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Rumors on Herald having built-in GPS

Hi everybody,
Today one of the Russian PDA forums was claiming Herald to have a built-in GPS (!!!) just like the one in Artemis. The only problem is that there's some contact needing to be soldered.
What do you think, is that possible?

Interesting )))) 4PDA ????

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BackDraft said:
Interesting )))) 4PDA ????
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Yup. It was on 4PDA.

Biom Defiler said:
Yup. It was on 4PDA.
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I see )))))

gpsd possibility ??
Please send a link so we can take a look at this and research the possibility of gps.

this would be great, anyone can post a link so that we can view it and practive our russian.
best regards

any new informations?
it's a nice fact, my vpa compact 4 will come in 3 days

Wheres the link
Still waiting for the link on that gps coverage ?????

The source of the rumor is here.
But there is nothing more than was said already. Just a pure claim (speculation?), without any detalis.

The initial source says that he had heard it from a person who is an official HTC representative. No more no less. Blueprints unavailable.

I heard fm a newsgroup said that, Herald using the same radio chips as Trinity, which has GPS capability.
But the problem is, Herald doesn't have built-in GPS antenna. That may be what "soldering" needed

Herald and Trinity have different RF modules. Don't confuse it with TyTN, pls.
I've dissassembled Herald - there's no anything inside about GPS

Well.. i think every HTC has an build in GPS because the Herald uses EDGE. that's an sort of GPS so maybe if you search the internet for an edge gps converter, it will show up something promesing. but if you guys want me to contact the HTC company and ask them if the phone has an GPS, i'd do that. a friend of mine works at HTC. i can contact him.
Sry about my rubbish english. it's early in the morning.

^What?! I... wha... I'm gonna go smoke a blunt.

Even if it has GPS, where do you think we can put the antenna? I think Artemis and Herald are same from hardwer point of view.

that cant be true. in trinity there was antena and cpu with integrated gps chipset. in hermes there was same cpu with same chipset but there was no way to install antena and project was quit.
in artemis there is same cpu as in herald but this cpu is in wizard to for example (and in some smartphone) and gps isn't integrated. in artemis this is a standalone chipset which i cant find on my heralds motherboard.. and.. even if that chip is somewhere on our mb's it will not work at all because of lack of antenna.
and between gps and gprs (edge) there are "huge" diffrence...
"edge gps converter"?
and this as a bonus for them who dont belive me that omap850 doesnt have gps implementation. http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...lateId=6123&navigationId=12000&contentId=4679
sorry for my english :/

It was probably misread from here.
Such a large portfolio makes it difficult to differentiate individual models substantially. A quick look at the technical specifications will reveal many similarities with the HTC P3300 (Artemis) that we reviewed recently, although the devices look completely different. In short, take out the GPS module and the unique HTC RollR™ control, add a slider keyboard and voila: we can herald a new device.
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shift GPS

hi all
is it true the shift's GPS is blocked ?
can someone confirm ?
if so, what can be done to use TOMTOM on it ?
please advise
Thanks

Not blocked, just not there.

that blows ....
i was about to order one...
oh well, i guess ill just stick to my advantage x7500...
thanks.

By the way I'm using TomTom on my universal but I'm not comfortable to use TOMTOM. I have to enter specific information to use search function, even doesn't have that much result even I paid.
and Tomtom can't navigate to extra number of address like 85-89156 ****HWY.
only can navigate 85 ****hwy. and I Think tomtom's brain doesn't work well when it calculate the root.
I Have navtech for my ipaq, that's works so great. On the shift, even I have to buy a external battery pack or maybe SSD to extend battery life, I'm going to use navigation by microsoft on Vista for best result. cuz I'm use navigation for my job!
If before u buy tomtom, u should buy other one...

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=wOesPtnXP9o
Shift has a qualcomm 7200 inside and this is the same chip used by kaiser. This chip has gps inside, as you can see in documentation or in video. Once we can put wm6 full on it we wiil be able to install any navigator and make use ot if....

