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Just found official information that the Trinity will get GPS
See folowing link to the latest HTC brochure.
http://www.europe.htc.com/z/pdf/products/HTC_PRODUCT_BROCHURE_V2_111006.pdf
Guess many of us are happy now
read the bulletin - "Standalone GPS" means an indipendent accessories that provide GPS connectivity... it will be available shortly, which is not a specially fresh news since standalone BT GPSs' have been on the market for a while now (Haicom etc)
its all a bit ambiguous - if you have a look at the way they write up the p3300 you see there choice of words is "standalone gps"
it doesn't matter, even without the GPS function i will still get a set
As we say in Germany : The one who can read has a clear advantage... Trinity will not have GPS on board, period. Xenov, first post, welcome, you are excused...
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As we say in Germany : The one who can read has a clear advantage... Trinity will not have GPS on board, period. Xenov, first post, welcome, you are excused...
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Let's interpred the text this way: HTC will not praise their latest top notch product in the first line of text with "Standalone GPS" when in reality it is a separate GPS device. This is not like HTC.
When "standalone GPS" means a seperate GPS device, then this text would apply to all today's pocket PC's... and HTC would not use this phrase in the first line of text to praise their new pride...
Time will tell, let everyone judge for his/her own...
Mate, read carefully: The "standalone" GPS refers to the HTC 3300, and that is the HTC Artemis, not Trinity. But by now HTC boss Peter Chou must have understood that you are really keen on GPS ))
And as we say in Germany : Other mothers have beautiful daughters, too. Look at this baby, a competitor to HTC Artemis, with GPS:
http://www.etencorp.com/products/Communication/x500.php
IMHO the standalone perhaps means that they will release the HTC branded BT GPS module
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Mate, read carefully: The "standalone" GPS refers to the HTC 3300, and that is the HTC Artemis, not Trinity. But by now HTC boss Peter Chou must have understood that you are really keen on GPS ))
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At both devices HTC mentiones "Standalone GPS": P3600 aka Trinity AND P3300 aka Artemis... Sorry but this is the way it is... can't change it
English - the worlds most ambiguous language......
Either HTC's marketing department is completely useless or they wanted us to stir up this debate for a reason (time for another paranoid pill)
or
we are all just kidding ourselves
(probably the latter)
inevitably only time will tell
What about letiting it mean that unlike the Artemis that comes with stand alone gps and program installed, Trinity will have stand alone gps, but without the program. So that you can choose whichever provider you like
Cheer up guys!!
If there would be GPS "in" the device, all those people testing the device would have noticed it for sure.
From what I read earlier, the GPS is already inside the device but it has not been activated as it conflicts with the Quad-band GSM chip. However, it is said there there will be a ROM upgrade in the future that would finally make the GPS module usable once the conflicts have been fixed.
From the PDF file, I would think that it supports the reports above. Reason being, for both the Trinity and Artemis, they are noted to have standalone GPS and we know for sure that the Artemis already has it.
I guess the reaon for them putting the * and saying that it would be available shortly for the Trinity is likely due to the reports where they are working on fixing the problem and would release a ROM upgrade to enable it in the future.
What do you guys think?
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If there would be GPS "in" the device, all those people testing the device would have noticed it for sure.
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You might be right providing the GPS hardware is connected by software somehow.
The way I understand the situation is that the GPS unit is in the hardware, but not connected by software. Production of the hardware is running from mid october so the hardware won't change anymore.
The only way HTC can make the promised "standalone GPS available shortly", is by software update...
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What do you guys think?
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Agree....
Nice Trinity pics, even for those (like me) who do not understand Polish.
http://pdaclub.pl/view.php?news_id=11939
I guess you guys should check this this out; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279546 for clarification.
ah a beauty! white version triumphs big time over the black version...
if theres so much conflict abt the GPS issue in the Trinity why cant HTC rectify the problem then release the Trinity with GPS or discard the Quad-band GSM chip n use another chip!?!?!?
Thanks for the piscs, really nice the white one.
Hope we can enjoy the GPS on a next ROM upgrade. The time is more close...
Being involved into GPS business, I can say that "standalone GPS" would mean "standalone GPS mode" an opposite to AGPS, or even DGPS/RTK (though I doubt the latter). Read e.g. here:
The resulting AGPS system boosts performance beyond that of the same receiver in a stand-alone mode.
