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X1 is definitely going to be released in October in my country; but I'm still undecided about which one of them I will buy, here are what I like and dislike/less like with each one of them
X1
+ the best hardware design of the 3, I like the curved slide, I like those LEDs, I like the 3.5mm jack, I like the memory slot and finally I like that it is the most packed with hardware buttons than 'virtual buttons' found in the others.
+ the screen size/res
+ best video recording
+/- 384 final RAM which is still yet to be seen about the performance
+/- I like the panels, but IMO in their current condition they feel somewhat raw and lack of polish; the poker style stacked panels are useless and a waste of resources they should have been created something more functional for example like windows XP's filmstrip folder viewing style in which we could be able to switch between panels without having to press the panels button -which feel like unnecessary 'back' button-
- and with my previous point they should have add an accelerometer, so that other than finger swiping between panels (ala touch flo) perhaps we should be able to shake the X1 to switch between panels. (oh come on SE, even W910 had this, why not your flagship?)
- I'm not convinced as to whether SE has done a good job in reshaping the default WinMo UI or not, in fact based on previews, I didn't see anything has been done to it, they (SE) just babbling over and over and over about the panels
- I'm also worried about the pre-installed software, there are no info about anything else than Opera and handago client (which are quite useless in my country due to slow, somewhat unstable and rather expensive 3G cost) that will come with the phone, and it caught my eye that they integrated contacts in multimedia panels! Isn't it weird?
- rather small onboard storage
Touch Pro
+ Touch Flo 3D, IMO the only solution capable of rivaling Iphone's multitouch UI now in WinMo
+ somewhat more convincing keyboard
+ community support
+ 'hidden features' ----> which I'm doubting it will also exist in X1
- lack of 3.5mm jack
- glossy design
- 4:3 display
- slightly heavier than X1
- no stutter button for the camera
- ugly video recording res
- I''m not fond of the HTC's wheel button.
Omnia
+ sleek design
+ hapstick mode, anything full touch screen capable phone should have this feature, how come those phone makers designers didn't think about it
+ 5MP camera with face detection, smiley detection, geo tagging support out of the box
+ a quite good UI, including the reshaped default WinMo UI, it may not as appealing as Touch Flo 3D, but it is at least functioning well
+ 16GB storage + expansion, holy ****, this set the standard for the industry!
+/- largest display size between the 3, I've seen people bashing it res, but my experience with SE P900 was that the res are OKAY, in fact I can browse quite comfortably with my SE M600i which is smaller in size and display res compared to P900 *edit* I checked and realized that I was wrong about the display res in P900 compared to M600i, the M600i is more pixels packed, but still of course way behind X1, but my point is that those res aren't that bad like what many have criticized it.
- no physical keyboard
- no STYLUS slot lol, unless they have a screen with minimum 5 inch in diagonal never forget stylus!
- the display is said to be somewhat poor under sunlight
- only 128MB RAM
- somewhat just an average optical mouse/joystick pad with no d-pad capable like in X1
any suggestion? comments? I would like to hear things from those who have experience with TP and Omnia.
is there/will there be any device that could combine those 3 strength before next year?
You first must know, what you want to do with. Then the first decisionis with or without hardware keyboard.
I wouldn't do again without. In each software you have to make inputs like writing webadresses, logins or equal you loose a lot of the screen, if you don't have an hardware keyboard. For this reason, I would not do without.
If you don't need a keyboard compare the omnia with the new HTC touch hd. This has a bigger (3,8") and more powerfull (WVGA) screen.
With the omnia samsung went only the half way -the low resolution is not the future... But it is faster in some feelings, as WVGA. If you once had a VGA/WVGA, you will not do without any more. This is the opinion of ALL the people I know, who changed from QVGA to VGA or WVGA.
The touch pro may be not so bad, but for me the display is much too small. I am used to WVGA since a good year now and do not want to miss. The 160 Pixel more length are more than much usefull - I recognize it every day. Even 3" WVGA is a bit smaller than 2,8" VGA you feel the difference clearly.
For that reason the X1 is the only device on the market, I could buy. Never Toshiba again, because they have absolutely no custom service.
Or you could wait for the HTC HD Pro - the HD with a keyboard
probably will be too long to wait, and I haven't hear about HTC make that?
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Or you could wait for the HTC HD Pro - the HD with a keyboard
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Nothing like that announced so far...
But knowing HTC they'll make it just to screw with me
If they were to suddenly announce a HD Pro, my Touch Pro might not be in once piece.
I don't guess HTC will make a touch HD Pro -to big, to heavy for their customers. But if they do so, I would think of buying it, even after having bought the X1. You know:
The better is the enemy of the good
Omnia comes with an awesome camera... but the most disappointing thing is its stylus and no slot to put it in. But it definitely has no comparison with Touch Pro and Xperia - not just 'cos of no keyboard, but because it lacks the power that those two sets carry - way too low RAM in comparison to them.
Furthermore, Omnia is limited to 16 GB Maximum. Both Touch Pro and Xperia can be expanded upto a whooping 32 GB - and not to mention since it is Micro SD, you can swap cards, put it easily in a card-reader and use as needed and so on.