If the antenna is installed, that is....

I believe if you look at the exposed internal photos of the Shift on the FCC website, they clearly define a GPS antenna. I don't know that it means that it has GPS for sure but it points to that direction.

danielherrero said:
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=wOesPtnXP9o
Shift has a qualcomm 7200 inside and this is the same chip used by kaiser. This chip has gps inside, as you can see in documentation or in video. Once we can put wm6 full on it we wiil be able to install any navigator and make use ot if....
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I was under the impression the qualcom didnt make it to the final production model and that the Shift just has the one processor?

firedup said:
I was under the impression the qualcom didnt make it to the final production model and that the Shift just has the one processor?
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totally wrong impression
it has a full MSM7xxx inside

cmonex said:
totally wrong impression
it has a full MSM7xxx inside
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I cant see it mentioned in my documentation or on any of the UK websites selling it. Is this a deliberate omission to leave out the 2nd processor details?!? I've heard of them leaving out GPS functionality but the whole processor?

also had gps tools in the old test roms

firedup said:
I cant see it mentioned in my documentation or on any of the UK websites selling it. Is this a deliberate omission to leave out the 2nd processor details?!? I've heard of them leaving out GPS functionality but the whole processor?
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the ARM9 processor is just for the radio.
the ARM11 is the applications processor, i.e. for running WM and apps.
it's not dualcore in the sense an intel core 2 duo is.
edit: sorry i see now you meant the whole MSM is not mentioned. well that's easy to explain why... the WM6 side is supposed to be just a sideshow, so why mention the hardware specs for it.
it also has its own RAM, etc. etc.
if you heard of the dualcor prototype, well the HTC shift is like that. two full devices in one!

Anyone noticed there is a GPS section on the FAQ part of the HTC Shift site?
http://www.htc.com/www/Faq_detail.aspx?p_id=60&act=faq&cat=266

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yea i noticed that too.... what gives? if theres gps in here why the hell don't they let us use it!! I love HTC but i hate the fact that the always "disable" key hardware or features, If you don't want the device to have it, don't tease us by putting it in the first place!!

datacrime said:
yea i noticed that too.... what gives? if theres gps in here why the hell don't they let us use it!! I love HTC but i hate the fact that the always "disable" key hardware or features, If you don't want the device to have it, don't tease us by putting it in the first place!!
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Well... Maybe they leave this GPS option open incase something cookes his own rom and then the GPS function is enabled.
HTC will then have the option to release a rom with GPS otherwise no one wants to use their original rom!

here some info.....http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,46fcc9e9-26e8-4c40-b262-58a5366cb587.aspx
so let's investigate.....

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expansys shows two versions of the shift, one with gps and one without. I think that htc is planning to release a gps version too, which will probably cost more too

I figured it couldn't hurt try a couple things after reading all the posts in this thread.
This what I tried so far.
I installed google maps for WM6
I copied over Telenav folder from my X7501
I copied the following files from the Windows directory on my X7501 to the Window dir. on my Shift.
TeleNavPlug.dll
GPSAux.dll.0409.mui
GPSAux.dll
After resetting I now have
Under Settings > system the External GPS appplication.
Telenav that starts up and seem to work but cannot find the GPS
Google maps tht works but cannot find the GPS.
I tried abunch of combinations of com port, access setting, etc in the External GPS application. I tried all the ones that worked on my X7501 and few other that didn't but no luck.
When I changed the access setting in the external GPS application it dose change the messages I am getting from google maps. Google maps seems to think there is GPS there but never gets any sat locks or times out trying to initialize the GPS (depends on the settings). I am using the shift in the same place my X7501 gets several sat locks.
Dose anyone else have any ideas I can try or know of any file I missed?
I know should probably wait for people smarter than I am to work on this but I figured I would give it a try...

