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torn between X1, OMNIA and Touch Pro

X1 is definitely going to be released in October in my country; but I'm still undecided about which one of them I will buy, here are what I like and dislike/less like with each one of them
X1
+ the best hardware design of the 3, I like the curved slide, I like those LEDs, I like the 3.5mm jack, I like the memory slot and finally I like that it is the most packed with hardware buttons than 'virtual buttons' found in the others.
+ the screen size/res
+ best video recording
+/- 384 final RAM which is still yet to be seen about the performance
+/- I like the panels, but IMO in their current condition they feel somewhat raw and lack of polish; the poker style stacked panels are useless and a waste of resources they should have been created something more functional for example like windows XP's filmstrip folder viewing style in which we could be able to switch between panels without having to press the panels button -which feel like unnecessary 'back' button-
- and with my previous point they should have add an accelerometer, so that other than finger swiping between panels (ala touch flo) perhaps we should be able to shake the X1 to switch between panels. (oh come on SE, even W910 had this, why not your flagship?)
- I'm not convinced as to whether SE has done a good job in reshaping the default WinMo UI or not, in fact based on previews, I didn't see anything has been done to it, they (SE) just babbling over and over and over about the panels
- I'm also worried about the pre-installed software, there are no info about anything else than Opera and handago client (which are quite useless in my country due to slow, somewhat unstable and rather expensive 3G cost) that will come with the phone, and it caught my eye that they integrated contacts in multimedia panels! Isn't it weird?
- rather small onboard storage
Touch Pro
+ Touch Flo 3D, IMO the only solution capable of rivaling Iphone's multitouch UI now in WinMo
+ somewhat more convincing keyboard
+ community support
+ 'hidden features' ----> which I'm doubting it will also exist in X1
- lack of 3.5mm jack
- glossy design
- 4:3 display
- slightly heavier than X1
- no stutter button for the camera
- ugly video recording res
- I''m not fond of the HTC's wheel button.
Omnia
+ sleek design
+ hapstick mode, anything full touch screen capable phone should have this feature, how come those phone makers designers didn't think about it
+ 5MP camera with face detection, smiley detection, geo tagging support out of the box
+ a quite good UI, including the reshaped default WinMo UI, it may not as appealing as Touch Flo 3D, but it is at least functioning well
+ 16GB storage + expansion, holy ****, this set the standard for the industry!
+/- largest display size between the 3, I've seen people bashing it res, but my experience with SE P900 was that the res are OKAY, in fact I can browse quite comfortably with my SE M600i which is smaller in size and display res compared to P900 *edit* I checked and realized that I was wrong about the display res in P900 compared to M600i, the M600i is more pixels packed, but still of course way behind X1, but my point is that those res aren't that bad like what many have criticized it.
- no physical keyboard
- no STYLUS slot lol, unless they have a screen with minimum 5 inch in diagonal never forget stylus!
- the display is said to be somewhat poor under sunlight
- only 128MB RAM
- somewhat just an average optical mouse/joystick pad with no d-pad capable like in X1
any suggestion? comments? I would like to hear things from those who have experience with TP and Omnia.
is there/will there be any device that could combine those 3 strength before next year?

You first must know, what you want to do with. Then the first decisionis with or without hardware keyboard.
I wouldn't do again without. In each software you have to make inputs like writing webadresses, logins or equal you loose a lot of the screen, if you don't have an hardware keyboard. For this reason, I would not do without.
If you don't need a keyboard compare the omnia with the new HTC touch hd. This has a bigger (3,8") and more powerfull (WVGA) screen.
With the omnia samsung went only the half way -the low resolution is not the future... But it is faster in some feelings, as WVGA. If you once had a VGA/WVGA, you will not do without any more. This is the opinion of ALL the people I know, who changed from QVGA to VGA or WVGA.
The touch pro may be not so bad, but for me the display is much too small. I am used to WVGA since a good year now and do not want to miss. The 160 Pixel more length are more than much usefull - I recognize it every day. Even 3" WVGA is a bit smaller than 2,8" VGA you feel the difference clearly.
For that reason the X1 is the only device on the market, I could buy. Never Toshiba again, because they have absolutely no custom service.