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If it was an external unit, I'm sure it would be called as such with additional "optional" remark.
Hi everybody,
Today one of the Russian PDA forums was claiming Herald to have a built-in GPS (!!!) just like the one in Artemis. The only problem is that there's some contact needing to be soldered.
What do you think, is that possible?
Interesting )))) 4PDA ????
Please post more info
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Yup. It was on 4PDA.
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Yup. It was on 4PDA.
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I see )))))
gpsd possibility ??
Please send a link so we can take a look at this and research the possibility of gps.
this would be great, anyone can post a link so that we can view it and practive our russian.
best regards
any new informations?
it's a nice fact, my vpa compact 4 will come in 3 days
Wheres the link
Still waiting for the link on that gps coverage ?????
The source of the rumor is here.
But there is nothing more than was said already. Just a pure claim (speculation?), without any detalis.
The initial source says that he had heard it from a person who is an official HTC representative. No more no less. Blueprints unavailable.
I heard fm a newsgroup said that, Herald using the same radio chips as Trinity, which has GPS capability.
But the problem is, Herald doesn't have built-in GPS antenna. That may be what "soldering" needed
Herald and Trinity have different RF modules. Don't confuse it with TyTN, pls.
I've dissassembled Herald - there's no anything inside about GPS
Well.. i think every HTC has an build in GPS because the Herald uses EDGE. that's an sort of GPS so maybe if you search the internet for an edge gps converter, it will show up something promesing. but if you guys want me to contact the HTC company and ask them if the phone has an GPS, i'd do that. a friend of mine works at HTC. i can contact him.
Sry about my rubbish english. it's early in the morning.
^What?! I... wha... I'm gonna go smoke a blunt.
Even if it has GPS, where do you think we can put the antenna? I think Artemis and Herald are same from hardwer point of view.
that cant be true. in trinity there was antena and cpu with integrated gps chipset. in hermes there was same cpu with same chipset but there was no way to install antena and project was quit.
in artemis there is same cpu as in herald but this cpu is in wizard to for example (and in some smartphone) and gps isn't integrated. in artemis this is a standalone chipset which i cant find on my heralds motherboard.. and.. even if that chip is somewhere on our mb's it will not work at all because of lack of antenna.
and between gps and gprs (edge) there are "huge" diffrence...
"edge gps converter"?
and this as a bonus for them who dont belive me that omap850 doesnt have gps implementation. http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...lateId=6123&navigationId=12000&contentId=4679
sorry for my english :/
It was probably misread from here.
Such a large portfolio makes it difficult to differentiate individual models substantially. A quick look at the technical specifications will reveal many similarities with the HTC P3300 (Artemis) that we reviewed recently, although the devices look completely different. In short, take out the GPS module and the unique HTC RollR™ control, add a slider keyboard and voila: we can herald a new device.
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I thought it was so strange that when I scanned for bluetooth devices I picked up my (pc) internet modem (which is wireless enabled) so I thought bluetooth and wifi must share a lot of the same characteristics.
I was browsing for the latest Android developments and stumbled on the following
Please take a look at this page http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12000&contentId=4679
And this one http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12019&contentId=4635&DCMP=WTBU&HQS=Other+OT+bluetooth
This seems to mean that FM Radio and WiFi is a standard feature of OMAP 850 chips and (for the touch owners look at this page http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12028&contentId=4636&DCMP=WTBU&HQS=Other+OT+agps)
Seems If you have Bluetooth you also have wifi and possibly fm radio built in only lacking the drivers (no special wifi antenna is used in the omap 850 solution accoriding to TI)
It would seem that all we need is the right drivers and regsettings (so no new rom or radio rom should be needed)
Who can make it a working cab?
Woooooooooo!
Good news.
great job
if some solution, make me to buy one.
by the soft solution, strange story !no idea for none cost effective option. why do HTC designers make a 2008 PDA with no WiFi Option!
wow
wow...it might be dream come ture if it happens....please some body develop a driver for pharos Fm radio n wifi.....please buit up some regsettings......
This is a good information. Hope that we could make it work on our Pharos.