Samsung Omnia is an extremely impressive set, but it definitely fails to impress when you bring in Touch Pro and Xperia into the ring. So... don't even consider that.
Touch HD is going to be the iPhone killer - full touch screen with improved touch sensitivity than Touch Pro and probably carrying far more features than the Touch Pro. The screen of the Touch HD goes head on with Xperia, but it leaves Xperia behind when it comes to the Camera as it has a 5 MP camera on its back.
So the question is... Do you want a keyboard on your device? If the answer is not necessary, then you should do be thinking Touch HD VS Xperia otherwise stick with Touch Pro VS Xperia.
There is no such thing as an "iPhone Killer". I don't know how often I have read "XYZ phone, the next iPhone Killer?" - and the answer is always "no".
It's not because the iPhone is so much better then other phones, it's because it has a superb marketing and some stylish gadgets included while Windows Mobile devices don't.
It's the same for iPod. There are for sure other good MP3 players out there, but everyone knows iPod.
So please let's stay away from this in this Xperia thread, because the iPhone got already killed as far as I'm concerned.
Touch HD vs Xperia
The comparison has been moved here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430938
Read and then cast your vote.
If you want a comparison between Touch Pro and Xperia... then go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430937
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.
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There is no such thing as an "iPhone Killer". I don't know how often I have read "XYZ phone, the next iPhone Killer?" - and the answer is always "no".
It's not because the iPhone is so much better then other phones, it's because it has a superb marketing and some stylish gadgets included while Windows Mobile devices don't.
It's the same for iPod. There are for sure other good MP3 players out there, but everyone knows iPod.
So please let's stay away from this in this Xperia thread, because the iPhone got already killed as far as I'm concerned.
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Actually i didn't mean it like that. Sorry for making it sound so. By 'iPhone Killer' i tend to imply a phone that can be considered comparable to the iPhone... one that gives the user a choice.
I have an iPhone and have been using it since over an year now, and i can pretty much say that it definitely will stand its ground in the market - well maybe its sales will reduce and all, but it'll stay.
@msalmank
I totally agree with you: The iPhone has its place and will stay.
One thing I'd like to add to this comparison between Touch HD/Pro and Xperia:
The Touch Pro has a weak 3G reception. I still wonder why this problem is never mentioned in such comparisons. Unfortunately we do not have enough information concerning the Xperia and reception quality, but it should be something well considered.
What is a 3,8'' Touchscreen worth if you have no signal to display the required information on it?
As far as I'm concerned, one of the basic features regarding a smartphone is still "connectivity". Weak connectivity = crappy phone.
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@msalmank
I totally agree with you: The iPhone has its place and will stay.
One thing I'd like to add to this comparison between Touch HD/Pro and Xperia:
The Touch Pro has a weak 3G reception. I still wonder why this problem is never mentioned in such comparisons. Unfortunately we do not have enough information concerning the Xperia and reception quality, but it should be something well considered.
What is a 3,8'' Touchscreen worth if you have no signal to display the required information on it?
As far as I'm concerned, one of the basic features regarding a smartphone is still "connectivity". Weak connectivity = crappy phone.
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Touch HD will be better than Touch Pro. We already have larger screen, more pixels on the camera, greater sensitivity on the touch screen... and so we can only wait an see if 3G receipt will be any better or not. But thank you for this, i've added this in the comparison above as #7...
And yep... the iPhone will definitely stay. Even i'm considering not to sell of my iPhone and keep it as an iPod Touch or backup phone with tons of games loaded on it...
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Omnia comes with an awesome camera... but the most disappointing thing is its stylus and no slot to put it in. But it definitely has no comparison with Touch Pro and Xperia - not just 'cos of no keyboard, but because it lacks the power that those two sets carry - way too low RAM in comparison to them.
Furthermore, Omnia is limited to 16 GB Maximum. Both Touch Pro and Xperia can be expanded upto a whooping 32 GB - and not to mention since it is Micro SD, you can swap cards, put it easily in a card-reader and use as needed and so on.
Samsung Omnia is an extremely impressive set, but it definitely fails to impress when you bring in Touch Pro and Xperia into the ring. So... don't even consider that.
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please research again, OMNIA is equipped with onboard 16GB storage, and can still use micro SD....
and by the way, I don't compare the touch hd here, so which one of X1, TP and Omnia that would be the best buy?
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please research again, OMNIA is equipped with onboard 16GB storage, and can still use micro SD....
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Ahhh! yes. thank you for correcting me. Samsung Omnia can definitely be carry a Micro SD card, but at the max of 16 GB. So at max it can have 32 GB (considering you have the 16 GB set)
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and by the way, I don't compare the touch hd here, so which one of X1, TP and Omnia that would be the best buy?
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Read and then cast your vote: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430937 (Touch Pro Vs. Xperia)
Despite Omnia allowing up to 32 GB memory in total, it still falls behind Xperia and Touch Pro. I might however do a comparison - according to my understanding - between Omnia and Xperia later today or tomorrow.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid
so, I'm back to my original intention, which one to pick between these 3? My points stand still since what I guessed before about X1 appeared to be true -save the rotation button lol-
Bit late to start a petition, but I would have signed it!!!
