in the regestry edit you enter the section BCMSDDHD1 has any one noticed that the first 3 letters bcm reveals to the broadcom chip that exists in it as models from this company starts with 3 letters like (BCM4329)
and the only chip in this company that supports n wifi is the (BCM4329) that exists in the google nexus one and this chip supports fm transmition so
conclusion (if hd2 really supports wifi n type then it contains the only chip that supports it which is the BCM4329 that should support fm transmittence ) so if (wifi n) is really supported then the hd2 has a built in (fm transmitter hardware) that exists in the (BCM4329)chip so we hope to make an application to activate this option
correct me if iam wrong
what we have reached till now for developers
1.BLAST3RR have helped us with the datasheet in the attatchements for the broadcom chip
2. some tests are made to make sure that the hd2 has a really wifi n hardware and it seems that it supports it some what so we are some what sure that hd2 contains the BCM4329 chip as it is the only chip that supports wifi n type but we need live evidense
3. there are some pics of the internal components but it doesnot show the kind of the chip
4. xmoo posted a link to a cab that may help us in developing http://rapidshare.com/files/34053706...ebug_Tools.cab and here is the link of its thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5446085
5.BLAST3RR reached that hd2 definitely has an audio path to the TX part for the FM radio, as it is listed in the 'WceSetAudioDev'.
Among the options is a 'I2S TX'. I therefore assume this is the path needed to feed the transmitter audio
6.useful files are added in attatchements fmradiosdk.dll & htcfm.dill to help in development
what is missing us
1. we only miss drivers for now
thanks you all for your support
i have posted a post in windows software development forum to ask experts to help us this is the post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624822
updates
the hd2 is confirmed now to to have the bmc 4329 see this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624331 see the attatchements
Interesting..
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thanks for the support
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let's hope some of the professionals read this post and help us
please i don't want this post to die
Anything is (possible). But wouldn't the (HD2) need some kind of (transmission aerial) suitable for (FM)? And if it had that, then (HTC would have added the feature in the first place).
Why the weird brackets, by the way?
interesting
Good luck for the R&D guys to figure that out. Some mod should make this one sticky.
+1 here aswell
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Anything is (possible). But wouldn't the (HD2) need some kind of (transmission aerial) suitable for (FM)? And if it had that, then (HTC would have added the feature in the first place).
Why the weird brackets, by the way?
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the fm transmittance antenna is in the broadcom chip(BCM4329) it self as it is said to has two antennas see this http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4329
and rememper tp2 it has fm radio hardware but it was disabled until some developers enabled it by cab and disabeling wifi n in hd2 until a sutiable tweak to enable it (who knows why htc do things like this)
i hope this thread to be stickey as it will be ignored and we will never know the truth
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Very interesting indeed!
elyl said:
Anything is (possible). But wouldn't the (HD2) need some kind of (transmission aerial) suitable for (FM)? And if it had that, then (HTC would have added the feature in the first place).
Why the weird brackets, by the way?
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Even if this is the case, I think the same antenna would be used as for receiving FM radio (the headset). So still, no worries as far as the aerial concerns.
This would probably require a driver to work first, though. Then the second thing to find is an application to send audio to it/control frequencies.
Anyone who would be able to develop such application will definitely get a donation from me.
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Even if this is the case, I think the same antenna would be used as for receiving FM radio (the headset). So still, no worries as far as the aerial concerns.
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but i think fm transmittance antenna is not the same as the fm reciver my frind has nokia n79 it needs headset to recive fm but it transmits without it
i think fm transmittence is direct from the chip as it has two antennas one for wifi and other for fm transmittence as i read before but reciving fm signals is through the headset as it needs longer antena
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but i think fm transmittance antenna is not the same as the fm reciver my frind has nokia n79 it needs headset to recive fm but it transmits without it
i think fm transmittence is direct from the chip as it has two antennas one for wifi and other for fm transmittence as i read before but reciving fm signals is through the headset as it needs longer antena
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I know, but I was just stating that the aerial should therefore be no problem.
And that this would definitely be worth investigating.
When I had a Nokia N86 it had the FM transmitting aerial built into the battery cover.
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I know, but I was just stating that the aerial should therefore be no problem.
And that this would definitely be worth investigating.
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sorry you are right the aerial is not the problem now
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Hello everyone,
Hope all is fine with each & everyone of you.
