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Please? help to install wm 5.0. I have vIsual Studio 2005 and Windows.Mobile.5.0.Pocket.PC.SDK> but don't now what to do with it.
I don't know what device you have but, if you own the HTC Magician (or a variant of it) you cannot install WM2005 because the HTC Magician doesn't have the proper memory specs.
If you have a different device, i suggest you look in another device board.
xcilion said:
I don't know what device you have but, if you own the HTC Magician (or a variant of it) you cannot install WM2005 because the HTC Magician doesn't have the proper memory specs.
If you have a different device, i suggest you look in another device board.
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I have Qtek s110
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xcilion said:
I don't know what device you have but, if you own the HTC Magician (or a variant of it) you cannot install WM2005 because the HTC Magician doesn't have the proper memory specs.
If you have a different device, i suggest you look in another device board.
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I have Qtek s110
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There isn't a build of WM5 for the HTC Magician, which the QTek S110 is a variant of.
xcilion said:
I don't know what device you have but, if you own the HTC Magician (or a variant of it) you cannot install WM2005 because the HTC Magician doesn't have the proper memory specs.
If you have a different device, i suggest you look in another device board.
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The Magician does have the required memory specs as published by Microsoft. The problem is the drivers for the hardware found in the Magician such as the CPU, TFT screen, camera, etc.
And quoting Mike Calligaro from the MS Windows Mobile Team:
"A "typical" WM5 device will have 64M of RAM. 32M of RAM is very reasonable, especially if the device uses "NOR" ROM (more on that later). Because of the power drain, there are downsides to having "too much" RAM though. And, for that reason, 128M of RAM is unlikely, but may be done for certain "power user" devices.
A "typical" WM5 device will have 64M of ROM as well. Other than cost, there's no downside to having more. So, assuming you can afford it, it'll never hurt to pick the model with more ROM. "
and
"While Microsoft writes the bulk of the software on a WM device, a significant amount of it is written by the OEM or ODM who created the hardware. And the part they do is the most complicated part of the device: the drivers, parts of the kernel, and the radio stack. On major OS revisions, many of these parts need to be changed, sometimes dramatically. And, any time they need to be changed, extensive testing needs to be done.
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and
"I've had people accuse me of lying to them. "I know you can upgrade my device, because this web page has the upgrade on it." Remember, I've flat out told you that every WM2003SE device is capable of being upgraded. The upgrades don't happen because the cost of doing the upgrade divided by the number of people willing to do it is too high. When you see an unofficial WM5 upgrade on a website, what you're seeing is an image where that cost was not paid. It's a bare minimum effort, intended only for people willing to put up with a bad experience, and never supposed to be seen by actual customers. Think twice before letting it anywhere near your phone."
Thank you KTA. This is what I have been saying all along... From where I stand, I believe that a COOKED wm2005 Rom for the magician will eventually show up. How stable it will be is a different question, But By the shear number of Magicians out there, IT WILL SHOW UP ! Eventually....
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Thank you KTA. This is what I have been saying all along... From where I stand, I believe that a COOKED wm2005 Rom for the magician will eventually show up. How stable it will be is a different question, But By the shear number of Magicians out there, IT WILL SHOW UP ! Eventually....
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I have a different opinion on this one. What I'm saying is that the Magician satisifies the hardware minimum requirements, therefore IT IS POSSIBLE to run WM5 on it. But I think no one has the resources to build the extra code for FREE. The leaked ROMS for Himalaya, etc. where developed by Microsoft and/or its partners for testing purposes. The testing is now over, so if it hasn't emerged by now, I think it will never show up
At least we agree that it is possible. I also agree that every day that goes by where it is not made available, makes the chances less and less. But IMHO it will happen. We wait and see
can you mail me that rom my mail is "[email protected]"
after mail you can call me +9607721588 B'cause i do these things privately
nonlegal said:
can you mail me that rom my mail is "[email protected]"
after mail you can call me +9607721588 B'cause i do these things privately
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Which ROM are you talking about? Like written, it does not exist until now.
hi there
I know it's WM5 upgrade not available right now but I was just wondering that if it'll ever be possible that mini would be upgraded to WM5.Is it possible or mini doesn't meet the hardware requirements of WM5?your ideas?
Read the forums This was discussed all over the place!
However
You can always hope, especially as teh o2 atom specs ate similar.
I get mine hopefully next week when I am over in China.
