Think there are a lot of people out there who have been considering between the 2, and with Touch Pro out (it just released over the weekend here in Singapore) and X1 still yet to have a 100% confirmed released date (still wondering if October's a confirmed date, and even then, whether as the case of Touch Pro, it'd be released even later here), a lot of people have been getting the Touch Pro instead. I myself am really tempted to do so too, but there's still that little bit that's holding me back to get the X1. Thing is there's so many points about the Touch Pro that seemingly give it an edge over the X1.
X1:
* WVGA (this a pro or a con?)
* Larger screen (but 'non standard' screen size that might cause some apps to not work)
* 4 row and supposedly crappier keypad (though good in that the keys are more spaced out)
* 3.5mm audio jack (which doesn't matter to me)
* Better video playback (or am I wrong)
* Slightly thinner and lighter
* Higher capacity battery (1500 vs 1340 mAh for Touch Pro)
* Metal casing
* Possibility of SE splitting (meaning loss in support?)
Touch Pro
* VGA
* 'Standard' screen size that 3rd party apps are built for
* 5 row and supposedly better keypad
* TV out (doesn't quite matter to me either)
* Accelerometer (till now no confirmation whether X1 has)
* Higher RAM (288 vs 256MB in X1)
* Slightly smaller
* Plastic casing
* Larger support community (whether X1 will have one remains to be seen)
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Correct me if I've got any point wrong. Lookswise I used to think the X1 looked better, but until lately was starting to feel it looked worse and worse, though most recent videos kinda made me change my mind again (ya... I am just so fickle-minded)
Anyway, what do you all think? Don't wish to be getting the Touch Pro and regret not waiting for the X1 to be out to do an actual comparison. Or is there anyone who has tried both (probably test set of X1) and able to comment on points like the keypad and running of 3rd party apps?
Btw, reason I'm posting this here rather than in other forums that I visit is cos there seem to be more people here with test units and so was hoping to get more opinions here.
Hmmm a good post! Couple of things I would like to say...
You say:
* Possibility of SE splitting (meaning loss in support?)
I have not heard this, would you or anyone like to expand on this?
* Higher RAM (288 vs 256MB in X1)
From what I can gather from other threads this could just be the way HTC has tried to make it look like the Touch Pro has more memory by including 32MB of memory from somewhere else in the device.
* Larger support community (whether X1 will have one remains to be seen)
Like you said I think we will have to wait on this one, the only reason the Touch Pro has more support is because it is actually out now! Any phone that is on this website has MASSIVE community support, which is one of the main reasons this is one of the best websites I know for phones, and is one of the main reasons i will (mostly) always choose a HTC built device!
One thing that annoys me is that a company will give a release date for a phone but the phone wont be available to the average joe, like me,(by that I mean someone who doesnt want to pay nearly half a months wages for a phone i.e. £500+) for perhaps 1-2 months after its stated release date!
As you can tell I want either phone, im just waiting till they com out on the major UK networks so I can:
a) get them for a reasonable price, if not free
b) actually play with them before I choose which one to get!
I am sacraficing a 5MP camera for a QWERTY keyboard as I use the internet on my phone a lot. Therefore I am leaning towards the Xperia X1 as it has a larger screen.
Any help would be appreciated in this matter
Great post. Hope it gets the response it deserves, cos im in exactly the same predicament.
One thing i keep reading, is that the X1 is the best choice for multimedia.
I dont exactly see what is meant by that, looking at both spec sheets, except for the bigger screen res.
I am led to believe that the SE media player app is not yet present on the X1.
Anyone with a proto, please step up to the keyboard! your input is needed.
The few people i have identified as having X1 protos, seem to be very reserved about what they give away.
This is probably to do with the SE police.
Heres hoping that the SE webcast scheduled for 15th Sept will be the release info for X1, and all info can then be talked about openly.
My preference would be X1, but i would have no problem owning a touch pro.
vinokirk said:
You say:
* Possibility of SE splitting (meaning loss in support?)
I have not heard this, would you or anyone like to expand on this?
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Sony CEO considering dumping Ericsson for sucking so much at mobile phone business lately
Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 will be the last Windws Mobile phone from Sony Ericsson
Anyway, what makes me even more in a rush to decide between the X1 and Touch Pro is cos the Touch Pro is out with a promotional (2-year) contract price of SGD788 (approximately USD548) till this coming Friday. Actual price is supposedly SGD988 (approximately USD688).
X1 for me
The pro is a great increment over the TyTNII ...
But as most people probably experience ... VGA is really only a prettifier over QVGA ... it doesn't give you much real extra screen estate (if any) with most apps.
WVGA on the other hand makes a tremendous difference (from web browsing to today screen to Softmaker Office to CoPilot).
I tried it for the first time with the G900 and all my apps worked and all but one filled the screen properly ....
The X1 screen should therefore be a dramatic improvement on the Pro.
Also ... the Camera and Radio are SE parts ... not HTC and as such will be like most SE phones. This means the camera will perform more like decent SE devices and video at 30fps should be like the N95 ... which means I can get away with one phone at long last.
The N95 radio was rubbish ... this should be a good one.
Those things alone should make this standout a lot from the Pro.
I like to add the
x1
optical joystick for scrolling
touch screen focus
vga video recording
Touch Pro
navigation wheel
the touch sensitive button for focus doesn't even work half the time
While they both have qwerty, I didn't like how each roll of keys directly line up above the next row on the Touch Pro vs the its offset by half a key on the next row on the Xperia. And there is no gaps/spacing between the keys on the htc either.
In the end I only got the Touch Pro because it was out first and I know HTC does Windows Mobile for a living while I was concerned it might have been a one time thing for SE.
Interesting Ipporek, I was unaware of this! Which leads me onto htcplussony's comment abut the X1 being a one time thing, whereas HTC have been churning out WinMo devices for years and hopefully will continue to do so.