[REQ] Activating FM Transmitter & Full 802.11N Support

in the regestry edit you enter the section BCMSDDHD1 has any one noticed that the first 3 letters bcm reveals to the broadcom chip that exists in it as models from this company starts with 3 letters like (BCM4329)
and the only chip in this company that supports n wifi is the (BCM4329) that exists in the google nexus one and this chip supports fm transmition so
conclusion (if hd2 really supports wifi n type then it contains the only chip that supports it which is the BCM4329 that should support fm transmittence ) so if (wifi n) is really supported then the hd2 has a built in (fm transmitter hardware) that exists in the (BCM4329)chip so we hope to make an application to activate this option
correct me if iam wrong
what we have reached till now for developers
1.BLAST3RR have helped us with the datasheet in the attatchements for the broadcom chip
2. some tests are made to make sure that the hd2 has a really wifi n hardware and it seems that it supports it some what so we are some what sure that hd2 contains the BCM4329 chip as it is the only chip that supports wifi n type but we need live evidense
3. there are some pics of the internal components but it doesnot show the kind of the chip
4. xmoo posted a link to a cab that may help us in developing http://rapidshare.com/files/34053706...ebug_Tools.cab and here is the link of its thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5446085
5.BLAST3RR reached that hd2 definitely has an audio path to the TX part for the FM radio, as it is listed in the 'WceSetAudioDev'.
Among the options is a 'I2S TX'. I therefore assume this is the path needed to feed the transmitter audio
6.useful files are added in attatchements fmradiosdk.dll & htcfm.dill to help in development
what is missing us
1. we only miss drivers for now
thanks you all for your support
i have posted a post in windows software development forum to ask experts to help us this is the post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624822
updates
the hd2 is confirmed now to to have the bmc 4329 see this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624331 see the attatchements ​

Interesting..
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thanks for the support

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let's hope some of the professionals read this post and help us

please i don't want this post to die

Anything is (possible). But wouldn't the (HD2) need some kind of (transmission aerial) suitable for (FM)? And if it had that, then (HTC would have added the feature in the first place).
Why the weird brackets, by the way?

interesting

Good luck for the R&D guys to figure that out. Some mod should make this one sticky.

+1 here aswell

oooh yea, subscribing

elyl said:
Anything is (possible). But wouldn't the (HD2) need some kind of (transmission aerial) suitable for (FM)? And if it had that, then (HTC would have added the feature in the first place).
Why the weird brackets, by the way?
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the fm transmittance antenna is in the broadcom chip(BCM4329) it self as it is said to has two antennas see this http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4329
and rememper tp2 it has fm radio hardware but it was disabled until some developers enabled it by cab and disabeling wifi n in hd2 until a sutiable tweak to enable it (who knows why htc do things like this)

i hope this thread to be stickey as it will be ignored and we will never know the truth

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Very interesting indeed!

elyl said:
Anything is (possible). But wouldn't the (HD2) need some kind of (transmission aerial) suitable for (FM)? And if it had that, then (HTC would have added the feature in the first place).
Why the weird brackets, by the way?
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Even if this is the case, I think the same antenna would be used as for receiving FM radio (the headset). So still, no worries as far as the aerial concerns.
This would probably require a driver to work first, though. Then the second thing to find is an application to send audio to it/control frequencies.
Anyone who would be able to develop such application will definitely get a donation from me.

BLAST3RR said:
Even if this is the case, I think the same antenna would be used as for receiving FM radio (the headset). So still, no worries as far as the aerial concerns.
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but i think fm transmittance antenna is not the same as the fm reciver my frind has nokia n79 it needs headset to recive fm but it transmits without it
i think fm transmittence is direct from the chip as it has two antennas one for wifi and other for fm transmittence as i read before but reciving fm signals is through the headset as it needs longer antena

hoss_n2 said:
but i think fm transmittance antenna is not the same as the fm reciver my frind has nokia n79 it needs headset to recive fm but it transmits without it
i think fm transmittence is direct from the chip as it has two antennas one for wifi and other for fm transmittence as i read before but reciving fm signals is through the headset as it needs longer antena
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I know, but I was just stating that the aerial should therefore be no problem.
And that this would definitely be worth investigating.