Nope, never, jamais, nunca, nie, никогда, nooit, ποτέ, mai.
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You can always hope, especially as teh o2 atom specs ate similar.
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I hope that you are aware that Magician and o2 atom are not only different devices, BUT ALSO FROM DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS.
I will not be so naive to hope for WM5 on Magician, instead I hope for a nice brandnew WM5 device under the christmas tree. This hope is more likely to become true
Oh, another one!
:mrgreen: :lol: BWAAA HAA HAA HAAA HAAAA HAAAA :lol: :mrgreen:
Sorry, but I find people who ask this funny!
Especially because WM5 is absolutely uninteresting. It has been very slow on almost any new devices and the "nomore backups" issue isn't important to most of us people since we know how to make good backups - don't we?
I think WM5 is interessting! Not because of the Backup-Options.
Look here:
http://mobile-review.com/pda/articles/wm2005-1-en.shtml
The Outlook Contacts for example are _much_ better in WM5.
You see the Contact's full name _and_ the numbers and calling is so much easier!
Hate to sound like a newbie (which I am, just got my Mini/Magician today and first post to the forum), but according to some websites (http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_atom-1372.php), looks like the new Atom will use the same processor as the Mini? Only difference is 128MB ram and possibly wifi (although another thread is debating that issue).
Wouldn't that be reason enough to expect a way to install Atom's WM5 to the Mini?
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Hate to sound like a newbie (which I am, just got my Mini/Magician today and first post to the forum), but according to some websites (http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_atom-1372.php), looks like the new Atom will use the same processor as the Mini? Only difference is 128MB ram and possibly wifi (although another thread is debating that issue).
Wouldn't that be reason enough to expect a way to install Atom's WM5 to the Mini?
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Stupy, the problem is not just the processor type. The OS has to interface with all the hardware on your device such as Camera, BT chip, WiFi, Screen, etc. All of these require "drivers" that have to be written specifically for your hardware.
Unfortunately WM5 on the Magician is almost impossible. Unofficial upgrades for other devices occured simply because M$ and/or carriers were testing the new OS on these devices and the ROM got leaked. Now that the testing is over who do you think will take his time and effort to develop this interface for free??? And that's providing he/she has the necessary resources.
At this point the only way to upgrade to WM5 is to sell your device and get a new one :-( I will probably go for the 02 XDA Atom or HTC Prophet fairly soon.
(btw, I really really hope someone proves me wrong )
look at this link
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2005/12/pink_pda.html
the specs are almost identical to xda2mini except for the 128mb, does this mean there is still hope that wm5 would still be possible for mini?
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look at this link
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2005/12/pink_pda.html
the specs are almost identical to xda2mini except for the 128mb, does this mean there is still hope that wm5 would still be possible for mini?
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No. How may times does it have to be said. Read the post immediately before yours. :roll:
It's not going to happen.
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Stupy, the problem is not just the processor type. The OS has to interface with all the hardware on your device such as Camera, BT chip, WiFi, Screen, etc. All of these require "drivers" that have to be written specifically for your hardware.
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Thanks kta for sorting that out. I just got the Mini, so it'll be a little while before I get the Atom - they don't sell too many of these types of phones here in Canada. No matter, I'll be happy with what I've got. Cheers!
Is it me, or has the herald never gotten popular? And why not? I mean it's a smaller, faster and better Wizard. Comparing to the activity on the Wizard or even the big, chubby Hermes, this sub forum is close to dead! I dont get it.
I'm thinking that too, cause If we see the other forums, the others PDA has a lot of movement in their forums. I think that model is so great, better than other models like the models that you said.
It's just a matter of time. When I joined this forum I already had my HTC Prophet for some time and the community was similar in size and activity like the Herald's now. If you have a look at the Prophet forum now its pretty huge and active, too. It also depends on the prices those devices are sold so people will jump faster on them. The Prophet is avaible for just 10€ with a provider contract here in Germany, the Herald not even close. At least we have some very active users already on our side experimenting in putting cooked ROMs on our beloved Herald's. Sooner or later we we will be able to choose which custom ROM we want to put on our devices.
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It's just a matter of time. When I joined this forum I already had my HTC Prophet for some time and the community was similar in size and activity like the Herald's now. If you have a look at the Prophet forum now its pretty huge and active, too. It also depends on the prices those devices are sold so people will jump faster on them. The Prophet is avaible for just 10€ with a provider contract here in Germany, the Herald not even close. At least we have some very active users already on our side experimenting in putting cooked ROMs on our beloved Herald's. Sooner or later we we will be able to choose which custom ROM we want to put on our devices.