I do like the TouchFlo3D of the Touch Pro, is it likely to be 'ported' over to the X1 and if it is, will it fit nicely with the larger screen/resolution, and will it run fine or crash/make the system slower!? Only time will tell with that one i suppose.
Also: not only has the X1 battery a higher capacity, it's a Li-Po battery (whereas the Pro has a Li-Ion battery). Li-Po batteries can hold much more energy. Keeping that in mind, the battery should last much longer on an X1 than on a Pro.
I also firmly believe the X1 will be much more innovative. HTC has already established its position in the pda-phone market, whereas this is SE's first step towards a more business market. They have the neccessary expertise to be able to pull it off however, and I have no doubt that they have not left anything that could be improved untouched. Not only does SE have to innovate and come with new and interesting approaches, HTC hardly can innovate. They have already established their reputation, and they can not drastically change their course or they would lose a lot of users. As an example, we see the Xperia panel interface, it's a whole new approach taken, and I'm quite confident there will be a lot more different little innovations inside.
Ultimately for me it's 2 major concerns (which I mentioned earlier):
1. Is the keyboard of the X1 really as bad as it's being said to be? Unless the production set actually has some improvement in this area over the test sets, it might be a big issue (or at least for me).
2. Will there be a lot of apps that do not work with the X1 cos of the size/resolution incompatibility?
Lack of TV out and accelerometer I can live with. The 1 row less of keys that I can live with too (though till now I do kinda find the combination of a black casing and silver keypad weird). And the bigger size doesn't quite bother me (since it's only by a little and the X1 is thinner and lighter). Support community, ya, there's always the possibility that it'll grow. But the 2 points I mentioned above I can't quite ignore though.
Well, perhaps might be able to get the answer to one of my questions myself. Saw someone's post in another forum and realized that the Omnia too has a 'non-standard' resolution. In fact, it's proportionate to X1's (half in fact).
Samsung i900 Omnia - 400 x 240 pixels, 3.2 inches
Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 - 800 x 480 pixels, 3.0 inches
LG KS20 - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Pro - 640 x 480 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Diamond - 640 x 480 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Cruise - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC Touch Dual - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.6 inches
HTC Touch - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
HTC TyTN II - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.8 inches
i-mate Ultimate 9502 - 640 x 480 pixels, 2.8 inches
i-mate Ultimate 8502 - 320 x 240 pixels, 2.6 inches
Palm Treo Pro - 320 x 320 pixels, 2.5 inches
Other phones all seem to have either the standard 640x480 or 320x240 pixels resolution (well, except for the Treo Pro).
So would that mean that if an application can run properly on Omnia, it can run on the X1 too?
After seeing the website for the upcoming webcast and this Johnny X trailer, I can't help but feel that X1's more of a mass audience, entertainment-oriented phone as compared to Touch Pro which would be more of a business-oriented phone targetted more towards the more tech-savvy crowd.
I really wonder why nobody cares about reception / signal strength. For me it's quite the key-feature of a phone and the 3G reception of the Touch Pro is not very good.
I really would like to know if the X1 reception is better, because I use a lot of data transfers so it's essential for me.
I'm not quite sure if the Touch Pro can be really considered as a business devices because of reception problems.
Well, with the X1's release date being announced, it's making me wondering even more whether to hold back (on getting the Touch Pro).
HW Accelerated ?
Does someone know if X1 has 3D Hardware acceleration ?
So much uncertainties about the X1's specs eventhough it's near release. 3D hardware acceleration, accelerometer...
3D hardware acceleration is stated in the white paper..
Sep 30 it is. But where is Hong Kong.
X1 reception likely better than Touch Pro
foo said:
I really wonder why nobody cares about reception / signal strength. For me it's quite the key-feature of a phone and the 3G reception of the Touch Pro is not very good.
I really would like to know if the X1 reception is better, because I use a lot of data transfers so it's essential for me.
I'm not quite sure if the Touch Pro can be really considered as a business devices because of reception problems.
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The main reason for this is that HTC Touch Pro is Dual Band 900/2100 UMTS/HSDPA. The HTC TyTN II was Tri-Band 900/1900/2100. The Xperia will have similar reception to the TyTN II, definitely much much better than Touch Pro.
jeeves5454 said:
The main reason for this is that HTC Touch Pro is Dual Band 900/2100 UMTS/HSDPA. The HTC TyTN II was Tri-Band 900/1900/2100. The Xperia will have similar reception to the TyTN II, definitely much much better than Touch Pro.
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I hope you're right. Skipped the Touch Pro because of weak 3G signal, but now it's really time for a new toy, so hopefully the reception of the X1 will be good.
For me it will be all about the support that this site gives the X1 to be honest because you can have the best phone in the world but without them custom programs / roms you will soon get bored with it, trust me
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Hi all:
I have been recently comparing both of these phones and so far find myself leaning towards the xperia simply because for me two things are a must: hardware keyboard and a memory expansion slot. Both of these the Diamond lacks.
What are your thoughts? suggestions?
thesire said:
Hi all:
I have been recently comparing both of these phones and so far find myself leaning towards the xperia simply because for me two things are a must: hardware keyboard and a memory expansion slot. Both of these the Diamond lacks.
What are your thoughts? suggestions?
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Have you considered the Raphael? Best of both worlds. Otherwise, I would shoot for the Xperia.
i would go for Xperia x1.. take a look at the resolution and the amazing bigger screen and ofcrse the card expansion slot
i voted diamond because im getting one on day 1, but im sure, ill get an x1 at some point, and it may well be that the diamond goes to ebay so i can get the x1. it all depends really. i was looking at a vid on yt of the x1, and the panels chooser looks amazing, but when u select one and it goes to home it takes so long. this was way back in feb, so things will probably improve with the new amount of ram. if they do, and its fast at everything ill get one. just like you lot because of the keyboard and microsd.