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so, I'm back to my original intention, which one to pick between these 3? My points stand still since what I guessed before about X1 appeared to be true -save the rotation button lol-
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Don't know why the omnia is being dismissed - it has the most powerful processor and I'm not sure the Ram is an issue because of the internal memory has speeded up to the same level. What I would question about HTC and the Sony is the build quality as both of them are in fact out of Htc's factory
I'm currently using an Xperia after 3 months of Touch Pro usage; the things important for me are covered in this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3028394&postcount=25
..as for the Omnia: I haven't even tested it because it has no HW keyboard and it has a low res display -> altogether different type of phones in my opinion..
Some time early next year i will be upgrading my good old Imate Jamin with a new phone... Currently i am considering these 2 phones...
Both are solid build by HTC, both have 800x480 screen.
So what did i find out untill now...
Big beautifull screen vs small beautifull screen.... Blackstone
Nice keyboard vs No keyboard..........................Xperia
Quallcom processor vs Quallcom processor..........Tie
Good 5 Mpix camera vs superb 3.2 Mpix cam.......Tie
Qvga Video vs VGA video at 30 fps....................Xperia
GPS without software vs GPS with pay software...Tie
Touchflow 3D vs Pannels..................................Tie
Motion sensor vs no motion sensor.....................Blackstone
No joystick vs mini joystick and Other buttons......Xperia
So far it comes pretty close to a tie... AS i really like the awesome screen and the motion sensor from the HD, but i will abssolutely miss the keyboard, controll buttons and VGA video...........
Downside of both phones should be their low processing power...
What else can you add to my comparison ?
Lord.Bachus said:
Some time early next year i will be upgrading my good old Imate Jamin with a new phone... Currently i am considering these 2 phones...
Both are solid build by HTC, both have 800x480 screen.
So what did i find out untill now...
Big beautifull screen vs small beautifull screen.... Blackstone
Nice keyboard vs No keyboard..........................Xperia
Quallcom processor vs Quallcom processor..........Tie
Good 5 Mpix camera vs superb 3.2 Mpix cam.......Tie
Qvga Video vs VGA video at 30 fps....................Xperia
GPS without software vs GPS with pay software...Tie
Touchflow 3D vs Pannels..................................Tie
Motion sensor vs no motion sensor.....................Blackstone
No joystick vs mini joystick and Other buttons......Xperia
So far it comes pretty close to a tie... AS i really like the awesome screen and the motion sensor from the HD, but i will abssolutely miss the keyboard, controll buttons and VGA video...........
Downside of both phones should be their low processing power...
What else can you add to my comparison ?
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Design:
Xperia = 3
HD = 10
On that field HD wins easyly, my opinion of course
Screen size - Blackstone
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: ??
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone
Price: Blackstone
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Screen size - Blackstone
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: ??
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone
Price: Blackstone
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Screen size - Blackstone (Big screen easy to use even without stylus, vs X1 where you often have no choice than to work with the stylus.)
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: Blackstone (Simple, effective. just nice and good.)
Performance: Blackstone (Smooth and faster. higher performance [tested by some german reviews]. Vs X1 which is laggy especially where it shouldn't be: on its panels! Up to 4 seconds!! waiting time when switching panels)
Multimedia: Blackstone (Bigger screen -> much nicer to watch movies, and pictures. Better sound quality [tested by german reviewers]. X1 has no equalizer onboard.)
Browsing the net: Blackstone (Again bigger screen -> reading webpages and surfing much more comfortable. X1 doesn't support flash out of the box [maybe same with the Blackstone] but as testet in reviews, it can lead to problems when you try to install flashlite on the X1.)
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone (i prefer slim but wider over, bulky. but thats just peronal at least, slim devices fit more into pockets or bags)
Writing: Blackstone (Now thats really jsut a personal choic. But i prefer a virtual keybord. its just that when i am writing a message, i tend to look on the screen to see what i am doing but when working with a keypad, i have to look on the keys [especially when its hard to feel a differents between the buttos as with the X1 and other phones] Also, adding a keyboard to a phone, makes almost twice the sice [Diamond -> Touch Pro]. And many people who bought such phones, often come to the conclusion that thay don't really use the keyboard most of the time.)
The Xperia will have a specific interface base on SPB mobile shell
Huck33 said:
The Xperia will have a specific interface base on SPB mobile shell
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Yes it is all over youtube, it is one of the many panels.
Raziel1 said:
Screen size - Blackstone (Big screen easy to use even without stylus, vs X1 where you often have no choice than to work with the stylus.)
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: Blackstone (Simple, effective. just nice and good.)
Performance: Blackstone (Smooth and faster. higher performance [tested by some german reviews]. Vs X1 which is laggy especially where it shouldn't be: on its panels! Up to 4 seconds!! waiting time when switching panels)
Multimedia: Blackstone (Bigger screen -> much nicer to watch movies, and pictures. Better sound quality [tested by german reviewers]. X1 has no equalizer onboard.)
