Hey, quick question. Should you be able to root the sapphire exactly the same way as the dream by first downgrading to the early android builds, or will a new hack have to be found?
I'm wondering whether to get a magic or not, but I'd want to root it and there doesn't seem to be any documentation on it yet.
Cheers, Luke
bumping this as i probably wont get one unless i can root it..... although root doesn't offer much extra now with cupcake....
MontAlbert said:
bumping this as i probably wont get one unless i can root it..... although root doesn't offer much extra now with cupcake....
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You'd get Superuser access, which would allow (amongst other things) Wi-Fi Tethering and the taskmanager - two programs I really, really want to use!
Here's hoping one of the smarter lads get their hands on one of these soon! I'd donate!
Wifi tethering, screenshots, taskmanager, (proper) themes.. all good reasons to go root.
slonzor said:
Hey, quick question. Should you be able to root the sapphire exactly the same way as the dream by first downgrading to the early android builds, or will a new hack have to be found?
I'm wondering whether to get a magic or not, but I'd want to root it and there doesn't seem to be any documentation on it yet.
Cheers, Luke
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Downgrading wouldn't help, as there is a lack of the physical keyboard on the magic to type in commands through the terminal exploit in the rc29 and lower android build. (without 1.5 there is no keyboard functionality without adb (read about this Project)
MontAlbert said:
bumping this as i probably wont get one unless i can root it..... although root doesn't offer much extra now with cupcake....
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One think I like about this forum. Is that info taken from one thread can be used to help another thread...
Maybe we can root the magic using the adb shell commands they have discussed there. Its theonly thing I can think of to enter anything into the phone without a physical keyboard.
Yesterday I did some research on my Magic about rooting it.
I think it's not very easy. At least not as easy as with the Dream.
The Google Terminal emulator doesn't work on the Magic due to the lack of the physical keyboard. So I used the adb shell and discovered the following:
/system/bin/sh is executed as user "shell". So we can't do anything funky with it. You can't even view all the config files in /etc or change into every directory you want
The sdcard is mounted with gid and uid 1000 which is user and group "system". It is also mounted with nosuid and noexec. So we also have no chance of executing stuff from it.
I wonder where these groups and users are coming from since there is no /etc/passwd
A portscan revealed that there are no daemons listening on the wifi interface -> No possible exploitation.
Perhaps porting one of the early Dream roms that can easily be rooted and then taking advantage of their vulnerabilities will be a more feasible solution? I know that without the physical keyboard there would be no way to type but it might be possible to configure a build with a custom app that runs at startup and performs the necessary keystrokes for you. Just a suggestion mind, no idea if its practical.
I'd quite like to be able to use the wifi tethering apps as well, and whatever else may be released in the future that takes advantage of root capabilities.
Does anybody know if a Bluetooth keyboard works?
the telnet application has an textbox so textbox allows virtual keyboard & if telnet app is configured to run like terminal emulator means just skip the connect method it would give same functionality as the terminal emulator...
is what i am saying right?
wouldnt matter anyways. The but that let us gain root is patched, and I doubt they made the exact same mistake twice.
lets keep fingers crossed and hope that someone is already working on a way to root the magic
BUllIsh
You Can root magic just as any thing else htc makes.This is true that it has no real keys but it can run the terminal app you dont need telnet never did and never will. to root a htc magic (sapphire) all you need is sdk a fresh copy of dreming.nbh Adb or Term app what ever you perffer and some time i wont go in to spec. wrong thread but i will affter i up date android root with mike But it not theroy its fact.......that any htc android will and can be upgraded any knock off androids like *sigh* samsung,motorola,nokia blah.blah the will have to wait for there network updates lol because all new non htc phones wont have this perk. htc uses the sdcard rom upgrade to check system and function of the phone. lil fyi MAGIC CAN BE ROOTED
But only uk phones not sure if or what RC firm vodafone has as of yet but if ya live over seas with this phone get it unlocked vodafone if they wont htc will>>>
llxll0m3g4llxll said:
You Can root magic just as any thing else htc makes.This is true that it has no real keys but it can run the terminal app you dont need telnet never did and never will. to root a htc magic (sapphire) all you need is sdk a fresh copy of dreming.nbh Adb or Term app what ever you perffer and some time i wont go in to spec. wrong thread but i will affter i up date android root with mike But it not theroy its fact.......that any htc android will and can be upgraded any knock off androids like *sigh* samsung,motorola,nokia blah.blah the will have to wait for there network updates lol because all new non htc phones wont have this perk. htc uses the sdcard rom upgrade to check system and function of the phone. lil fyi MAGIC CAN BE ROOTED
But only uk phones not sure if or what RC firm vodafone has as of yet but if ya live over seas with this phone get it unlocked vodafone if they wont htc will>>>
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Now we wait for someone to actually do it, and post instructions here. 'Twill be a great day for sure.
