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Upgrade ram

are that possible to make bigger ram on wizard??

No there is not any way. The Ram is a chip on the motherboard at every PPC.
You have to stick with the 64mb .-

There are many PPCs that can have RAM upgrades however the Wizard is not one of them.
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-MyHTC- said:
There are many PPCs that can have RAM upgrades however the Wizard is not one of them.
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Well... to be honest it is the first time that I see there is a way to upgrate some phones ram .
I hope I didn't mislead someone .-

Hardware Upgrade for G1?

So I know we all like buying new phones and throwing out the old, but what if we wanted to upgrade the RAM or storage? Has anybody done something like this? Is there a way to take the G1 apart and add more RAM for super fast processing?
Can anybody point me in the right direction to do this? Thanks!

atolar said:
So I know we all like buying new phones and throwing out the old, but what if we wanted to upgrade the RAM or storage? Has anybody done something like this? Is there a way to take the G1 apart and add more RAM for super fast processing?
Can anybody point me in the right direction to do this? Thanks!
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OK, im pullin out the knife..no no but seriously you better be saving up your pocket change for new sd cards that go up to 32 GB cause thats all the uping you can really do.

I know about the sd cards, but I mean soldering and the like.

find me a ram chip ill give it a try

atolar said:
I know about the sd cards, but I mean soldering and the like.
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I know i just added some sarcasm in there for ya mate, but no there wont be any flying,soldiers,fireing,making of any sorts on this relic its at its limits all you can do is OC and slap a custom os onto it.Also get a phone skin for it from skkinit if you want it to look unique..

Actually that's a good question. I have been checking PPCTechs.com on and off to see if they have anything like RAM or ROM upgrades for our G1s. No luck so far, so probably not gonna happen, although they do it with quite a few WM devices.
Does anyone know if it possible to overclock the CPU? Right now we aren't actually overclocking it, despite what people call it, we are only running it at it's rated speed and not underclocking it.

There was a post somewhere about overclocking to 700 something through the kernel

if someone can find me a datasheet for the ram thats in the phone, i have the equipement to replace them, i'm sure i can source another larger one but i'm not sure if the chipset will support it.

I have the G1 Tech Manual. Is that what you mean? http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=72888a5fe1278ed408f8df73f2072ed6666d6d14c3b8b109d6e38d13f15c3e80

The last 3 smart phones I have owned there has been discussion of adding more ram... and it never pans out. My 2 cents is you will be better waiting and picking up a next gen phone. The lifespan of a phone just isn't what it used to be with how advanced they are becoming.

It's really not worth the effort to upgrade the ram. Even if it was as simple as just soldering a new chip in (which it very rarely is - I don't know the specifics of the g1), this device is held back by the cpu as much as the ram and you certainly can't drop in an upgrade for that.
It might be possible to overclock the cpu, but since the g1 features no cooling system whatsoever, and no space to add one, I think you'd put it on the fast track to the scrapheap.

BinaryDroid said:
if someone can find me a datasheet for the ram thats in the phone, i have the equipement to replace them, i'm sure i can source another larger one but i'm not sure if the chipset will support it.
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My best guess is that whatever chip is in the big-mem version of the MAGIC will work with DREAM. Possibly the chip that is in the HERO.
Of course note that it will be necessary to program this chip with something at some point, otherwise the act of installing a blank chip will be an obvious brick.

Have you thought upgrading your dream?

Have you ever thought to g1 upgrade, the cpu replaced 1ghz, put all the rom and ram replaced 512mb. Rom the time that the production of not so many limitations, and is not it?
If anyone knows how to upgrade, we share ah. Let g1 youth forever in.
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how is that even possible?

yoshitoshi said:
how is that even possible?
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i'm sure it's possible.
mind you, the equipment required to do such an upgrade would mean you could probably build your own phone from scratch anyway.

yeaa that would be awesome, snapdragon dream lol. a nexus wif a keyboard lolzz

DIY a Gphone?

looktall said:
i'm sure it's possible.
mind you, the equipment required to do such an upgrade would mean you could probably build your own phone from scratch anyway.
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I seriously think its a long shot. I dont think a huge group of engineers at HTC with the detailed hardware knowledge of the board, the pinmuxes, clocks etc can do it in a months time. If you want to try it, sure, go ahead.