Browsing the net: Blackstone (Again bigger screen -> reading webpages and surfing much more comfortable. X1 doesn't support flash out of the box [maybe same with the Blackstone] but as testet in reviews, it can lead to problems when you try to install flashlite on the X1.)
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone (i prefer slim but wider over, bulky. but thats just peronal at least, slim devices fit more into pockets or bags)
Writing: Blackstone (Now thats really jsut a personal choic. But i prefer a virtual keybord. its just that when i am writing a message, i tend to look on the screen to see what i am doing but when working with a keypad, i have to look on the keys [especially when its hard to feel a differents between the buttos as with the X1 and other phones] Also, adding a keyboard to a phone, makes almost twice the sice [Diamond -> Touch Pro]. And many people who bought such phones, often come to the conclusion that thay don't really use the keyboard most of the time.)
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keyboard is just like insurance, you never know when you really really need it.
d2ey said:
keyboard is just like insurance, you never know when you really really need it.
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A thin device is an advantage, not the missing keyboard. I am curious how well the typing will be. What do the Diamond colleagues say about this?
Xperia has some additional hardware graphics acceleration from ATI while Touch HD to my understanding only uses the acceleration provided by Qualcomm CPU - Xperia uses this as well. This point goes to Xperia. And this might be important for video viewing, coding/encoding. Not so much for the panels ... I do not care too much about the panels.
Eriol
Well this Diamond colleague says I like the keyboard on the Diamond although it is not as fast as a tactile keyboard. However, not because of the reason I expected (the fact that you cannot feel the buttons) as I got used to that quite fast but rather because the keyboard is a bit cramped on the diamond and therefore I miss keys sometimes. The landscape keyboard is really nice and I can imagine that with the added width it will be much less of a problem. Using the suretype keyboard I can type as fast as anything, if the keys were bigger it would be even faster.
Conclusion: I do not miss a tactile keyboard, but I do miss the real estate to put a virtual variant on. So with the HD I will have very little use for a tactile keyboard! My two cents.
As a Touch Pro owner I've learned that for my typical use the keyboard is not much of an asset -- I've found that I've become so accustomed to the virtual keyboard, especially the improved virtual keyboard choices in the Diamond/Touch Pro series, that I hardly ever even open the sliding keyboard. So for me the HD seems like a better choice than the X1 because it offers much greater screen real estate so using the virtual keyboard has less impact on what I'm typing into. My advice: if you really like using the hardware keyboard, try using the virtual keyboard exclusively for awhile to see if you can adapt (I know the virtual keyboard on your Jamin is small and more difficult to use but it still might help you evaluate that) -- if you can adapt to the virtual keyboard then the HD might be your better choice. If not, and you really need the hardware keyboard I suggest you should stick with a model that includes it. The problem in today's market is these devices are so expensive, if we make the wrong choice it's expensive to correct it.
Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia ??
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia ??
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia YES, microSD
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia 1500
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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PJ6363 said:
Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia ??
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia ??
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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Xperia has an SD slot......
Xperia is rumored to have the longer battery life
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Xperia has some additional hardware graphics acceleration from ATI while Touch HD to my understanding only uses the acceleration provided by Qualcomm CPU - Xperia uses this as well.
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If this is true, Xperia would be a leap ahead of HTC...
I never understood HTC's pollicy not to use some of the speciall embedded Quallcom hardware...
For 3D gaming the Xperia will be a better deal as well ... The HD is missing some control buttons for this as well. But, honestly, 3D gaming is not what I want to do with this hardware ...
We will see how Xperia and HD perform on video viewing and things like this.
Eriol
The only Games i like to play on my Prophet are the oldscool LucasArts Adventures and some strategy games, and they will be fantastic to play on a screen like the Touch HDs. For 3D Gaming i prefer my PC, ive no need to play shooters with bad graphics and without mouse
I will definately buy a Touch HD as soon as it comes out.
If this is true, Xperia would be a leap ahead of HTC...
I never understood HTC's pollicy not to use some of the speciall embedded Quallcom hardware...
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As far as i heard its the other way around:
Xperia has no graphic chip while the HD has got one. But whatever is true, areamobile and other reviewers teste it and said, that the X1 has got horrible performance in 3D and not that good in 2D. (the panels are just one of the main moments where you will see this). They also compared the X1 to the HD and said that the HD has got more power and better performance.
Battery life of the X1 is pretty good as tested. it has 1500 battery in it, while the HD has got a 1350 battery. But on the other hand, they couldn't test the HD battery. What they found out so far, is that it seems to live upt to its promised hours (which are higher than that of the X1) and that the testers where very surprised and positive, that the HD backlight doesn't use much power and as so, doesn't really impact bettery life. And that the HD performes very good on 3G, because of sime kind of new chip improvements HTC made (they asked HTC about it and recieved a statement about new architekute or improvements of their qualcomm chip)
camera/speed
as much as i believe X1 will have a waaaay better camera. Base on the reviews i've seen, the panels is so slow that makes the user feels like running vista on 512Ram. reminds me of touchflo when they first came out. what do you guys think?
i used the wizard for years, with the keyboard, then i moved to the trinity (no keyboard) thinking i was loosing a lot (but i had to buy it in a rush since i broke the wizard). Conclusion: i got used to it after few weeks and i have a much more handy device. Now i already ordered the touch hd since the extra value of a sliding keyboard is not compensated by the actual use. If i have to type a lot, i use a ...laptop... or an external bluetooth keyboard (i have a freedom keyboard which is actually very bad - but i am thinking about the dinovo mini for the touch hd)....