Or you could wait for the HTC HD Pro - the HD with a keyboard

probably will be too long to wait, and I haven't hear about HTC make that?

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Or you could wait for the HTC HD Pro - the HD with a keyboard
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Nothing like that announced so far...
But knowing HTC they'll make it just to screw with me

If they were to suddenly announce a HD Pro, my Touch Pro might not be in once piece.

I don't guess HTC will make a touch HD Pro -to big, to heavy for their customers. But if they do so, I would think of buying it, even after having bought the X1. You know:
The better is the enemy of the good

Omnia comes with an awesome camera... but the most disappointing thing is its stylus and no slot to put it in. But it definitely has no comparison with Touch Pro and Xperia - not just 'cos of no keyboard, but because it lacks the power that those two sets carry - way too low RAM in comparison to them.
Furthermore, Omnia is limited to 16 GB Maximum. Both Touch Pro and Xperia can be expanded upto a whooping 32 GB - and not to mention since it is Micro SD, you can swap cards, put it easily in a card-reader and use as needed and so on.
Samsung Omnia is an extremely impressive set, but it definitely fails to impress when you bring in Touch Pro and Xperia into the ring. So... don't even consider that.

Touch HD is going to be the iPhone killer - full touch screen with improved touch sensitivity than Touch Pro and probably carrying far more features than the Touch Pro. The screen of the Touch HD goes head on with Xperia, but it leaves Xperia behind when it comes to the Camera as it has a 5 MP camera on its back.
So the question is... Do you want a keyboard on your device? If the answer is not necessary, then you should do be thinking Touch HD VS Xperia otherwise stick with Touch Pro VS Xperia.

There is no such thing as an "iPhone Killer". I don't know how often I have read "XYZ phone, the next iPhone Killer?" - and the answer is always "no".
It's not because the iPhone is so much better then other phones, it's because it has a superb marketing and some stylish gadgets included while Windows Mobile devices don't.
It's the same for iPod. There are for sure other good MP3 players out there, but everyone knows iPod.
So please let's stay away from this in this Xperia thread, because the iPhone got already killed as far as I'm concerned.

Touch HD vs Xperia
The comparison has been moved here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430938
Read and then cast your vote.
If you want a comparison between Touch Pro and Xperia... then go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430937
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.

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There is no such thing as an "iPhone Killer". I don't know how often I have read "XYZ phone, the next iPhone Killer?" - and the answer is always "no".
It's not because the iPhone is so much better then other phones, it's because it has a superb marketing and some stylish gadgets included while Windows Mobile devices don't.
It's the same for iPod. There are for sure other good MP3 players out there, but everyone knows iPod.
So please let's stay away from this in this Xperia thread, because the iPhone got already killed as far as I'm concerned.
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Actually i didn't mean it like that. Sorry for making it sound so. By 'iPhone Killer' i tend to imply a phone that can be considered comparable to the iPhone... one that gives the user a choice.
I have an iPhone and have been using it since over an year now, and i can pretty much say that it definitely will stand its ground in the market - well maybe its sales will reduce and all, but it'll stay.

@msalmank
I totally agree with you: The iPhone has its place and will stay.
One thing I'd like to add to this comparison between Touch HD/Pro and Xperia:
The Touch Pro has a weak 3G reception. I still wonder why this problem is never mentioned in such comparisons. Unfortunately we do not have enough information concerning the Xperia and reception quality, but it should be something well considered.
What is a 3,8'' Touchscreen worth if you have no signal to display the required information on it?
As far as I'm concerned, one of the basic features regarding a smartphone is still "connectivity". Weak connectivity = crappy phone.

foo said:
@msalmank
I totally agree with you: The iPhone has its place and will stay.
One thing I'd like to add to this comparison between Touch HD/Pro and Xperia:
The Touch Pro has a weak 3G reception. I still wonder why this problem is never mentioned in such comparisons. Unfortunately we do not have enough information concerning the Xperia and reception quality, but it should be something well considered.
What is a 3,8'' Touchscreen worth if you have no signal to display the required information on it?
As far as I'm concerned, one of the basic features regarding a smartphone is still "connectivity". Weak connectivity = crappy phone.
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Touch HD will be better than Touch Pro. We already have larger screen, more pixels on the camera, greater sensitivity on the touch screen... and so we can only wait an see if 3G receipt will be any better or not. But thank you for this, i've added this in the comparison above as #7...
And yep... the iPhone will definitely stay. Even i'm considering not to sell of my iPhone and keep it as an iPod Touch or backup phone with tons of games loaded on it...