Very possible. I was reading a thread the other day about restoring a bricked phone from the hardware pov. Still not possible, but the motherboard is mapped. However, you can't just go buy phone RAM or a new processor. Also say HTC made a phone just like the g1 except with 3 gigs of RAM, I doubt that RAM would be compatible with the g1. I hope that's what this thread is about. 3:31 A.M. ftw?

as an electrical engineering student
yes its possible
no its not feasible to do it efficiently enough to finish within ..say... 5 years by yourself

If you want to make a living of repairing phones and other electronics, it's a good place to start , even if it's very hard thing to do... If you think you will save money , you wont. The MB of the dream is pretty small and it will be hard to work on but not impossible.

looktall said:
i'm sure it's possible.
mind you, the equipment required to do such an upgrade would mean you could probably build your own phone from scratch anyway.
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Wouldnt that mean the ROMS need to change also? That would also be the hardest part, right? Not an engineering student but I am sure it is not as simple as it sounds.
I am sure there would be willing donors for such an attempt to stock RAM chips and processors and do all the work. Even if it was a bundled package with a price tag on it, I am sure people would willingly pay for it. However, the more realistic option, I think, is to be contented with overclocking the processor, if that is made practically possible. Here's hoping for the best.

erlern said:
Wouldnt that mean the ROMS need to change also? That would also be the hardest part, right? Not an engineering student but I am sure it is not as simple as it sounds.
I am sure there would be willing donors for such an attempt to stock RAM chips and processors and do all the work. Even if it was a bundled package with a price tag on it, I am sure people would willingly pay for it. However, the more realistic option, I think, is to be contented with overclocking the processor, if that is made practically possible. Here's hoping for the best.
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I say: You can better spent your time working lets say... 80 hours to buy a new device then spent 12.000 hours to upgrade a CPU, make new drivers to handle the CPU (the same counts for upgrading RAM).
But if you haven't got a job nor a life... feel free to try. It's not like a PC with swappable parts... It's all baked on 2 or 3 chips with techniques you can't find in your own living room (it's simply too small to soldering it yourself).
But that's just my opinion... feel free to try.

Sure, been conidered. Not sure the dream is ideal for it, but i'd love it if a company were to start designing with it in mind. Maybe something more meant as a dev prototype like the zii trinity but yeah. Hell, I remember first thing I did was start looking into hardwiring a 3.5 jack because I keep misplacing my adapters.

when i had an mda varia they discovered it was possible to change the ram chip for a larger one from another device, there was a company that woiuld do it for you, thoiugh it was expensive and to do it yourself required specilised soldering equipment to remove the old chip and fit the new one.
It could be possible usually its just easier and more cost efficient though to just get a new device.

i really wouldnt say this belongs in the development section - coz put bluntly - its just fantasy
i too am an electronic engineering student - and i have taken apart my spare G1
and from looking at it - it could be done in theory, but you would have one hell of a time desoldering, resoldering and reprogramming your phone
the equipment costs £1000s to do the job correctly and there is no guarantee that it would work
like - putting a core2duo into a pentium 2 board - not gonna work
pinouts, pinnumbers, pinspacing, chip size
too many things standing in the way

1GB hidden ROM memory??

Someone knows if you have got 1Gb ROM hidden the hd2? or are you working for finding the "hidden ROM"?(if the phone has got it). Sorry for my english
Greetings yo all

adrianfly said:
Someone knows if you have got 1Gb ROM hidden the hd2? or are you working for finding the "hidden ROM"?(if the phone has got it). Sorry for my english
Greetings yo all
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That's almost like asking: "anyone found god somewhere?"

appelflap said:
That's almost like asking: "anyone found god somewhere?"
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hehehe made my day. But to answer the original poster, no.