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i used the wizard for years, with the keyboard, then i moved to the trinity (no keyboard) thinking i was loosing a lot (but i had to buy it in a rush since i broke the wizard). Conclusion: i got used to it after few weeks and i have a much more handy device. Now i already ordered the touch hd since the extra value of a sliding keyboard is not compensated by the actual use. If i have to type a lot, i use a ...laptop... or an external bluetooth keyboard (i have a freedom keyboard which is actually very bad - but i am thinking about the dinovo mini for the touch hd)....
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Dinovo Mini would be a nice idea i got one myself. the good thing is the touchpad, which works as a mousepad and as cursors at the same time. (Holding down the FN buttons switches the modes) or you cqan just use a little slider on the top to switch the mode of the dinovo. The only thing you will have to do, is to download the program AEKMap and the dinovo map file, so that you get all keys like F1-F12
considering that the Experia once have lost against the XDA Diamond (another compare somewhere in the board) and that the Touch HD is a further stage of PDA, not to say the state of the art, i think there is no need to compare both of them to find out, wo is the winner
Ok guys just trying to get opinions out there. Currently using the Touch HD. Came from a Nokia device so I love the speed of symbian compared to Windows. It seems like the time has come for me to figure out if I want to keep the Touch HD or not.
Pro:
I love the big screen.
It looks sleek.
Easy to flashfirmware and tweaking performance is fun.
Con:
Incoming calls is a little laggy. Sometimes calls come in as unknown.
Phone feels a slower than ones I've used before.
No TV-Out.
*Having a keyboard would be a plus. But without it is not a Con*
I'm actually debating getting rid of the Touch HD for either the Xperia X1i/X1a so I would gain a keyboard and overall use would stay the same.
Or I thought about getting the Nokia 5800 tube, so that I gain the TV-Out feature to display gps on my indash and have the feel of symbian again.
Or ultimate would be to get the new n97 which has a large screen and keyboard.
What do you guys think? I think the biggest thing bothering me is the phone feelings a bit laggy compared to my previous nokia phones.
try keyboard in landscape mode man it works very well.
incomoingcall work well to me too.
after using it i dont wanna come back with symbyan anymore
Sorry but you knew it had no keyboard when you got it so if it is a "con" and not a "pro", why did you get it in the first place?
well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.
I dunno, going to the X1 isn't going to do much for you other than the physical keyboard. It sounds like love Symbian so maybe just wait for the N97.
I have both Nokia n95 an htc HD, HD is much better! 1 thing above all: HD is fully customizable, and you can improve it with new official roms or with a lot of cooked roms.......
Hello
I have the HD and the Nokia Tube.
The Nokia Tube is crap.
Slow as hell, and the worst GUI i have ever seen.
Flash a few cooked roms first... see if that makes your HD the device you always wanted...
do you recomend any?
I also own a n95 and the hd, and the nokia is no match for the hd in any aspect. Once you get used to the hd big screen and lots of features, you wonder how you could waste your money in the nokia set.
The hd is fairly fast for me, the gps works much better than the n95's. It fully customizable, the battery lasts longer, the rds radio of the hd is much better that the visual radio of the n95 (in Spain the rds system is spread all around the country while the visual radio is scarcely used), there's a lot of sotware available for the hd... in summary, i would't change it.
But each user asks for different features so...that's just my opinion.
Cheeze[iT] said:
well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.
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Symbian UI sux the biggest time ever!!!!
There is no Symbian or Nokia I have ever tried that is nice or fast, the N96 is a piece of s..t! I stompted on the damn thing into pieces, seriously, kept freezing and the menu's are a nightmare, menu's within menus within more menus.... The "cons" you mentioned are nothing compared to any Symbian.
"TV Out" its a gimic function of Samsung and Nokia, the quality of TV Out function is way way below VHS quality making it a whole waste of time IMHO, anyway just my 2 cents in a useless topic.
Perhaps Symbian seems more suited to your needs
I went shopping for a new HTC device yesterday.
I looked at the Diamond, Touch Pro, Xperia X1, G1 and the Touch HD.
I found the Diamond's screen size to adequate, but the lack of storage card baffles me.
The Touch Pro was just to heavy but the keyboard was very useable + storage card.
The Xperia's keyboard felt better, but the weight killed it for me. The screen is also far too small to handle WVGA.
The G1's 16million colurs makes the same difference with the screen as an iPod. HTC really should move to 16M colours asap. The interface was great, but you can tell it is in its infancy. I will be watching Android keenly over the next year.
Then we have the HD :
The screen size makes a huge difference - 3.8" WVGA is the perfect size for this res (2.8" is borderline too small).