I have a question that I need to ask (especially for those who live in the US of A) or those who are very tech savvy with in depth understanding of HTC devices hardware, if any of you had tried this item (or can try it & confirm)
http://www.gomogear.com/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=214620
It would be really cool to have an FM Radio in our (at least my ) PPC
It uses the SDIO technology, I dont know if its supported by Universal but as you can see in this table
http://www.gomogear.com/genDocs/SDFM2updatedCompatibilityList.html
They do NOT list any Universal device, but again if you see the bottom of the main page, it reads Copyright © 2005 GoMoGear.com
which means they do NOT update their site as often as they should, so maybe...
I hope to hear the good news soon, of course if you happen to know an alternative for this gadget, please let us (me) know
Thank you & have a nice weekend.
i don't know about radio, but i use sling media and watch my tv all the time. there is a setting that you can choose the uses audio only as well
Well one can use Nokia HS 12w BT headset for FM...I am using & its amazing...
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i don't know about radio, but i use sling media and watch my tv all the time. there is a setting that you can choose the uses audio only as well
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Hello Dean,
Well for a start I thought (Sling Media) was some GPRS service or 3G feature that your network operates, I did some search and I found out that this is a device you have to install somewhere & then have internet connection to be able to receive it's signal wherever you are, I like the idea, but this is not what I meant with the original post, this mean you has to have whole lot of equipments (TV, cable, satellite, etc..) somewhere (home or office).
The thing I referred to in the original post is a SDIO card, same as SD that we use for storage on our Universals, but these comes with built in IO (Input/Output) features, check this out for more details
http://www.sdcard.org/sdio/index.html
I found a product that provides FM tuner in an SDIO card, but they do not list Universal as a compatible device, not because its not (I think) but because they have not tried it it, as it is (the SDIO) compatible with previous HTC models.
I hope someone can confirm
Have a nice weekend
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Well one can use Nokia HS 12w BT headset for FM...I am using & its amazing...
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Well I didnt know Nokia HS 12w BT has built-in FM tuner, which is cool if it is, but I do already have a Motorola BT HT820 headset.
By the way, although Nokia headset are supposed to be wireless, the real thing is that they do have wires (Motorola HT850 is really wireless), but again this is not what we are talking about here, its the FM on Universal.
Thank you for your idea though mate!
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HS 12w has builtin FM TUner....
Can't comment on the one you're asking about but the link below has one that I can guarantee does work as I have one. http://www.c-guysusa.com/
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Can't comment on the one you're asking about but the link below has one that I can guarantee does work as I have one. http://www.c-guysusa.com/
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Does it work with Universal even if it is not listed?!
I read the compatibility page and something tells me that it IS the same device, as they both have SAME listed phones the SAME way, anyways I don't care what is the brand on it as long as it is working, so can you please confirm it is working with Universal?
Did you have any problem installing the software?
Thanks Mate & I hope you had a nice weekend!
Cheers
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HS 12w has builtin FM TUner....
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Cool! I will consider it for sure
Thanx!
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Lakota said:
Can't comment on the one you're asking about but the link below has one that I can guarantee does work as I have one. http://www.c-guysusa.com/
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Does it work with Universal even if it is not listed?!
I read the compatibility page and something tells me that it IS the same device, as they both have SAME listed phones the SAME way, anyways I don't care what is the brand on it as long as it is working, so can you please confirm it is working with Universal?
Did you have any problem installing the software?
Thanks Mate & I hope you had a nice weekend!
Cheers
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Indeed I can confirm it works even though it's not listed. I had no trouble installing the software but the user interface is quite basic and not much to look at.
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Indeed I can confirm it works even though it's not listed. I had no trouble installing the software but the user interface is quite basic and not much to look at.[/quote]
Thanks Mate!
This is what I needed to hear.
All the best!
Cheers
is their a way to transmit audio from the hd2 to a device via fm waves?
DAMIEN123_666 said:
is their a way to transmit audio from the hd2 to a device via fm waves?
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Although it appears that the HD2 is capable of FM transmission, it is not activated. There is a long discussion about the FM transmitter here:
forum,xda-developers,com/showthread.php?t=622377
(I can't post links... just change the commas to dots)
yeah, seems like we need a driver written for it. No other wm phones have this particular Broadcom chip.
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yeah, seems like we need a driver written for it. No other wm phones have this particular Broadcom chip.
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That'd be fantastic!
@op, as nothing's available now, you might be interested in one of the many 3.5mm FM transmitters available at www.dealextreme.com or on ebay. Obviously they need a power source (usually 12v car port, USB or AAA batteries).