i am waiting to,i want to get all the features promised by htc and google.
llxll0m3g4llxll said:
You Can root magic just as any thing else htc makes.This is true that it has no real keys but it can run the terminal app you dont need telnet never did and never will. to root a htc magic (sapphire) all you need is sdk a fresh copy of dreming.nbh Adb or Term app what ever you perffer and some time i wont go in to spec. wrong thread but i will affter i up date android root with mike But it not theroy its fact.......that any htc android will and can be upgraded any knock off androids like *sigh* samsung,motorola,nokia blah.blah the will have to wait for there network updates lol because all new non htc phones wont have this perk. htc uses the sdcard rom upgrade to check system and function of the phone. lil fyi MAGIC CAN BE ROOTED
But only uk phones not sure if or what RC firm vodafone has as of yet but if ya live over seas with this phone get it unlocked vodafone if they wont htc will>>>
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Good luck rooting the european devices
Well I'm waiting for the rooting too
I must had new fonts to the OS..
that's make us 2
i'm also waiting for the HTC MAGIC root to add Hebrew fonts to my new htc magic.
sofrin said:
i'm also waiting for the HTC MAGIC root to add Hebrew fonts to my new htc magic.
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Oh well
I think we are the only two Hebrew speakers around here (Magic forums)
i speak a lil bit
avimak said:
Oh well
I think we are the only two Hebrew speakers around here (Magic forums)
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Hi I just ordered my HTC magic from vodafone, though I have since discovered 2 missing features since.
The first is the circular zoom has been removed from cupcake so not vodafones fault.
Also I hear that the voice search has also been removed.
Can someone with the magic confirm these or point out any other features missing from the G1 or features that may have been demonstrated on the videos demonstrating the Magic.
yes..i'm comfirm
there's more!!
I just got my htc magic yesterday and when I turned it on, it was missing HTC DIALER and the HTC SYNC for android as well.
I'd thought they were included in the package and the phoning screen is different to the demo on the website as well. Not that its the end of the world but at least when you sell something make it clear on what you're getting.
are the described applications like pdf reader, word/excel/power point compability, Microsoft exchange. Enabled?
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are the described applications like pdf reader, word/excel/power point compability, Microsoft exchange. Enabled?
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Not on the Voda variants... but they will be on the HTC release. Typical Network customisation?
I also heard that latitude is missing from google maps.
I am not too worried about these features missing as either, I never use them or apps on the market place can be used instead. Getting my magic on monday.
Latitude is included and works great : -)
Typed on my HTC Magic
My magic is due to arrive on Monday. I am like a lot of others a Kaiser running Android and liked the experience so jumped ship. So what do you think of the magic?
vodafone e-forum
Yeah, we were discussing this on the Vodafone eforum. (thanks to haykuro for proving that things have been left out).