When I had a Nokia N86 it had the FM transmitting aerial built into the battery cover.

BLAST3RR said:
I know, but I was just stating that the aerial should therefore be no problem.
And that this would definitely be worth investigating.
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sorry you are right the aerial is not the problem now

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[CLOSED] Cyanogenmod, Legend, FM Radio & MONEY [MODS PLEASE CLOSE THREAD]

Hey guys,
I was just thinking about that nasty little problem with cyanogenmod and our legends and since there was no meaningfull advencment, we could put some money on it. I think from 5 to 10€ for each doner would be enough or what do you think? Of course the developer has to give us an account to send the money to.
I would just like to use the FM radio and since it is working on desire for some time now, why not on legend.
So who is ready to do it?

would support that idea.

It is already stated waaaaaaaaaaayyyy before. The FM radio WILL NOT WORK on the Legend because of it's alien architecture. Don't ask me, I don't know ****. But if you're do want to make a donation then you can donate to Ali Ba which has been the sole reason CM is running on the Legend.

This is a good idea.
Sent from my Legend using XDA App

rajasyaitan said:
It is already stated waaaaaaaaaaayyyy before. The FM radio WILL NOT WORK on the Legend because of it's alien architecture. Don't ask me, I don't know ****. But if you're do want to make a donation then you can donate to Ali Ba which has been the sole reason CM is running on the Legend.
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here on this link http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/8260-fm-radio-support-for-legend/ ale baba himself says it is possible but that he hasn't got the time for it. So it is possible we just need someone who will do it. But first of all we need more people.

I'd consider doing development on this. I was wondering why there was no FM Radio app on CM7, LOL.
At the very least I can commit to finding all the info I can gather on this issue. I have no (satisfactory) employment at present and want to break into the Android specific field.
I have 14 years experience in embedded Linux development, including lots of low level kernel stuff. In a previous life (more decades ago than I dare admit) I did electronics engineering stuff, and I still love the low level nuts and bolts.
I'm pretty new to Android however, got my first cellphone (ever!) 17 days ago, first Android phone 15 days ago, and my Legend yesterday.
I think I can learn quick, I'm CM7 nightly, S-Off, new radio one day after getting it, LOL.
So my point is I, and this project, could use help in areas of Android specific knowledge.
Does anyone know if the normal FM radio app I've used before is proprietary Google code ?
Are there any generic FM radio apps that would work if standard drivers existed ?
My quick research on this is that only a driver might be needed. A V4L (video 4 linux) driver, which I have already had some experience with.
But there DOES seem to be a V4L driver already for Linux for the TI WL1273 chip apparently used in the Legend, and apparently a number of other phones. So in theory, this job might be as easy as integrating an already written driver in to the CM kernel, as a kernel module or 2. There MIGHT be some copyright issues with any chip firmware though.
Alas, some comments indicate using such a driver might interfere with Bluetooth functionality.
Interesting stuff about the 1273 chip is that it may support an FM transmitter, and it supposedly supports WiFi N. But who knows if needed hardware support might not be on the PCBs.

^ wow! where have you been all our android lives, bro? link on the post above yours answers some, if not of all, of your questions & covers a lot, i guess. cheers!

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^ wow! where have you been all our android lives, bro? link on the post above yours answers some, if not of all, of your questions & covers a lot, i guess. cheers!
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Cheers...
I've been reading that there IS an FM Radio app integrated into CM now. It comes from MIUI, a chinese group of some sort that also makes an Android ROM.
The app apparently uses /dev/radio* which is the standard V4L radio interface. I have these also on my Hauuppage PVR boards I used for HTPC before I went completely digital for movies, tv, etc.
So yes, what we need is integration of a driver into CM kernel, but coding may be needed to fix bluetooth driver interference etc. And of course who knows what else might be needed.
I'm reading that FM is much more important to those without data to stream. Not all of us live in wireless data dense cities and countries.
Would be interesting to see what frequency range can be received and maybe transmitted.
Would be MOST cool to stream from video camera to transmitter for local "pirate TV" type functionality, LOL. Actually can't imagine ATSC or even NTSC (or PAL etc.) encoding possible, but wireless streaming will do the job...