Hope that helps.
You can also get bluetooth adapters with built in FM transmitters that will enable hands free for car use. Very handy!
I was trying to do a little research in to if I could get the FM transmitter/reciever to work or if it would be even possible. A little google searching around I found this. And the person who had been doing the most work on that part of android was an actual broadcom employee. So I sent him a quick, polite email asking him about FM support in the Nexus one. It is as follows:
"Mr. Harte,
I noticed your commits here. Will Broadcom provide support/drivers for the FM transmitter/receiver in the Nexus One and other Android devices?
Sincerely,
Will"
And his surprisingly helpful and quick response:
"Hello,
The FM receiver is supported in the HTC Incredible and HTC EVO 4G. I’m not sure if the Nexus One hardware supports FM. The 4329 chip has FM, but I don’t know if the external components required for the FM Antenna are populated on the board. I believe there is also some work needed in the kernel to enable the audio path for FM, but if/when HTC open-sources the kernel for the EVO or Incredible, this should be evident. Also, the EVO and Incredible use the Broadcom Bluetooth stack, while the Nexus One uses BlueZ. I don’t think there is any support in BlueZ for FM. I have no idea about FM Transmit, but I would highly doubt it is possible to get that to work…
-Howard"
That makes me sad but at least now I know. Hopefully though this will provide some light to any crafty developers interested tinkering with this.
Shorthand.
Even if the hardware says fm/transmit/receive, we would have to solder, replace the bluetooth stack, and possibly replace the chip firmware to get it to work.
Short, short hand.. NO FM on nexus one.
No really, somehow he neglected to mention the sister Desire.
Regarding the antenna portion, it's been proven that the nexus can find stations. . .just not output any sound from them.
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Regarding the antenna portion, it's been proven that the nexus can find stations. . .just not output any sound from them.
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I do remember reading about that. Can you find the source? If thats true, then we know the only problem is the stack.
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I do remember reading about that. Can you find the source? If thats true, then we know the only problem is the stack.
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Check the notes from Modaco's Desire ROM port. I think it's there. But since FM radio is analog, there may be a lot more to it than a stack.
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Check the notes from Modaco's Desire ROM port. I think it's there. But since FM radio is analog, there may be a lot more to it than a stack.
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Yup, his bluetooth doesn't work because he is using the Nexus One kernel. Well, we now know what part of the kernel isn't allowing the bluetooth to work; Bluez vs the Broadcom Stack. I don't know the legal implications of using it, but it seems like it would be possible.
Devastatin said:
Shorthand.
Even if the hardware says fm/transmit/receive, we would have to solder, replace the bluetooth stack, and possibly replace the chip firmware to get it to work.
Short, short hand.. NO FM on nexus one.
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Patently FALSE.
All we need is a kernel with FM support and the FM driver. Receive is definitely possible.
I do believe however that the power amplifier chips for transmitting are absent, so that won't be a possibility.
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Yup, his bluetooth doesn't work because he is using the Nexus One kernel. Well, we now know what part of the kernel isn't allowing the bluetooth to work; Bluez vs the Broadcom Stack. I don't know the legal implications of using it, but it seems like it would be possible.
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Getting an analog tuner that isn't connected to anything to tune is not much help. I don't care what software you write, if there is no output to be captured, it's not going to happen. It's like a cable box with no television connection. It tunes just fine. If the rest of the connecting hardware is there, then there's a shot. But Google has never said there would be FM in the Nexus One at any point. I am less than optimistic.
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Patently FALSE.
All we need is a kernel with FM support and the FM driver. Receive is definitely possible.
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That still has not been determined.
or you can go to your favorite radio station's website and click on "listen in" or whatever and now your listening to FM on your phone. =D
or maybe not, thats how it works on my pc..
i dont understand what the bluetooth has anything to do with this? why does it matter the blueZ vs broadcom bluetooth hardware? it sounds like the fm radio portion is there and can even pick up stations with an antenna, just routing the audio. but that doesnt need to happen thru bluetooh, it could happen through the headset or loudspeaker.
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i dont understand what the bluetooth has anything to do with this? why does it matter the blueZ vs broadcom bluetooth hardware? it sounds like the fm radio portion is there and can even pick up stations with an antenna, just routing the audio. but that doesnt need to happen thru bluetooh, it could happen through the headset or loudspeaker.