Rory
rorydaredkign said:
i voted diamond because im getting one on day 1, but im sure, ill get an x1 at some point, and it may well be that the diamond goes to ebay so i can get the x1. it all depends really. i was looking at a vid on yt of the x1, and the panels chooser looks amazing, but when u select one and it goes to home it takes so long. this was way back in feb, so things will probably improve with the new amount of ram. if they do, and its fast at everything ill get one. just like you lot because of the keyboard and microsd.
Rory
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I'd go with the Diamond... The X1 Panels is just an expensive gimmick that does nothing (although I'm gonna try and rip it out of an X1 ROM I have for fun )!
I think the Raphael would be the best of both!
well sonyE are more set in the phone market maybe they will not cut corners with drivers
as rep means alot when you are as big as them
I voted Xperia X1, but will be buying a Diamond. And the only reason behind that is that I think that technically the Xperia X1 is a better device in terms of hardware, but it’s not available yet, and probably not until September / October / November.
As I’m impatient, and the Diamond is a good upgrade from my current Orbit that’s the way I will be going. But come end of the year I might be getting a new shiny X1-mas prezzie.
I vote Raphael!
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/specs.php?id=2522
I voted Diamond because it's here and the Xperia X1 is vapourware. Remember the 990i? How long did that POS take to be released?
Kevin
I'd certainly like to get the Raphael, but it looks like it's Tri-band for the European market, so it wouldn't be very usable in the States. Xperia for me, as keyboard is a must.
http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/exclusive-preview-24-hours-with-the-sony-ericsson-xperia-x1/
i find it amusing that the landscape pic show that sonyE are currently using htc xbutton as taskmanager
and the "virtual desktop" system dont seem to be active currently
so so far imho it's more of a htc phone with a htc rom then a htc phone with a sonyE rom
X1 for me, only because of WVGA. The real question is, how soon will XDA-devs have TouchFlo3D ready for it. That would make this choice that much easier.
I'm thinking of Sam_i900.Especially if the rumors are true...
Regards!
if you mean about the mem then will 32GB microSD cards not come along soon and make internal mem les importent?
I'm a hardware keyboard fan, so it's between the Raphael and X1, and currently the X1 seems best to me due to WVGA screen (which will make browsing the web & watching videos much better) and the curved slide, which will make the loss of my Kaiser's tilting screen easier to bear than the no-tilt on the Raphael.
I guess the X1 will be more expensive though... will have to see.
DavidMc0 said:
I'm a hardware keyboard fan, so it's between the Raphael and X1, and currently the X1 seems best to me due to WVGA screen (which will make browsing the web & watching videos much better) and the curved slide, which will make the loss of my Kaiser's tilting screen easier to bear than the no-tilt on the Raphael.
I guess the X1 will be more expensive though... will have to see.
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I doubt the X1 will be as heavily subsidised as the Raphael... Also, I believe the Raphael may still have the kaiser tilt functionality
well for us people in the states are gonna have to stick with the x1 cause of the band limitations of the other devices...
Have you think of the actual screen size?
I just want to point out a fact that maybe misleaded by the public. Everyone is saying that the X1 3 inch screen is larger than the Diamond 2.8 inch. It's correct for the diagonal, but have you calculated the actual physical dimension of each pixel?
I don't go into the detail calculation as it should be easily reproduced...
For a 2.8 inch VGA screen, the width of each pixel is 0.0035 inch.
For a 3 inch WVGA screen, the width of each pixel is 0.00321 inch.
That means all text on a 3 inch WVGA screen is about 8% smaller than a 2.8 inch VGA screen.
However, I'm not saying a larger or smaller screen is the only factor for a buying decision. But the fact should be revealed as well.
A_C said:
I just want to point out a fact that maybe misleaded by the public. Everyone is saying that the X1 3 inch screen is larger than the Diamond 2.8 inch. It's correct for the diagonal, but have you calculated the actual physical dimension of each pixel?
I don't go into the detail calculation as it should be easily reproduced...
For a 2.8 inch VGA screen, the width of each pixel is 0.0035 inch.
For a 3 inch WVGA screen, the width of each pixel is 0.00321 inch.
That means all text on a 3 inch WVGA screen is about 8% smaller than a 2.8 inch VGA screen.
However, I'm not saying a larger or smaller screen is the only factor for a buying decision. But the fact should be revealed as well.
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But, having more pixels on the screen may make up for the fact they're smaller. You get a lot more pixels with the X1.
However, I think the Raphael is still the best offering...
Panels is a nice idea, but has so little effect, whereas TF3D makes a big difference to usability...
will be interesting to see how the cam in x1 is
as i believe like most other phone makers got a rep
for better cams then htc does
though personaly i think anything Cmos rather then CCD (real dig cams)
look odd and slightly sinister
X1 is definitely going to be released in October in my country; but I'm still undecided about which one of them I will buy, here are what I like and dislike/less like with each one of them
X1
+ the best hardware design of the 3, I like the curved slide, I like those LEDs, I like the 3.5mm jack, I like the memory slot and finally I like that it is the most packed with hardware buttons than 'virtual buttons' found in the others.
+ the screen size/res
+ best video recording
+/- 384 final RAM which is still yet to be seen about the performance
+/- I like the panels, but IMO in their current condition they feel somewhat raw and lack of polish; the poker style stacked panels are useless and a waste of resources they should have been created something more functional for example like windows XP's filmstrip folder viewing style in which we could be able to switch between panels without having to press the panels button -which feel like unnecessary 'back' button-
- and with my previous point they should have add an accelerometer, so that other than finger swiping between panels (ala touch flo) perhaps we should be able to shake the X1 to switch between panels. (oh come on SE, even W910 had this, why not your flagship?)