@mikereidis
Thanks for joining in, great highly appreciated. If there is any time left it would be nice if you could look into the GPS problem with CM 7 it is currently not addressed.
Anyhow thanks for your participation and contribution.
BR, ojessie

@mikereidis
So are you going to try and port it?? If you will and you'll succeded then you will be the legend in Legend community!
Sent from my Legend using XDA App

ojessie said:
@mikereidis
Thanks for joining in, great highly appreciated. If there is any time left it would be nice if you could look into the GPS problem with CM 7 it is currently not addressed.
Anyhow thanks for your participation and contribution.
BR, ojessie
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I can keep my eyes and ears open to GPS, but best to concentrate on one issue at a time.
What is the GPS issue ? I thought it didn't work on my phone after new ROM but within a few hours it was working OK for whatever reason. And now I see 2 metre accuracy compared to the minimum of 5 on my Optimus Chic.

qzem said:
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So are you going to try and port it??
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I'll do whatever it takes.
The userspace FM Radio app shouldn't need any porting work AFAIK. It seems to already be in CM 6.1 ROMs for the Nexus One (any others?). So I'd guess installation would just need to be enabled for other phones.
The tricky part is getting a device driver working that creates a /dev/radio interface for the MUIU FM radio app to use. There IS already a Linux driver for the WL 1273 the Legend uses, but it might need some modifications to run on the Legend.
But there is some complicating factor regarding bluetooth drivers, so it may not be too straight forward. For initial testing at least the bluetooth drivers could be disabled.

What about HTC's kernel source. As I told in cyanogenmod forum the drivers should already be in HTC's kernel source. If the code is there it should be easy to put it into CM7 kernel and use HTC's FM Radio app. Or what do you think?

mikereidis said:
I can keep my eyes and ears open to GPS, but best to concentrate on one issue at a time.
What is the GPS issue ? I thought it didn't work on my phone after new ROM but within a few hours it was working OK for whatever reason. And now I see 2 metre accuracy compared to the minimum of 5 on my Optimus Chic.
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Yeh, thats the problem. GPS is working on some devices and on others not and nobody knows why. As a matter of fact when I'm running CM 6.1 its working great. Flashing CM 7 no change to get it working. As mentioned others are reporting the same issue with CM 7 on some its working on others not.

ojessie said:
Yeh, thats the problem. GPS is working on some devices and on others not and nobody knows why. As a matter of fact when I'm running CM 6.1 its working great. Flashing CM 7 no change to get it working. As mentioned others are reporting the same issue with CM 7 on some its working on others not.
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When I get tired of Google maps seeming to take forever to figure out my GPS location, I've downloaded and run the "GPS Test" and "GPS Status" apps. I did so and for some time the status color on one of those showed yellow, meaning no GPS fix, but power on.
Anyway sometime later it was working. One of those apps downloaded data to make cold starts work faster and that may have helped. A few things to try for anyone interested anyway.

ponchofiesta said:
What about HTC's kernel source. As I told in cyanogenmod forum the drivers should already be in HTC's kernel source. If the code is there it should be easy to put it into CM7 kernel and use HTC's FM Radio app. Or what do you think?
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The problem with running the HTC FM radio app on CM is that it, like many other HTC apps, uses the HTC framework with Sense UI. So CM can't run it, although stock or modded Sense ROMs should be able to.
IMO right now the MIUI app is the way to go, and it's open source so anyone can modify/fork it.
Yeah I think a /dev/radio is likely in HTC source, but it's possible it's something different and/or kind of proprietary.
The Chip manufacturer, TI, and their partners who make RF modules based on the chips, DO have android /dev/radio drivers. So they are definitely out there somewhere.
I think, as usual that "In Theory" this should be a simple matter, in reality there is usually some problems to solve. Otherwise we'd have FM already in CM.