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Yep -i guess also. The wing in america is our chance for cooked roms. Because german romcooker are not very presented (look at ppc-welt.com)
Except you and me - lol
So what can the folks with the Wizard do that we can't as far as ROMs? I just quit using my Wizard (or should I say it quit), and bought my Herald. From everything I see it's the same phone internally. So doesn't it make sense to be able to use a cooked Wizard ROM in a Herald? Of course I don't have the balls to try this myself to see if it works, that's why I'm asking the question.
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So what can the folks with the Wizard do that we can't as far as ROMs? I just quit using my Wizard (or should I say it quit), and bought my Herald. From everything I see it's the same phone internally. So doesn't it make sense to be able to use a cooked Wizard ROM in a Herald? Of course I don't have the balls to try this myself to see if it works, that's why I'm asking the question.
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Wizard uses an "old" os file version = nbf
herald uses = nbh
and the nbh files have to be signed. and we cannot singd it.
That´s the difference. It is not such eays like oin wizard and on hermes they got a prefabricated bootloader with supercid.
for herald they amde it better like for vista etc.
MS is learning how to save their devices
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Wizard uses an "old" os file version = nbf
herald uses = nbh
and the nbh files have to be signed. and we cannot singd it.
That´s the difference. It is not such eays like oin wizard and on hermes they got a prefabricated bootloader with supercid.
for herald they amde it better like for vista etc.
MS is learning how to save their devices
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Exactly, the newer devices follow a higher protected filessystem.
The differences might look minor, but they are effective from being modified.
As papamopps said, its comparable with WinXP's to WinVista's protection.
But I'm certain we will have our custom ROM some time soon.
Other XDA communities like PDAMobiz or PDAViet and many others
are having their hands on HTC devices, so I wouldn't worry much,
at least we will get official WM6 ROMs and that's something.
It's just a matter of time... the Wing is the hottest selling PDAphone so far in the US.
And believe me, I bring up custom ROMs for the Herald/Atlas/Wing every chance I get!
-Richard
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It's just a matter of time... the Wing is the hottest selling PDAphone so far in the US.
And believe me, I bring up custom ROMs for the Herald/Atlas/Wing every chance I get!
-Richard
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Yippeeehhhh
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Yippeeehhhh
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I second that!
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I second that!
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It's just a matter of time... i agreee
the ship rom sucks
I also hink it's only a matter of time but for the time been I have had the herald (tmobile Wing) for 3 days and I am soooooo frudtrated with the lack of program memory (not storage memory) on this thing it's a nice phone but geeees the rom on it sucks I cant even have half the programs I had on my Wizard installed 15 programs and the 16th one was igo gps nav and it wont run unless I do a soft reset from lack of memory so i am thinking to go back to the Wizard untill I REAL custom rom is available without all the T-Mobile crap in it I tried to get some of the stuff out but not much luck most of the Tmobile stuff is par of the rom as far as I can tell. 3 days and I really miss the core 2.0n I have on the wizard WHAT A DIFFERENCE.
Not sure if i agree about best selling, Dash still outsells the wing in my area of the us Minnesota. The low memory issues is still really annoying me. official rom is out there somewhere?
With the latest rom from the danish retailer Dangaard, my P4350 is running quite well, haven't had memory problems since flashing it.
Well i guess the people are getting confused by the herald... i bought it because i knew that there is an dual core inside + windows mobile 6! If you don't know that the processor is a dual core, then 201Mhz just seem to be a bit low... i'm running them now on 260Mhz - kinda battery drain, but the speed is awesome! DVD watching *jammi*
The WM6 fixed a lot of bugs and added features, that are very handy + it has long time support, because of the "windows mobile update" option.
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I also hink it's only a matter of time but for the time been I have had the herald (tmobile Wing) for 3 days and I am soooooo frudtrated with the lack of program memory (not storage memory) on this thing it's a nice phone but geeees the rom on it sucks I cant even have half the programs I had on my Wizard installed 15 programs and the 16th one was igo gps nav and it wont run unless I do a soft reset from lack of memory so i am thinking to go back to the Wizard untill I REAL custom rom is available without all the T-Mobile crap in it I tried to get some of the stuff out but not much luck most of the Tmobile stuff is par of the rom as far as I can tell. 3 days and I really miss the core 2.0n I have on the wizard WHAT A DIFFERENCE.