Its quite funny, when we started (on wednesday) the forum was completely open, but in 4 days of posting, we have had external links removed, and now they are moderating every post before it gets published, so they're clearly not happy with us discussing what's missing :/
agree,they been deleting 3 of my posts after about less then 5 minutes that they were up,so how can we get some right answers??
anyway is a disgrace ,so much words on the "OPEN SOURCE" and then some cool features are missing.
i do understand that android need to be modify to fit different phones like the samsung I7500 were on the camera setting there is a extra setting for the flash on/off. but no voice dialling??? i do drive for work so for me is a must feature, no pdf and so on.
i been criticizing the iphone and i don't want bite my tongue.
i hope voda is gone find a solution to all that or we will be forced to jailbreak it if we can get all the features and benefit of the android platform .
should we complain direct to Google as their adverts about android is misleading???????
Branwen
Yeah, we were discussing this on the Vodafone eforum. (thanks to haykuro for proving that things have been left out).
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Sorry I couldn't find discussion on VodaUK forum with links to these apps. on Haykuro's website there are no apps, just Magic port to G1.
Or am I missing something?Is it possible to install HTC Sync on Magic?
Does anyone know how to undo some of the Vodafone restrictions in place on the Magic or revert to the original HTC setup?
Here's a few of the features that I was expecting to see
Rotate Animation - shrink to small image then expand to fit orientation
Menu on lanscape mode
Support for word, exel, pdf etc
Support for Microsoft Exchange
Activesync
Voice activated dialling plus apps
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agree,they been deleting 3 of my posts after about less then 5 minutes that they were up,so how can we get some right answers??
anyway is a disgrace ,so much words on the "OPEN SOURCE" and then some cool features are missing.
i do understand that android need to be modify to fit different phones like the samsung I7500 were on the camera setting there is a extra setting for the flash on/off. but no voice dialling??? i do drive for work so for me is a must feature, no pdf and so on.
i been criticizing the iphone and i don't want bite my tongue.
i hope voda is gone find a solution to all that or we will be forced to jailbreak it if we can get all the features and benefit of the android platform .
should we complain direct to Google as their adverts about android is misleading???????
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i just realize that i cannot send photos via bluethoof .
im starting biting my tongue
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Not on the Voda variants... but they will be on the HTC release. Typical Network customisation?
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I didn't think their was going to be a SIM free version of this handset?
BigRD said:
Does anyone know how to undo some of the Vodafone restrictions in place on the Magic or revert to the original HTC setup?
Here's a few of the features that I was expecting to see
Rotate Animation - shrink to small image then expand to fit orientation
Menu on lanscape mode
Support for word, exel, pdf etc
Support for Microsoft Exchange
Activesync
Voice activated dialling plus apps
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I hoped that this was included too.... but its only on the org. HTC Magic.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/product-tour.html
Hope to see the HTC Magic rom soon.
does the phone support T9 or will the only method of entry is basic Qwerty keyboard?
getting the missing app back from this ??
Can't we concentrate on helping this guy to get the firmware out of his pre release magic to get the missing app from our VF magic back? ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=494535
He's uploaded the system folders on the web but he is still to find a way to get the system dump out. . .. i'm not really too much into android and don't really understand much of it, but can't we get the rom from this phone and get it into VF then we'll be happy with our phone and enjoy it with the rest of our contract ??
I'd like to see htc syn, Microsoft office and active sync back into my vf magic too
Alright, guys, I really like Aria, but have a few concerns:
1. Can someone explain what it means to "root?" I did a wiki-XDA search and found nothing. I guess it means that the Aria can be flashed?
2. Apparently, the Aria won't allow voice command on BT. This is a kiss of death for me. Is it possible that xda developers can remedy this?
3. With an HVGA screen, will apps for VGA, QVGA, WVGA, etc. work?
4. Will Cookie Monster's Sense home screen mod work on the Aria?
I have the Fuze now and love its footprint. The other phones are just too darned big to put in my pocket.
Thanks in advance.
drjim said:
Alright, guys, I really like Aria, but have a few concerns:
1. Can someone explain what it means to "root?" I did a wiki-XDA search and found nothing. I guess it means that the Aria can be flashed?
2. Apparently, the Aria won't allow voice command on BT. This is a kiss of death for me. Is it possible that xda developers can remedy this?
