and the nokia is no match for the hd in any aspect. Once you get used to the hd big screen and lots of features, you wonder how you could waste your money in the nokia set.
The hd is fairly fast for me, the gps works much better than the n95's. It fully customizable, the battery lasts longer, the rds radio of the hd is much better that the visual radio of the n95 (in Spain the rds system is spread all around the country while the visual radio is scarcely used), there's a lot of sotware available for the hd... in summary, i would't change it.
But each user asks for different features so...that's just my opinion.

Cheeze[iT] said:
well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.
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You could try SPB Full Keyboard

Symbian UI sux the biggest time ever!!!!
There is no Symbian or Nokia I have ever tried that is nice or fast, the N96 is a piece of s..t! I stompted on the damn thing into pieces, seriously, kept freezing and the menu's are a nightmare, menu's within menus within more menus.... The "cons" you mentioned are nothing compared to any Symbian.
"TV Out" its a gimic function of Samsung and Nokia, the quality of TV Out function is way way below VHS quality making it a whole waste of time IMHO, anyway just my 2 cents in a useless topic.
Perhaps Symbian seems more suited to your needs

I went shopping for a new HTC device yesterday.
I looked at the Diamond, Touch Pro, Xperia X1, G1 and the Touch HD.
I found the Diamond's screen size to adequate, but the lack of storage card baffles me.
The Touch Pro was just to heavy but the keyboard was very useable + storage card.
The Xperia's keyboard felt better, but the weight killed it for me. The screen is also far too small to handle WVGA.
The G1's 16million colurs makes the same difference with the screen as an iPod. HTC really should move to 16M colours asap. The interface was great, but you can tell it is in its infancy. I will be watching Android keenly over the next year.
Then we have the HD :
The screen size makes a huge difference - 3.8" WVGA is the perfect size for this res (2.8" is borderline too small).
The device is the exact same size as the iPhone (I think the box matches Apple's packaging as well...) This fits nicely in the hand and feels very light.
The screen size also helps with finger inputs, even on the standard keyboard!
The device is fast. I found no lag running through the programs, even while leaving 10 open. The 512Mb RAM certainly helps there.
A hardware keyboard for me is a con. When I moved to one (XDA Mini S), I found it strange to get used, but percivered, when I moved back to an onscreen keyboard, I certainly did not miss the physical kb.
After playing with all 5 devices, I have payed up for the HD.
It'll be delivered on Tuesday.

MrAce87 said:
do you recomend any?
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davideuck, believe me!

Thanks for input guys,
I do like the ability to flash new roms as I am trying to keep up with Laurentius26 and the L26 roms. It seems the V7 seems to be pretty responsive. As far as the tube VS touch HD Speed comparison, thanks for the info.
On the TV-Out feature, I would only use it to display GPS on my indash so I can easily get around by getting a decent car mount I guess. I've been keeping up with that thead and haven't found one I liked yet.
Bringing up the point that symbian isn't as customizable friendly I guess it would advantage me to stay with the touch so that I can always flash different roms and see which I like better. And between the Xperia and the Touch HD, thats going to be a hard button keyboard VS big screen.
Now to go read up on some more interesting apps/games to install. Thanks again guys! Keep the input coming if you like! I appreciate it.

My first post here at xda, so forgive me while i get used to it ;-)
the touch hd is quite impressive as allrounder. i'm more than a little jealous of the screen compared to my own omnia.
but omnia is till my personal choise of today; huge internal memore (i currently use 16 gig + 16 gig sdhc) although it's 3.5mm jack is indirect, if does come as adapter in the sales box. it is a bit fatter than the hd though but not too much- 12.5mm. and it has the tv out u mentioned. anyway it is to my taste right now.
if u have the patience for future model i found some interresting ones here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/the_8_megapixel_samsung_i8910_records_hd_video_ready_to_roll-news-776.php
it seems the next generation of omnia. though rumor has it that it'll be running symbian instaid of wm... and by now i have gotten stuck on wm and its flexibillity. i'm not sure that i can go back. still if u look at its specks they doo make my mouth water- heh he.
http://www.gsmarena.com/toshiba_unleashes_the_tg01__the_ubersmartphone_to_rule_them_all-news-768.php
this one is a pure wm platform wich seems to leave even hd trailiang in the dust. but remember that with a screen as big as 4.1 inches u may need to resow your pockets in all shirts and pants. still size matters when using gui's and you hd is already a good example there.
none of them packs a built-in thumpboard though. for that u may need to to go n97, touch pro, xperia, HTC dream or G1. i've no experience with android yet. but as for wm's i hear experia is annoyingly slow, and if u already have trouble with the speed of the HD u may need to stay far away from this one. all of them packs better screenresolutions than omnia, but the benefits of higher resolution without bigger screen on these devices is argueable. on 3.2 inches i don't miss the extra pixels on windows mobile.
a good thing might be if others told about their experiences with various models. my dad for one would never trade in his HD for my omnia. but if i had to buy a new one today i'd still choose it over the others out there.
needs and tastes differ.

a little off toppic- sorry.
does anyone know if if it possible to mod s60-5th the same way as SPB and PointUI does it for wm? my only experience with it is n93 wich i kept as my primary for one and a half years. never thought of costumizing it though. and i've fallen in love with it on wm.

Cheeze,
I have the same problem.
X1 will have the same problem in terms of the lag.
keyboards are good, but you dont need them as much, you need to get use to the touch screen... give it more time...
If you want something just as good as the HD with no Lag, go iphone, but then you drop alot of good things with the HD.
i did at first contemplate selling off the HD and going in for the iphone, but i have used the iphone, and liked it for the whole 2 months i had it before i went to a smaller phone... and then to the HD...
the iphone was basic to what i needed it for, the hd works perfectly...
let me tell you, after 3 months, you will be fine with the hd, but the lag will increase... especially in calls... and if you are like me.. with an ever increaseing phone book addess list.. it doesnt help... due to work, my phone book is now at 500+, and that was after cutting it down due to the financial crises...
in all likelyhood i will go back to the iphone depending on what the next update is in July.. then in august will truely decide....

I to went from the HD to the iphone. I do miss the big screen and badass resolution but after a few weeks and jail breaking i dont even think about the hd or windows mobile for that matter.

Im currently looking to move from my Nokia E90 to The HD. I have never used a HD before so i cannot comment on it, but the Symbian email system is awful which is one of the reasons that im looking to move away from Symbian.
I have looked at the 5800 but it will be a "downgrade" from my E90. Also the N97 does look good but it only has 3 rows with the numbers intergrated into the top "qwerty" row.
That totally puts me off it