Good News... I hope who will make it soon because I don't understand about ARM work.
That is an awesome find man. I hope this info is used to get a wifi working ROM.
I thought it was some kind of cost saving to not include wifi, i.e. some missing hardware. If it's just a driver, that is the so friggen stupid! Why have such a great phone and then neuter it by taking away wifi? And the price is still just as high as the Artemis when it came out. The lack of wifi is the only thing that would keep me from buying one. Otherwise, it would be a great upgrade phone for me since I don't need nor have 3G with my service and and it has the cool flush screen that I wish my Artemis had.
someone knows if the touch dual then also could have the wifi option turned on by drivers? the touch normal has wifi, so i guess it should be possible.
anyone tried the drivers from the htc wizard? it also has a ti omap 850, so driver from such a rom could be coocked into the rom of other devices.
@VOODOOS!L
The touch dual uses the Qualcomm 7200 chipset. That chipset uses the arm926tesj as a co processor but i dont think its the full OMAP 850 chiset.
but there is a project for enabling niki wifi (started out as a project ot enabkle both wifi and gps)
@shawndh
Phone manufacterors do it all the time. Look at the Kaiser story, yes they have some great graphical chip (would be too expensive to make a different chiset with another graphical chip) so they just didnt include the drivers for it.
With some other phones like the touch HTC disabled the wifi in the radio rom... maybe some techies here could try to put an artemis radio rom in the pharos... but for none techies this would probably be an instant brick (thats why i didnt try it) tom_codon maybe you could say something about this....input would be apreciated.
Come to think of it, I remember that they had a crippled GPS radio or something in the TyTn I. The only reason I could think of for disabling wifi is so people who need wifi would buy the the Artemis. To be honest, if I had a choice btwn the two, I would get the Pharos over the Artemis if they both had wifi. Even so, it should still have wifi.
This ia a good news.
I'm waiting.
you know what... im giving up.
ive tried pm ing some guys working on the wifi on nike project, asking tomcodon. no response as yet and prolly not going to get one.
And tried to get qtopia and winlizard(gizard) working.
but in the linux world up is down, left is right, and smart is stupid. those people are (in dutch: contactgestoord) communicationally challenged. you cant find anything on their sites. there is no(or very little) documentation on how stuff works ...noone explains anything... so in order to learn linux you have to know it.
thats why m$ can afford to be so sucky: their competition sucks so much more
i said to the guys at irc #linzwizard hey thnx for the build, i can boot it too (gizard aka linwizard 0.3.0) but the touchscreen driver crashes.
he then said make a support request at sourceforge which i did (btw it isnt obvious how to .. it should be very simple. but hey... thats the linux way, isnt it) response was.. and this is a shocker.. your touchscreen driver doesnt work(.... grrreeeaat) you should disable it...(no description on how)
up for the rom with wifi for the pharos!
Thanks
Not to rain on anyone parade but from the first page from TI, it looks like to get wifi support you have to have a special chip in the phone(upper left corner) thats diferent that the chip to get wifi, so unless someone knows for sure that the WiLink chips are present, I think we are without wifi
Wait and see...
The only problem is... How long does it take to finalize such a ROM?
If it takes 1 yr, for example, I think I will have already changed to at least TouchHD..
Anyway, good news!
Hello! I have a HTC Pharos for one month. Yesterday, i accidentally have wetted phone by tea, and then i disassembled it for cleaning. Cleaning was finish sucсessfully, now phone is working
During disassembly of the device I have made some pictures. I think Wlan module is in the device. Look at the photo! Motherboard have many connectors for external antennas, and Wlan connector is on the board!
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos.jpg
thank you for the picture, its in a good resolution! but what would have made it more clear is if you would have looked for a specific Texas instruments chip with letter combinaton BRF or BL (there are 4 chips mentioned with a dual solution BL6450 BRF 6350 BRF6300 and BRF6150 last one is not good because its a bluetooth only chip) we should also be looking for TI chips with a WL designation and number 1271 1273 1251 1253
at least (BRF6300) - Bluetooth specification v2.0 + EDR single chip should be in the Pharos since we have that bluetooth spec.