3. With an HVGA screen, will apps for VGA, QVGA, WVGA, etc. work?
4. Will Cookie Monster's Sense home screen mod work on the Aria?
I have the Fuze now and love its footprint. The other phones are just too darned big to put in my pocket.
Thanks in advance.
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1. Basically when you "Root" a phone it means you basically get full access to everything on the phone even if for instance AT&T doesn't want you to uninstall their apps or install non market place apps. Even though there's still a way to install non market place apps on this phone fairly easy, but rooting will make it easier.
2. Not totally sure, if it's an actual issue where the Android OS can't do it then rooting it wont solve this. But if AT&T makes it so yu can't to it then yes rooting would solve the problem.
3. Most apps scale to all screen sizes. On the Android market for instance, it only shows you apps that support your screen resolution and OS version. The only problem I've had with the resolution is when I tried to install Dungeon Hunter it was kinda messed up.
4. Not totally sure sorry ;-(
Clienterror said:
1. Basically when you "Root" a phone it means you basically get full access to everything on the phone even if for instance AT&T doesn't want you to uninstall their apps or install non market place apps. Even though there's still a way to install non market place apps on this phone fairly easy, but rooting will make it easier.
2. Not totally sure, if it's an actual issue where the Android OS can't do it then rooting it wont solve this. But if AT&T makes it so yu can't to it then yes rooting would solve the problem.
3. Most apps scale to all screen sizes. On the Android market for instance, it only shows you apps that support your screen resolution and OS version. The only problem I've had with the resolution is when I tried to install Dungeon Hunter it was kinda messed up.
4. Not totally sure sorry ;-(
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Thanks for the feedback, CT; very helpful. I've been a WM guy for a long time and just learning about Android.
We'll see if anyone knows about #2 and #4.
I don't know if Cookie's home tab has an android port, but i recall reading that he won't support HVGA screens. Cookie does his development with the HD2 in mind.
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I don't know if Cookie's home tab has an android port, but i recall reading that he won't support HVGA screens. Cookie does his development with the HD2 in mind.
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Does the Aria have a large enough screen to allow the top row of Quick Links to appear without scrolling up?
Can someone include a photo of their home Sense screen?
Much appreciated.
From my understanding bt voice commands is a limitation of Android itself, not the phone.
Shad0wguy said:
From my understanding bt voice commands is a limitation of Android itself, not the phone.
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I find that unbelievable given the value of BT voice commands. Do voice commands work with the corded ear piece that comes with the Aria?
Is this a problem for all Android phones?
voice dialing by button press/hold on a bluetooth headset is currently not possible with stock android nor is it possible with any variation or app that i know of.
Hi all i just saw this on windows phone face book page.
Windows Phone An update for Windows Phone begins today. Get all of the details on the official Windows Phone blog.
Our first Windows Phone update—and how to get it.
The windows phone blog post:
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...t-windows-phone-update-and-how-to-get-it.aspx
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I would like to know how does this affects WP7 unlocked devices and cooked roms.
there is an up date for the phone froim 7004 to 7008
I have initiated install - will let you know what happens...
Huh Error! Registry is invalid on the phone :S
WP7 update
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Hi all i just saw this on windows phone face book page.
I would like to know how does this affects WP7 unlocked devices and cooked roms.
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I noticed that this update appeared on Zune. Think I'll wait till some of the experts here give us advice if this can be applied to the WP7 on the HD2
thats why i didnt install update afraid it might jack up my hd2.wait and see what the pros do
send a report to microsoft saying your hd2 cant update
lol, someone should try and use the update for there hd2 and tell us how it goes,
believe it or not, i wouldn't be surprised if some hd2's update good and some don't.
we'll let the dev's make a new rom for this than.
Seeing the same on mine.. runs through the process, then backs out the changes saying registry settings are invalid
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Seeing the same on mine.. runs through the process, then backs out the changes saying registry settings are invalid
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yea i just connected my phone and the update popped up, i'll give it a try and post back up with what it says.