- I'm not convinced as to whether SE has done a good job in reshaping the default WinMo UI or not, in fact based on previews, I didn't see anything has been done to it, they (SE) just babbling over and over and over about the panels
- I'm also worried about the pre-installed software, there are no info about anything else than Opera and handago client (which are quite useless in my country due to slow, somewhat unstable and rather expensive 3G cost) that will come with the phone, and it caught my eye that they integrated contacts in multimedia panels! Isn't it weird?
- rather small onboard storage
Touch Pro
+ Touch Flo 3D, IMO the only solution capable of rivaling Iphone's multitouch UI now in WinMo
+ somewhat more convincing keyboard
+ community support
+ 'hidden features' ----> which I'm doubting it will also exist in X1
- lack of 3.5mm jack
- glossy design
- 4:3 display
- slightly heavier than X1
- no stutter button for the camera
- ugly video recording res
- I''m not fond of the HTC's wheel button.
Omnia
+ sleek design
+ hapstick mode, anything full touch screen capable phone should have this feature, how come those phone makers designers didn't think about it
+ 5MP camera with face detection, smiley detection, geo tagging support out of the box
+ a quite good UI, including the reshaped default WinMo UI, it may not as appealing as Touch Flo 3D, but it is at least functioning well
+ 16GB storage + expansion, holy ****, this set the standard for the industry!
+/- largest display size between the 3, I've seen people bashing it res, but my experience with SE P900 was that the res are OKAY, in fact I can browse quite comfortably with my SE M600i which is smaller in size and display res compared to P900 *edit* I checked and realized that I was wrong about the display res in P900 compared to M600i, the M600i is more pixels packed, but still of course way behind X1, but my point is that those res aren't that bad like what many have criticized it.
- no physical keyboard
- no STYLUS slot lol, unless they have a screen with minimum 5 inch in diagonal never forget stylus!
- the display is said to be somewhat poor under sunlight
- only 128MB RAM
- somewhat just an average optical mouse/joystick pad with no d-pad capable like in X1
any suggestion? comments? I would like to hear things from those who have experience with TP and Omnia.
is there/will there be any device that could combine those 3 strength before next year?
You first must know, what you want to do with. Then the first decisionis with or without hardware keyboard.
I wouldn't do again without. In each software you have to make inputs like writing webadresses, logins or equal you loose a lot of the screen, if you don't have an hardware keyboard. For this reason, I would not do without.
If you don't need a keyboard compare the omnia with the new HTC touch hd. This has a bigger (3,8") and more powerfull (WVGA) screen.
With the omnia samsung went only the half way -the low resolution is not the future... But it is faster in some feelings, as WVGA. If you once had a VGA/WVGA, you will not do without any more. This is the opinion of ALL the people I know, who changed from QVGA to VGA or WVGA.
The touch pro may be not so bad, but for me the display is much too small. I am used to WVGA since a good year now and do not want to miss. The 160 Pixel more length are more than much usefull - I recognize it every day. Even 3" WVGA is a bit smaller than 2,8" VGA you feel the difference clearly.
For that reason the X1 is the only device on the market, I could buy. Never Toshiba again, because they have absolutely no custom service.
Or you could wait for the HTC HD Pro - the HD with a keyboard
probably will be too long to wait, and I haven't hear about HTC make that?
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Or you could wait for the HTC HD Pro - the HD with a keyboard
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Nothing like that announced so far...
But knowing HTC they'll make it just to screw with me
If they were to suddenly announce a HD Pro, my Touch Pro might not be in once piece.
I don't guess HTC will make a touch HD Pro -to big, to heavy for their customers. But if they do so, I would think of buying it, even after having bought the X1. You know:
The better is the enemy of the good
Omnia comes with an awesome camera... but the most disappointing thing is its stylus and no slot to put it in. But it definitely has no comparison with Touch Pro and Xperia - not just 'cos of no keyboard, but because it lacks the power that those two sets carry - way too low RAM in comparison to them.
Furthermore, Omnia is limited to 16 GB Maximum. Both Touch Pro and Xperia can be expanded upto a whooping 32 GB - and not to mention since it is Micro SD, you can swap cards, put it easily in a card-reader and use as needed and so on.
Samsung Omnia is an extremely impressive set, but it definitely fails to impress when you bring in Touch Pro and Xperia into the ring. So... don't even consider that.
Touch HD is going to be the iPhone killer - full touch screen with improved touch sensitivity than Touch Pro and probably carrying far more features than the Touch Pro. The screen of the Touch HD goes head on with Xperia, but it leaves Xperia behind when it comes to the Camera as it has a 5 MP camera on its back.
So the question is... Do you want a keyboard on your device? If the answer is not necessary, then you should do be thinking Touch HD VS Xperia otherwise stick with Touch Pro VS Xperia.
There is no such thing as an "iPhone Killer". I don't know how often I have read "XYZ phone, the next iPhone Killer?" - and the answer is always "no".
It's not because the iPhone is so much better then other phones, it's because it has a superb marketing and some stylish gadgets included while Windows Mobile devices don't.
It's the same for iPod. There are for sure other good MP3 players out there, but everyone knows iPod.
So please let's stay away from this in this Xperia thread, because the iPhone got already killed as far as I'm concerned.
Touch HD vs Xperia
The comparison has been moved here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430938
Read and then cast your vote.
If you want a comparison between Touch Pro and Xperia... then go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430937
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.
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There is no such thing as an "iPhone Killer". I don't know how often I have read "XYZ phone, the next iPhone Killer?" - and the answer is always "no".
It's not because the iPhone is so much better then other phones, it's because it has a superb marketing and some stylish gadgets included while Windows Mobile devices don't.