Well sayin that, i think its a fair question from the OP. i dont know why he is being shot down so quickly.
We already all know now that our EU LEO's come with the 576 ram like the US LEO's, so why is it so unrealistic to assume that they might ship with the same rom aswell? (just software locked away)
Has anyone actually confirmed that the chip on the main logic board is 100% deffinatley a 512mb rom yet? (i believe some dedicated forum members are looking into it at this moment)
Until this is confirmed aswell, im still open to the idea that HTC just shipped that same phone to us in the EU that the US are getting aswell.
Its not Impossible guys.

aikon359 said:
Well sayin that, i think its a fair question from the OP. i dont know why he is being shot down so quickly.
We already all know now that our EU LEO's come with the 576 ram like the US LEO's, so why is it so unrealistic to assume that they might ship with the same rom aswell? (just software locked away)
Has anyone actually confirmed that the chip on the main logic board is 100% deffinatley a 512mb rom yet? (i believe some dedicated forum members are looking into it at this moment)
Until this is confirmed aswell, im still open to the idea that HTC just shipped that same phone to us in the EU that the US are getting aswell.
Its not Impossible guys.
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While I am loath to think that HTC would do something like this, Intel does it all the time...
...so it's not unheard of...

Spike15 said:
While I am loath to think that HTC would do something like this, Intel does it all the time...
...so it's not unheard of...
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There is nothing loathsome about it, HTC published the specs and we paid the money, it isn't like they delivered an inferior product to what they claimed.
In fact... they gave us more for the price we paid and if it is actually 1GB of ROM... well oh boy, triple booting WM6.6, Android and Maemo anyone?

i just still cant figure out HTC's reasoning for crippling the eu phone at release though. its strange. Surely it took them more time and resources to try and hide that extra 128mb ram instead of just releasing it with its full compliment.
Maybe t-mobile usa made an agreement with HTC just prior to the original relase in the eu so they could have what appears to be a superior unit.
At that point, instead of changing the manufacturing process and parts (thus costing them more money to reorder different nand chips) they just software crippled the EU version so the usa Model looked better on release.
The mind boggles lol!

@Beastage - I like the way you think ;-) im just holding out patiently for the awesome devs here to crack the hard ole task of booting Anroid onto the HD2 (fingers crossed when the HTC Bravo **im pretty sure it was the bravo at least lol** is released, someone will rip the rom from that and possibly port it over, seein as the bravo appears to basically be a reworked HD2 eh. 0_0 )

Beastage said:
There is nothing loathsome about it, HTC published the specs and we paid the money, it isn't like they delivered an inferior product to what they claimed.
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I guess you're an uneducated bumpkin who thinks "loath" and "loathe" have the same meaning.
I said: "[...] I am loath to think that HTC would [...]".
What this merely meant was that I was reluctant to think that HTC would put hardware in a device, and then lock the use of said hardware out in software, due to the fact I don't like this practice.
I have no problems with the specs I paid for, nor do I have a problem with the specs changing for the T-Mobile HD2, the only problem I have is with them advertising one set of specs, delivering a device with hardware in excess of the specs, and then making the software make the hardware appear to be in-line with the advertised specs.

aikon359 said:
i just still cant figure out HTC's reasoning for crippling the eu phone at release though. its strange. Surely it took them more time and resources to try and hide that extra 128mb ram instead of just releasing it with its full compliment.
Maybe t-mobile usa made an agreement with HTC just prior to the original relase in the eu so they could have what appears to be a superior unit.
At that point, instead of changing the manufacturing process and parts (thus costing them more money to reorder different nand chips) they just software crippled the EU version so the usa Model looked better on release.
The mind boggles lol!
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"Crippling" implies it was intentionally... they may just have run out of development time for the product and needed to release it without the additional memory address registers for the full RAM to be utilised. Between the Euro launch and USA launch they are releasing new firmware and radio's and because of this we are able to access the additional RAM (2.02 ROM and 2.06 Radio)
Alternatively maybe they were having confliction somewhere when the extra RAM was addressed so they chose to limit it to a stable amount to make sure the HD2 release went on time in Europe/Asia... and therefore I suppose that could be classed as crippling the device but also making it stable.