Same thing here with DFT build for HD2, registry error and it backed out.
lol Guys, why would the update work, as its meant for an HD7, not a reg hacked HD2.??? THe hardware specs are not the same so the drivers will have been changed/modded so it just aint gonna happen.
Dont bother trying to apply the update, we'll have to all wait until the new rom is dumped and re-hacked.
You will also know that the new rom will block chevron unlocking, although schaps is on the case, google for more info
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lol Guys, why would the update work, as its meant for an HD7, not a reg hacked HD2.??? THe hardware specs are not the same so the drivers will have been changed/modded so it just aint gonna happen.
Dont bother trying to apply the update, we'll have to all wait until the new rom is dumped and re-hacked.
You will also know that the new rom will block chevron unlocking, although schaps is on the case, google for more info
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Nice to hear this, either way trying wouldn't have hurt anyone.
I am using HD2 with WP7. Itried earlier to install the update, I have received an error.
Link to the Zune error here:
http://b0njaw.sn2.livefilestore.com...R6IpsDhmbxrlR89UD/WP7 Update ERROR.JPG?psid=1
Some people are just born dumb.
i hate to say i told you so but i cant resist.
I did say that there would be a way for MS to identify our HD2s, there will be some common reg entry or file in the original DFT release that they have scanned for and i got slated for it. oh well, going to have to wait for a updated ROM my thinks, and based on the fact that this update only changes the way in which our phones get updated i dont think there is any point in the slightest in installing this.
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You are soooooo right!!!
same here zune 80180089 error
We all have to wait for dev's to cook this into there roms, either way this
isn't that much of a big update, so it's really not worth it.
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i hate to say i told you so but i cant resist.
I did say that there would be a way for MS to identify our HD2s, there will be some common reg entry or file in the original DFT release that they have scanned for and i got slated for it. oh well, going to have to wait for a updated ROM my thinks, and based on the fact that this update only changes the way in which our phones get updated i dont think there is any point in the slightest in installing this.
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I'm see no reason why Microsoft wouldn't be able read your phone's IMEI before updating. It's a more reliable model identifier than anything in the registry, and will instantly tell them they're dealing with a HD2.
Indeed, not much point in trying to apply this update. At best, you gain very little (no new features). At worst, you're going to have to reflash.
check the video here :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH_x22NY6Yk
enjoy this great news
Very happy!
DFT SIMPLY ROCKS the planet! HD2 Owners have to be happy
Woohoo!
We all know it's possible.
Now it's just the waiting game.
Still at a loss... what exactly is NoDo?
Copy and paste, marketplace search and bug fixes and the name NoDo is a dig at android (No doughnut)
Wow. can't wait. Anyone know if any navigation has been added?
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Copy and paste, marketplace search and bug fixes and the name NoDo is a dig at android (No doughnut)
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Marketplace search is in 7004...just hot the search (Home) key while in marketplace.
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Copy and paste, marketplace search and bug fixes and the name NoDo is a dig at android (No doughnut)
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Actually it isn't. It was a Microsoft In-joke since one of their employees forgot to bring Donuts to a meeting or something.
wow! i can't wait .. happy hd2 owner here
Bravo bravo DFT
Two thumbs up from this guy!
Although this is really really nice, i am in a "dilemma" right now
Trying Dual boot right now still with an old ROM or wait until NoDo gets finally released.
Anyway, thumbs up for their great work!
Great! Looking forward to testing this!
I've got WP7 running all the time and I love it.
with bated breath I await this update.
Never mind the update, what we need is an updater, Zune can do it so its possible, just need to fine out exactly what it does / how it does it!
^^^^^^^^ ..
True, because no matter what DFT brought us today, they won't be supporting the HD2 (especially WP7 on it) forever .
But at the meantime, who cares !!!
WE HAVE NODO
I vote the notion of having ability to update our beloved HD2 using Zune itself... This way we have more secure path for the future upgrades but I don't know how hard this could be?
but so far, DFT is keeping HD2 alive and mango is far far away...