It's the same for iPod. There are for sure other good MP3 players out there, but everyone knows iPod.
So please let's stay away from this in this Xperia thread, because the iPhone got already killed as far as I'm concerned.
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Actually i didn't mean it like that. Sorry for making it sound so. By 'iPhone Killer' i tend to imply a phone that can be considered comparable to the iPhone... one that gives the user a choice.
I have an iPhone and have been using it since over an year now, and i can pretty much say that it definitely will stand its ground in the market - well maybe its sales will reduce and all, but it'll stay.
@msalmank
I totally agree with you: The iPhone has its place and will stay.
One thing I'd like to add to this comparison between Touch HD/Pro and Xperia:
The Touch Pro has a weak 3G reception. I still wonder why this problem is never mentioned in such comparisons. Unfortunately we do not have enough information concerning the Xperia and reception quality, but it should be something well considered.
What is a 3,8'' Touchscreen worth if you have no signal to display the required information on it?
As far as I'm concerned, one of the basic features regarding a smartphone is still "connectivity". Weak connectivity = crappy phone.
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@msalmank
I totally agree with you: The iPhone has its place and will stay.
One thing I'd like to add to this comparison between Touch HD/Pro and Xperia:
The Touch Pro has a weak 3G reception. I still wonder why this problem is never mentioned in such comparisons. Unfortunately we do not have enough information concerning the Xperia and reception quality, but it should be something well considered.
What is a 3,8'' Touchscreen worth if you have no signal to display the required information on it?
As far as I'm concerned, one of the basic features regarding a smartphone is still "connectivity". Weak connectivity = crappy phone.
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Touch HD will be better than Touch Pro. We already have larger screen, more pixels on the camera, greater sensitivity on the touch screen... and so we can only wait an see if 3G receipt will be any better or not. But thank you for this, i've added this in the comparison above as #7...
And yep... the iPhone will definitely stay. Even i'm considering not to sell of my iPhone and keep it as an iPod Touch or backup phone with tons of games loaded on it...
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Omnia comes with an awesome camera... but the most disappointing thing is its stylus and no slot to put it in. But it definitely has no comparison with Touch Pro and Xperia - not just 'cos of no keyboard, but because it lacks the power that those two sets carry - way too low RAM in comparison to them.
Furthermore, Omnia is limited to 16 GB Maximum. Both Touch Pro and Xperia can be expanded upto a whooping 32 GB - and not to mention since it is Micro SD, you can swap cards, put it easily in a card-reader and use as needed and so on.
Samsung Omnia is an extremely impressive set, but it definitely fails to impress when you bring in Touch Pro and Xperia into the ring. So... don't even consider that.
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please research again, OMNIA is equipped with onboard 16GB storage, and can still use micro SD....
and by the way, I don't compare the touch hd here, so which one of X1, TP and Omnia that would be the best buy?
nap007 said:
please research again, OMNIA is equipped with onboard 16GB storage, and can still use micro SD....
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Ahhh! yes. thank you for correcting me. Samsung Omnia can definitely be carry a Micro SD card, but at the max of 16 GB. So at max it can have 32 GB (considering you have the 16 GB set)
nap007 said:
and by the way, I don't compare the touch hd here, so which one of X1, TP and Omnia that would be the best buy?
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Read and then cast your vote: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430937 (Touch Pro Vs. Xperia)
Despite Omnia allowing up to 32 GB memory in total, it still falls behind Xperia and Touch Pro. I might however do a comparison - according to my understanding - between Omnia and Xperia later today or tomorrow.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid
so, I'm back to my original intention, which one to pick between these 3? My points stand still since what I guessed before about X1 appeared to be true -save the rotation button lol-
Bit late to start a petition, but I would have signed it!!!
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so, I'm back to my original intention, which one to pick between these 3? My points stand still since what I guessed before about X1 appeared to be true -save the rotation button lol-
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Don't know why the omnia is being dismissed - it has the most powerful processor and I'm not sure the Ram is an issue because of the internal memory has speeded up to the same level. What I would question about HTC and the Sony is the build quality as both of them are in fact out of Htc's factory
I'm currently using an Xperia after 3 months of Touch Pro usage; the things important for me are covered in this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3028394&postcount=25
..as for the Omnia: I haven't even tested it because it has no HW keyboard and it has a low res display -> altogether different type of phones in my opinion..
The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile. That alone should determine your choice... but considering you want to go into depth:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
2. When it comes to Screen, though both have the same resolution, Touch HD gives you a bigger display with its 3.8 inch screen over the 3 inch Xperia screen.
3. In regard to camera, the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia. However, if one thing Sony Ericsson knows best, it is its Camera... so i can pretty much say that Xperia's 3.2 MP camera would be enough to take on the Touch HD 5 MP camera. Video recording is in both, and most likely Touch HD will match the recording capabilties in terms of resolution with Xperia - but again Camera quality of Sony is expected to be better. Both devices have Touch Focus as well... but one other thing to note is that Touch HD has no camera flash!
4. Main interface - Touch Flo 3d is superb looking. But Xperia Panels are not behind. Though Touch Flo 3D is shiny and extremely attractive, it lacks big time in customization. With Panels, customization is the key... and with time as developers start releasing new panels, we will probably see some really awesome stuff in terms of functionaity as well looks. Not to mention, the way you switch panel mode (fan, side-by-side, etc.) is nothing short. So if you are one who loves to have the possibility of as much customization as possible, like me, then Xperia wins here. And in my opinion, in terms of functionality and extendibility Xperia again wins here.
5. Battery - Xperia carries a bigger battery than Touch HD. Though how much time each will provide, we can't say for sure at this point...