msalmank said:
Omnia comes with an awesome camera... but the most disappointing thing is its stylus and no slot to put it in. But it definitely has no comparison with Touch Pro and Xperia - not just 'cos of no keyboard, but because it lacks the power that those two sets carry - way too low RAM in comparison to them.
Furthermore, Omnia is limited to 16 GB Maximum. Both Touch Pro and Xperia can be expanded upto a whooping 32 GB - and not to mention since it is Micro SD, you can swap cards, put it easily in a card-reader and use as needed and so on.
Samsung Omnia is an extremely impressive set, but it definitely fails to impress when you bring in Touch Pro and Xperia into the ring. So... don't even consider that.
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please research again, OMNIA is equipped with onboard 16GB storage, and can still use micro SD....
and by the way, I don't compare the touch hd here, so which one of X1, TP and Omnia that would be the best buy?

nap007 said:
please research again, OMNIA is equipped with onboard 16GB storage, and can still use micro SD....
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Ahhh! yes. thank you for correcting me. Samsung Omnia can definitely be carry a Micro SD card, but at the max of 16 GB. So at max it can have 32 GB (considering you have the 16 GB set)
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and by the way, I don't compare the touch hd here, so which one of X1, TP and Omnia that would be the best buy?
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Read and then cast your vote: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430937 (Touch Pro Vs. Xperia)
Despite Omnia allowing up to 32 GB memory in total, it still falls behind Xperia and Touch Pro. I might however do a comparison - according to my understanding - between Omnia and Xperia later today or tomorrow.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid

so, I'm back to my original intention, which one to pick between these 3? My points stand still since what I guessed before about X1 appeared to be true -save the rotation button lol-

Bit late to start a petition, but I would have signed it!!!
nap007 said:
so, I'm back to my original intention, which one to pick between these 3? My points stand still since what I guessed before about X1 appeared to be true -save the rotation button lol-
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Don't know why the omnia is being dismissed - it has the most powerful processor and I'm not sure the Ram is an issue because of the internal memory has speeded up to the same level. What I would question about HTC and the Sony is the build quality as both of them are in fact out of Htc's factory

I'm currently using an Xperia after 3 months of Touch Pro usage; the things important for me are covered in this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3028394&postcount=25
..as for the Omnia: I haven't even tested it because it has no HW keyboard and it has a low res display -> altogether different type of phones in my opinion..

Changing from Touch Diamond to Touch HD - is it worth it?

Hi all,
did anyone of you the step from HTC Diamond to the new Touch HD?
Apart from the obvious, technical differences: What is your opinion? Is it better? Is the handling the same or do you feel a difference (e.g. performance?).
What is your experience with the new Buttons at the bottom?
Thanks for any input.
Rgds
Kingshill

I'd like to know the answer to this too. I have a diamond and am not sure wether its worth the £500. Is it reallly worth it? Some people think we're mad anyway shelling out hundreds for a telephone especialy when you've got one. Maybe we need councilling?

I wonder as well if I should change. What I really love on the Diamond is the size. And the HD is big in my opinion. Sure it's nice with the big screen etc.
If the HD would have TV-out, ok, but I don't see real big advantage on the HD. Sure performance is better, but I think I will wait for the next HTC Device with probably WM 6.5.

From my point of view, the HD offers to solve all of the problems the diamond had - i.e lack of expandable memory, poor battery and tiny screen.
I managed to sell my diamond on ebay for £320. A mate of mine in trade can get me the HD at the trade price of £460. So thats an HD for £140.
HD doesnt arrive until mid week - will let you all know then.