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The Broadcom BCM4329EKUBG has all of these functions built in. FM, 802.11, bluetooth.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM4329
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i dont understand what the bluetooth has anything to do with this? why does it matter the blueZ vs broadcom bluetooth hardware? it sounds like the fm radio portion is there and can even pick up stations with an antenna, just routing the audio. but that doesnt need to happen thru bluetooh, it could happen through the headset or loudspeaker.
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The bluetooth/fm/wifi are all on one chipset.
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or you can go to your favorite radio station's website and click on "listen in" or whatever and now your listening to FM on your phone. =D
or maybe not, thats how it works on my pc..
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For the most part yes (esp. with those of us with froyo and flas ). But what made me start searching for this was a tornado that past by me by only a few miles. I luckily was in the car and able to tune in to a station broadcasting the Emergency Broadcasting Systems's message, but I thought it would be nice to be able to do that on my phone.
RogerPodacter said:
i dont understand what the bluetooth has anything to do with this? why does it matter the blueZ vs broadcom bluetooth hardware? it sounds like the fm radio portion is there and can even pick up stations with an antenna, just routing the audio. but that doesnt need to happen thru bluetooh, it could happen through the headset or loudspeaker.
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Integrated circuits perform multiple functions. That broadcom chip could do a lot more than blue tooth. FM is analog. If all you have is the tuner and there is no connecting hardware, then yeah, you receive a signal, but it's going nowhere. If you can't capture the output, you can't use it. Do we know if the FM radio signal in the Desire is ever digitized? It could work like a regular FM radio and the digital/software part is for tuning purposes only and radio itself is analog. I read somewhere is that the HTC FM radios require wired headset use - and don't play back through blue tooth. Irony there, I think. Speculation is that is because they are used for an antenna, but I think it could also be that it's because it's an analog output. I am guessing the N1 is missing all the required circuits - except the tuner.
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Integrated circuits perform multiple functions. That broadcom chip could do a lot more than blue tooth. FM is analog. If all you have is the tuner and there is no connecting hardware, then yeah, you receive a signal, but it's going nowhere. If you can't capture the output, you can't use it. Do we know if the FM radio signal in the Desire is ever digitized? It could work like a regular FM radio and the digital/software part is for tuning purposes only and radio itself is analog. I read somewhere is that the HTC FM radios require wired headset use - and don't play back through blue tooth. Irony there, I think. Speculation is that is because they are used for an antenna, but I think it could also be that it's because it's an analog output. I am guessing the N1 is missing all the required circuits - except the tuner.
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This is true of the Touch Pro hardware at least. The FM Radio wouldn't function with out the headphones plugged in. It used the headphone wire as the antenna.
there is a great thread going in the nexus development area where some people are trying to write the kernel so that the sound has an output. It sounds like they are making great progress maybe anyone reading this thread who has some technical skills can help. I believe they too have been able to tune the phone to a station but not output the sound yet.
It seems to me we need definitive answers to the following 2 questions from HTC / Google ...
Q1. Does the nexus one have the necessary hardware and interconnections for FM radio reception and output through either the speaker or headphones. YES/NO?
Q2. Does the nexus one have the necessary hardware and interconnections for FM radio transmission of any type (music / voice). YES/NO?
If both answers are a definitive NO, we can move on. If there is a YES then the clever people here, who make the magic happen, have some hope of success.
Does anyone know the correct ppl at HTC / Google to ask these questions of?
I don’t have anything to add but would like to encourage you guys in your endeavour to get FM radio working on the N1 and also point you too or remind you what androidpolice reported at Google I/O
If this is true then perhaps all the building blocks are in place.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...nity-as-our-best-bet-post-google-io-coverage/
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It seems to me we need definitive answers to the following 2 questions from HTC / Google ...
Q1. Does the nexus one have the necessary hardware and interconnections for FM radio reception and output through either the speaker or headphones. YES/NO?
Q2. Does the nexus one have the necessary hardware and interconnections for FM radio transmission of any type (music / voice). YES/NO?
If both answers are a definitive NO, we can move on. If there is a YES then the clever people here, who make the magic happen, have some hope of success.
Does anyone know the correct ppl at HTC / Google to ask these questions of?
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Or maybe we just need to think and use the info that we have in other threads on the subject. But I'll repeat things written in another thread, by myself and other guys:
Q1. Broadcom chip brief (the best doc available for it on the net) clearly shows the radio having no separate connections but using BT's high speed UART and I2C. The interconnects are the same, and since Paul's Desire port has radio control working - that means I2C is working too, so the answer is YES.