6. Manufacturer - HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device.
7. 3G Reception - Foo, a senior member here at XDA Developers has brought to my attention that Touch Pro suffers from poor 3G reception but another member says that this is not the case and that he doesn't face any such problems on his Pro. Considering that HTC has improved Touch HD in various aspects over the pro - bigger screen, higher resolution, better sensitivity to the touch screen, more powerful camera and so on - we will just have to wait and see if the 3G reception in Touch HD is better than Pro or not. As for Xperia, we'll have to wait and confirm for that when it releases.
8. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch HD!
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch HD, but none too major to consider here. (i leaved keyboard out of this as i already put that forward in the first question i asked at the start of this post).
Conclusion: From where I sit, Xperia is a winner with its sexy look (c'mon. it. is. steel!), fully customizable interface (panels), more RAM, Flash on the camera, full stylish qwerty keyboard, and more.
Hope this helps...
And if anyone feels like it, then add to the list anything you want.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.
You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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Yes, i did point that tout in the post above... but HTC had more to do with the hardware from a Win Mo point of view... the Camera is something that SE obviously didn't need help from HTC on.
As for actual comparison of picture quality... we'll know for sure in a few days as to how good Xperia's camera actually is. (one picture over at the Xperiancers blog shows it to be really good)!
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1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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This information is outdated. SE increased the RAM in the meanwhile (most likely due to performance issues) up to 384 MByte RAM which is about 100 MByte more then Touch HD has.
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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The reason i did the comparison was because both devices have been compared/questioned side-by-side on various forums now. And i did mention, before making a comparison, that: "The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile."
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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As Foo already pointed out, that page is out-dated. You can do a search in Google on Xperia and 384 MB RAM and you will get tons of news items and blog posts announcing that change in the hardware from a couple of weeks back.
holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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One is comparing Touch HD and the other Touch Pro against Xperia...
Here's another compare http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1469&id2=1117. Still HD is my favourite
As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
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I'm afraid you should first confirm things yourself. Xperiancers is a blog by SE and here is a quote from their latest blog entry: "The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram"
(if you'd like to see: http://xperiancers.com/ - Name of post is 'Your Xperia Questions Answered')
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Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
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Dude... it's my opinion, if you don't agree then don't, but call me biased at my own expense. I clearly stated that 'the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia', and i am sure many will agree that SE's cameras are one of the best in mobile devices... but i did not declare Xperia a winner over Touch HD but only implied that in my opinion Xperia'll be better. Furthermore - take into account that Touch HD lacks a flash for the camera, it will not perform up to par in certain conditions.
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Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
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Again... user based experience. Another member here mentioned that he faced 3G reception problems, and i put that in. You say it doesn't, i'll put that in as well.
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The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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Dude! did you even read what i wrote? I wrote it clear: "HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device."
HTC manufactured Xperia, but it is a SE device and they are the ones who are bringing it out.
i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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I'm afraid to add this to the comparison... someone might say something...
I was not aware of this... Maybe they'll add it in the end? or is it confirmed?
I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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TOUCH HD
The comment about the camera is correct. For printing up to A4, anything over 3mp is usually massively outweighed by the lens opening and quality. Small opening ... small amounts of light - causes issues regardless of the CCD or CMOS. It is also correct to suggest that the SE devices have a history of being closer to compact cameras in quality than the toy town stuff you usually get from HTC (I've had loads of HTC devices and love them but the cameras are of little practical use). The other thing worth saying that the X1 will shoot 640x480 video and 30fps like the Nokia E90 and N95. The quality of video of the latter two is almost up to the Hi-8 camcorders (if in good light) which makes them a genuinely useful camcorder alternative. The HD (and all native HTC devices) are still QVGA and the video looks rubbish even on a 2" window on a PC. This should be a huge plus for the X1.
My concerns about the X1 relate to the likely hood that SE won't support and develop the platform. There are many rumours about the Sony and Ericcson relationship as well as the SE / HTC one. Also, Sony will not commit to any future WM devices - infact, it seems they are completely non committal about future OS - UIQ, Android, WM etc. When you look at the P1 issues ... never resolved even after a huge backlash by customers ... it's not promising.
The X1 performance / tuning also worries me. It was announced that there were gfx / video perf issues with 30fps playback very shortly before the release date. They didn't answer any real questions in their pathetic webcast either ... I think there will be fairly horrible issues initially and worry they won't fix them. The added RAM so late in the day may sound positive ... but it shows they don't really know what they are doing. They will have added it because performance was too slow. Do remember that that amount of RAM with WVGA will really cane the battery - a negative which people aren't really considering.
I worry also about the keyboard ... I guess we will have to wait for the first purchasers to confirm either way. These things are enough to stop me pre-ordering when 3 months ago it was a definite purchase for me.
The HD has no keyboard ... I might be able to live without. The problem is more with the lack of button controls. Again, we know very little about it. I would hope HTC would include some kind of soft dpad with dynamic scaling which would allow apps to run VGA on top of the extra screen estate which would have the soft buttons / dpad. If they don't do this, I am very concerned about real day to day use. If they do deliver such a soft key set, then I think it would be almost perfect as long as something else is not missing - like TV-Out ... strangely not detailed ... even though some sites suggest in the spec it is there. The only massive irritation for me is the camera - no flash and no VGA 30fps capture on something this expensive. I was hoping to replace my TyTNII and N95 8GB with a single device .... and it looks like I will still need two - seems like a stupid oversight for such an expensive device. The 3.8" screen may still sway me though. I don't need tiny like lots of people ... as long as I have a decent belt case.
Paul.
two very different devices targeted at different markets, daft trying do a compare on them as one is more of high usage business device the other a low usage media device.