A few pointers:
TI 1273 has a few interfaces for communication. One of them being a (standard) serial via bluetooth, the other one I2C.
HTC did not use I2C because they already had to use the serial interface for bluetooth and it's a lot cheaper that way (that's what all manufacturers do, by the way). The wl1273 driver in the Linux kernel does have support for the FM capabilities, but unfortunately via I2C only.
So basically we already have all the drivers we need in place (tiwlan_drv, sdio), no kernel stuff needed. What's missing is valid documentation about how to enable radio, route it to the headphones, seek/tune, etc.
You could reverse engineer /system/bin/btipsd, which does bluetooth and FM communication in original HTC releases.
Once you are able to control FM stuff (with bluetooth turned on) write a nice summary and I'll ask cyanogen how to implement it. Won't be that hard, given the fact that currently all supported devices use the serial interface via bluetooth.

ali ba said:
The wl1273 driver in the Linux kernel does have support for the FM capabilities, but unfortunately via I2C only.
So basically we already have all the drivers we need in place (tiwlan_drv, sdio), no kernel stuff needed. What's missing is valid documentation about how to enable radio, route it to the headphones, seek/tune, etc.
You could reverse engineer /system/bin/btipsd, which does bluetooth and FM communication in original HTC releases.
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Thanks ali ba ! Yes I know about cheap manus, I've worked for a few, LOL. Linux VOIP and security appliances mostly though.
By "The wl1273 driver in the Linux kernel" do you mean the TI provided W1273 driver in the CM7 ROM ? I had thought that driver was for WiFi only, or perhaps WiFi + Bluethooth. Or does my seeing an rfkill device mean FM radio is in there too ? Would it create a /dev/radio device ? There are some FM init BTS files that may enable FM.
My understanding is that the WL1273 WiFi driver in the mainline Linux kernel (not the Android kernel) is WiFi only. There's a guy from Nokia trying to get WL1273 FM radio only driver into main Linux kernel but not there yet. That driver will be separate from WiFi driver even though they may both have WL1273 in the name.
I've been finding some HCI commands usable with hcitool to do audio routing stuff at least. RevEng has been a specialty of mine, so I think if it can be done, I have a good chance.

Quickest route to a working FM radio on Legend is to find an existing app for another phone that works.
Phones with the WL1271/1273/1281/1283 chips include original Moto Droid, Droid 2, Droid X, Motorai, Nokia N800 (or N900?), N8 (?), B&N Nook Color.
There's a thread here on XDA about Droid 2 phones using the Droid X FM radio app with success. I tried that app but there seems to be some problem launching the fmradioserver.
I saw a logcat message that may indicate I need to "adb install" the APKs instead of just copying them to /system/app. I tried but got the error that indicates the UID does not match the signature. I guess that's not an issue on Droid 2 (or motorola phones in general?)
Does anyone know if/how to mod/repack an APK to avoid the UID signature issue ?