in the picture i can make out the TWL3027 chip with extra designation BZQW (at least i think its that chip ... according to the ti site that would be the baseband chip but it doesnt describe on the site what the extra letters mean)http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12311&contentId=4706
[URL="http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12025&contentId=4645&DCMP=WTBU&HQS=Other+OT+mwlan"]http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12019&contentId=4635&DCMP=WTBU&HQS=Other+OT+bluetooth[/URL]
hope this is readable since i have a hangover
Kostyan could you post the other pics you made of the interior of the Pharos
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thank you for the picture, its in a good resolution! but what would have made it more clear is if you would have looked for a specific Texas instruments chip with letter combinaton BRF or BL (there are 4 chips mentioned with a dual solution BL6450 BRF 6350 BRF6300 and BRF6150 last one is not good because its a bluetooth only chip) we should also be looking for TI chips with a WL designation and number 1271 1273 1251 1253
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Maybe this iron box is Wlan module?
http://flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos2.jpg
I may open this box, if it is requires for this research
And on this picture, front side of device it is found Wlan antenna? (if overwind board, supposed Wlan module with connector correspond (matched) to on position with Wlan antenna, and it connected with module)
http://flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos3.jpg
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Kostyan could you post the other pics you made of the interior of the Pharos
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Of course, there is all photos:
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos2.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos3.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos4.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos5.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos6.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos7.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos8.jpg
Phone Details
Have the HTC HD2 Leo (iphone 3gs convert (well nearly))
UK generic using on O2
Manilla: 2.5
rom: 1.48
radio version: 2.05
Hi i'd be grateful if anyone could answer one or both of my Q's, thanks:
1. Home screen tabs
Question: can programs be added to the home screen tabs.
I wanted to know if it was possible to extend the number of home screen tabs to the ones that already exist - home, mail, messages, internet, calender, [my program] etc. I'm aware that these can be personalised and removed but dont know how to add to them. Is this possible? Is there a reg tweak, cab to enable this. Couldnt find any so far. Already using the kindly provided tweak from Vovichek_Jamrecords to enable 16 quick links but wanted to add extra home screen tabs.
2. FM transmitter
Question: Does the HTC HD 2 Leo have the ability to transmit fm signals. Does it have a transmitter ability.
I wanted to be able to send music to my car radio without the use of a 3rd party bolt on fm transmitter. I am unable to use bluetooth and have no other way to connect to stereo. I dont want to replace it. Thanks.
The HD2 Leo has the ability to receive fm radio (via headphones) obvioulsy and wondered if its chip can be enabled to transmit. Is there an app, tweak available. Or is it a hardware question meaning the phone simply cant do it. If so can anyone suggest a bolt on micro usb powered fm transmitter. I have a bolt on transmitter for the iphone and wondered if equivalent could be available for the HTC
Thanks. Seb.
Note:
I have had the the Leo for a few weeks now. The main attraction is its great screen and openess to tweaks etc (despite apples jailbreak community). Being v new to the windows mob platform I'm struggling a little but I am liking it. There are many things that i am missing about the iphones OS (its much better suited for the simpleton). Its OS just seems much smoother and rounded. I'm sure everyone is aware of WM6.5 deficiencies. Apps just seem much more tailored to the apple. Well I guess Apple control the hardware and software etc and so is to be expected. Will keep perservering with the HTC however. If it just had a front facing camera (not that the apple does) then that would have clenched it. Also keyboard - no matter what cabs,tweaks i try its just not as good as the iphone. I hope WM7 that i hear is coming will be that much better. There's plenty of info about the phones on this forum and others and so wont get into the iphone v htc debate. However, comparison is unavoidable!
There is no answer?
I want to use FM Transmitter on HD2.
The HD2 does not have an FM transmitter.
You could try the Motorola T505 that takes a Bluetooth A2DP stereo signal from the phone and acts as a BT Handsfree, but it also retransmits the music as an FM signal.