I have the diamond (actually a t-mobile mda compact iv) as a work phone, and have just bought the HD to replace my personal tytn.
I actually see them as two different phones, for two very different purposes. The HD is a great recreational phone, while still allowing me to be connected to my business services. It's great for browsing and using as a controller for my home automation system. Essentially because of the size of the screen (bear in mind the hardware of the two devices is almost identical).
The HD I would be nervous about taking for a night out, or with me to play sport, or when travelling - it's too awkward to handle and keep safe in demanding circumstances, and increases the risk of breakage. Whereas the diamond is an ideal size and easily protectable in harsher environments.
It is a shame that neither phone has a point to attach a lanyard. This is particularly unfortunate for the HD because sometimes handling it, particularly when removing the case, really does not feel safe.

SOLSchweiz said:
I wonder as well if I should change. What I really love on the Diamond is the size. And the HD is big in my opinion. Sure it's nice with the big screen etc.
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I have to agree. After the Diamond, the Touch HD feels H-U-G-E. I've had the HD for a week and I'm still surprised by the size very time I pick it up. My ideal device is same form factor as Diamond, but with larger full-front screen. Don't need the D-pad. Apart from the marvellous THD screen, I appreciate the longer battery life.

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I have to agree. After the Diamond, the Touch HD feels H-U-G-E. I've had the HD for a week and I'm still surprised by the size very time I pick it up. My ideal device is same form factor as Diamond, but with larger full-front screen. Don't need the D-pad. Apart from the marvellous THD screen, I appreciate the longer battery life.
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Ha ha, for me the feeling is the oppsite. After Athena's 5 inch screen, Touch HD feels tiny. I would be happier if it is 4.5 inch. It makes all the difference in internet surfing, spreadsheet, word processing, picture viewing, and video watching.

I went from Diamond to HD (still have the Diamond as a backup)
Observations/reasons;
LOVE the look/feel of the HD (I liked my iPhone in this regard as well - just hated far too many aspects of it...) and ultimately I want to get Android onto it....hopefully!!
Diamond always niggled me in that it had a tiny screen so was fiddly for touch/finger control (I avoid stylus operation as much as possible - it's fiddly and annoying). Also that there was no mSD card option/expandabilty. O/S was sluggish and slow compared to the HD (especially TouchFlo - which is noticeably faster on the HD)
Aesthetically - IMO the HD gets it hands down over the diamond (and any other phone out there, including the iPhone!)
The Diamond is handy if you like small phones and aren't very demanding on performance, but otherwise the HD is a better performing tool all round.
Battery life on the HD seems quite comparable with the Diamond - in actual fact possibly slightly better (the Diamond battery life was pretty grim)
Just my thoughts/opinions

The HD is better then the Diamond
Bigger Screen
Responsive Screen
Expandable memory
More Ram
Better Battery Life
All in all the TF3D is alot more quicker and responsive then the Diamond, and currently im using a stock rom, so imagine when there are cooked roms for this.
I would recommend you get this phone
I havent touched my Diamond since i got it
and now im selling my Diamond

i have the both, and i think HD is better than diamond on all point except dimension but it is not a real probleme because you can put hd in your pocket too.

I also have both and I must admit it´s a BIG change... The screen´s great, the battery life much improved and the touch screen a pleasure to use... but it feels much bigger in the hand than the Diamond. I have to agree with AFW the ideal would be Diamond size but without the D Pad but out of the two I´ll be sticking with the HD
Can´t wait to start cooking.... this baby will fly!

Thanks chaps - I will spent the money and get one asap.....

diamond vs Touch HD

anyone of you guys upgraded your diamond to a Touch HD, or plan to?
Can you give me some reasons what you like/dislike about the two phones?
Thanks

I have done this on friday. I really like my diamond but I must say allthough in relation to the diamond the HD is no quantum leap but there are many little thing that are improved on the HD:
The display is H U G E, brighter and seems to be more touch responsive.
Touchflo has been improved ( user definable tabs, stock tab, some minor improvements) and seems to be working a lot smoother, even smoother than the TouchFlo 3D from the "pimped" Diamond ROMS.
You´ve got quite a lot more RAM so no RAM shortage even at hungry apps like Igo8.
To be honest there are some things I miss on the HD in comparison to the diamond ie. the notification LED´s on the D-pad but all in all I am more than happy with my HD and don´t regret buying it, so if anyone would like to buy a Diamond, just PM me