The device is the exact same size as the iPhone (I think the box matches Apple's packaging as well...) This fits nicely in the hand and feels very light.
The screen size also helps with finger inputs, even on the standard keyboard!
The device is fast. I found no lag running through the programs, even while leaving 10 open. The 512Mb RAM certainly helps there.
A hardware keyboard for me is a con. When I moved to one (XDA Mini S), I found it strange to get used, but percivered, when I moved back to an onscreen keyboard, I certainly did not miss the physical kb.
After playing with all 5 devices, I have payed up for the HD.
It'll be delivered on Tuesday.
MrAce87 said:
do you recomend any?
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davideuck, believe me!
Thanks for input guys,
I do like the ability to flash new roms as I am trying to keep up with Laurentius26 and the L26 roms. It seems the V7 seems to be pretty responsive. As far as the tube VS touch HD Speed comparison, thanks for the info.
On the TV-Out feature, I would only use it to display GPS on my indash so I can easily get around by getting a decent car mount I guess. I've been keeping up with that thead and haven't found one I liked yet.
Bringing up the point that symbian isn't as customizable friendly I guess it would advantage me to stay with the touch so that I can always flash different roms and see which I like better. And between the Xperia and the Touch HD, thats going to be a hard button keyboard VS big screen.
Now to go read up on some more interesting apps/games to install. Thanks again guys! Keep the input coming if you like! I appreciate it.
My first post here at xda, so forgive me while i get used to it ;-)
the touch hd is quite impressive as allrounder. i'm more than a little jealous of the screen compared to my own omnia.
but omnia is till my personal choise of today; huge internal memore (i currently use 16 gig + 16 gig sdhc) although it's 3.5mm jack is indirect, if does come as adapter in the sales box. it is a bit fatter than the hd though but not too much- 12.5mm. and it has the tv out u mentioned. anyway it is to my taste right now.
if u have the patience for future model i found some interresting ones here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/the_8_megapixel_samsung_i8910_records_hd_video_ready_to_roll-news-776.php
it seems the next generation of omnia. though rumor has it that it'll be running symbian instaid of wm... and by now i have gotten stuck on wm and its flexibillity. i'm not sure that i can go back. still if u look at its specks they doo make my mouth water- heh he.
http://www.gsmarena.com/toshiba_unleashes_the_tg01__the_ubersmartphone_to_rule_them_all-news-768.php
this one is a pure wm platform wich seems to leave even hd trailiang in the dust. but remember that with a screen as big as 4.1 inches u may need to resow your pockets in all shirts and pants. still size matters when using gui's and you hd is already a good example there.
none of them packs a built-in thumpboard though. for that u may need to to go n97, touch pro, xperia, HTC dream or G1. i've no experience with android yet. but as for wm's i hear experia is annoyingly slow, and if u already have trouble with the speed of the HD u may need to stay far away from this one. all of them packs better screenresolutions than omnia, but the benefits of higher resolution without bigger screen on these devices is argueable. on 3.2 inches i don't miss the extra pixels on windows mobile.
a good thing might be if others told about their experiences with various models. my dad for one would never trade in his HD for my omnia. but if i had to buy a new one today i'd still choose it over the others out there.
needs and tastes differ.
a little off toppic- sorry.
does anyone know if if it possible to mod s60-5th the same way as SPB and PointUI does it for wm? my only experience with it is n93 wich i kept as my primary for one and a half years. never thought of costumizing it though. and i've fallen in love with it on wm.
Cheeze,
I have the same problem.
X1 will have the same problem in terms of the lag.
keyboards are good, but you dont need them as much, you need to get use to the touch screen... give it more time...
If you want something just as good as the HD with no Lag, go iphone, but then you drop alot of good things with the HD.
i did at first contemplate selling off the HD and going in for the iphone, but i have used the iphone, and liked it for the whole 2 months i had it before i went to a smaller phone... and then to the HD...
the iphone was basic to what i needed it for, the hd works perfectly...
let me tell you, after 3 months, you will be fine with the hd, but the lag will increase... especially in calls... and if you are like me.. with an ever increaseing phone book addess list.. it doesnt help... due to work, my phone book is now at 500+, and that was after cutting it down due to the financial crises...
in all likelyhood i will go back to the iphone depending on what the next update is in July.. then in august will truely decide....
I to went from the HD to the iphone. I do miss the big screen and badass resolution but after a few weeks and jail breaking i dont even think about the hd or windows mobile for that matter.
Im currently looking to move from my Nokia E90 to The HD. I have never used a HD before so i cannot comment on it, but the Symbian email system is awful which is one of the reasons that im looking to move away from Symbian.
I have looked at the 5800 but it will be a "downgrade" from my E90. Also the N97 does look good but it only has 3 rows with the numbers intergrated into the top "qwerty" row.
That totally puts me off it
unhappy x1 owner
Better screen, lighter, better UI.