A few more of my findings for anyone interested. BTW should I or someone create a thread in the dev section at this point ?
As mentioned above a guy from Nokia is trying to get a V4L2/dev/radio driver for WL1273 into mainline Linux kernel. That driver could be integrated into our kernel, but it might take a bit of work. And as mentioned that driver is not in kernel yet and may have lots of changes still coming in the next several months at least.
But TI also has a driver, and it's meant for Android. I haven't been able to grab source code for that driver yet. I think TI driver references WL1283, the biggest baddest version with GPS too. But driver is supposed to work on all 4 variants, down to WL1271.
TI has a command line app for testing fm radio, I think called fmapp if memory serves. It's possible this test app could at least help with exploration.
Unlike the poor original Droid owners, we are lucky that we know our FM receive antenna is connected, since stock Legend has FM radio. But there seems to be a different pin for FM transmit so it's possible we will never be able to transmit FM more than a few inches. But Tx would just be a bonus, but a potentially wonderful bonus.
And, ya know, I'm not even sure if MIUI FM app works with /dev/radio. I was looking at some source and it seems to be hardcoded with Broadcom chip specific stuff.
Oh, and my understanding is that even if we ever managed to get Wireless N working (with a new or improved stack perhaps?), that it will likely kill batteries quickly enough to be effectively unusable. Would be interesting though.

New Universal....Weird Rom

So i just got a brand spanking new universal with no branding for a whopping $30 + $5 shipping a really good deal. I turned it on and its splash screen said "not for sell or retail", no wifi in connections, and it has a beta wm5 rom on it...? Has anyone seen this before? I'm wondering if I should do a rom dump before i upgrade it, open it up to see what's different, or leave it alone since it's in such good condition. The person I bought it off of also has two left.
P/N:99HAU030-00 E
S/N:HT531DV00138

A new Uni! yeah!
I would probably make a dump ROM and start flashing immediately

May be you have some test device flash it with some good WM6.1 and use it

DebugTools
I found these apps in a folder debug:
Activesync2Qct
Activesync2WModem
BackupBatteryTool
BandSel
Battery_Test(RFP)
BlueChat2
BlueTest
BTR107
Btr110
ByteCounter
CPUFreq
CSDSetting
DBGMessageControl
DbgTerm
DebugPortSelect
DMRouter_MSM1_USB1
eMapiRouter
GXScrTest
M2Reg
mskFileSetting
mbattlife
NetSel
openqct
QXDMLog
QXDMLogSetting
RegisterEdit
RegistryEdit
SIM_Mgr
Stress_General_102
Stress_Option
SWR
test_cmnd_firmware
Uni_AT
vxFtp.ppc3_arm
vxUtil.ppc3_arm
WModem
WmodemX
xBBBL

I finally opened it up....everything was the same except that it has the antenna that people say is for gps.
I also found pics of what i was hoping was inside of mines.
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I have some questions about Unis with internal GPS... and a piece of text from some Slashdot user referring GPS-able Universals...
Some days ago I replied to a post on Slashdot and talked about my Uni. An user has replied to me saying that some Unis had internal GPS although his wasn't one of those (and none of the Unis I touched are). The reply from that user can be seen at http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2371828&cid=37041516
I thought the user was confusing with another mobile phone, or was completely wrong anyways, because I never had heard of such thing as internal GPS on Uni. But today, seeing this thread on this forum, I think I should investigate more on the subject - I'm so curious
Here are a few questions... is anyone able to answer them?
1. Have there ever been Universals (or beta/special versions of the hardware) which mainboards had a GPS antenna? Or all there is are rumours and an antenna that exists on some devices and nobody knows exactly what it's for?
2. If such hardware existed, has there been any ROM able to access the GPS receiver (e.g. that WM5 ROM that comes with notime's new Uni?)
3. If such hardware existed, was it ever available for acquisition by the general public at stores (online or not)? And how much units with GPS have been produced?
notime, by the way, have you flashed it with a newer/official ROM already? If yes, is wifi accessible from these "normal" ROMs? (because if it isn't, you might have in hands a very special Universal without Wifi card but with a unknown antenna)

No Uni's were ever produced (for the public) with GPS. However, there is space on the board for a GPS chip - it has never been noted that anyone has been able to do anything with this (at least no one here on XDA-devs and a couple of other forums that I had scanned). It may be possible that a mock-up was made by HTC to make use of this GPS on a Uni, however if there are any, there would be only a few devices and I have certainly never heard of any. So AFAIK all Uni's need an external GPS. The hardware just isn't there. Sorry.