Bought the all powerful HD, sold the almost as powerful Diamond to my brother, never looked back.
The Diamond was 90% for me, the HD 99%... Blackberry Bold was 95% and iPhone was 85%, was comparing with those as well at the time. That one missing % is my ONLY gripe with the HD: the lack of superior screen *quality*, more on that later.
My reasons to buy HD and sell Diamond:
- The screen is now actually big enough to use as a touchscreen, even with WinMo.... Superior browsing and video watching to boot. Perfect!!
- 3.5" jack suddenly allows me to connect my Shures to the thing, despite the HD's mediocre audio quality just like the iPhone and any other non-SE phone
- SD card slot was actually a MUST for me, I want a 32GB card in there the day it comes out. I carry a lot of files with me and my Diamond was always full. Heck, I installed some nav software and it was full, forget movies.
- No more DPad... Shoot me here but the more software tweaks there were for the Diamond, the less I needed the DPad, I only remained to use it when typing, but now they put arrows on the softkeyboard so byebye DPad.
- MUCH FASTER SOFTWARE I am not kidding here the HD is out of the package lightning fast, I don't know what they did right or what they did wrong with the Diamond but on the Diamond I needed a hundred rom flashes to get it to be speedy, and still then, WINMO WAS DAMNED SLOW while my 5 year old PDA did the same things 100 times faster, not so with the HD, which just responds.
- The led on the top of the device to indicate status is a joke when looking at it objectively, such a led must always be on the face of the phone to be of any use. Personally I really want it on the top since I hate having constantly flashing leds drawing my attention, both the Diamond and the Blackberry Pearl annoyed the hell out of me in that regard, a little notification sound or vibrate is more than enough for me to remember I had to check my phone, especially when receiving mail at work every 5 minutes.
However, I am a multimedia addict/professional and so I was sold mostly on the huge screen.
The screen *quality* of the Diamond however, is better. Better viewing angle, better contrast ratio, better color temperature. Don't get me wrong, the HD has a GREAT screen, but compared to the Diamond it tends to look yellowish, bland, a tad cheaper I guess... the things that blow the Diamond screen out of the water are the size, touch layer and backlighting. The touch layer is a mile more responsive than the one on the Diamond screen, and the backlighting is stronger, resulting in a brighter screen.
Don't get me wrong the difference is not huge, but you will notice. Also, the iPhone is about the only TS phone with a good viewing angle, thats why it always looks good in videos when compared with HTC devices, but when viewing the HTCs from front you will not be able to tell the difference in quality other than that the HD screen is so much sharper than other phones.

Old Diamond, New HD
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anyone of you guys upgraded your diamond to a Touch HD, or plan to?
Can you give me some reasons what you like/dislike about the two phones?
Thanks
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Hi Snoopy997,
I've done the jump.
This video is interesting to compare these 2 devices (even if it's a TP and not a Diamond) : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=fSaW7U5tDXU

I sold my Diamond for £340 on ebay, got the HD at cost price (due to a contact of mine) at £450. Total price £110.
I dont regret a damn thing, the Diamond had an awesome spec (Apart from its pitiful 4GB storage) but was too damn flawed. Battery was awful, truly awful to the point where I complained to HTC and they suggested I stop pushing email!!
Im glad I sold when I did because the value of the Diamond is falling day after day. The HD is an improvement in everyway. I was always jealous of my Wife's iphone screen - now her screen seem titchy compared to my glorious HD! Go for it, sell the Diamond now or else the value will plummet. I hear HTC want to release a 16GB diamond soon too.. that will depreciate the value of the original even more.

To be honest, the HD is just a Diamond with a big screen. ok, the specs are slightly better with HD, but you don't reaaly see that when you're using it. The screen is better on the diamond. Razor sharp with deep colour. The HD isn't quite so sharp and looks a little washed out in comparrison.
I think the diamond perfoms better with GPS. In google maps my location is quite off from where I really am. If i'm driving dorwn a road, the HD thinks i'm not on the road but walking through trees and houses. I can't use mine as a sat nav for that reason.
The HD is ok, but not for £500 when you already have a diamond.