What are you looking for in the answers?
maybe you want to explain why are you unhappy with x1
browsing this forum will give you all informaton about issues of the Blackstone
you can even find some compartive benchmarks between HD and X1
so, what exactly do you want to know?
is touch hd faster less lag?
does the bigger screen keyboard makes up for the real keyboard of x1?
does the battery last longer?
leobox1 said:
is touch hd faster less lag?
does the bigger screen keyboard makes up for the real keyboard of x1?
does the battery last longer?
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no
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don't think so
? so u mean x1 is better??
no i don't mean that as long as i own a HD and not X1
in some aspects HD is better is some other aspects is X1 that take the lead
for example, i never consider X1 just because it's thikness. i don't need the phisical keyboard because i don't text so much
so better is what is better TO YOU
how about the camera>
Definately Touch HD will be better because of 5MP camera compare to X1 only come with 3MP
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Definately Touch HD will be better because of 5MP camera compare to X1 only come with 3MP
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i seriously doubt that
htc cameras are well known being of poor quality. beside that it seems that the software is not well designed, as a lot of people noticed
on the other hand, sony is well known for quality cameras
so.....
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nope I dont think so... nearly the same... i compared them before buying my HD and to my mind the X1 is too bullky-to big. (FOR ME! Its my opinion, If you have big pockets, than its no problem!)
But I think you can play games better with yout X1! We dont have hardware buttons!!! :O
But I can read eBooks more comfortable , because the screen is a little bit bigger (but has the same resolution)
The screen makes all the difference, HD got a bigger and easy to use screen, X1 screen is recessed so you might have problems clicking on the screen limits like the X in the corner.
Also the keyboard and hardware keys of the X1 can be easy to use but they might fail after some time of intensive use.
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i seriously doubt that
htc cameras are well known being of poor quality. beside that it seems that the software is not well designed, as a lot of people noticed
on the other hand, sony is well known for quality cameras
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AFAIK, X1 is also manufactured by HTC, but for Sony. I don't recall where I read this, but this is what I have been lead to believe.
For me HD is awesome. Especially after upgrading/changing ROM. Absolutely love the high res, non-recessed screen. My only problem - complete lack of hardware buttons.
And it looks much much better than X1, but that's too subjective...
Internal hardware wise, I don't think it makes much of a difference. I've tried lots of HTC devices (including 200 MHz Omap processer - Charmer), and the only thing that makes a difference is amount of memory so that you can run more applications at the same time without worrying about running out of memory.
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AFAIK, X1 is also manufactured by HTC, but for Sony. I don't recall where I read this, but this is what I have been lead to believe.
that is true, x1 is made by htc
the difference is the software designed by se programmers, some drivers that htc usualy miss, small issues like that
i assume though that there are also some hardware components specificaly requested by se, like metal casing, for instance
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X1 better than the HD ?
Personally I don't think so.
If you're someone that texts allot, you'd be happy with the X1 since it has the physical keyboard.
But the HD is lighter, thinner and the TF3D is more user friendly than the standard WM6.1 stuff on the X1.
Though you can change all of that by flashing your device.
The battery of the HD is ok.
I play alot with it and the batterylife can reach like 2 days max.
If I stop playing with it and use it for phoning only, it may reach 3 days.
The screenquality on the HD is the thing that does it for me.
Since its a bigger screen, the experience of watching movies or streaming media is far cooler than you'll ever get on the X1.
Together with the big screen you'll find the 3.5 mm earjack which you can use to plug your favorite audiophone.
Don't know if the X1 has a extention to plug 3.5mm audiophones...
I'd choose for the HD.
X1 is more practical sometimes, but the HD is in my opinion very stylish.
Even more stylish than the Iphone... I think.
Greetings and goodluck
noris08 said:
i seriously doubt that
htc cameras are well known being of poor quality. beside that it seems that the software is not well designed, as a lot of people noticed
on the other hand, sony is well known for quality cameras
so.....
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Hmm I've had a few SE phones in recent history. I was very happy with my SE W810i, camera was pretty decent on that.
Upgraded to the K850i and hated the damn thing, especially the camera which while supposed to be 5mp was attrocious. I had so many faults with the model in the end Orange got sick of sending me new ones and upgraded me to the C902. Decent phone but again the camera was nothing special. I personally have found the quality on my HD better than the C902 which is also 5mp. I considered the X1 but have had so many issues with SE of late that i wanted to try something different and i am absolutely loving the HD so far.
touch hd
I have had my HD for severl months now and it is always failed to impress me (aprt from the gorgeous screen) by far the best HTC I have had were the orbit and XDA exec, both good phones. My only problem with it is that it was hiped to buggery when it was released as a super amazing fast all singing all dancing media phone, it isnt at all, it is a business phone, a slick shiny Iphone-esq one but a business phone nonetheless. it could have been so good, its hardware is outpaces game consoles and the iphone for instance. If it wasnt crippled by winmo and the lack of full 3d and video acceleration it would be the shoulders above the rest. I feel let down by HTC and I am not going to buy one again until they can properly optimise there hardware like Apple have done with the Iphone, you have to give it to Apple, they have squeezed every ounce of juice out of that bady they can, you only need to look at the wealth of app. I would sell my HD tomorrow if the Iphone wasnt so locked down and had a bigger screen, iphone next gen here I come...