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lol? 192 ROM + 64 RAM ain't enough?
Ok, i got a 2GB Mini SD for 20€ in it, but even though... 192 MB should be enough for adding programs...
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Well i guess the people are getting confused by the herald... i bought it because i knew that there is an dual core inside + windows mobile 6! If you don't know that the processor is a dual core, then 201Mhz just seem to be a bit low... i'm running them now on 260Mhz - kinda battery drain, but the speed is awesome! DVD watching *jammi*
The WM6 fixed a lot of bugs and added features, that are very handy + it has long time support, because of the "windows mobile update" option.
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Dual Core? lol- where did you get this wisdom?
TI-OMAP 850 Specifications:
Power + Expandability
Processor: Texas Instruments OMAP 850 Dual Core 200 MHz CPU
Memory: 128MB ROM, 64 RAM;
Expansion: One SDIO/SD/MMC Slot, Bluetooth 2,0
Operating System: Windows Mobile 5 Pocket PC Phone Edition
Features
Camera: 2.0 MP Stills, Macro Mode, low-resolution video.
Wireless: 'Wi-fi' 802.11b/g, Bluetooth 2.0 (No EDR, Class 2), Infra-red
Phone: GSM/GPRS Quad-Band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Phone Data: EDGE EGPRS Class B
Battery: 1200mAh Li-Ion
Physical Aspects
Weight: about 150g, 5.29 oz
Dimensions: 4.25" x 2.28" x 0.72", (108 x 58 x 18 mm)
Audio Jack: 2.5mm Phone Audio Jack
Display: 2.8" (7,1cm) 240x320 16-Bit TFT/TFD Transflective
Connector: Mini-USB
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(from the prophet ones)
german source:
http://www.computerbase.de/news/consumer_electronics/kommunikation/2007/april/o2_xda_htc_herald_mai/
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I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the OMAP850 is not a dual core processor. The Texas Instruments page doesn't state it anywhere. Link to TI OMAP850 site
Yeah - after 30minutes of researching i found that out too... but why does the xda-developers wiki state a dual core in the prohpet running on TI 850?
I was wondering if there was any way to upgrade the RAM in my Mogul. I have advanced soldering skills and am not new to disassembling larger complex devices such as the Mogul and would feel comfortable doing so if the benefits outweighed the risks.
The HTC Kaiser and HTC Touch Dual both have 128Mbs of RAM. Is it possible that the RAM card has the same circuit layout and is the same physical size as the 64Mb card that is installed in the Mogul? If it is then it should be possible to swap these out and I would like to try it.
Does anyone here know the exact specifications of these 2 on-board RAM cards?
Wow will be nice to know and where to get the ram chip if possible to swap new on.
i can possibly find the mogul specs for you
is this a service you want to offer others??
Dependent upon price and possibility, I would gladly pay for an upgrade to 128mb...
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Dependent upon price and possibility, I would gladly pay for an upgrade to 128mb...
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Ditto.
If it's not possible to upgrade the RAM now, make a way for it to be possible. This is the World, we as a human race can solve a problem as simple and small as this.
Pocketpctechs.com offers this service for other devices, but not the Mogul. Considering how much money they'd make if it was possible, something tells me it's not gonna happen.
That said, I would definitely pay good money to add more RAM.
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Pocketpctechs.com offers this service for other devices, but not the Mogul. Considering how much money they'd make if it was possible, something tells me it's not gonna happen.
That said, I would definitely pay good money to add more RAM.
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So, I want PocketPCTechs to outline to us in detail why it can't be done. IF we have the technicals on why it's not possible, then this question won't be coming up time and time again.
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So, I want PocketPCTechs to outline to us in detail why it can't be done. IF we have the technicals on why it's not possible, then this question won't be coming up time and time again.
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Yeah, I'd love to hear the details too. It can't be any harder than soldering in a new damn chip. I've emailed them, but am not holding my breath for a reply.
Hell, *HTC* should offer the service as pennance for releasing this POS in the first place.
there's always "a way"... the only question is who will figure it out first. Even if it perhaps would be to use the main storage as a virtual drive similar to a hard disk on a computer, that would be awesome.
I'd absolutely pay good $ to get 128mb of ram on my xv6800.
or a 2nd processor!!