Business or personal
So out of these two, if i wanted a phone to do work on with occasional media usage, id go for the X1, if i wanted something that looked swanky and was a good phone but ultimately a low work usage device then the HD would be it, course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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Oh my god... Did you seriously just say a big issue when making a business oriented phone is having a big screen? That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard. In that case, the Touch HD will be purely for business, because the entire phone is just one huge screen. Big screens = multimedia use... iPhone, Touch HD? I don't think I've ever seen a businessman complain "oh man this screen is too small", if that were the case all businesses would have 42" LCD monitors for their computers.
Hi All,
A rather large review of the XPERIA X1 has been published at German Areamobile. Pretty much the first one to go into such depth as they did.
Although the review is originally written in German, thanks to Google all us non-German speaking/reading folks can have a go at it as well.
http://translate.google.com/transla...e.de/tests/Sony_Ericsson_Xperia_X1/teil_I.php
Major Cons:
1. Flash on the camera is not good.
2. Some panels can take upto 2 to 4 seconds to refresh/load up at times. (He goes on to say in the conclusion that the lag will most likely be improved in a firmware update later)
Some things to note:
1. The reviewer says: "To put it in a nutshell: Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 is faster than HTC Touch Diamond, HTC Touch Pro and Samsung i900 Omnia."
2. He goes on to say: "The touch screen also reacts more sensitive than those competitors." But it is behind Apple iPhone and also HTC Touch HD in terms of screen as well as speed.
Best Regards.
i would say that is true. In other words its the best win mobile phone atm
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i would say that is true. In other words its the best win mobile phone atm
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I'll probably have to agree with that.
I'm a little baffled how it manages to "outspeed" the Touch pro when they have the same processor and the Pro has more RAM. Is there some aspect of the hardware where they differ that I'm overlooking (did the 128MB of "extra RAM" for the graphics turn out true?)
Or is it more a matter of superior drivers? If so is the possibility of porting Xperia drivers to the Pro open? I'm still see-sawing between Xperia and Touch pro. My initial call was to take the "hit" in inferior screen for far superior Keyboard and TV-out and get a TP along with paying extra for an extended battery, but it seems the more I read the less clear it gets (especially when I see some of the issues the Touch Pro has on its board).
It seems every day I read something that changes my mind, lol.
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I'm a little baffled how it manages to "outspeed" the Touch pro when they have the same processor and the Pro has more RAM. Is there some aspect of the hardware where they differ that I'm overlooking (did the 128MB of "extra RAM" for the graphics turn out true?)
Or is it more a matter of superior drivers? If so is the possibility of porting Xperia drivers to the Pro open? I'm still see-sawing between Xperia and Touch pro. My initial call was to take the "hit" in inferior screen for far superior Keyboard and TV-out and get a TP along pay extra for an extended battery, but it seems the more I read the less clear it gets (especially when I see some of the issues the Touch Pro has on its board).
It seems every day I read something that changes my mind, lol.
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Buy my Touch Pro - got it back from repaircenter today and ouch - it feels cheap, slow and ugly compared to the Xperia after using the Xperia for some time now Was thinking of keeping it as substitute for my Iphone but I don´t even wanna use it anymore
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Buy my Touch Pro - got it back from repaircenter today and ouch - it feels cheap, slow and ugly compared to the Xperia after using the Xperia for some time now Was thinking of keeping it as substitute for my Iphone but I don´t even wanna use it anymore
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How much?
And yes, I only can say it again and again: Why did they do not write they played with a prototype? On the picture without battery one clearly can see (if you know how it is written and easier if you have seen it before): Prototype build PQ2 and the nect line: Prototype not for sale
I don't know how far the prototype reaches the end-build, but there is written prototype!
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How much?
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I am selling it for 4000:- Swedish kronor with car mount, 8 GB memorycard, two wallchargers and one carcharger Hardly used, had it two weeks untill it died and then it took four weeks to get it back from HTC - they really suck on support
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Well im pretty sure the graphics ram amount is true because it is faster then the touch pro without a doubt. Just starting up is faster then the touch pro. If not htc/sonyericsson just implemented the hardware better in the x1. Now im just waiting for a proper touchflo 3d release for the x1 then i wont even look at the htc phones for awhile
For how long has the german version been out?
p.s. and why is it without memory card?
The review is generally very positive for the Xperia.
But also a few things that are not quite right.
**"Aluminum Contruction". What? All specs call for Steel.
**"No 3D support". That's ridiculous. The Qualcomm chip has one of the best 2d/3d hardware/drivers support in the Industry. Check the video info in qualcomm's data sheet (bit longer to load, please wait....)
http://www.datasheetpro.com/817053_download_MSM7200_datasheet.html
**The panels takes up to 4secs. -- They have a proto with an old ROM. Latest videos feels smooth and quick.
**"Faster than Diamond & Pro." This one I believe them. Why? fine built vs cheap built. For example: same 3.2 mp camera but they explained why Xperia's is better. But definitely what can make a big difference is the better and faster graphics, so apps don't stay iddle while waiting for display to be done. They even compare with iPhone :
..."the highly sensitive touch screen can only be with the Apple iPhone 3G compare."
They praised the bigger keys and better layout of the keyboard. I like that.
I love the final sentence:
..."Thereafter, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1, without doubt to a new reference, to which all others must be measured."...
YEAH!!
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**"No 3D support". That's ridiculous. The Qualcomm chip has one of the best 2d/3d hardware/drivers support in the Industry. Check the video info in qualcomm's data sheet (bit longer to load, please wait....)
http://www.datasheetpro.com/817053_download_MSM7200_datasheet.html
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Are you kidding? And you trust all those BS on the paper? You better do some more research like http://www.htcclassaction.org/. So far, Qualcomm CPU is the worst (compare to Intel Xscale and Samsung) in any 2D/3D benchmark on all the pda I have.
Dissection - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/10/22/video-sony-ericssons-xperia-x1-gets-white-glove-dissection/
http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/product/3G/931sh/#specs
it's in japanese. but the jist of it:
3.8 inch, 1024x 480 HXGA, 3g, gps, 5.2 mpix camera with auto focus with IMAGE STABLIZER, accelerometer, and built-in TV tuner.