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I have had my HD for severl months now and it is always failed to impress me (aprt from the gorgeous screen) by far the best HTC I have had were the orbit and XDA exec, both good phones. My only problem with it is that it was hiped to buggery when it was released as a super amazing fast all singing all dancing media phone, it isnt at all, it is a business phone, a slick shiny Iphone-esq one but a business phone nonetheless. it could have been so good, its hardware is outpaces game consoles and the iphone for instance. If it wasnt crippled by winmo and the lack of full 3d and video acceleration it would be the shoulders above the rest. I feel let down by HTC and I am not going to buy one again until they can properly optimise there hardware like Apple have done with the Iphone, you have to give it to Apple, they have squeezed every ounce of juice out of that bady they can, you only need to look at the wealth of app. I would sell my HD tomorrow if the Iphone wasnt so locked down and had a bigger screen, iphone next gen here I come...
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stoolzo said:
..iphone next gen here I come...
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I will have a iPhone AND a HD
iPhone for playing HD for everything else (movie watching, eading, working, learning, sms-ing, phoning xD
The next iPhone should have at least WVGA resolution until then-HD RULEZ
hi guys,
need your input here pls.
i am trying to decide whether to exchange my omnia2 for a hd mini.
is it worth it?
Hi,
I do not know thw ominia2 but HD mini is a very nice phone.
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- It works well and is very stable. No need to restart every day such other.
- Very responsive in regards to Diamond and Diamond2
- The size is perfect. Diamond had a too small screen, HD2 do not fit in the pocket. The HD mini fit just well in the front pocets of the gean's.
- Most of legacy such (tom tom Collins dic) run fine
- Most of new apps such (need for speed) run fine
- Screen is scrach resistant
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- Some new apps not, such SlideIT, I hope the next version.... because of special HVGA screen resolution
- It does not have front camera. (I never used it but...)
- Screen is scrach resistant but the front glas is not unbreackable. If the phone fall on concrete or ceramic.... shbriiik the glas explode. (i tested for you)
- No electronic compas like HD2, shame, it would be usefull
I do not see other defaults, I like it realy very much.
Hope it helps
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Hi,
I do not know thw ominia2 but HD mini is a very nice phone.
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- It works well and is very stable. No need to restart every day such other.
- Very responsive in regards to Diamond and Diamond2
- The size is perfect. Diamond had a too small screen, HD2 do not fit in the pocket. The HD mini fit just well in the front pocets of the gean's.
- Most of legacy such (tom tom Collins dic) run fine
- Most of new apps such (need for speed) run fine
- Screen is scrach resistant
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- Some new apps not, such SlideIT, I hope the next version.... because of special HVGA screen resolution
- It does not have front camera. (I never used it but...)
- Screen is scrach resistant but the front glas is not unbreackable. If the phone fall on concrete or ceramic.... shbriiik the glas explode. (i tested for you)
- No electronic compas like HD2, shame, it would be usefull
I do not see other defaults, I like it realy very much.
Hope it helps
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thanks. that was helpful.
anybody who has used omnia2 also? opinions welcome.
IMho : Samsung Omnia II i 8000 its far better then HTC HD Mini, because My friend at My office used Samsung Omnia II i 8000, and the Metatrader 4 Platform is running Well, the resolution is very bright (used AMOLED) and the screens is 3,7' more wide then HTC HD Mini (only 3.2')
The Product quality is more better rather then HTC.
The main advantage of HD mini over Omnia 2 is touch screen response. Omnia's response is very sluggish and fairly inaccurate. Even when compared to an average resistive screen. So the difference in experience is rather far apart. Needless to say, this makes touch typing a real pain.
Another minus point for Omnia is the UI. Not quite intuitive. To the point of being a bit confusing, if you're a first timer on this phone.
Omnia has got a faster processor. But because of its beautifully high resolution big screen, and lower RAM, it makes the phone seem slow.
Overall, the under-powered HD mini feels quicker and more responsive.
I had the same doubt and went for the Mini. The Omnia has a huge AMOLED screen, which is nice to look at, but makes the phone too big for me. And that's where the advantages end. Faster processor? Maybe, but so the HD2 does and the Mini feels smoother because of the software optimization. Then battery life is low, interface just sucks, it lags like hell... To be honest the only reason someone should go for the Omnia 2 instead of for the Mini is because for some reason he/she needs the bigger screen, otherwise I don't see the point
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I had the same doubt and went for the Mini. The Omnia has a huge AMOLED screen, which is nice to look at, but makes the phone too big for me. And that's where the advantages end. Faster processor? Maybe, but so the HD2 does and the Mini feels smoother because of the software optimization. Then battery life is low, interface just sucks, it lags like hell... To be honest the only reason someone should go for the Omnia 2 instead of for the Mini is because for some reason he/she needs the bigger screen, otherwise I don't see the point
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Another reason would be the price. The whole line of Omnia series has been falling. It gets price cuts after price cuts. Making these top brass Omnia's much cheaper than HD mini. If you compare the specs of Omnia 2 and Omnia Pro B7610 on paper, to HD mini, and then take a look at their prices, it's really lop-sided.