Thank you very much for all you responses! Actually, Im moving from an elf touch to a Diamond or Touch HD.
I have reasons for wanting both but haven't really settled on which one yet.
I like the diamond, because its smaller and can be used 1 handed for fone and some other stuff. the dpad helps.
I like the Touch HD, because the huge better res screen, expandable SD card and over all better specs. I'm hesitant because lack of dpad. Not sure how navigating file explorer would be with the touch only input...I guess I could use the stylus too.
can the touch be used 1 handed for opera mini browsing and other simple task, like checking text messages, etc?

getting HD next week and keeping my Diamond :> love my Diamond and it is lightning fast with new dutty 3.3.
Huge screen made me buy it and sdhc slot. But bigger screen is always weaker and you have to be more carefull with it, so i also have Nokia 5100 for rough situations

They're totally different phones, simply because of the form factor. The Diamond is high res, but the screen is tiny - that extra inch means 85% more screen area.
As a result, web browsing and video simply isn't practical beyond a novelty. It's a very good phone if neither of those is particular important to you, and of course less screen area means less prone to damage.

diamond compared to HD....
In a few words.... JUST NO COMPARISON!
Battery life - (charging twice daily), Phone volume (extremely poor), Poor Signal Issues, extremely bad overheating, i actually bought a 2600mA battery bank to cure power issue, the diamond ate the HTC battery bank like jaws eating the back of the ORCA boat in the movie (bank supposed to hold 4 complete charges) and just wanted more and more! 3 Brand new handsets within a 3 month period, all suffering with the above issues, plus a few other issues killed the diamond.
RIP - HTC DIAMOND, i knew you for a short time, its not something i want to remember.... like a nightmare!

I want back to my Diamond and returned the HD. The HD was nice but I thought the screen was to big and the lack off LED notifications (apart from the little red one on the power button) for SMS etc... The ROM use to freeze a lot for upto 10 secs during TF3D navigation.
The HD for me was going to be my true multimedia device but the sound volume and quality did not reach my target.
I decided to get another contract worth £15 per month and a free 8GB touch ipod.

Me too... returned and sticking with the Diamond, expected more and it isn´t such a big improvement. Plus it feels much bigger and for everyday use it´s just a bit to big for me.

HTC HD vs Xperia X1

Guys !! I need your advice, I wanna buy a new WM....
I'm confused between these two!!! HD has a lovely big screen and Xperia has small screen but nice keyboard.
please ADVICE
Currently i got Samsung OMNIA
Thanks in advanced

Depends how much you text.

Very hard decicion - I have both and I can not say wich one is better.
The sony is much faster and the display is better ( but smaller ).
The camera is better, too.
The keyboard - sometimes I like it but sometimes I hate it. How can SE make asilver keyboard with white light ? It is unreadable most of the time.
The HD is looking very good, The Camera is bad - no photolight.
The display is not as bright as the x1 but the size is just perfect. In that point the best display on the market.
So I can not say

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Very hard decicion - I have both and I can not say wich one is better.
The sony is much faster and the display is better ( but smaller ).
The camera is better, too.
The keyboard - sometimes I like it but sometimes I hate it. How can SE make asilver keyboard with white light ? It is unreadable most of the time.
The HD is looking very good, The Camera is bad - no photolight.
The display is not as bright as the x1 but the size is just perfect. In that point the best display on the market.
So I can not say
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Saying that the Xperia X1 is much faster than the TouchHD is definetly exxagerated.

What about watching movies is it clear enough?
what do you mean by the display is better in Sony? does this mean the HD has a bad screen? i understood that both got 800X480

I saw the X1 for the first time for real at a Phone4U (dummy model).
It was smaller than I thought. I tried the keyboard out - was probably OK.

I had the X1 before and have to say that the keyboard is not that good as everybody expect.u have not that feedback from the keys while pressing.
Screen is a big plus for HD and also no slider so u have one part less which can be damaged

sorry - with meaning much faster - but I have both next to me and working a whole day the x1 feels much faster and smoother - I do not know why
I had an own threat asking why but nobody could help me
it is not a benchmarking feeling - it is a subjective view
sounds mad but the htc devices sometimes make pause for a short moment and the x1 just works like all winmo devices with pros and cons