Answer to question 1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638 (22)
Answer to question 2: NO
you can buy fm transmitters that take the output from your 3.5 stereo socket dirt cheap nowadays.I have seen them for a tenner on my local market though I would be a little wary of the signalquality. this has the added benefit of working with anything with a standard earphone output.I have never seen a micro usb transmitter.
in the regestry edit you enter the section BCMSDDHD1 has any one noticed that the first 3 letters bcm reveals to the broadcom chip that exists in it as models from this company starts with 3 letters like (BCM4329)
and the only chip in this company that supports n wifi is the (BCM4329) that exists in the google nexus one and this chip supports fm transmition so
conclusion (if hd2 really supports wifi n type then it contains the only chip that supports it which is the BCM4329 that should support fm transmittence ) so if (wifi n) is really supported then the hd2 has a built in (fm transmitter hardware) that exists in the (BCM4329)chip so we hope to make an application to activate this option
correct me if iam wrong
what we have reached till now for developers
1.BLAST3RR have helped us with the datasheet in the attatchements for the broadcom chip
2. some tests are made to make sure that the hd2 has a really wifi n hardware and it seems that it supports it some what so we are some what sure that hd2 contains the BCM4329 chip as it is the only chip that supports wifi n type but we need live evidense
3. there are some pics of the internal components but it doesnot show the kind of the chip
4. xmoo posted a link to a cab that may help us in developing http://rapidshare.com/files/34053706...ebug_Tools.cab and here is the link of its thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5446085
5.BLAST3RR reached that hd2 definitely has an audio path to the TX part for the FM radio, as it is listed in the 'WceSetAudioDev'.
Among the options is a 'I2S TX'. I therefore assume this is the path needed to feed the transmitter audio
6.useful files are added in attatchements fmradiosdk.dll & htcfm.dill to help in development
what is missing us
1. we only miss drivers for now
thanks you all for your support
i have posted a post in windows software development forum to ask experts to help us this is the post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624822
updates
the hd2 is confirmed now to to have the bmc 4329 see this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624331 see the attatchements
Interesting..
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Interesting..
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thanks for the support
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let's hope some of the professionals read this post and help us
please i don't want this post to die
Anything is (possible). But wouldn't the (HD2) need some kind of (transmission aerial) suitable for (FM)? And if it had that, then (HTC would have added the feature in the first place).
Why the weird brackets, by the way?
interesting
Good luck for the R&D guys to figure that out. Some mod should make this one sticky.
+1 here aswell
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elyl said:
Anything is (possible). But wouldn't the (HD2) need some kind of (transmission aerial) suitable for (FM)? And if it had that, then (HTC would have added the feature in the first place).
Why the weird brackets, by the way?
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the fm transmittance antenna is in the broadcom chip(BCM4329) it self as it is said to has two antennas see this http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4329
and rememper tp2 it has fm radio hardware but it was disabled until some developers enabled it by cab and disabeling wifi n in hd2 until a sutiable tweak to enable it (who knows why htc do things like this)
i hope this thread to be stickey as it will be ignored and we will never know the truth
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Very interesting indeed!
elyl said:
Anything is (possible). But wouldn't the (HD2) need some kind of (transmission aerial) suitable for (FM)? And if it had that, then (HTC would have added the feature in the first place).
Why the weird brackets, by the way?
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Even if this is the case, I think the same antenna would be used as for receiving FM radio (the headset). So still, no worries as far as the aerial concerns.
This would probably require a driver to work first, though. Then the second thing to find is an application to send audio to it/control frequencies.
Anyone who would be able to develop such application will definitely get a donation from me.
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Even if this is the case, I think the same antenna would be used as for receiving FM radio (the headset). So still, no worries as far as the aerial concerns.
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but i think fm transmittance antenna is not the same as the fm reciver my frind has nokia n79 it needs headset to recive fm but it transmits without it
i think fm transmittence is direct from the chip as it has two antennas one for wifi and other for fm transmittence as i read before but reciving fm signals is through the headset as it needs longer antena
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but i think fm transmittance antenna is not the same as the fm reciver my frind has nokia n79 it needs headset to recive fm but it transmits without it
i think fm transmittence is direct from the chip as it has two antennas one for wifi and other for fm transmittence as i read before but reciving fm signals is through the headset as it needs longer antena
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I know, but I was just stating that the aerial should therefore be no problem.
And that this would definitely be worth investigating.
When I had a Nokia N86 it had the FM transmitting aerial built into the battery cover.
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I know, but I was just stating that the aerial should therefore be no problem.
And that this would definitely be worth investigating.
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sorry you are right the aerial is not the problem now
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