If I found it was possible then there is a possibility that I might offer it as an upgrade as long as I can get my own done (and done right) before chancing anyone else's device. I really like the titan but the lack of RAM is killing me...
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I was wondering if there was any way to upgrade the RAM in my Mogul. I have advanced soldering skills and am not new to disassembling larger complex devices such as the Mogul and would feel comfortable doing so if the benefits outweighed the risks.
The HTC Kaiser and HTC Touch Dual both have 128Mbs of RAM. Is it possible that the RAM card has the same circuit layout and is the same physical size as the 64Mb card that is installed in the Mogul? If it is then it should be possible to swap these out and I would like to try it.
Does anyone here know the exact specifications of these 2 on-board RAM cards?
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If I had to guess,and its just a guess,I would guess the ram is like the ram in my samsung a920. A typical thing to see in these devices is a BGA chip. The real trick is knowing if the phone will recognize a larger one if it was soldered in.
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The real trick is knowing if the phone will recognize a larger one if it was soldered in.
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Oh crap I hadn't thought of that.
I have sent a message to PocketPCTechs about upgrading the RAM on our Moguls and whether or not it is physically possible seeing as how the Touch Dual, Vogue, and also the TyTN II both have 128Mb of RAM.
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I have sent a message to Pocket PCTechs about upgrading the RAM on our Moguls and whether or not it is physically possible seeing as how the Touch Dual, Vogue, and also the TyTN II both have 128Mb of RAM.
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No I'm just going to throw this out there but the last physical replacement ram upgrade i have ever seen is the wallaby, which i have.
But from my experience its always been an upgrade or a driver that cut the full potential of the ram loose. I believe with out question that the titan which i posses has the capability to be 128 hence the other phones similar to it.
How ever being that the battery status has caused me many sleepless nights on the mogul due to its make up. So my hands on theory for this particular phone is only speculation.
i have used ppc techs tsk driver on numerous phones including the sph-i700 for samsung and it was a night and day difference
I will say this that from all the the boards i have seen and all the new products there is a logical reason why they keep these phones toned down i still hit almost every one of my phones with the moloski tweak just start my mods. I would have to say that the upgeade lies with in simply because htc never maxes out any of the phones
Would/is it be possible to somehow link memory from your SD card to your RAM? Or is ROM and RAM defined under specific hardware profiles? If a hack or mod could be made to utilize 64mb of ram for program usage using your SD card...
all would be well. Just a thought. Input?
Boy did I set the ball in motion... I really hope this is possible. If its a driver issue then that would be awesome but even a Solder-in ram card would be better than nothing.
swapfile
xweaponx said:
Would/is it be possible to somehow link memory from your SD card to your RAM? Or is ROM and RAM defined under specific hardware profiles? If a hack or mod could be made to utilize 64mb of ram for program usage using your SD card...
all would be well. Just a thought. Input?
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i would def consider the possibility of having a swapfile which is what you are talking about. The problem would lie in the latency with the sd card or rom i would think a 66x card or faster would work somewhat but i am not sure if wm6 already does with rom. That could be why it slows to a hault when memory is low but the idea is not new and should be something that could be done on software level to create virtual ram like i said though physical ram would be best. For an idea on the performance of sd card google readyboost as that is what microsoft calls it for vista.
p.s. You are def on to something because if they already do utilize virtual mem then it could be optimized or moved on to a high speed sd card which i think would have better write speeds then rom.
Anymore info on this? This would be great!!
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Anymore info on this? This would be great!!
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I was told by PPCTechs that it is not possible. That is all they said.
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I was told by PPCTechs that it is not possible. That is all they said.
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Same here, but all that really means is that they're not willing to do it. I bet some enterprising soul that's willing to risk his 6800 could solder in the same RAM chip the Touch uses and it would work.
I'm willing to donate $20 or so to any serious R&D endeavor.
I am thinking of buying himalaya, because of it huge mem and processor and it is quite cheap now. Im currently using Wizard and hermes but i think this one is better with window mobile 6.
I want to know guys is there anything to see before buying like bootloader version or anything kinda like that. Coz the first i think i want to do to it is upgrade to windows 6.
And is there any problem in this phone like after battery completely drains, information of phone will wipe out like contacts etc.
Thanks waiting for kind reply from himalaya users.
before you buy then you have to consider that
even if it have 128MB ram
then it dont have much storage at all 32MB
so most people use the tool to make a ramdisk out of
some of those 128MB