aikon359 said:
Well sayin that, i think its a fair question from the OP. i dont know why he is being shot down so quickly.
We already all know now that our EU LEO's come with the 576 ram like the US LEO's, so why is it so unrealistic to assume that they might ship with the same rom aswell? (just software locked away)
Has anyone actually confirmed that the chip on the main logic board is 100% deffinatley a 512mb rom yet? (i believe some dedicated forum members are looking into it at this moment)
Until this is confirmed aswell, im still open to the idea that HTC just shipped that same phone to us in the EU that the US are getting aswell.
Its not Impossible guys.
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I didn't intend to shot the OP down. I think it's a rather metaphysical question at the moment. But at this point I want to declare myself agnostic. I don't see the point of not asking questions about the hidden ghost in our machines, but I don't embrase them either.
I'm happy with my device as it is... but, on the other hand, the more the better of cause
It's a rather philosophical question about the attitude towards technology. I like Heideggers standpoint on this: we should say yes and no to it (lol, speaking of off-topic reactions...)

im deffinatley with you on that one appleflap ;-)
the more i can squeeze out of this device the better ;-)
fingers crossed with whats going on, it seems to be a good year for the hd2!
1: 576 ram instead of 448
2: possible 1gb rom instead of 512
3: full n spec wireless
4: possible fm transmitter
5: android at some point
6: WM 7
God it feels like christmas came early lol

if i were htc executive i will talk to ms whether 512mb ram enough for wm7 or not. then ms will say to me wm7 needs 1gb ram . so htc please make device to support ms coz i want many peop;e to use my products. hows this? u think htc executive is stupid?

koong32 said:
if i were htc executive i will talk to ms whether 512mb ram enough for wm7 or not. then ms will say to me wm7 needs 1gb ram . so htc please make device to support ms coz i want many peop;e to use my products. hows this? u think htc executive is stupid?
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No, I don't think "htc executive" is stupid, but that's not how business works. They'd be more likely to sell us something now that will not run WM7, so that we have to buy something else at the end of the year that will support it. Don't forget, by the time WM7 comes out the HD2 will have been out for about a year. If there is 1GB of ROM there (and I really, really don't think there is, but would love to be wrong), I seriously doubt it's got anything to do with WM7.

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No, I don't think "htc executive" is stupid, but that's not how business works. They'd be more likely to sell us something now that will not run WM7, so that we have to buy something else at the end of the year that will support it. Don't forget, by the time WM7 comes out the HD2 will have been out for about a year. If there is 1GB of ROM there (and I really, really don't think there is, but would love to be wrong), I seriously doubt it's got anything to do with WM7.
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But then again, htc could not be stupid in another way. Maybe their strategy is as follows: bring a powerful device on the market (most powerful at the current moment) and reveal more horsepower when the competitors are coming with their answers. I think that is marketing strategy that could really work. Especially when you've created a broad user-base for a particular device.

aikon359 said:
i just still cant figure out HTC's reasoning for crippling the eu phone at release though. its strange.
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That might be far-fetched, but *could* have to do with taxing. In certain countries in Europe, like mine, digital devices are taxed on the amount of memory they hold. The tax amount is pretty high as well, and since this was introduced the majority of MP3 players and phones have gone the "small onboard memory with memory card slot" way, sometimes even bundling them with a memory card to get around the tax...
So this could be related, keeping the amount of memory under X allowing to either avoid the tax in the said countries, or at least stay below a certain tax level...
When they introduced it, it more or less killed the home set-top DVD recorders with HDD, as for example the price for a 250GB model that would cost $300 (before tax) was taxed an insane extra $100...

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But then again, htc could not be stupid in another way. Maybe their strategy is as follows: bring a powerful device on the market (most powerful at the current moment) and reveal more horsepower when the competitors are coming with their answers. I think that is marketing strategy that could really work. Especially when you've created a broad user-base for a particular device.
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These are all relevant arguments, and they all have up-sides and down-sides. For example, how unhappy would you be if after having a HD2 for say 8 months, HTC turn round and say "Here... run this. It will double your ROM size." Although you'd be grateful, I bet you'd be annoyed too, remembering all those times you were nearly out of storage space, insisting on not installing marketplace apps and having to manually move caches to your storage card!
Let's simply agree that business decisions very rarely make sense to the people they actually affect.

u all know, that there will be 2 versions of the WM7.. one business and one multimedia.. i think, when the WM7 comes out, then we get just the business bcs. it will not need so many space, and the 1GB version gets the multimedia.. we will see..
PS: when u look on the PSP u see.. when it came out, the CPU was?? and now?

some of you keep saying that the EU models shipped with the hidden ram that the usa version has, does this mean that the asian versions do not have the extra ram hidden away?
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DTDK said:
some of you keep saying that the EU models shipped with the hidden ram that the usa version has, does this mean that the asian versions do not have the extra ram hidden away?
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it has the hidden ram are in hd2 worldwide version and it was first discovered in an asian hd2 just flash the proper radio and hav fun

[Q] HTC HD2 vs HTC HD7?