HD better
Having owned an Xperia and owning an HD now I can say I much prefer the HD now. Yes the keyboard is nice but the HD has arrow keys that the keyboard (german which I had) of the X1 is missing. To reposition the cursor quickly on the X1 you have to use the much smaller touchscreen, only really feasible by stylus. All buttons etc are really small, stylus type. There is a Touchflo Rip running on there, but it's not fully functional yet afaik.
I finally decided to return the X1 when, after a reset that was forced by the panels app being crashed rendering the phone unusable, a tiny piece of casing plastik broke off.
The cam of the X1 is NOT better from my experience. video is much better on the HD as it has 0.8 inches more screen space.
DIVX is choppy in Coreplayer 1.2.3 from my experience.
Overall in terms of design, the HD is more designed for finger-use, while the X1 is more keyboard & stylus.
And I just used pocketputty, I'm as fast on the HD as I'm on the X1. If you want enjoyable video, prefer the HD for screen size...

I forget to say
THE TOUCH HD and the SE XPERIA 1 are definitly the bost absolutly BEST
Windows Mobile Devices I ever had
so my critic is at a high level
I love both devices - they are good
the only competitor they have is the iPhone
all Nokia and Samsung Devices are far beyond ( sorry I can not say anything about RIM Devices because i do not like the RIM System )

I ask myself why the Touch HD can not record Videos with VGA like the X1.
I know there was a threat about that on the Touch Pro.
Can anybody tell me if the X1 and HD have the same CPU and is there is a patch for the HD to record 640x480 Video over the Cam ?

In fact i need Text for email using ActiveSync and also i want to use the large screen for videos

Touch HD or Touch Diamond?

I bought a Touch Diamond a few months ago... it's running a Diamond Project rom and upgraded radio and has been an excellent device.
Anyway I just changed carriers from 3 Mobile to Telstra and they gave me a Touch HD.
So now I'm sitting here wondering if I should just keep the Touch Diamond and sell the HD or upgrade the rom on the HD, keep that and sell the Touch Diamond.
It shouldn't be a hard decision. Which one is the better phone?

I prefer the Touch HD: more ram, bigger screen with more resolution, memory card slot, better battery, 3.5 audio connection,...

HD all the way... No question about that

No contest (for me) - take the HD. But for you, you might prefer smaller memory, tiny screen and horrible diamond back that does not lay flat on a surface (but the keyboard is so small you can't type anyway).
Seriously, the HD is fantastic. Screen is amazing, battery life is very good and the size is just right (not too big, not too small).
The only thing I really don't like on the HD (same on the diamond) is the poor camera. It's fine for dead things but the moment you have any movement then goodbye quality !

Cheesy Dave said:
No contest (for me) - take the HD. But for you, you might prefer smaller memory, tiny screen and horrible diamond back that does not lay flat on a surface (but the keyboard is so small you can't type anyway).
Seriously, the HD is fantastic. Screen is amazing, battery life is very good and the size is just right (not too big, not too small).
The only thing I really don't like on the HD (same on the diamond) is the poor camera. It's fine for dead things but the moment you have any movement then goodbye quality !
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Agreed, though I'd buy a separate camera!!

Fallen Spartan said:
Agreed, though I'd buy a separate camera!!
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Done that - Panasonic Lumix LZ28 - amazing, if only they could build it into the size of the HD !

Cheesy Dave said:
Done that - Panasonic Lumix LZ28 - amazing, if only they could build it into the size of the HD !
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Nice one. This is something that has always annoyed me with WM & HTC. They are behind other manufacturers when it comes to camera quality. Why is it that HTC release phone after phone with no real improvement in camera? and where is the bloody flash!!!!

Fallen Spartan said:
Nice one. This is something that has always annoyed me with WM & HTC. They are behind other manufacturers when it comes to camera quality. Why is it that HTC release phone after phone with no real improvement in camera? and where is the bloody flash!!!!
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I agree. Technically it's possible. I had for a few days an Omnia which was rubbish in virtually all aspects except the rather good camera (the sound also was quite good).
HTC's weak spot does seem to be the camera/video capabilities.
I do use the HD for taking snaps of pages, posters, etc but I've given up trying to photo anything living.

thanks for that...I thought as much. I just wanted to hear from users to confirm. I flashed the HD with Dutty's 2.3 Extreme last night...then noticed he just released 2.4 Extreme. I've downloaded it...it's ready to go onto the HD. By the time I configure it, Dutty will probably have released another three versions though.