Hmmm... I think not, just one of those cheap Japanese junk gadgets. Ever heard of Aquos before? Also its not WM. The HD lives on the be the victor!!
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http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/product/3G/931sh/#specs
it's in japanese. but the jist of it:
3.8 inch, 1024x 480 HXGA, 3g, gps, 5.2 mpix camera with auto focus with IMAGE STABLIZER, accelerometer, and built-in TV tuner.
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Is it even a windows mobile phone?
And if it was that good, it would have had an 8x analog zoom lens and a processor with the speed of an Atom....
Sadly these phones will never leave Asia...
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Hmmm... I think not, just one of those cheap Japanese junk gadgets. Ever heard of Aquos before? Also its not WM. The HD lives on the be the victor!!
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The website did mention (at the bottom of the first of the four tabs) something about microsoft corporation registered trade mark, not sure if it was referring to the OS or something else related to media.
but umm.. you never heard of Aquos?!?!?! shame on you they are the premiere brand in LCD and LCD TV!!!!!!!!!! Sharp Aquos is like one of the top brand LCD/Plasma TV there is. Their LCD quality is second to none.. well may be Sony's up there. but you know what i mean.
samsung make all the screens though lol!
SOFTBANK 931SH from Sharp Corporation.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ACCESS-NetFront-Browser-Widgets-Empower/story.aspx?guid={6E244C97-43E9-4628-8633-FD5EA19925C0}
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?p=33382614#post33382614
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Hmmm... I think not, just one of those cheap Japanese junk gadgets. Ever heard of Aquos before? Also its not WM. The HD lives on the be the victor!!
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You might be right, I was ripped off before buying cheap Japanese mobile from eBay and did not last 6 month before stop working.. I will not pay a penny to buy those phone, stick to the brand you know... like Htc, Sony etc..
Yeah, truly a great phone...not. Design so yesterday...and Sharp...lousiest customer service ever.
Not even close to beating the HD! No WM...LOL
Sure, it has higher resolution but software wise, no comparison...
This phone as I realized from the promotion video is targeted strictly to japanese audience...
It's SOOO japanese... I'm not worried at all, blackstone still the best
Here's another article of the phone...
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/30/softbank-introduces-sharp-aquos-fulltouch-slider-with-quasi-xga/
it would be better if the sliding keyboard were horizontal instead of verticle like that. also, if it was qwerty, not number keys.
now that more information came out. it looks like it doesn't have WM. i don't feel too bad about my touch hd pre-order. but i am very very interested to see how the aquos LCD performs on that phone... at that resolution. i guess we can't have the best of both worlds. and besides dont' think it will ever make it out of japan.
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lol just thought of something based on your comment, made in japan vs. made in china, ummm..
HD still better!
Screen size!!!, etc
This one is not WM at all!
man this thing owns itself. I would rather have no keyboard at all than that keyboard. The only big deal thing is the resolution, which is slightly higher than the HD, BIG DEAL
It's the whole package that counts
Sorry guys but I think that the HD is probably the best device we are about to see using WM since this operating system does not support resolutions greater than WVGA.WM at firrst wouldn't even support WVGA, it could only go up to VGA, and they reeeeally tried to make it work for both HD AND Xperia (yes, since SE is new to WM the whole project was made real by HTC, which of course tells us something more about the quality of HD and its superiority over SE, even though I admit that I find SE environment more usable than TF3D).
I don't really know if the resolution restriction is going to be surpassed with WM 7. If not the only area of improvement is going to be the processor (and not THAT much since huge batteries will then be a must), and the touch screen responsivness (let's admit it, iPhone may be useless as a machine but it's responsivness is just out of this world).
If you wanted to look at screen resolution alone, Japanese phones have had 854x480 "16:9 widescreen" displays for years now, with a handful of them touchscreen capable.
But everything else (no WM, Japan-only features, numeric keypad instead of qwerty keyboard, etc) only makes sense inside the Japanese cellphone market. Anywhere outside of Japan and those phones are always lackluster.
Put it differently: if people consider the iPhone and HTC's WM devices to be in two completely different markets, then Japanese phones fall under their own category, so of course there's no comparison.
Can't understand the hyping about the Touch HD.
For me it is just a bigger version of the Touch Diamond....
And also it is really questionable whether the digicam is better or even worse compared to the one of a touch pro.
Otherwise i can't see new hardware.
Optimized software.
Nothing mindblowing.
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Can't understand the hyping about the Touch HD.
For me it is just a bigger version of the Touch Diamond....
And also it is really questionable whether the digicam is better or even worse compared to the one of a touch pro.
Otherwise i can't see new hardware.
Optimized software.
Nothing mindblowing.
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HTC broke a lot of ground with the Diamond, but a lot of users have had complaints about some of the Diamond's limitations. The HD arguably picks up where the Diamond left off. Namely:
- More memory.
- MicroSD card slot (currently up to 16gb).
- Larger standard battery.
- 3.5mm headphone jack.
Other points are debatable (whether you really need 800x480, 5mp camera, etc), but they're certainly not worse than the Diamond.
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Can't understand the hyping about the Touch HD.
For me it is just a bigger version of the Touch Diamond....
And also it is really questionable whether the digicam is better or even worse compared to the one of a touch pro.
Otherwise i can't see new hardware.
Optimized software.
Nothing mindblowing.
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The Hype is not because it's a bigger version of the Touch Diamond, but because in the first time in many years HTC does a phone with a screen bigger than 2.8", VGA and a little more affordable. I know that HTC has even one model with 3.5" and several bigger than 3.5" but those don't count cause they are a lot bigger, heavier and a lot more expansive.