So title says it all. I've already bought an HTC HD2 from Ebay and I have a 7 day money back guarantee. Its still being shipping so the 7 day money back hasn't started. Though I would like to hear your opinions on what I should do. Keep the HD2? Return it and buy an HD7? If so, why?
Thanks!

This is really a question of opinion. The HD2, will prolly eventually run WP7, whereas the HD7 will more than likely never run anything except WP7, Android included. Personally I think the HD2 is the better choice, for the following reasons:
It can run WinMo, Android and most likely WP7
MUCH more software available
Better hardware build quality
More open software
I have played with an HD7, and I gotta say that the hardware is kinda..."squishy"...I dunno but the hardware just doesn't seem as rock solid as the HD2...but, like I said in the beginning, it's all up to you.

ashasaur said:
This is really a question of opinion. The HD2, will prolly eventually run WP7, whereas the HD7 will more than likely never run anything except WP7, Android included. Personally I think the HD2 is the better choice, for the following reasons:
It can run WinMo, Android and most likely WP7
MUCH more software available
Better hardware build quality
More open software
I have played with an HD7, and I gotta say that the hardware is kinda..."squishy"...I dunno but the hardware just doesn't seem as rock solid as the HD2...but, like I said in the beginning, it's all up to you.
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Thanks alot for your input. I don't really know much about either phone, your reply was exactly what I was looking for. However, I still would like the opinion of a few more members. I have about a week still to decide. All opinions are welcome!

I was having the same debate with myself recently and bought the HD2 from Ebay (still hasn't arrived either...).
I agree with the sentiment that the HD2 overall has better build quality and many more options (roms, android, etc).
Hope you get your phone soon

One thing that really put me off was the lack of MicroSD expansion slot and the abysmal 16GB that's included. If you get the HD7 you'll be stuck with the internal 16GB forever.... don't know why they don't offer 32 or 64GB flavors seeing how it is user non replaceable.
Other than that fact it's a real toss up. I'm not sure how much modding the 7 OS will allow because that's one of the biggest things for me but i'm sure the fine folks here at XDA will figure something out . Like ashasaur has already said the HD2 offers a lot of modding and we'll just have to wait and see how much mods can be applied to the HD7.
If you're the no non-sense type of person who just wants to operate out of the box you'll probably want the HD7..... but then again you're registered on XDA....

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One thing that really put me off was the lack of MicroSD expansion slot and the abysmal 16GB that's included. If you get the HD7 you'll be stuck with the internal 16GB forever.... don't know why they don't offer 32 or 64GB flavors seeing how it is user non replaceable.
Other than that fact it's a real toss up. I'm not sure how much modding the 7 OS will allow because that's one of the biggest things for me but i'm sure the fine folks here at XDA will figure something out . Like ashasaur has already said the HD2 offers a lot of modding and we'll just have to wait and see how much mods can be applied to the HD7.
If you're the no non-sense type of person who just wants to operate out of the box you'll probably want the HD7..... but then again you're registered on XDA....
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Haha thanks for your input!

Your post is actually incorrect...the HD7, and pretty much all WP7 devices DO have MicroSD slots, the only thing is if you remove the SD card, and reinsert it or another one, you have todo a hard reset on the device to format the new card.

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Your post is actually incorrect...the HD7, and pretty much all WP7 devices DO have MicroSD slots, the only thing is if you remove the SD card, and reinsert it or another one, you have todo a hard reset on the device to format the new card.
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So it's possible to run Android on it?

Proboby not. The way that WP7 handles programs is completely different then WinMo, so Android...at least in it's current form cannot run on WP7...all I was saying is that you can actually put a new SD card in your device.