Thanks DFT
iDev
well as far as i can tell, and not having a native WP7 device means thats not very much, the HD2 has two potential issues, firstly, and most obviously, Zune apparently detects either a reg entry or a system file difference that identifies the HD2 as an HD2
secondly, when the device does its reboot thing before atempting a backup Windows 7 detects and installes a LEO device driver.
now it does the second thing even when you use a windows system that has never had a LEO attached, so something during the restart/flash screen is shouting LEO
now the question is, is Zune really detecting a reg entry / file issue, or is it the LEO device driver....
whats your thoughts?
it could of course be both, what would be handy is a complete reg dump of a HD2 and the WP7 device our ROM comes from to see if there is any likely differences that may be the reason.
likewise it would be handy to get ahold of the driver that is installed for the WP7 device our ROM comes from when it goes in to updating mode, could it be as simple as messing about with some hardware IDs and system driver files on the PC? doubt it, but good as place as any to start
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well as far as i can tell, and not having a native WP7 device means thats not very much, the HD2 has two potential issues, firstly, and most obviously, Zune apparently detects either a reg entry or a system file difference that identifies the HD2 as an HD2
secondly, when the device does its reboot thing before atempting a backup Windows 7 detects and installes a LEO device driver.
now it does the second thing even when you use a windows system that has never had a LEO attached, so something during the restart/flash screen is shouting LEO
now the question is, is Zune really detecting a reg entry / file issue, or is it the LEO device driver....
whats your thoughts?
it could of course be both, what would be handy is a complete reg dump of a HD2 and the WP7 device our ROM comes from to see if there is any likely differences that may be the reason.
likewise it would be handy to get ahold of the driver that is installed for the WP7 device our ROM comes from when it goes in to updating mode, could it be as simple as messing about with some hardware IDs and system driver files on the PC? doubt it, but good as place as any to start
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We can use all the Live services, so what's the problem?
It does indeed say magdlr version 1.14 on the vid but it also saysbuild 14th feb!!
I am STILL trying to get custom MP3 ringtones on this phone. Probably the most frustrating thing i've ever had to do with a so-called world class product. I searched the TouchXplorer site but I may have missed it. Can someone post a link if its available? Thanks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=938106
.wma only!!
I had much better luck with this one, of course it still requires a dev. unlocked phone via chevron unlocker (must do pre-nodo)
http://www.samsungfocusforum.net/ne...ll-papers-and-desktop/new-ringtone-installer/
TouchXPlorer file browsing DOES NOT work on Focus. It states in the guys thread that it uses custom HTC API for that part and he hopes to make it more universal in the future.
hx4700 Killer said:
I had much better luck with this one, of course it still requires a dev. unlocked phone via chevron unlocker (must do pre-nodo)
http://www.samsungfocusforum.net/ne...ll-papers-and-desktop/new-ringtone-installer/
TouchXPlorer file browsing DOES NOT work on Focus. It states in the guys thread that it uses custom HTC API for that part and he hopes to make it more universal in the future.
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Thats what I thought... dang i feel like i am spinning my wheels with this stupid phone.... {sigh}
All that is supposed to come in Mango. Its not the phones fault. Blame M.S. and this Alpha OS release.
If I were running the dept. this came out of I would shoot, fire and shoot again the project manager on this.
Either he reported it as ready and clearly as we all know its not...
OR
Microsoft wanted to release it in a state they knew they could rapidly update to better things so they would get a rep for that unlike iPhone.
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.wma only!!
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Wrong! any audio file the phone can play will work as a ringtone, I know because I have mp3s as my ringtone right now on my HD7.
Then please share how you were able to accomplish this.
As of now, I have not found any file explorers for the phone. There are a few good registry editors which show a lot of stuff, but no working explorer that i know of for the Focus yet. Mango update needs to be here yesterday b/c the lack of things like this continue to make people buy other OS phones. They need to bring back the wm6.5 customizations and all that