Q2. The stated output power of the chip is good enough for short-range transmission w/o a dedicated antenna, using headphone cord. The control and data are given in the same way as in Q1. So, the answer is YES again, but with more trouble - while there is a working device utilizing FM receiver functionality, which can at least theoretically be ported completely using its source, there is no device with FM transmitter, which means - if someone wants to use transmitter, that someone needs to acquire specific Broadcom documents for the chip.
So I guess the thread can be laid to rest, and anyone that can really help - for example, to go over Desire source and figure out the correct setting for QSD UART to receive FM audio and the procedures to stream it to the speaker - are welcome to head over to Dev section.
I think we have a chance to activate the FM transmitter in our phones..
At least we should give a shot?
The BCM4329 has FM Tx & Rx abilities. The Rx part is not used, but maybe we can use the Tx part?
Unfortunately, google doesn't help a lot.
I know that our galaxy S i9000 uses a Si4709 chip for the FM reception, so that's not good for the transmit part.
does somebody have any useful info about this?
i would definitely do everything i could to make this work. this should be the biggest hit feature...
this is a problem for me too.... amy someone helps us...
That was discussed a long time ago without any progress.
Apparently we can't use the FM transmitter if there is one inside SGS
why can't we? what does stops the devs?
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First it's not easy without manufacturer's cooperation to have access to the chips and phone documentation, so how to create the drivers drivers ...
Secondly don't even know if physically it could work (for example the transmitter would need a antenna...).
i think the problem was no connection of some pins of whatever - use search option
the antenna issue i think it's not the most problem, I think the not connected pins is more complicated if that is true.
FM transmitter could be nice, but like it seems Samsung probably didn't connect the relevant pins for transmitting audio.
Dear friends,
I had read in some threads about the existence of the BCM4329 inside the HD2, that it makes FM receiver AND TRANSMITTER options possible.
So, I was wondering about the chance of having FM transmissions possible, if things had progressed with the years (those news are from 2010, still focused on WM6.5), also thanks to the existence of very updated versions of Android, although it seems to me that nowadays an FM API is still not available to us.
Thank you.
What are you talking about? Where did you search for this? As a Google search you are Fired!
Just instal Spirit FM and you are ready to use FM Radio on your magnificent HD2. Plug the Headphones which are needed as antenna. Also the Radio will turn on Bluetooth because the chip to run FM radio is implemented into it.
Have Fun.
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What are you talking about? Where did you search for this? As a Google search you are Fired!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622377
The only thing that I would like to add is that one of attached file is not exactly a datasheet but a simple brochure, at least in my opinion...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622377
The only thing that I would like to add is that one of attached file is not exactly a datasheet but a simple brochure, at least in my opinion...
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What is your point? I got HTC HD2 and I use Spirit and everything working fine. Where is your problem? Maybe you have the wrong Rom installed. I know someone complain with some rom but the hardware it's the same.
BTW, what FW trasmissions for?
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Dear friends,
I had read in some threads about the existence of the BCM4329 inside the HD2, that it makes FM receiver AND TRANSMITTER options possible.
So, I was wondering about the chance of having FM transmissions possible, if things had progressed with the years (those news are from 2010, still focused on WM6.5), also thanks to the existence of very updated versions of Android, although it seems to me that nowadays an FM API is still not available to us.
Thank you.
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Unfortunately, there hasn't been much progress on that field (as a matter of fact, there hasn't been any progress at all). If you read the replies in that thread, they couldn't make it work. The furthest the could get is to confirm that the HD2 indeed does have the chip.
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What is your point? I got HTC HD2 and I use Spirit and everything working fine. Where is your problem? Maybe you have the wrong Rom installed. I know someone complain with some rom but the hardware it's the same.
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He isn't talking about the radio receiver, he's talking about a radio transmitter. E.g. You run a special app, ask the app to transmit a song using radio. And then you can listen to that song, say, in a car using the radio. No wires/bluetooth connection needed. Simply tune in and listen. I really wished they did it.. what a pity.
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He isn't talking about the radio receiver, he's talking about a radio transmitter. E.g. You run a special app, ask the app to transmit a song using radio. And then you can listen to that song, say, in a car using the radio. No wires/bluetooth connection needed. Simply tune in and listen. I really wished they did it.. what a pity.
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Yeah, I figure out this at the end, my bad. :angel:
It will be a good option but the radio receiver will have to tune to a specific frequency and this part I think will be the issue here. In terms of words so simply but unconventional.
I think they don't do that for a national security.