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Proboby not. The way that WP7 handles programs is completely different then WinMo, so Android...at least in it's current form cannot run on WP7...all I was saying is that you can actually put a new SD card in your device.
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you sure can if you want to void the warranty by dissassembling the device to gain access to the MicroSDHC slot....you definately cannot just pop in a new card like you can on the HD2

See...I don't understand what people are talking about with that...it's just a piece of plastic, and with the demo unit I played with, it simply just popped off and showed the SD card.

In my opinion i prefer the HD2 because its customizable where you can run Android straight from your SD CARD where the HD7 you cant. Another thing is that every time you insert a different SD CARD on the HD7 you have to hard reset becasue its one physical memory and its combined into a single virtual drive so that they appear to be a single large disk.

I will be getting it due to the fact most developers will be supporting Win7 moving forward and I think the new OS will be more customer friendly for the masses.

HD2 does not support flash natively and Hd7 does.

ashasaur said:
Your post is actually incorrect...the HD7, and pretty much all WP7 devices DO have MicroSD slots, the only thing is if you remove the SD card, and reinsert it or another one, you have todo a hard reset on the device to format the new card.
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If you're referring to this then it's still no....
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/29/htc-hd7-has-hidden-microsd-slot-user-replacable-card/
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/...&utm_campaign=Feed:+pocketnow+(pocketnow.com)
http://news.softpedia.com/news/No-MicroSD-Cards-for-HTC-HD7-Video-Tour-Available-165142.shtml
Unless there's something i missed or an official word from HTC themselves it would appear this will indeed void your warranty. I'm not too sure how many people here will risk physical damage of a $700-$800 brand new phone.....
Plus the fact you said yourself and in the articles it would force you to hard reset your phone if replaced. Not the same amount of convenience compared to the HD2.

Indeed. Not the same convinience as hot swapping, but still indeed swappable. And I have a feeling that WP7's need to reformat the card is just some precautionary measure that will eventually be able to be circumvented. All I know is that on the HD7 hardware I played with, that cover simply popped off to reveal the SD slot and the lower part of the SIM slot, didn't have to force it or anything, and then it just snapped right back on...that may have changed on final hardware I do not know.

even if the microSD cover just "pops off", it was not meant to be... just like the iTard battery cover is just a piece of plastic that can be popped off, but steve wants you to mail the whole phone back plus $100 so they'll replace the $3 battery for you, but I digress...
the whole smardphone world is going through an iTardificaiton, and you might as well call the HD7 the iwPhone7... but I digress again...
actually, if you want to dabble in both android and some flavor of Windows mobile, better stick with the HD2, as android is fully functional on it now. hardware wise, there is nothing in the hd7 that you'll miss, kickstand aside.
just my 2c.

ashasaur said:
Indeed. Not the same convinience as hot swapping, but still indeed swappable. And I have a feeling that WP7's need to reformat the card is just some precautionary measure that will eventually be able to be circumvented. All I know is that on the HD7 hardware I played with, that cover simply popped off to reveal the SD slot and the lower part of the SIM slot, didn't have to force it or anything, and then it just snapped right back on...that may have changed on final hardware I do not know.
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Well from what i've been reading removable memory is not "officially" supported. It's not meant to be removed without voiding the warranty.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361377,00.asp
In that article is says you'll be able to see the card "locked" under the battery and i'm sure that's probably what you saw in the HD7.. now whether or not it actually voids anything is completely debatable. Article is a bit old but that's what i've been hearing.
Based on that article it would seem Microsoft is gunning for a smooth streamlined experience with out hick ups. Makes sense in a way to not allow third party microSD cards with varying performance such as brand and class speeds.

Never mind.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807900&page=6
apparently the microSD problem is already being actively discussed....
OK, I,ve now taken the ten screws out and the plastic bit just lifts off. I took the card out and it is a 16gb sd card.
I tried to read it but it comes up with please insert card so I'm not sure how it is formatted or what is on it.
One of the screws has a void sticker on it for the warranty.
I've put the phone back together and it still works.
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Well there's the answer. Apparently it is accessible you'll just forfeit your warranty..... choices choices.

There is NO way i would be willing to void my warranty to the point where t-mobile would FOR SURE know. Right now i can always flash back to stock rom and send for replacement. Ripping the sticker that voids the warranty is no different than getting that little round dot that changes color wet, on purpose.